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Christine Sirette: What do you think so far about the ones that you have tried with this new ingredient? I think it's sunscreen and I'm excited it exists. I'm Christine Sirette. I'm Kyra Blackwell and you're listening to the Wire Cutter Show. Kyra, we are hitting one of our favorite topics. You and my favorite topic today.

Kyra Blackwell: Oh, sunscreen.

Christine Sirette: Sunscreen. I think that people who listen to this show regularly absolutely know that they should be wearing sunscreen in the winter, don't you think?

Kyra Blackwell: Yeah, 100%.

Christine Sirette: But I think a lot of people maybe know this, but they don't do it.

Kyra Blackwell: It's hard because especially when it gets colder, you're like, I'm not really spending that much time outside. Like why add that extra step to my routine if I can skip it?

Christine Sirette: Okay. You actually tested and reviewed sunscreen for wire cutter for a long time. Tell me why. Why should the people be wearing sunscreen in the winter?

Kyra Blackwell: Well, for vanity reasons first. It still protects you from the sun. You'd be surprised. In the winter time, any parts of your skin that are exposed to the sun are still being affected. So, it's just good hygiene to continue wearing your sunscreen all year round.

Christine Sirette: All year round. Okay. Well, we have done an episode on sunscreen before. We have maybe the best person to talk about this on the show today. We're going to bring back Nancy Red. She is a health reporter on our health team and she has reviewed so many different types of sunscreen and she's going to really cover what it is about face sunscreen that you need to know because you can go back and listen to the old episode we did with her on on body sunscreen, but there are some things that are different about facial sunscreens in particular that you might want to know in order to get one that you really like. That's right. So after the break, we'll be back with Nancy Red to talk all about her favorite facial sunscreens.

Christine Sirette: And listeners, we also want to hear from you for another episode we're working on. We are collecting stories of household debates. What is the thing that you and your partner or roommate disagree on? We will bring Wire Cutter experts on to settle the score once and for all. Send a description of your irksome debates to the Wire Cutter Show at wirecutter.com. Okay, we'll be right back with Nancy. Welcome back. With us now is Nancy Red, who covers health and personal care at Wire Cutter. She's joined us before to talk about body sunscreens, toothbrushes, and light therapy lamps. And she's also a New York Times bestselling health author. and she recently published her latest book for teens. It's called The Real Body Manual, your visual guide to health and wellness. Nancy has been covering sunscreens at Wire Cutter for over 6 years. Nancy, welcome back to the show. Thank you. I love being here. You guys are the best and this is so much fun. It's one of my favorite topics to talk about.

Nancy Redd: Well, I got to say, first of all, that I'm very jealous because you and Kyra are in the same room today and I am in New York. So, you guys are in LA today and I'm all the way across the country and I'm deeply deeply jealous because I would rather be in LA right now.

Kyra Blackwell: The vibes are immaculate in here.

Christine Sirette: The vibes are vibing.

Nancy Redd: The vibes also seem better for talking about sunscreen. That just seems like where you should be wearing sunscreen is LA. Am I right?

Christine Sirette: Well, you should be wearing sunscreen everywhere. Were you trying to trick me, CCC? Because you of all people know sunscreen is around the year.

Nancy Redd: I know I'm being very koi because you you know that I wear sunscreen like to bed. So, we already talked to you about body sunscreens last year, and we thought it would be fun for you to quiz us to see how much Kyra and I remember from that last conversation. So, are you ready to give us a true or false quiz? I am absolutely ready to give you a true or false quiz. Okay, so true or false. Step one, I'm going to give you an easy one to begin with. SPF stands for sun protection factor.

Kyra Blackwell: True. I'm going to say true. Yeah.

Nancy Redd: Yes. Okay. sun protection factor. And the number actually tells you when you have like an SPF 10 or 15 or 30 or 90 or whatever, it tells you how well the sunscreen's protecting against UVB rays. And do you remember our trick from last time? What does the A in UVA stand for? And what does the B for UVB stand for? Do you remember what the A is, Kyra?

Kyra Blackwell: Not a fill-in- thelank question. That's I can't remember. I remember the A stands for aging.

Nancy Redd: Okay?

