应对批评与曼联队长的责任
[主持人]: 在职业足球生涯中,你会经历很多的起起伏伏,以及很多艰难的时刻。而承受最多的是家人,他们见证了你的高光时刻、低谷时期,看到你美好的一面,也看到你糟糕的一面,但他们始终支持着你。你在曼联的时光就像这样,有点像坐过山车。所以,在收到一份据报道价值2亿的巨额报价邀请你离开曼联的那一天,你为什么没有走?
Original English
[Interviewer]: In the in the football career, you go through a lot ups and downs and a lot of difficult moments. And let's say the ones that suffered most family, they see your good moments, your bad moments, your good side, your bad side also, but they always stand by you. Your time at Manchester United has been a bit of a roller coaster like this. And so on that day when you get a big offer to leave Manchester United for a contract that was worth reportedly 200 million, why didn't you go?
[主持人]: 他是“神奇队长”。曼联队长布鲁诺·费尔南德斯(Bruno Fernandes)可以说是后弗格森时代他们最伟大的球员。自他加盟以来,英超联赛中没有哪位球员的助攻数比他更多。他赢得的俱乐部年度最佳球员奖项比C罗(Ronaldo)还要多,而且只有五位球员的联赛进球数超过了他的70个。所以,我来到了曼联的训练基地,向他提出足球界都想知道的问题,包括最近罗伊·基恩(Roy Keane)根据一段声称是你自己说的话,批评了你的心态。你对此如何回应?
Original English
[Interviewer]: It's Captain Fantastic. Manchester United's captain Bruno Fernandes has arguably become their greatest player in the post Ferguson era. There isn't a single player in the Premier League who has more assists since his arrival. He's won more club player of the year awards than Ronaldo and only five players have scored more than his 70 league goals. So, I'm at the Manchester United training ground to ask him the questions the footballing world wants to know, including recently Roy Keane criticized your mentality based on a quote he claimed you said. How do you respond to that?
[布鲁诺·费尔南德斯]: 他跑来批评我、痛批我,说我不够好,说我不是一个好队长,说我不是俱乐部需要的好球员。这没关系,我不在乎。我不能接受的是人们在事情上撒谎。我甚至问了奥莱(Ole Gunnar Solskjær)他的电话号码,想去和他谈谈。
Original English
[Bruno Fernandes]: He came criticizing me, killing me, saying that I'm not good enough, that I'm not a good captain, that I'm not a good player for the club. It's okay. I don't mind. What I don't like is when people lie about things. I even asked Ole his number to have a word with him.
[主持人]: 你跟他说话了吗?
Original English
[Interviewer]: Did you speak to him?
[布鲁诺·费尔南德斯]: 还没有。
Original English
[Bruno Fernandes]: Not yet.
童年环境与家庭价值观
[主持人]: 布鲁诺,要理解一个人,我总觉得必须从他们的起点以及他们成长早期环境开始。在开始录音之前,我们刚刚聊到了波尔图。我正在探寻为什么你会是今天的你,因为你在球场上是一个如此独特的存在。当我追踪你的职业生涯轨迹,看到你如何在很年轻的时候不断被提拔和向前推进时,我很清楚你早期的环境、早期的家庭教育,以及那个年龄段所存在的任何因素,都以非常非常重要的方式塑造了你。关于你的出身和那个环境,我最需要理解的是什么?
Original English
[Interviewer]: Bruno. To understand somebody, I always think you have to start with where they started and the the early context that they grew up in. And we were just talking before we started recording about Porto. I'm on a journey to understand why you are the way that you are because you're such an anomaly on the pitch and your your career when I track the journey of where you've come from and how you continually were promoted and pushed forward at a very young age is clear to me that your early context your early upbringing and whatever it was that was present at that age has shaped you in some very very important way what is the sort of earliest thing I need to understand about where you came from and that environment
[布鲁诺·费尔南德斯]: 对我来说,一切都关乎家庭,关乎照顾他人。我认为要在体育运动乃至生活中取得成功,你需要对周围的环境非常小心。所以我认为我家庭的价值观、我父母的价值观,是塑造我成为今天这样的一个人和球员的关键。
Original English
[Bruno Fernandes]: for me is all about family is about taking care of other people And I think to succeed not just in in sports but in life, you need to be you need to be very careful of of your surroundings. So I think the values of my family, the values of my of my parents were were what make me the person and the player I am today.
[主持人]: 随着我年龄增长,我今年33岁,应该比你大两岁,我随着时间的推移越来越意识到,实际上我从父母那里学到的,尤其是父亲给我的价值观,有很多事情他从未亲口对我说过,而是通过他的行为垂范,比如看他是如何行事的。
Original English
[Interviewer]: The older I've gotten, I'm now 33, so I think I'm 2 years older than you, the more I've realized actually with time what I learned from my parents and like the values that my dad in particular gave me. He never for a lot of the things it's not something he ever said to me. It's like modeling what he did. So seeing how he behaved.
[布鲁诺·费尔南德斯]: 是的。
Original English
[Bruno Fernandes]: Yeah.
[主持人]: 对你来说那是什么样的体验?
Original English
[Interviewer]: What's that for you?
[布鲁诺·费尔南德斯]: 差不多也是一样的。你知道,我的父亲从来不是一个会过度表达情感或告诉你该做什么、怎么做的人。他就是去做,然后你通过他的行为、他的处事方式来理解,这就是他向我们展示做事标准的方式。他以前从不是一个喜欢拥抱、亲吻之类的人,但他现在开始做这些了。甚至当我结束比赛出来时,我总是能得到他的拥抱和亲吻。作为孩子,我虽然知道他有多爱我,但在这些细微的表达方面,以前总是我的妈妈在给予这种爱。他更侧重于展示事情必须怎么做,以及你必须为某些事情做出多少牺牲。我父亲在比赛方面对我非常严格。
Original English
[Bruno Fernandes]: It's it's kind of the same, you know, like um my father was never a person to to show his emotions too much or tell you what to do or how to do it. Uh he would just do it and you would understand by by by his behavior, by the way things that uh that was his way of showing us how he has to be doing. Was never a person of like hugging, kissing and stuff. He's got now into that even when I come out of games and stuff you see like I I I always get his hug. I always get the his kiss and this is something that I as a kid I knew how much he loved me but uh in in this small aspects was always my mom giving this kind of love. He was more uh in the way he was showing how things have to be done how how much you have to sacrifice yourself to certain things. My dad was very strong with me in term of like games.
[布鲁诺·费尔南德斯]: 想象一下,我可能在一场比赛中打进了两三个球,而我父母,在这里是我父亲,总是会挑出我比赛中表现不好的时刻,让我明白那虽然不错,但还不够伟大,永远有改进的空间。你知道,都是一些小细节。我觉得我从很小的时候就学会了应对批评,以至于我现在效力于在承受批评和关注度方面可以说是世界上最大的俱乐部之一,这并不会伤害我。当然我也不喜欢它,显然没有人喜欢被批评,但这并不会伤害我,也不会改变我的行为方式,不会改变我想做事的方式。但从另一方面来看,它让我明白还有需要改进的地方。我会听取这些意见,我会审视自己的比赛,看看我的踢法是否需要改变或提升。我爸爸在这方面对我一直非常严厉。
Original English
[Bruno Fernandes]: Imagine I could come out of a game scoring two, three goals or whatsoever and my parents, my dad in this case will always pick up the bad moments I had in games to make me understand that wasn't that wasn't that was good but wasn't great. It's always margin to improvement. You know, it's always small things. And I think I've learned such from such a young age to deal with criticism that I'm now in probably in one of the biggest clubs in terms of like caring criticism and attention. That doesn't hurt me. Like I don't like it. Obviously, no one likes to get criticized, but it doesn't hurt me. It doesn't change the way I behave. It doesn't change the way I want to do things. But from the other side, it makes me understand there's still things to improve. And I listen to that and I I I I look at my game and I see if he's needed of changing of improvement in my game. And and my dad was always very strong in that with me.
