--- author: TVO Today date: '2026-04-14' guest: '' layout: post.njk source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZE1V9bIZOY speaker: TVO Today tags: - lookism - manosphere - online-communities - body-image - misogyny title: 深度解析网络上的男性外貌至上主义（Looksmaxxing）及其社会影响 summary: 访谈深入探讨网络男性外貌至上主义（Looksmaxxing），分析其在‘manosphere’中的定位、参与者特征、心理动因及与厌女主义的关联。揭示社群如何提供简化答案，以及自我实验风险和负面自我价值感信息，并与女性社会压力比较，探讨其对年轻男性的启示。 insight: '' draft: true series: '' category: politics-society area: society-thinking project: [] people: - Michael Halpin companies_orgs: - Dalhousie University products_models: [] media_books: [] status: evergreen --- ### 网络上的男性外貌至上主义（Looksmaxxing）初探 **主持人**: “外貌至上主义（Looksmaxxing）不仅仅关乎饮食、运动或选择合适的服装。那些想要‘Mog’（即通过外表更胜一筹来超越其他男性）的男性，不惜采取极端手段来追求他们眼中所谓的身体上的完美。**迈克尔·哈尔平**（Michael Halpin）是**戴尔豪斯大学**（Dalhousie University）社会学与社会人类学系的副教授，他研究了一个月访问量达600万的在线“外貌至上主义”社群。他和他的合著者分析了超过8000条论坛讨论评论，今天他来到节目中。迈克尔，很高兴您能来参加节目。”
Original English **Host**: "Looksmaxxing isn't just about diet and exercise or choosing the right outfit. Guys who want to Mog, which is showing other guys up because they're better looking, are willing to go to extreme lengths to achieve what they see as physical perfection. Michael Halpin is an associate professor in the Department of Sociology and Social Anthropology at Dalhousie University, who has conducted research on an online looksmaxxing community that receives 6 million unique visitors per month. He and his co-authors Analyze more than 8000 discussion board comments, and he joins me on the line. Michael, great to have you on the program."
**迈克尔·哈尔平**: “很高兴来到这里。非常感谢您的邀请。”
Original English **Michael Halpin**: "Great to be here. Thank you very much for having me."
### Looksmaxxing 与 Manosphere 的关联 **主持人**: “请帮助我们理解，“外貌至上主义（Looksmaxxing）”在所谓的‘**Manosphere**’（男性圈）中是如何定位的？”
Original English **Host**: "Help us understand how does Looksmaxxing fit into the quote unquote manosphere?"
**迈克尔·哈尔平**: “嗯，实际上是两方面。‘Looksmaxxing’作为一个‘Manosphere’社群，与其他‘Manosphere’社群类似，例如**白人至上主义者**、‘**red pill’（红药丸）信徒**、**男性权利活动家**、**‘incels’（非自愿独身者）**。它是一个在线社群，男性在此汇聚，交流心得。这些心得主要集中在改善他们的外貌。同时，他们也在谈论女性和社会，从很多角度来看。他们认为女性只根据性吸引力来追求男性，并且只追求外貌最具吸引力的男性，这与其他几个‘Manosphere’社群非常相似。并且像其他‘Manosphere’社群一样，他们相信女性、女权主义者、进步派正在系统性地对男性和男孩发动战争，男性正在失去公民权利，而女性拥有过多的权利和自主权。除此之外，‘Looksmaxxing’也是一种实践，并且是许多‘Manosphere’社群中存在的实践。例如在白人至上主义社群、‘incel’社群、‘red pill’社群中。其核心理念是，通过拥有吸引人的外貌可以获得收益。因此，每个人都应尽力使自己的外貌最具吸引力，以获得由此带来的优势。所以，最简单的理解方式是，它是一个‘Manosphere’社群。有些实践已经离开了这个社群，进入了其他‘Manosphere’社群。还有些‘Looksmaxxing’的实践变得非常流行，并已经广泛延伸到了‘Manosphere’之外。它们出现在**TikTok**和**YouTube**上，许多可能不太熟悉‘Manosphere’的人也可能熟悉‘mewing’（猫叫式呼吸）和‘bone smashing’（骨骼重塑）等‘Looksmaxxing’实践。”
Original English **Michael Halpin**: "Yeah, well, two ways really. So Looksmaxxing is a manosphere community like other manosphere communities for white nationalists, red pillars, men's rights activists, incels. So it is an online community where men meet, they exchange tips. Those tips primarily are on improving their physical appearance. And while they're doing that, they're also talking about women in society in many ways. So arguing that women only pursue men based on their sexuality and that they only pursue the most physically attractive men, which is very similar to other several other manosphere communities. And like other manosphere communities, believing that women, feminists, progressives are waging a systematic war against men and boys, men have been losing their civil rights and women have too much rights, too much agency. Besides that, looksmaxxing is also a practice, and it's a practice done in many manosphere communities. So white nationalist communities, incel communities, red pill communities. And it's this idea that we reap gains from being physically attractive. And so it's in every man's interest to be as physically attractive as possible, to receive the advantages that you get from being physically attractive. So kind of the easiest way to think about it is that it's a manosphere community. There are practices that have left that community and gone into other manosphere communities, and then there's looksmaxxing practices that have gotten very popular and have extended well outside the manosphere. And they're on TikTok, YouTube, people who may not even be very familiar with the manosphere are familiar with some of these looksmaxxing practices, like mewing and bone smashing."
### 参与者的人口统计学特征 **主持人**: “好的。我们稍后会谈谈这些。但请帮助我们理解，很明显，这些人都是参与该群体（社群）的男性。请帮助我们多了解一下参与者的**人口统计学特征**。年龄段是怎样的？是否存在不同的**种族和民族**？”
Original English **Host**: "All right. We'll talk about that a little bit later. But help us understand, obviously, one thing's clear. These are men who are participating in the group. Help us understand a little bit more about the demographics. What's the age group? Is it different ethnicities as well?"