Nancy Redd: And the B is for burning. So both UVA and UVB rays can damage your skin. SPF is about will it burn your skin and cause medical issues hypothetically down the road.

Christine Sirette: Yeah. Okay. All right. Broadspectctrum sunscreen only protects against UVA rays. True or false?

Kyra Blackwell: False.

Christine Sirette: That's right. Right.

Kyra Blackwell: Broad because it's covering aging and burning, right?

Nancy Redd: Ho, look at you.

Nancy Redd: Ding, ding, ding. Yes. Even though SPF is only talking about UVB rays, when you see a sunscreen that is marketed as broadsp spectrum, it protects both against UVA and UVB rays, which is what you want.

Kyra Blackwell: Got it.

Nancy Redd: Okay. The minimum SPF recommended by dermatologists is 30.

Christine Sirette: True.

Kyra Blackwell: True.

Nancy Redd: Correct. I'm happy that you remember our previous conversation and hopefully you playing along at home. Also remember that in our previous conversation about sunscreen in general, SPF 30 or higher and broadsp spectrum are the big two that dermatologists recommend. All right, this is a tricky one. The higher the SPF, the longer you can go without reapplying sunscreen. True or false? False.

Nancy Redd: Generally speaking, SPF doesn't have anything to do with reapplication. The reapplication directions are on the bottle every 2 hours or 80 minutes or after heavy sweating, toweling off, uh where whatever your activities are, use your best judgment. Got it. Okay. True or false? Mineral sunscreens and chemical sunscreens work in fundamentally different ways. True. Yes. Okay. Chemical sunscreens contain active ingredients that absorb UV light and mineral sunscreens reflect UV rays. So when you talk about the mineral sunscreen, it's more often that it has the quote unquote bite cast. Uh because it is acting like a like a little shield. So if you want to know the difference between what is a mineral sunscreen and what is a chemical sunscreen, you just flip the bottle over and you look at the active ingredients. If you see zinc oxide, titanium dioxide, or both, that's a mineral sunscreen. And if you see other sunscreen activives, that is a chemical sunscreen. So the active ingredients will tell you what you're actually getting

Kyra Blackwell: and they're both equally effective.

Nancy Redd: Yeah. I mean it just depends on what you personally want in your personal values and also how interested you are in a cosmetically elegant product

Nancy Redd: because the mineral sunscreens do tend to often leave like a a kind of like a pasty or ashy look because they are acting as that shield. Yes. If there's one thing I have learned in almost seven years of sunscreen testing with hundreds of faces, because everyone's skin is so different, all sunscreens operate in such different ways. You some people have really dry skin and they love a mineral sunscreen because it's it's just basically like an emoleant. It's like a moisturizing goodness. Uh whereas other people can't stand certain chemical sunscreens because it feels like an oil slick because they are like makeup primer. So every face, every body is different, but generally speaking, minerals are heavier and less cosmetically elegant, but not our picks. Nancy, you mentioned in your guide that body sunscreen is perfectly fine to use for your face. And if that's true, why would somebody consider buying a whole separate sunscreen just for their face? All sunscreen can be used everywhere. Sunscreen is interchangeable. Baby sunscreen can be used by adults. Kids sunscreen can be used by adults. Kids sunscreen can be used by babies. Adult sunscreen can be used by babies. Though sometimes it contains fragrances that people just want to avoid putting on a baby's skin. And the same goes for body and face, right? They're interchangeable. The difference is your arm generally speaking is less picky about the type of lotion or emollient or sunscreen that you put on it. Whereas with your face, you're sweating more. It's visible. It often has a layer of makeup or something else that can interact with the sunscreen. Which is why face sunscreen tends to be so much more expensive than body sunscreen because it is formulated differently with a lot of stuff. Body sunscreens tend to be more heavily fragranced. They tend to not utilize the more expensive, elegant ingredients because that's what jacks the prices up. We have body sunscreens that we find to be very comfortable on the face. Even though they are fragranced, people tend to like them for all over. Let's say it's winter, you're wearing literally gloves, coat, pants, boots, but your face is uncovered. How much sunscreen do you apply there? That's usually when you have a a quarter of a teaspoon, okay? Uh that you need. No one's standing there. I mean, I have no one's standing there with a little measuring device. But do not think in winter that you do not need to cover your little face because ironically, the sun rays glare. You know, you've all been in the snow and

Christine Sirette: I don't believe you guys have. I believe you're just living in a beautiful world in LA. And this

Kyra Blackwell: Well, I am from southern Virginia and we did get our snow days in the in my youth. So, I've been there and have been blinded by the sun and the snow.