[布鲁诺·费尔南德斯]: 我现在看到很多家长,你知道的,但我爸爸从来不只是想要我成为一名足球运动员,他想让我成为一个更好的人,一个更好的球员,或者一个更好的学生。任何我想做的事,他都只是要求我付出100%的努力。如果你想做这个,你就必须做到最好。你不能仅仅因为去考试得了98分就成为世界上最快乐的人——在葡萄牙满分是100%——不,你可以高兴,因为这个结果很棒,但你还留下了2%的提升空间。所以他总是向我展示,即使只是一件小事或一个小细节,你仍然有更多的事可以做,仍然有可以改进或变得更好的地方。这不仅在足球中,在生活中也深深地影响了我。我不喜欢只做50%、60%、70%或80%。每当我参与到某件事中,我就想全力以赴,想尽可能多地学习,在那个方面成为最好的自己,无论那是什么。
Original English
[Bruno Fernandes]: And I see nowadays the parents, you know, my dad never wanted me to be a footballer. He wanted me to become a better person, a better player on or a better student. Everything I wanted I wanted to do, he just wanted to me to do it at like 100%. You need you want to do this, you have to do the best you can. You can't just be happy with you go to a test and let's say in Portugal was from zero to 100%. And you have 98 and you'll be the most happiest person in the world. No, you can be happy because that result is amazing. But you left 2% then that you still can improve. So you always showing me that even if it was just a small thing or a small detail, you still have something more to do. You still still have something more that you can improve or become better. And that's something that has stuck with me not just in football but in life. I don't like to do things 50% 60 70 or 80. Whenever I'm included in something, I want I want to go full. I want to learn as much as I can. I want to be the best version I can in that aspect, whatever it is.
早期职业生涯与“无惧”精神
[主持人]: 我的意思是,这真的很令人兴奋。因为我在想,我记得你好像是5岁开始踢球的?
Original English
[Interviewer]: I mean, it's it's really interesting because I I I wonder to myself how you I think you started playing football at 5 years old.
[布鲁诺·费尔南德斯]: 是的,五岁。
Original English
[Bruno Fernandes]: Yeah, five.
[主持人]: 你从5岁开始就很厉害了吗?你在很小的时候就和同龄人不一样吗?
Original English
[Interviewer]: And were you good from 5 years old? Were you were you different from your peers at a young age?
[布鲁诺·费尔南德斯]: 在那么小的年纪,我从没想过要成为职业球员,我只是想一辈子踢球。只要踢球我就高兴,我只想让球一直留在我的脚下。
Original English
[Bruno Fernandes]: In such a young age, I I never think about being a footballer. I just wanted to play football for life. I'm just happy playing football. I just want to have this ball in my feet every time, all time.
[主持人]: 然后你加入了恩菲斯塔(FC Infesta)。
Original English
[Interviewer]: And you joined uh FC Infesta.
[布鲁诺·费尔南德斯]: 对,那是我的第一家俱乐部。
Original English
[Bruno Fernandes]: Yeah, that was my first club
[主持人]: 在5岁的时候。我这里有一些你小时候的照片,我有好多照片,你那时候大概就是这个年纪。而且令人惊讶的是,我读到过你在参加了一次训练课后,他们就把你调到了大年龄段组,在四五岁的时候和比你大两岁的人一起踢球。
Original English
[Interviewer]: at 5 years old. I mean, I've got some photos of you as as a young man here. I've got so many photos here, but you must be roughly around that age then. And remarkably, I read that after one training session, they moved you into the older group and you played with people two years older than you when you were four, five years old.
[布鲁诺·费尔南德斯]: 是的,我当时五岁,和七岁的孩子一起踢。
Original English
[Bruno Fernandes]: Yeah, I was five playing with a seven years old.
[主持人]: 为什么他们要把你调到不同的组?
Original English
[Interviewer]: Why did they move you into a different group?
[布鲁诺·费尔南德斯]: 我去参加了第一节训练课,那是一次五人制的室内足球课。在那节课之后,他们告诉我:“不行,你得去草地上。”我想这纯粹是因为,你看,我看着其他球员和跟我一起训练的人,我并不是想表现得比他们好,我只是想和他们对抗,就像对抗我那个比我大五岁的哥哥一样。对我来说这没有区别,如果我必须击败他,我就会击败他。比如一对一,我会过掉他;如果要铲球,我就会去铲他。他可能会更强硬地铲我,没关系,我会再次铲回去。我没有任何恐惧。我认为正是这一点让我变得越来越好,因为我从来都不是最出色的。比如技术能力,是的,我不错,但我是最好的吗?不是。速度,我快吗?是的,相当快,但我是最快的吗?不是。我是最强壮的吗?不是。我是最高的吗?不是。但我对这些没有丝毫恐惧。如果要和比我快的人赛跑,我会和他一起冲,我可能赢不了他,但我会非常接近他。
Original English
[Bruno Fernandes]: I went for the first session and it was a football session. Five aside uh but like an indoor thing. Um and uh after that first session, they told me that like no, you need to get on the grass. And then I think it comes just u you know I looked at the other players and at the other other people that were training with me and I didn't want to be better than them. I just wanted to like getting getting at them was the same at getting at my brother that was five years old than me. For me it was no difference. If I have to beat him up I will beat him up. You know like one v one I'm going to go past him. I have to tackle I'm going to tackle him. He's going to tackle me stronger. It doesn't matter. I tackle him again. And and I was I had no fear. And I think that was the thing that make me become better and better because I was never the best. Like technical ability, yes, I was good. Was the best? No. Speed. Was I quick? Yeah, I was quite the quick. Was this the quickest? No. I was the strongest. No. I was the tallest. No. But I had no fear of anything of that. I had to sprint with someone that was quicker than me. I'm going to sprint with him and I'm going to I might not beat him, but I'm going to get close to that.
[主持人]: 我确实读到过你当时踢得非常具有侵略性,以至于裁判有时会要求你的恩菲斯塔教练塞尔吉奥(Sergio)把你换下,否则他们就不得不把你红牌罚下。
Original English
[Interviewer]: I actually read that you were so aggressive that referees sometimes asked your coach at Infesta Sergio to sub you off otherwise they'd have to send you off.
[布鲁诺·费尔南德斯]: 是的。
Original English
[Bruno Fernandes]: Yeah.
[主持人]: 我的意思是,这正好对应了你刚才说的关于“无惧”的话。
Original English
[Interviewer]: I mean that kind of correlates with what you were saying there about fear.
[布鲁诺·费尔南德斯]: 是的。
Original English
[Bruno Fernandes]: Yeah.