Christine Sirette: Something else that can also be confusing is face sunscreen and makeup. But sometimes that makeup will have SPF already built into it. So, do you still need a separate sunscreen if that's the case? So, there's so many layers, no pun intended, to this. But one of the cool things about makeup is that the iron oxides that make makeup makeup is a is a type of sun protection that really prevents hyperpigmentation and a lot of issues that people with easily marked skin deal with. But the problem with makeup with SPF or tinted moisturizer or whatever nomenclature you want to use for that is it's a perfect extra protection. But as a primary sunscreen for someone who goes into the world, again, if you're like an office cave dweller, you don't have to worry about this as much. But if you're in a city, if you go out for lunch, right, and you're in the sun, you want to have a base of a primary face sunscreen because in order to get the SPF protection that is recommended, you're not going to be able to put on enough tinted moisturizer or makeup with SPF because it'll be cakey. No one wants to spackle on a/4 teaspoon of foundation on their face, which is why we recommend a nice lightweight dedicated sunscreen on your face, let that soak in, and then the SPF in makeup or tinted moisturizer as a bonus. So, just to be extra clear, when you're doing your skin care and then you're doing your makeup, is the correct order, your moisturizer, which is usually like my last step in my skincare routine, then your SPF, and then your makeup. Yeah. So, if you use that moisturizer, that goes first and then your basic sunscreen and then let that absorb for a little bit because you don't want peeling, which is when you know things start rolling

Kyra Blackwell: because if you're spending this much money on a facial sunscreen,

Nancy Redd: hopefully it becomes an integral part of your skincare routine without peeling or flaking or creating patches. And that's because you want it to be like paint. You want a good even coat. You want to let it set before you add another coat. And that final coat if desired will be a tinted moisturizer or makeup with SPF. I want to talk a little bit about the testing. Who has tested the face sunscreens for us? I'm assuming it's going to be like a broad category of people like people of different skin tones and different skin issues and stuff, but I I want to hear more.

Nancy Redd: Many many people of many types have received my delightful boxes of mystery sunscreens. We conceal all the brands. We make sure that they are tested by all kinds of people. Cyro is asking, "I have a sunscreen I'm working on right now. It's very exciting." She's like, "Did you bring it?" I was like, "I did not bring it because this sunscreen, it's it's not worth it's not worthy of your beautiful skin." Uh, I'm very particular about what makes it to panel to make sure that I'm not wasting anyone's time and that we're doing justice to the types of people, the many types of people who need to wear sunscreen, which is everybody. Uh, and so we're very careful to have different ages, different people with different types of facial hair, people who is sunscreen and that's it, or people like Kyra who have 15,000 steps to their routine and different ages. Do you have creases between your ear and your eye that need to not have product layered in them? And then we conceal all the brands. I have this sunscreen I love including in my mystery sunscreen panels because it's from Walmart. And every time I do it concealed, everyone's like, "Oh, this must be the insert expensive brand." And I was like I'm just like, "Well, what is your take on it?" Like, "I love this. I love this." I'm like, "What if I told you it's 37 cents an ounce? You need to reveal this sunscreen, but not until the end of this episode so that we make sure everyone listens to the very last second.