[主持人]: 你很有侵略性。
Original English
[Interviewer]: You were aggressive.
[布鲁诺·费尔南德斯]: 我就是这个意思。我没有恐惧,我不会去看对方的脸或者体型,不会去想“哦,他比我大,他会比我更强壮”之类的事情。我会在比赛的任何时刻,毫无畏惧地去拼抢任何一个球。这可能是我职业生涯中在恩菲斯塔和博阿维斯塔(Boavista)之间最好的时光,因为这一张是恩菲斯塔,那一张是博阿维斯塔。我在恩菲斯塔大概只待了一年,博阿维斯塔立刻就签下了我。
Original English
[Bruno Fernandes]: I was I that's what I mean. Like I had I had no fear, you know, like I I wouldn't look at faces or sizes whatsoever and think like oh he's bigger than me, you know, like he's going to he's going to be stronger than me or whatever. I would get into any any any ball in any moment in in the game with with no fear at all. And this is probably the best times in my career between Infesta and Bu Vista because this one is Infesta. This one is at Vista when I just I stayed probably a year at Infesta and Buista got me straight away.
意甲起步与圭多林的导师作用
[主持人]: 屏幕下方应该有一个按钮。如果它显示已订阅,那说明你已经订阅了。如果它显示订阅,这意味着你还没有。如果你还没有订阅,能不能帮我们一个忙,点击那个按钮?这对节目的帮助超乎你的想象。根据算法,你是我们节目的观众,但你还没有点击那个按钮。非常感谢。
[主持人]: 然后你迅速地一步步往上走。当我看到你5岁开始踢球,被提拔到大年龄组,然后在几乎所有的俱乐部里都快速晋升时,我注意到了这一点,这非常了不起。我看到在你17岁的时候,你离开了葡萄牙,前往意大利加盟了诺瓦拉(Novara)。
Original English
[Interviewer]: And you moved quickly um up and up and up and up. And that was one of the remarkable things I noticed when I looked at you starting playing at 5 years old getting promoted to an older team and then quickly almost in all the clubs, you know, up I'm looking at when you were 17 years old and you left Portugal and moved to Italy to join Navara.
[布鲁诺·费尔南德斯]: 是的。
Original English
[Bruno Fernandes]: Yeah.
[主持人]: 在那里待了三个月后,你就被提拔到了第一线队。但是你又非常迅速地加盟了乌迪内斯(Udinese)。
Original English
[Interviewer]: And after three months there, you were promoted to the first team. Um, and but then you very quickly joined Udinazi.
[布鲁诺·费尔南德斯]: 是的。
Original English
[Bruno Fernandes]: Yes.
[主持人]: 在乌迪内斯,你遇到了一个叫弗朗切斯科的人。我不太会读他的姓氏,圭多林?
Original English
[Interviewer]: And at Udazi, you met a guy called Franchesco. I can't pronounce his surname, but Goudellini.
[布鲁诺·费尔南德斯]: 圭多林(Guidolin),是的。
Original English
[Bruno Fernandes]: Guidelini. Yeah.
[主持人]: 他在你的职业生涯中起到了非常关键的塑造作用,对吧?你当时大概18岁?
Original English
[Interviewer]: He was really, really formative in your career, wasn't he? You were what, 18, 18 years old.
[布鲁诺·费尔南德斯]: 对,18岁。
Original English
[Bruno Fernandes]: 18 years old. Yeah.
[主持人]: 为什么他在你的职业生涯中如此重要?他在乌迪内斯教会了你什么,或者给了你什么?
Original English
[Interviewer]: Why was he such an important part of your career? What did he teach you or give you at Udemy?
[布鲁诺·费尔南德斯]: 他可能是给了我基础和根基去无所畏惧并展现自我的教练,你知道的,让我把心思从当时发生的许多事情中抽离出来。作为一个刚刚迈出这一步的年轻孩子,我当时想:“现在是我需要展现自己的时候了。”但他对我说:“你在意大利乙级联赛时就已经向我展示了你的品质,这就是我们买下你的原因。”老实说,当时我差一点就租借去沃特福德(Watford)了。
Original English
[Bruno Fernandes]: He was the manager that probably gave me the basis and the foundation to be fearless and express myself, you know, like to get my head out of so many things that were going on. And as a young kid that has just made step into the area and he's like, I need to now is the moment I need to show myself. But he was like, you don't you you showed me that you have the qualities when you were in second division in Italy. That's why we bought you. And to be honest, I was on the edge of coming to Watford on loan.
[主持人]: 沃特福德。
Original English
[Interviewer]: Watford.
[布鲁诺·费尔南德斯]: 是的,因为那是相同的控股权。
Original English
[Bruno Fernandes]: Yeah. Because the is the same ownership
[布鲁诺·费尔南德斯]: 我们已经到了转会窗口的最后阶段。他们刚刚买下我,显然他们有一支庞大的阵容,有很多球员,他们说:“我们要把你送到沃特福德,你会在那里为他们踢球等等。”我当时就想:“我做错了什么吗?难道我不够好吗?”然后就在同一时间,他们叫我去收拾行李,因为那是最后几天了。我当时和我的女朋友(现在的妻子)在一起,她说:“别担心,我们会去别的地方,你会成功的。”我说:“但我为什么不能留在这里?我做错了什么,以至于教练看我的眼光和其他球员不一样?”在我的脑海里,我想着:“我是不是做错了什么?我没有展现出我的全部潜力吗?我没有表现出我有能力留在这支球队吗?”
Original English
[Bruno Fernandes]: and uh we're getting at the edge of the transfer window. They just bought me and obviously they had a big squad with a lot of players and they were like we're going to send you to Watford. You're going to you're going to be there playing for them blah blah. And I was like what have I done? Like I wasn't I wasn't good enough. And then in the same moment they called me to go to the auto pack my stuff cuz it was like last days this pack my stuff. I was with with my girlfriend wife now and she was like uh don't worry we're going to we're going to go anywhere else and you're going to you're going to succeed. And I said but why can I make it here? Like what what what was that I did wrong that like the manager is like not looking at me the same that is looking to other players and in my head was like have I done something wrong? I've not like showed my full potential. Have I not shown that I'm good enough to be in this team?
[布鲁诺·费尔南德斯]: 我不知道为什么在这一堆想法的中间,体育总监又打电话给我,说:“布鲁诺,你不能走了。主教练想让你留下。他说他很喜欢你,喜欢你的态度,他想让你跟他多学习,想让你理解他想怎么踢球等等。他说你这个赛季可能上场时间不多,但他非常确信你是那种会在这个俱乐部取得成功的球员。”然后我们进行了很多次谈话。我认为,当你作为年轻球员遇到这样一位教练时,那些很快能上场踢球的人可能会想“我现在是核心了”,但他会让你明白:“保持冷静,我支持你,但你还没到那个位置。”他对我真的太好了,就像一个父亲般的角色,你知道的,但不仅仅是对我。如果你和当时在场的每一位球员交谈,他们都知道自己对他很重要,因为他总是展现出这一点。
Original English
[Bruno Fernandes]: And I don't know why in the middle of all this thought the sporting director called me again and says Bruno you can't go anymore. The manager wants you to stay. He says he loved you. He loves your attitude. He wants you to learn from him. He wants you to understand how he wants to play and everything. He says you might not play much this season but he's pretty sure that you you are the type of player that will succeed at this club. And then we had many conversations and I think when you want a manager for young players that very quick will play and will think like oh I'm I'm the guy now he's going to make you understand stay calm I got you but you're still not there. And he was so good for me. He was like a father figure, you know, like but not just for me. If you speak with every player that was there at that time, they knew they were important for him because he always showed that.
[布鲁诺·费尔南德斯]: 这让我变得更加全面,去理解教练脑海中必须经历的时刻和过程,以及他们对球员的看法——这往往是你不理解的。每当教练把你放在替补席上,你只会觉得“他不喜欢我,他这么做是因为他想让另一个人上场”。但他对待我以及当时我身边的所有球员的方式,让我们感到非常快乐,那里的环境非常非常棒。
Original English
[Bruno Fernandes]: And that's why we made me so much more complete in terms of understanding the moments and the process that managers have to go through their heads and what they think about players that is better or whatsoever that you don't understand. Whenever a manager puts you on the bench, you just think doesn't like me. He's he's doing this because he makes he wants to make another one play. what but the way he did it with me and all the players that were around me at that time we were so happy that their environment was very very good
[主持人]: 作为一个那个年纪的年轻人,当你18岁的时候,你的梦想是什么?如果我当时问你你的未来是什么样的,你会怎么对我说?
Original English
[Interviewer]: as a young man when you're this age you're 18 years old what are your dreams and if I'd asked you at the time what does your future look like what would you have said to me
[布鲁诺·费尔南德斯]: 一旦我成为职业球员,我就想:“我想去顶级俱乐部,我想为豪门效力,我想踢欧冠,我想去争夺奖杯,我想成为我所注视的那些球员,我想成为像他们一样的人。”
Original English
[Bruno Fernandes]: as soon I I became a professional player I I was like I want to be on on on the top clubs I want to play for for the big clubs I want to be in the Champions League I want to to play for trophies I want to become the players I'm looking at I I want I want to become like them.
[主持人]: 你当时觉得你能做到吗?
Original English
[Interviewer]: Did you think you could?
[布鲁诺·费尔南德斯]: 是的,一直都这么觉得。我从未怀疑过。
Original English
[Bruno Fernandes]: Yeah, always. I've never I never doubt.
里斯本竞技时期与热刺的转会波折
[主持人]: 在22岁时,你收到了电话,回到了葡萄牙,并与里斯本竞技(Sporting CP)签署了一份为期5年的合同,交易价值据报道为850万。接下来的那个赛季,你打进了20个进球并送出了13次助攻,这在你那个位置的球员中是闻所未闻的。我读到的是,热刺(Tottenham Hotspur)当时对你很感兴趣,而且在某个时刻,你非常有可能最终转会到热刺。作为一个曼联球迷,我很庆幸你没去,但跟我聊聊那件事。所以,热刺给你打电话了。
Original English
[Interviewer]: And at 22, you get a call um and you returned to Portugal and signed a 5-year deal with Sporting in a deal worth reportedly 8.5 million. That next season, you scored 20 goals and added 13 assists, which was unheard unheard of for a player in your position. And what I read as well is that Tottenham were interested in you at that time. Um, and it was it was at one point highly likely that you were gonna end up moving to Tottenham. I'm very glad you didn't as a Man United fan, but tell me about that. So, Tottenham call you.
[布鲁诺·费尔南德斯]: 是的,我和热刺谈过,我们非常接近达成协议。然后,在转会市场的最后一天或两天,里斯本竞技直接说:“我们不卖他了。我们要留下他,因为我们需要他。”
Original English
[Bruno Fernandes]: Yeah, I spoke with Tottenham and uh we were very close to get an agreement done. Um, then in the last two days or one day of market, the Sporting just said we we're not going to sell him. We're going to keep him because we need him. And
[主持人]: 你当时想去热刺吗?
Original English
[Interviewer]: you wanted to go to Tottenham?
[布鲁诺·费尔南德斯]: 是的,因为我想在英超踢球。
Original English
[Bruno Fernandes]: Yes, because I wanted to play in the Premier League.
[主持人]: 为什么?
Original English
[Interviewer]: Why?
[布鲁诺·费尔南德斯]: 因为对我来说这是世界上最好的联赛。它是最具竞争力的,是我想当你长大时梦寐以求去效力的联赛,有着爆满的体育场、顶级俱乐部、顶尖球员。显然,我很幸运,我在英格兰梦寐以求效力的俱乐部是曼联,但显然热刺在当时是我拥有的选择,我也非常非常高兴能加入他们,因为他们向我展示了他们正在经历的重组过程。当时在那里的主教练也非常想要我,还有所有的新事物、新设施等等。所以对于我能预见到的未来一切,我都非常高兴。但这并没有发生,我想是因为有更宏大的原因吧。然后到了1月份,我接到了我已经期盼了两三年的电话。
Original English
[Bruno Fernandes]: because for me is the best league in the world. He's the most competitive one. He's the one that I think when you grow up you dream to play for you know like full stadiums, top clubs, top players. Obviously I was I was lucky enough that my dream club to play in England was Man United and obviously Tottenham at the time was the option I had and I was very very happy to join them because they showed me the process that they were going through. the manager that was there at the time they also really wanted me all the new things the new facilities and everything. So I was very happy with the with everything that I could see uh going forward but uh it didn't happen and for bigger reasons I I guess and then in January I got I got the call that uh I was I was hoping for for uh for two three years already.
圆梦曼联与衣帽间的泪水
[主持人]: 跟我说说那个电话,因为我知道曼联已经进入你的视野很久了。我的意思是,我知道你从小看着C罗为这家俱乐部效力长大,我想当他第一次为葡萄牙国家队出场时,你还很年轻,大概八岁或十岁左右,而他已经是曼联的伟大球星了。但总体来说,我们这个年龄段的人都是在曼联的黄金时代,也就是亚历克斯·弗格森(Alex Ferguson)时代长大的。所以为什么是曼联?如果你是当时我经纪人给我打电话时墙上的苍蝇,你能带我还原那一刻的场景吗?我想我能看到你脸上的笑容。
Original English
[Interviewer]: Tell me about that call cuz I know Manchester United has has been you know in your eye for a long time. I mean you I know you grew up watching people like Cristiano Ronaldo play for this club and I think when he I think when he first played for Portugal you were you were a young guy. You were like eight eight or 10 years old or something and he had been a great star of Manchester United but but I think generally people of our age group we grew up in the heyday of Manchester United the Alex Ferguson era as well. So why Manchester United and can you zoom me in if I'm a fly on the wall when you get that phone call from your agent I guess that Manchester United are in I can see the smile on your face.