Nancy Redd: No, no, to be fair, it's not my favorite for face. Okay, but we but it is anybody wearing face sunscreen needs body sunscreen, too. And I implore everyone to give this one a shot. We will talk about it at the end, but it's really fun cuz everyone's basically evaluating with no idea of brand name or cost, how easily it rubs in, how it feels, how it smells, how well it blends into their skin, does it peel, and also most importantly, how does it wear throughout the day? I need people in the field. Some of the final contenders, a couple of people with facial hair were going to a big trade show that was outdoors. There's like, can I take these with me and test them literally in literally in the field? And that really helped solidify our new pics because people with facial hair and people without facial hair, people who did not have hair on top of their head, loved this for how it wore throughout the day in a strenuous and very sunny environment. So, it's not just me sitting in my bathroom declaring myself Supreme Court Justice of sunscreen. It's everybody. This is a democratic process. Now, I want to hear more about how you're testing these new sunscreens because there's been a buzz around a new active ingredient that was recently approved for sunscreens in the US by the FDA. And apparently, this is the first time in 25 years that this has happened, like a new ingredient has been approved. So, what is it, Nancy, and what is so special about it? Well, it is an ingredient that has been in use in sunscreens around the world for a very long time and finally was approved here called Bimotisenol. I like to say BMT and CCC knows all about it because I'm sure it's one of the ingredients in one of her smuggled sunscreens.

Christine Sirette: Yeah, if listeners have have not listened to our other sunscreen episode, you wouldn't know, but I really like to wear Korean sunscreen on my face. often these are not technically legal to be sold in the US. Why are the sunscreens in parts of Asia and Europe so much better? There are so many more active ingredients that are more current, that are more effective, that also these formulations just feel better and look better on your skin. So, why do we not have access to these?

Nancy Redd: You're like, what's the holdup?

Nancy Redd: Yeah. Well, the hold up is there's a testing process that was put into place that had to be fulfilled and finally for this BMT ingredient, it was filled and now the market is going to start being introduced with this new ingredient. From what I have ascertained, these new ingredients are not standalone sunscreen. So, you're never going to have a 100% BMT. But in the same way adding cilantro to a soup, adding BMT to a a sunscreen, in particular a facial sunscreen, adds a level of stability and cosmetic elegance because it means that the percentages of the other ingredients can be fiddled with. It means that you can remove some of the emulsifiers and the other stabilizers that make a heavier product. Is this required for sunscreen wear? No. There's plenty of sunscreens in the American market that will get you what you need, which is protection. Now, are they as fabulous as sunscreens with BEM? Time will tell. Two companies already have sunscreens in the market in America with BEM in it. We are currently panel testing them, and time will tell if new ingredients make a dent in the number of people who still find excuses to not wear sunscreen. What do you think so far about the ones that you have tried with this new ingredient?

Nancy Redd: I think it's sunscreen and I'm excited it exists.

Christine Sirette: Cool.

Christine Sirette: We will probably be airing this episode before you actually make any picks. Can you reveal which which brands are including these ingredients right now?

Nancy Redd: Right now, two brands are confirmed having BMT sunscreens for sale in America. Ultraviolet and Neutrogena. Whether or not it is a novelty element versus an actual improvement in the quality of the product, time will tell. And I think that's what a lot of other companies are looking at. They are trying to decide is it worth the cost of reformulation to include a new ingredient. I am not recommending either of these. We are still in panel testing. It's a lot of fun. But for anyone curious, you can Google. You can see what's available and try it yourself and see how it compares to what you've been protecting your skin with in the past. Because there's also that's why in our sunscreen guide we have a a price point for everyone because I'm trying to make this accessible and sunscreen can get really expensive and I think that ingredients are a tertiary concern. It's cost and access. We have covered a lot so far so I think let's pause for a minute and recap. Face and body sunscreen are interchangeable. Yay. That's great news. Dermatologists recommend SPF of at least 30. Broadspectrum UVA and UVB. Reapply about every 2 hours and use at least a/4 teaspoon for your face. Chemical and physical active ingredients are both effective. It's up to you which you prefer. SPF tinted moisturizers or makeup is probably not enough to cover your face. It's not really enough protection. We recommend using SPF specifically first, then a tinted product after. And then there's this new FDA approved ingredient BMT, which is available in two products on the market here in the US right now. We're currently testing them to see how they hold up against other formulations. Okay, Nancy, we're going to take a quick break and then when we're back, we're going to talk about the specific face sunscreens that you recommend and why. Be right back. Welcome back. This episode we're talking about face sunscreens with Nancy Red. Nancy, we want to walk through some of the recommendations in your guide. We are going to give you some hypothetical scenarios and then we want you to recommend the sunscreen in that scenario.