[布鲁诺·费尔南德斯]: 我当时……在我的衣帽间里,我正准备上床睡觉。我的妻子刚刚把孩子,也就是我的女儿,当时我只有女儿,送去睡觉。然后我接到了我经纪人的电话。我知道有一些进展,但在热刺的事情发生之后,我不想把注意力放在转会窗口上。在我职业生涯的每一步换俱乐部时,我从不这样做。我总是对我的经纪人说:“每当对方俱乐部有95%的把握真的想要我并且准备好提出报价时,再告诉我,然后我来决定这是否是正确的时刻以及我想不想去。除此之外,让我保持置身事外。我不想知道,我不想把精力分散到我无法控制的事情上。”在热刺的事情之后,我更加如此了,因为显然当时基本都谈妥了。然后突然之间,里斯本竞技在最后一天说:“伙计们,我们谈不成了。”所以他打电话给我,他说:“布鲁诺,你之前告诉过我,在有具体进展之前不要跟你说话……”
Original English
[Bruno Fernandes]: I was um let's say I was in my wardrobe. I was getting getting ready to go to bed. We just had to my wife was just putting uh kids to my daughter at that time. I only had my daughter uh to bed and I get the call from my agent. Uh I knew things were going on and everything, but after what happened with Tottenham, I didn't want to put my focus on transfer windows. And I I never did it in every step of my career that I've changed club. I always said to my agent whenever he's like 95% that the club really wants me and he's ready to make an offer tell me and then I decide if it's like the right moment and I want to go. Apart of that I'm like just keep him apart. Keep me apart. I don't want to know it. I don't want like to lose the focus of what I'm doing to something that I can't control. And after the Tottenham thing I was like even more because obviously I was basically done. And then all of a sudden last day Sporting just says like guys oh they text to them and say like we're not going to make it. So he called me and he said, "Brun, so you told me to not speak to you until we had something like concrete."
[主持人]: 具体进展。
Original English
[Interviewer]: Concrete.
[布鲁诺·费尔南德斯]: “……具体进展,但只是让你知道,他们现在已经达成了一致,所有事情都妥了。所以现在轮到你这边来说‘是’或‘否’了。”我当时说:“是对什么说‘是’或‘否’?”他说:“得了吧,你都看新闻了。”我说,我的经纪人打电话给我,我说:“米格尔(Miguel),新闻每天都不一样。每天他们都会放出一个新的对我有兴趣的俱乐部。所以我不会关注那些。”他说:“好吧,曼联要来签你了。我知道这就是你想要的。所以,让你知道,这就是你一直在等的那个机会。现在轮到你做决定了。”然后,大概有10到20秒的时间,我什么也没说。我当时在哭,但我不想说话,因为你知道,你的声音会开始变得有点沙哑。然后突然之间,我妻子走进衣帽间,她说:“我还在通电话呢。”她问:“你为什么在哭?”电话那头的米格尔也问:“你在哭吗?”我当时就把电话挂了,然后我试图向我妻子解释发生了什么。他又一直在打过来,说:“我需要一个答复。”我妻子说:“你为什么哭成这样?这不就是你一直梦想的吗?这就是你一直在等待的时刻。”我当时想:“哦,我不知道,这太令人震撼了,我完全没有料到在热刺发生的一切之后,我还能有机会来到英超,而且是有机会随曼联来到英超,这就像是100%圆梦了。”所以显然,我随后回拨给他,我说:“我甚至不想知道其他任何事情了。直接告诉他们我去。”显然,我在里斯本竞技时表现非常好,在那里我也很开心,因为我真的很享受在竞技队的时光,因为那可能是我作为球员变得最好的版本,我在那两年半里提升了非常多,但随后前往英超踢球的梦想召唤着我,我认为每个里斯本竞技的球迷都真的理解我已经准备好离队去迈出下一步了。
Original English
[Bruno Fernandes]: Concrete, but just so you know, they also have agreement already everything. So it's just on your side now to say yes or no. And I was like like yes or no to what? And he said, "Come on, you've seen the news." I said, my agent calls me guy said, "Miguel, the news are every day different. Every day they're going to put a new club that is interested in me. So I'm not I'm not going to be focused on that." He said, "Okay, many night is coming for you. I know I know this is like what you want. So, just so you know, this is this is the one that you've been waiting for. So, it's on you now to make a decision." And then, uh, for like 10 20 seconds, I didn't I didn't said anything. I was I was crying, but I didn't want to talk because, you know, like your voice starts going a little bit chalky. And then all of a sudden, my my wife gets into the wardrobe and he says, "I'm still on the call." And she goes like, "Why are you crying?" and like him on the phone say are you crying? I was like just I turned that off and I was like Miguel just called me and then in the moment I'm trying to explain to my wife what's going on. He's calling me like repetitively like I need an answer and I was like and my wife was like why are you crying so like this is like what you have dreamed for. like this is this is the moment you you're waiting for and I was like oh I don't know it's it's just too much like I I' I've never expected after everything that happened with Tottenham I would have got the chance to come to the Premier League again and having the chance to come to the Premier League with Man United is it's it's like 100% of the dream complete. So obviously then like uh I just I just call him back and I said like I don't even want to know anything else. Just tell them I'm going. Obviously, I was very good at sporting and I was very happy there because I I really enjoyed my time at sporting because was when I became probably the best version of of myself as a player where I improved so much in that two years and a half but then was like the dream of playing for the Premier League and I think from every sporting fund they really understood that was was ready for me to to go and do the next step.
[主持人]: 当你加盟的时候,我是说,这是你加盟曼联时那张著名的签约照片。
Original English
[Interviewer]: And when you join, man, I mean, here's the famous photo of you signing with Manchester United.
[布鲁诺·费尔南德斯]: 是的。
Original English
[Bruno Fernandes]: Yeah,
[主持人]: 很有意思,当你看着这些照片时,你的脸上依然挂着同样的笑容。
Original English
[Interviewer]: it's funny the the smile that you still have on your face when you look at these pictures.
[布鲁诺·费尔南德斯]: 一模一样。是的,因为我认为当你回首往事时,正如我所说,这是你梦想成真的日子。所以,从职业角度来看,我想我会把这一天和在里斯本竞技的时光放在同等重要的位置,因为里斯本竞技在我的职业生涯中有着举足轻重的意义,但显然这绝对是锦上添花,因为这是我梦想去到的地方。
Original English
[Bruno Fernandes]: Same. Yeah, it's uh because I think when when you look back, as I said, like this is the day your dream comes true. So it's uh it's probably professional wise I think I put this one and sporting together because of the importance that sporting had in my career but obviously this this was the cherry on on top of the cake because this is where I wanted to be.
选择动荡中的曼联与建队信念
[主持人]: 你加入俱乐部的时候,俱乐部正处于一定程度的混乱和挣扎之中。你知道,亚历克斯·弗格森爵士已经离开了,我们轮换了好几任教练,而当时我们的教练是奥莱·冈纳·索尔斯克亚。我想你加盟时曼联在英超排名第七,正处于动荡时期。你当时知道曼联并不是世界上最稳定的俱乐部,但你还是选择来到了这里。根据你在里斯本竞技的记录,你本可以有很多其他机会加入一家更稳定的俱乐部。这很有趣,因为俱乐部可以对球员的未来产生巨大影响,球员也可以对俱乐部产生巨大影响,反之亦然。作为经营企业的人,你知道,你加入的环境对每个人的行为都有着巨大的影响,无论你多么努力。而你当时选择加入了一家不稳定的俱乐部。
Original English
[Interviewer]: and you joined the club at a time when the club was in a bit of uh turmoil, struggling. You know, Sir Alex Ferguson has left. Um we've cycled through a bunch of managers and we've got um Olegosar as the manager at that point. I think the club was seventh in the Premier League when you joined. Um and it was going through a time of turbulence. You knew that Manchester United wasn't the most stable club in the world, but you chose to come here anyway. And based on your rec record at sporting, you would have had a lot of other opportunities to join a club that was more stable. That was, you know, and it's interesting because clubs can have a big impact on a player's future. Players can have a big impact on a club, but it also goes the the other way. And as someone that runs businesses, you know, the environment you join has a huge impact on everyone's behavior. No, no, irrespective of how hard you try. You chose to join a club that was at the time unstable.
[布鲁诺·费尔南德斯]: 听着,在我来到这里之前看的一场比赛,我记得是伯恩利,曼联在主场1-2输给了伯恩利。我不记得确切的比分,但我知道他们输掉了那场比赛,那就在我加盟的前几天,我当时觉得这支球队仍然有很大的潜力,而且在拥有潜力的同时,我加入的是世界上最伟大的俱乐部之一。我知道俱乐部会经历一段事情不如人意的时期,但有时这并不仅是因为他们不够伟大,而只是因为其他球队表现得更好。这很正常,因为在足球中你不可能一直赢。但你能做的是,你可以带来你自己的价值、你自己的经验、你自己的品质,并努力帮助你身边的每个人变得更好,成为你想看到的球队。
Original English
[Bruno Fernandes]: Look, the the game I looked before I came here was I think Burnley, United Burnley and United loses at home 2-1. I don't remember exactly but I know I know they've lost that game and it was just like days before I came and I was like I I still think there is there's a lot of potential in that team and a part of having potential that team. I'm joining one of the biggest clubs in the world and I know that clubs go through periods where things don't go the way they want but sometimes it's not just because they're not great. It's just because other teams are being better than them. And that's that's fine because in football you're not going to win all the time. But the thing you can do is like you can bring your own values, your own experience, your own qualities and trying to help everyone else around you to become better to become the team you want to see.
[布鲁诺·费尔南德斯]: 我认为在那个时期,虽然经历了疫情等种种变故,但从那时到赛季结束,球队的表现是令人难以置信的。接下来的那个赛季我们拿到了第二名,尽管在某些时刻我们很难跟上曼城的步伐——他们在赛季末表现得非常出色。但对我来说,并不是“我会去解决那个问题”或者“我是解决所有问题的魔法粉末”。但我确实知道这家俱乐部有独特之处,对我来说,加盟这里就像是“我可以成为让它重新变得伟大的过程的一部分”,我至今仍然相信这一点。显然,这需要时间,花费的时间比我想象的要长,这确实是的。但在当时,我的脑海里有太多的梦想,现在它们依然在那里,依然有很多我想去实现的成就。这个在2020年加盟这里的家伙,至今依然是那个渴望在这家俱乐部赢得胜利并取得成功的同一个人。
Original English
[Bruno Fernandes]: And I think at that time that period of then we'd the co time and all the stuff but that period from there to the end of the season the team was unbelievable. and the season after we got second place and because we struggled in certain moments of keeping keeping up to to the standard of city that had a very good end of season but for me was like I wasn't like I I'll fix that. I was like I'm going to be the the magic magic powder that's going to solve all the problems. But I really knew that this club had something special and for me to join it was was like I can be part of something that is going to become great again and I still believe that and obviously it can take time it's taking more time than I thought. Yes, of course. But at that time I had too many dreams in my head and uh they still are here and still a lot of things that I want to achieve. But this smile and this guy that came here in 2020 is is still is still is still the same guy that wants to to win and succeed at this club.
曼联的文化演变与不可妥协的尊重
[主持人]: 我在想,因为这些年来关于曼联的环境有很多说法。我知道一些关于亚历克斯·弗格森爵士在这里时的环境,因为我采访过很多他的球员,而且我以前去过卡灵顿基地,实际上去过场地,坐在贵宾休息室里,服务员走过来跟我聊起亚历克斯·弗格森爵士在这里时的情景,以及他如何记得每个人的名字,然后情况又是如何改变的。得到这些反馈对我来说真的很有意思,因为这突显了文化中的微小细节如何能产生巨大的影响,甚至直接影响到球员在场上的表现。加里·内维尔(Gary Neville)曾跟我讲过一个关于温迪(Wendy)和她的慈善签名球的故事。他告诉我,有些球员走过温迪身边,她拿着一个为当地慈善机构准备的待签名的慈善球,有一天有几个球员没有签,亚历克斯·弗格森爵士下楼来,用他的话说,把我们痛骂了一顿。去关心文化中如此微小的细节是一件奇特的事,但随着时间的推移,加里告诉我,他理解了为什么弗格森爵士会如此在意。所以我的问题实际上是关于这家俱乐部的文化演变,也是球迷们极度渴望知道的——从你2018年到达至今,这里发生了怎样的变化,感觉有什么不同?
Original English
[Interviewer]: I'm wondering, you know, because there's been so much said about the environment at Manchester United over the years. I I know a little bit about the environment when Sir Alex Ferguson was here because I interviewed a lot of his players and having been to Carrington before and uh actually going to the grounds and actually sitting in the hospitality lounge and waitresses coming over to me and talking about when Sir Alex Ferguson was here and how he knew everyone's name and then how it changed. I it was really interesting to me to get a lot of this feedback because it highlighted how small things in culture can have a big impact right down to the the way players play. And there's always a story that Gary Neville told me about with Wendy and her charity balls. He told me a story of players walking past Wendy who got the charity ball signed for a local charity and one day a couple of them didn't sign it and Sir Alex Ferguson came downstairs and he quote [__] killed us. And it's it's a strange thing to do like to care that much about a small detail in culture, but over time Gary told me he he understands why Sir Alex Ferguson cared so much. So my question to you is really about the cultural evolution at this club and what the fans are desperate to know about like how it's changed and how it feels different from the time you arrived in 2018 up until today.
[布鲁诺·费尔南德斯]: 我带来了我的行为举止、我的成长环境以及所有这些东西。我认为每一个不同的球员都为俱乐部带来了不同的东西。但我认为有一件事是必须始终存在的,那就是对他人的尊重。我认为这对我来说是不可妥协的。如果任何球员来到这个俱乐部,却不尊重物理治疗师、不尊重安保人员、不尊重我们所有前台的人员、不尊重在餐厅为我们工作的人员、厨师以及所有在我们身边照顾我们的人——即使你看不见它或者不这样认为——对我来说,尊重始终必须存在,这是不可妥协的。不仅是尊重,还有关怀,你需要关心他们。因为如果你在俱乐部里有尊重和关怀的良好基础,情况就会变得更好,环境会变得更好,一切都会变得更加积极。
Original English
[Bruno Fernandes]: I've brought in my behavior, my the way I've been raised and all these things. And I think every different player has brought different things to the to the club. But I think one of the things that has to be always there is the respect for people. And I think that says for me is a non-negotiable thing. Like if any player comes to this club and he doesn't respect the physios, the pe the stewards, the people that are in all the desks we have here, the people that work for us in the restaurant, the chefs and all these people that are around us taking care of us. Even if you don't see it or if you don't think it or whatever is for me is a non-negotiable thing that the respect has to be always there. And more than respect, the care you need to care about them because if you have a good foundation, a good base of respect and and care in in your club, it's going to get better. The environment gets better. Everything is more positive
[布鲁诺·费尔南德斯]: 这可能是我的成长方式。我以同样的方式对待每一个人。我对待球员的方式,和我对待保洁阿姨、前台人员或门口的安保人员没有任何区别。如果我对这些人说早上好,我也会对那些人说早上好,我不会改变这一点。如果我与这些人握手,我也会与那些人握手。如果我像问候队友一样问候他们,他们就会觉得是其中的一部分,会觉得参与了进来,会觉得和队友一样重要。哪怕知道他们的角色截然不同,因为CEO的角色是一回事,但如果保洁人员没有把所有地方打扫干净、准备妥当,你会注意到事情不对劲,你会注意到这不是一个你想工作的地方。你不会想成为一家到处都是垃圾的公司的CEO。既然如此,你为什么不问候那个照顾你、照顾你的工作环境、让这里看起来如此体面并在外界人员进来时产生好印象的人呢?