Nancy Redd: Sounds great.

Christine Sirette: All right. So, first you are giving a recommendation to someone who just wants a really good dependable everyday sunscreen and doesn't have a particular concern. Which of your sunscreens would you point them to and why?

Nancy Redd: Okay, so this is kind of like the sunscreen version. is a hot dog a sandwich because the face sunscreen for someone who wants a face sunscreen but isn't especially picky. I would do Super Goop Clay everyday lotion, it is a body and face sunscreen

Kyra Blackwell: and it comes in like a massive vat.

Nancy Redd: I only recommend it in the massive vat because it's extremely expensive otherwise. However, this has been a wire cutter pick since 2018, and it's a really solid crowd-pleaser. And in the 18 oz jug, it's a little over $3 an ounce, which actually makes it the least expensive of our face sunscreen picks per ounce. And the giant bottle means you're not going to be precious about using enough of it, which is why I love it, cuz it squish out, you slather it, it absorbs, you smell good. Uh, and that's the only caveat. A lot of face sunscreens are minimally fragranced and this one has a minty, slightly floral scent. So if you are sensitive to fragrance, this wouldn't be my pick for you. But for almost anybody, you cannot go wrong if you are okay with chemical sunscreens with Supergoot Play Everyday.

Christine Sirette: I love that. I really like that sunscreen, too. So

Nancy Redd: I would I've never met anyone who doesn't like that.

Christine Sirette: It's super great. Okay. So, what about someone who hates the feeling of sunscreen on their face or they just really want something lightweight enough that they might forget that they're wearing it at all? What would you recommend?

Nancy Redd: Okay. I would absolutely go to a drugstore and look for this on sale. It's often on sale. The Bor UV Aquar Moisturizer. It is one of our panelists overall favorite chemical sunscreens in our brand conceal testing because it absorbs almost instantly and it feels nearly weightless on your skin. And Kyra, you're nodding. You agree with me?

Kyra Blackwell: I do. I do. This one kind of did put me off at first cuz it's a little bit different in formulation than I was ever expecting. It's a bit watery when it comes out the bottle, but then you put it on it just evaporates into your skin. It's lovely. Yeah. And you're like, did I put it on? What's going on? Uh, and it leaves this very light, slightly dewy finish, and it's moisturizing, but it's not too moisturizing. You might be able to skip a separate moisturizer. It does have a strong smell, and it's not water resistant. So, if you're going someplace or you're sweating a lot, you if you're going swimming or whatever, you might want a different one. And people with facial hair didn't like the feel it left on their facial hair, understandably, cuz it's a I don't know, it's just like a little magic trick. This Bora UV Aquar Moisturizer. Okay, next up, you are recommending something for someone who absolutely does not want the sunscreen to be evident or obvious on their face, whether that's because they don't want a white cast or they don't want shiny skin. Which of our picks would you steer them towards then? There's a whole category of makeup primer like sunscreens which are completely clear gels and they're colorless on every skin tone. They're gender neutral. You don't It layers really nice under makeup, but you don't have to wear makeup to appreciate this. And our favorite of the quazillions we've tried is the Trader Joe's daily facial sunscreen. Okay, Trader Joe's. It's so great. It's about like $5 an ounce. Uh we actually did have a tester who regularly uses Super Goop Unseen, which is another makeup primer, clear gel sunscreen. They were mistaken when they tried side by side the Trader Joe's with the Super Goop in our brand concealed testing. It's an amazing sunscreen for people who are just like a hard line. I do not want any kind of white cast. It's great. But if your concern is shine, I don't know if this is the pick for you. It's a little greasy.

Kyra Blackwell: Yeah,

Nancy Redd: some of our testers found it greasy. It doesn't absorb as well as the bureete, but there's literally no white cast feasible because the sunscreen itself is clear. Upon your recommendation and Kyra's recommendation, I got this sunscreen and was very weirded out because I was not expecting the texture. But for me personally, it felt a little oily at first, but then that texture kind of went away completely after about 10 minutes and it was like very nice on my skin. So, I would get it again. Christine, you bring up a really great point. I like to tell people that sunscreen is like fragrance. You must let it dry down. You must give it a moment to see how it reacts with your skin and your skincare routine. In the same way, a fragrance right out of the bottle does not smell the same on your skin as a fragrance 3 hours later. Keep touching, keep smelling, you'll find the sunscreen that is right for you. What about somebody who has really sensitive skin, maybe allergies or acne? which pick would you recommend and what should they know about it before they try it on their skin?