Original English
[Bruno Fernandes]: because I think and and this is probably the way I've been raised. I treat everyone in the same way. I don't treat the players in a way that I don't treat the clean lady or the people that are in the front desk or the people that the stewards and at the entrance. You know, if I say good morning to these ones, I say good morning to this ones. I don't change that. If I give an shake to this ones, I give an shake to this one. If I greet them as I'm greeting my teammates, they will feel part of it. They will feel involved. They will feel as important as them. Even knowing that the role of them is completely different of the other ones because the the role of a CEO is one thing. But if the cleaner doesn't clean everything nice and leaves everything prepared and well well done and everything, you will notice that something is wrong. You will notice that this is not the place where you want to work for. You do you notice that you don't want to be the CEO of a company that has trash everywhere. And so why wouldn't you greet the person that takes care of you, takes care of your place to look so good and to make an impact when people come in from the outside?
[主持人]: 这让我想起了乔尼·艾维(Jony Ive)说过的一些话。乔尼·艾维是著名的苹果设计师,设计了我们熟知和喜爱的所有苹果产品。他说,人很难直接感受到被关怀,但他接着说,每个人在别人不关心的时候都能立刻感受到。你去一家餐厅,如果他们不在乎,通过小细节就能看出来。他说,关怀就像是背景中的一种氛围,当你到达某个地方时,你无法确切指出它是什么,但你能感受到它。
Original English
[Interviewer]: It reminds me of something actually Johnny IV said. So Johnny IV is the famous Apple designer that designed all the Apple products that we know and love. And he said um it's very hard to feel care. He goes but everyone can feel when someone didn't care. You go to a restaurant and they didn't care. Small things. He goes but it's like he said um care is just this thing in the background this ambient feeling you have when you arrive somewhere but you can't you can't like point out exactly what it is but you can feel it.
[布鲁诺·费尔南德斯]: 就是这样。我认为这更多是你能感受到却看不见的东西。说到保洁人员这一点,我妈妈以前就是做家政清洁工作的。所以我从来不希望雇我妈妈清洁房子的人对她不好,或者贬低她为他们所做的工作。例如现在我家里雇了一位家政阿姨,我不允许我的孩子们对她态度恶劣,我不允许孩子们对她说“把那个拿走放回原处”。在她第一天来工作时我就对她说过:“如果有什么东西没放对地方,显然我想让你清理,想让你归位。但我不想让我的孩子们对你颐指气使,说‘去整理那个’或‘把这个放好’。不,如果他们需要什么,可以请求你,但首先他们必须有礼貌。如果有些事他们自己做不到,他们必须礼貌地请求你。但如果那是他们自己能做的事,你必须让他们自己做。不能说‘哦,你来做’。不,只需要解释给他们怎么做,向他们展示方法,让他们从中学习。”这大概就是我对跟我一起工作的人的行为方式。这在很大程度上源于我的背景,因为我不愿意看到我妈妈受到那样的对待——虽然我当时不在那些房子里,显然我不知道他们是否对她好。我妈妈从来没对我说过她服务的任何人对她不好,或者以恶劣的方式对待她。所以这真的让我明白,正因为我不希望我妈妈遭遇这些,我也不会这样对待其他人。
Original English
[Bruno Fernandes]: That's the thing. I think it's more that you feel it but you don't see it. And I think touching this point I was I was talking about cleaners. My mom was a she was cleaning houses for work. So I never wanted the people that were cleaning the house to treat my mom badly or let's say downgrade the work she's doing for them because for example now I have a person that works in my house. I don't allow my kids to talk badly to her. I don't allow my kids to say grab that and put it in place. And I said it to her in the first day she came to work and I said if something is not in the in the right place obviously I want you to clean. I want you to put things in place. I want all of this. But I don't want my kids to tell you oh that uh arrange that or put this in place. No. If they want something they can ask you but first of all they need to be respectful. If they can't make it they have to ask you but in the respect way. But if it's something that they can make you have to make them make it. Not like, oh, you do it. No, just explain them how to do it. Show them the way so they learn with it. And this probably the way I behave with the people that work with me. It comes a lot because of my background of not like it to see my mom because I was not in the houses. Obviously, I don't know if they treated well or not. My mom never said to me that any of the people that she work for were bad bad to her or treat her in a in a bad way. So I really think that that made me understand that because I I don't want that for my mom, I won't make that to other people.
曼联的引援策略:性格重于品质
[主持人]: 我从小就是个曼联球迷,我的兄弟姐妹都出生在曼彻斯特。正如我之前对你所说,我出生在非洲的博茨瓦纳,但因为我有两个比我大的哥哥是曼联球迷,我很快也成了曼联球迷。我记得自己三四岁的时候就是了,然后到了18岁,我尽我所能从西南地区搬到了曼彻斯特,住在这里并去现场看了我人生中的第一场曼联比赛。我目睹了俱乐部经历的这段令人难以置信的旅程,从弗格森爵士时代到这段过渡期,再到我们现在的处境。这是我的观察,我诚实的观察:在后弗格森时代,俱乐部在引援和文化方面做出了一些糟糕的决定。人们经常谈论埃德·伍德沃德(Ed Woodward)在签球员时的策略有点轻浮。然后你看看我们当时的那帮球员,作为在场下观看的曼联球迷,我觉得当时文化有些混乱,因为并不像现在这样似乎对价值观有着强大的核心共识。当时感觉有点,我不知道,有点像是我们签下球员是因为他们出名或名气大,而不是因为他们合适。而当我看着现在的俱乐部,我觉得“哦,这帮家伙挺合适”。现在做引援的人都在考虑性格。在过去的几年里,俱乐部似乎经历了一个清除不符合性格画像的球员的过程。我认为阿姆拉巴特(Sofyan Amrabat)确实说到了这一点,他谈到了清除那些没有正确性格画像的球员。我想再补充一句:我曾与很多俱乐部过去和现在的球员交流过,他们也向我表达了同样的看法,即过去确实存在性格画像的问题,而现在这个问题已经得到了解决。
Original English
[Interviewer]: I've been a Man United fan since I was a kid. So like my siblings were born in Manchester. I was saying to you before I was born in um in Botswana in Africa, but because I've got two older brothers who are Man United fans, I very quickly became a Manchester United fan. I remember like 3 four years old and then as soon as I could when I was 18, I moved up from the southwest to Manchester at 18 years old and I lived here and went to my first Manchester United games. I've seen the club go on this incredible journey um from you know Sorax Ferguson's era to this sort of period of transition to where we are now and it's my observation my honest observation that after in the post Fergie era the club made some bad decisions as it relates to recruitment and culture. Um people often talk about um Edwards I'm not going to I'm not going to try and stitch you up in any way or get you to talk about anything in particular. I'm just expressing my opinion. They talk about Ed Woodward's uh strategy towards signing players and it being a bit flippant and then you look at the sort of group of lads that we had and just as a United fan watching on the pitch, I felt the culture was a bit confused because it didn't seem like it seems now where it seems like there's this really strong central agreement around the values. It felt a bit I don't know a bit like we had signed players because they were famous or big but not because they fit. And I feel when I look at the club now, I go, "Oh, these guys kind of fit." And whoever's doing recruiting is thinking about character. It feels to me like there's been this process over the last couple of years of getting rid of the wrong character profiles. And I think Amaran really spoke to this. He really talked about getting rid of the players that didn't have the right character profile. Just to add one more line to this. I've spoken to a lot of players at the club in past and present and they expressed the same to me as well that there was an issue with sort of character profile that has now been solved for.