Nancy Redd: This is where mineral sunscreens really hit the mark because people are less likely, it's not impossible to have an allergic reaction to mineral sunscreens. And we have two that I really like. One is Hero4 Shield Super Light SPF 30 and the other is Vanny Cream Facial Moisturizer SPF 30. And both use zinc oxide. Neither has added fragrance. Now, the Hero is great. I love it. I would use it if I was acne prone or if you hate the feel of traditional mineral sunscreen. It's really lightweight. It's a little expensive, but it's actually marketed towards acne prone skin. And it has this little green tint that is supposed to blur redness. Our testers did not find this to do anything, but you might. It also doesn't cause any harm. So, here we are. The simpler, less expensive option is our vanny cream pick. It's also a moisturizer, so you're getting two steps in one. and it can leave a little more of a white cast than the Hero, but our testers generally found it was minimal and it faded over time. Again, don't judge it 5 minutes. Judge it an hour after. Now, this is very important. Neither of these is water resistant. So, even though they're everyday sunscreens, they are not the ones that I would grab to go swimming or workout.

Christine Sirette: Okay. What about our friends with facial hair? What do you do for them? I would go with our LRP Lar Ro Paz Enthelia's Melt in Milk SPF 100, which was a huge crowd favorite in our testing. I was dubious at first, if only because the lack of hubris in suggesting that their SPF is 100. I just I I just I didn't want to believe it. I didn't want to like it.

Kyra Blackwell: That's a big number.

Christine Sirette: That's a big number. I was like, "Okay,

Nancy Redd: I like that number. That's the number I like to start at. If I could go higher, I would." I know it's the overachievers of sunscreen. Um even though we all know that SPF it's very incrementally uh improvement and as long as we're over 30, we're good. But everyone loved it. It was a crowd favorite and it did especially well with our testers who have facial hair. It rubs in easily. It absorbed quickly and it didn't get caught up in beards the way some of our other sunscreens did. And it's not shiny. There's no added fragrance. And it's got a great ballerific name.

Christine Sirette: Well, I have to ask now because it's SPF 100. How much does it cost?

Nancy Redd: The LRP SPF 100 is actually rather economically priced for a face sunscreen at $7.80 per ounce in a 5 oz tube.

Christine Sirette: That's not bad at all. I'm pretty surprised.

Kyra Blackwell: I'm not I like this brand. I've used this before. It's good. What about someone who wants the least amount of steps in their morning skincare routine? like they won't remember to put on a whole separate sunscreen unless it's already made easy. You know, it's built in. Sarah V am facial moisturizing lotion is basically made for this person. It's a great lightweight moisturizer and sunscreen wrapped into one. So, you can just put it on and be done. We've recommended it since 2018. And the simplicity is really the appeal. You're getting enough moisture plus your SPF 30. It's very light. doesn't have added fragrance though because no added fragrance doesn't mean it doesn't have a scent. It does have that classic sunscreen smell and it's not water resistant. So, it's not a swimming or sweaty day pick. It's just today's just a regular sunscreen day kind of pick.

Christine Sirette: Okay, speaking of sweating, let's make a recommendation for somebody who is the athlete who is sweating all the time, who's like going outside for runs. What do you recommend for these folks? Okay, the classic Banana Boat Sheer Sensitive Face Lotion SPF. You can't go wrong with it. It's got all the things. I feel like Stfano sign of it's got everything. It's water resistant, has no added fragrance, and it's about $3 an ounce.