[布鲁诺·费尔南德斯]: 我认为俱乐部这些年犯的主要错误是,我们从一个教练换到另一个教练,而他们的风格非常不同。这已经是一个糟糕的迹象了,这并非引援本身的问题,因为随后你带进来的球员是符合那个主教练的。但下一任主教练来的时候,踢法完全不同,你之前买的三四个或五个球员就不再适应了。然后你又不得不买另外四五个。俱乐部策略的不断改变,或者我们想踢球的方式的不断改变,这并不是最好的做法,因为显然这会导致球员不再合适。这与其说是性格的问题,不如说是体系的问题。当然我们可以谈论性格,确实有些球员并不完全适合俱乐部,但你在把他们带到俱乐部之前是永远不会知道的。我认为有时你可以看出来,我觉得可以通过球员在场上的行为或者在社交媒体上的行为等,看出他们是否适合这家俱乐部。我认为正如你刚才所说,俱乐部最核心的事情是必须带进好的性格,因为这对于建立一些东西来说,比优秀的品质更重要,因为优秀的品质他们都会有。你不可能把一个没有品质的球员带到曼联。但如果你能把优秀的品质和性格结合起来,那就是双赢,因为优秀品质可能会有起伏——球员会经历有时踢得非常好、有时踢得非常差的时期,但性格是一成不变的。而这正是你想要的性格:当他们处于低谷时,有正确的性格推自己走向高峰;或者同时在他们处于低谷时,有正确的性格去推动其他人在顶级水平上表现。我认为这是俱乐部在引援方面最核心的工作:首先要带进那些想留在曼联、想为曼联踢球的人,而不仅仅是因为曼联是一家豪门。他们想留在这里,是因为这是他们想并真正理解自己渴望随这家俱乐部取得成功的俱乐部。他们想把这家俱乐部带回我们习惯看到的曼联时代。我知道已经过去12、13年了,我知道,但我们希望这段时间越短越好,重新成为那个赢得了20次英超冠军、在英超中并列最多的俱乐部。
Original English
[Bruno Fernandes]: I think the main mistake that the club has done through the years that we've changed manager to manager, they were very different and that's already a bad sign not of recruitment because then you bring in players that fit that manager. But the next one you brought plays a completely different way and the three or four or five that you bought don't fit this one anymore. And then you have to buy another four or five and then the constantly change of strategy in in in the club or in the way we wanted to play or whatsoever was not was not the best because then obviously it becomes that the players don't suit anymore. The system is not even more the character than it comes up but it's more the system. Then obviously we can talk about character that players that were certain players that were not a perfect fit for the club but you never know it until you bring it to the club. I think sometimes you can see it and I think is there players that I think the club by the behavior they have on the pitch or the behavior they have on on social media whatsoever you can see if they will be a fit for the club or not. And I think the main thing for the club as you said there you need to bring good characters because that will be more important to build something that good qualities because good qualities they all they will have. You don't bring a player to Man United that doesn't have qualities. But if you can add the qualities to the character, that's a win-win because the qualities will be moment that the quality won't be as good as you want because players go through periods that sometimes they play very good, sometimes they play very bad, but the character remains the same. And that's the character you want where they are on a low to be the right character to push himself to be on a high or at the same time when they are on the low to be the right character to push the other ones to be at at the top level. And I think that's the main thing that the club has to do in terms of recruitment and everything is bringing people first of all that want to be a Man United to play for Man United, not to be a Man United just because it's a big club. They want to be here because this is the club they think and they really understand that they want to succeed with this club. They want to bring this club back to the days we were used to see Man United. I know it's been 12, 13 years. I know, but we want that to get as short as possible to become that club that won 20 Premier League titles and is joined the most in the Premier League.
[主持人]: 所以在足球俱乐部中,性格比品质更重要,因为品质总是能得到的,而且你可以去提高它。这是我从帕特里斯·埃弗拉(Patrice Evra)那里听到的。我记得他告诉我,他在机场(我想是在法国)遇到了亚历克斯·弗格森爵士,弗格森爵士让他坐下,问他:“你愿意为曼联而死吗?”他说:“是的。”于是弗格森爵士和他握了手,说:“欢迎来到曼联。”这是一种不同的引援方式。他不是在测试他能不能把球踢好,而是在测试他是否拥有弗格森和前几代曼联人真正非常在意的胸怀和心态。
Original English
[Interviewer]: So character in a football club is more important than the quality because the quality you always going to get it and you can improve it. This is what I heard from Patrice Ever. I remember him telling me that he met Sir Alex Ferguson in in an airport, I think in France, and Sir Alex Ferguson sat him down and said, "Are you willing to die for Manchester United?" And he said, "Yes." And so he shook his hand. He said, "Welcome to Manchester United." And that's a different way of recruiting. He's not testing if he can kick a ball well. He's testing if he's got the heart and that mentality that I think Fergie and previous sort of cohorts of Manchester United really really cared about.
[布鲁诺·费尔南德斯]: 我认为亚历克斯爵士显然在引援上也犯过错误,因为显然并不是每个球员都很伟大,但他总是在任何时候、任何时刻都带进能融入俱乐部的球员,我认为这是引援中最核心的事情。虽然这并不是我该参与的事情,但我会说,我理解俱乐部经历过不同的教练进来,带着不同的踢法等等,但引援必须是为了曼联。因为球员通常会得到一份5年的合同,而教练会得到2年,你知道如果有些事情无法正常运转,俱乐部通常会换掉教练,但球员会留下来。所以你需要为俱乐部去引进球员。无论进来的主教练想怎么踢,球员的性格和品质必须是一成不变的,足以在曼联取得成功。
Original English
[Bruno Fernandes]: I think Sir Alex obviously he's done mistakes in recruitment too because obviously not every player was great but he always brings players in any time and any moment they would fit the club and that's the main thing I think in terms of recruitment but this is like something that is not for me to get involved but I will say it I understand the club has different manager coming in comes in and different ways of playing and whatsoever but the recruitment has to be for many United because the player will get normally a 5 years contract and the manager will get two and you know that if he's not something is not working the club [will change manager but the players remain. So you need to recruit players for the club. Whatever the manager wants to play, the character and qualities must be constant to succeed at Man United.]
📌 文中提及的人物和组织
人物: Bruno Fernandes
公司/组织: Manchester United, Sporting CP, Udinese, Novara, Boavista, FC Infesta, Watford