Nancy Redd: So, uh, the only trade-off is it's not as cosmetically elegant. So, it's fine. It's just that in our brand concealed testing, it didn't absorb quite as well or feel quite as nice on the skin as our other top chemical picks. Uh, but if my priority is active, I'm sweaty, the Banana Boat Sheer Sensitive Face Lotion is a very practical choice. Okay. So, Nancy, as a final bonus question, will you reveal the Walmart sunscreen that you love, but you don't necessarily recommend for the face, but just for funsies? Absolutely. It is the wonderful giant bottle of Equate Sport Broadspectrum sunscreen valueiz SPF where for $12 you can get basically 2 lbs sun a vat of sunscreen that is looks so peruncter in particular next to the very pretty 18 oz super goop jar. It's just like it's like peruncter older cousin is like I'm here to actually do the work. You're over here looking cute with your little sunshiny jar, but no one knows the difference when it comes to the rays. You know, honestly, what I suggest to people is just if you really like to have that bat right by your door, just take off the label that says value, size, equate, sunscreen. You got yourself a winner. You got yourself some decor.

Kyra Blackwell: You've heard it here, folks.

Christine Sirette: I love it. Okay, so before we wrap, we always ask our guests one final question. So Nancy, what's the last thing you bought that you really loved? I actually just bought it. I haven't installed it yet.

Christine Sirette: Okay. But I love it for what it's going to do for my security this winter where I am nervous about power outages,

Nancy Redd: which is our Cyber Power backup battery and surge protector pick.

Nancy Redd: It's actually this really cool thing. I didn't know it existed, but I'm thinking ahead to my mother's security cameras and how I need to be able to check in on her all the time. If the power goes out, then I've lost mom TV. And I didn't even know this existed. Where you install your Ethernet and your modem and all that, too. And in a power outage, it'll keep the internet going for like hours.

Christine Sirette: No way. And so anything that's Wi-Fi dependent, whether it's your security cameras or your work or whatever, it just keeps on trucking when things go dark.

Nancy Redd: So I'm really excited about it. Didn't even know it was something that existed. Love Wire Cutter for so many things, not just sunscreen.

Kyra Blackwell: That's amazing.

Christine Sirette: That's great.

Christine Sirette: Nancy, this has been a riot. I love having you on the show. We will have you again soon. Yay. Oh man, Nancy is such a delight. I love having her on the show.

Kyra Blackwell: I love Nancy so much.

Christine Sirette: She's great. Well, I'm curious what you are taking away from this episode.

Kyra Blackwell: So, I'm not going to lie. I know a lot about sunscreens because I just, you know, I feel like I have a personal stake in it.

Christine Sirette: You've also covered it for Wire Cutter for a long time.

Kyra Blackwell: Definitely have. I think that my takeaway is I'm going to reframe the super goop, that big jug, and try and give that to my brothers for maybe like a Christmas present.

Christine Sirette: Yeah, here you go. Here's a big vat of sunscreen

Kyra Blackwell: and then just tell them it's like lotion so they just put it on their entire body including their face and like it's not adding an extra step to their skinare routine and it protects them from the sun and I'm looking out for them.

Christine Sirette: I love that. That is actually a really good value when you buy that sunscreen in a smaller amount. I've often kind of been like, it's too expensive, but at that big tub value, it's great.

Kyra Blackwell: I am very curious about NY's testing of this new sunscreen ingredient, the BMT. I am really I would love to have a future where I don't order sunscreens from other countries. Like, it's kind of expensive and that's not my my first choice. I would like to buy be able to buy something here that I think is really awesome and and feels the same way. So, curious if these are any good.

Christine Sirette: I'm really I'm hoping and praying for you. Yeah, thank you. Well, that's it for us this week. If you are curious about anything we talked about, we are going to drop links in the show notes as well as links to NY's articles about sunscreen. Until next time, bye. The Wire Cutter Show is executive produced by Rosie Garin and produced by Abigail Keel. Engineering support from Mattie Maziello and Nick Pitman. Today's episode was mixed by Catherine Anderson. Original music by Dan Powell, Marian Lozano, Alicia Bitup, Katherine Anderson, Rowan Nisto, and Diane Wong. Cliff Levy is Wire Cutter's deputy publisher and general manager. Ben Fman is Wire Cutters editorin chief. I'm Kyra Blackwell. I'm Christine Sirette. Thanks for listening. It's called Bimotrizenol. is called bimatresenol. It's called one of those and you're going to figure out with fact check.