**迈克尔·哈尔平**: “是的。我们没有确切的数据，因为所有这些在线社群都存在一定程度的匿名性。根据我查看的数据，我们看到的年龄范围包括**13、14岁的男孩**。他们正处于青春期。**18到22岁的男性**尤其受欢迎，也就是大学生群体。所以从初中到大学是一个非常受欢迎的年龄段。然后一直到**30多岁**、**接近40岁的男性**。其中一些男性可能经历过离婚，他们转而求助于‘Looksmaxxing’，认为这能帮助他们在约会市场上重新立足。它**在种族和民族上也出奇地多样化**。很多人可能错误地认为这些社群主要是年轻白人男性的聚集地，但事实并非如此。我们看到很多**黑人男性**、**亚裔男性**、**南亚裔男性**参与其中。他们在这方面是相当多元化的。”
Original English **Michael Halpin**: "Yeah. So we don't have exact data on this because there's some anonymity with all these online communities and the data that I've looked at, the age ranges that we're seeing is boys who are as young as like 13, 14. So they're just, you know, in the midst of puberty, really very popular amongst men who were 18 to 22. So your university age students. So something from junior high to university is a very popular age group. And then all the way up to men who are in their 30s, men who are getting close to their 40s. So some of these men have, say, gone through a divorce and they're looking to looksmaxxing as their thinking to get back on the dating market racially and ethnically. It is also surprisingly diverse. So I think a lot of people have this mischaracterisation mixed characterization of these communities as being predominantly young white men, and that's not the case. We see a lot of black men participating in these communities Asian men, South Asian men. They are quite ethnically and racially diverse."
### 年轻男性如何被吸引 **主持人**: “谈到13岁的孩子，人们不禁要问，一个13岁的孩子是如何被卷入这样的事情中的？”
Original English **Host**: "Talk about 13 year olds. One has to ask, how does a 13 year old get pulled into something like this?"
**迈克尔·哈尔平**: “是的，好问题。正如我之前提到的，‘Looksmaxxing’不仅仅是一个社群，它还包含一套**实践**。比如，‘这种手术对你有好处’，或者‘把舌头抵在上颚’，这样你就会更有吸引力。这些实践在许多社交媒体环境中已经病毒式传播。所以，你可能是一个13岁的孩子，在TikTok上看到一个关于‘bone smashing’或‘mewing’的视频，这就会把你带入这个社群。同样，有人可能通过其他‘Looksmaxxing’或‘Manosphere’社群接触到这些内容，比如‘Men's Rights’（男性权利）社群，或者他们可能会看**白人至上主义**社群，因为他们觉得这很酷，或者觉得13岁时做一些‘禁忌’的事情很有趣，从而通过这种方式接触到这些社群。另一个因素是，你知道，初中生和年轻男性们绝对在谈论这些社群。这些东西在初中就很流行。在教授和媒体人士谈论‘Looksmaxxing’之前，它就已经在初中流行了。所以，不幸的是，它已经是他们文化的一部分了。”
Original English **Michael Halpin**: "Yeah. Great question. Great question. So as I mentioned earlier, one of the things about Looksmaxxing is Looksmaxxing is not just a community, it's a set of practices. So things like, you know, this surgery works for you or press your tongue against the roof of your mouth. In this way, you'll be more attractive. And those practices have gone viral in many social media environments. So you can be a 13 year old on TikTok and see a video about bone smashing or a video about mewing. And that brings you to this community. Similarly, someone might get exposure to another Looksmaxxing or another manosphere community, like, say, a men's rights community, or they might look at a white nationalist community because they think it's edgy and like a forbidden thing to do when you're 13 and find exposure to these communities through through that way. The other thing is that, you know, kids who are in young men, boys who are in junior high are absolutely talking about these communities. So these are these are things that, you know, they were popular in junior high. Looksmaxxing was popular in junior highs before professors and media personalities were talking about it. So it's something that's been a part of their culture for a while. Unfortunately."
### Identity Formation and Self-Worth **主持人**: “您提到了这些男性的年龄很小。您提到了青春期。青春期是身份形成的时候，对吧？我们试图了解自己。我很好奇，这些群体是否为男性提供了一种‘**找出自己是谁**’的途径？”
Original English **Host**: "You talked about, you know, how young these men are. You mentioned puberty. Adolescence is a time when, you know, is it time for your identity to be created? You know, when we're trying to learn about ourselves, I am curious, are these groups giving men a sort of a path to sort of figure out who they are?"
**迈克尔·哈尔平**: “是的，他们提供了一条‘找出自己是谁’的途径。我认为这条途径，我们稍后会谈到的，不是一条好途径。在看待女性、看待**种族和种族主义**方面，它不是好途径。在看待**自身身体和自我价值**方面，它也不是好途径。我认为‘Looksmaxxing’社群在做的一件事是，为那些可能觉得从其他渠道无法获得信息的男性和男孩提供指导和指示。他们为年轻男性和男孩感觉自己面临的问题提供答案，而这些答案可能从其他来源听不到。他们非常认真地对待‘**Lookism**’（颜值歧视）这个问题。‘Lookism’是一种非常真实的偏见和歧视。心理学家、社会学家对此进行了研究。我们确实会基于一个人是否外貌出众来不公平地评判他人。他们很认真地看待这一点。我认为，在社会上，他们是为数不多的能看到围绕‘Lookism’进行讨论的论坛之一。我们也许都应该更好地参与到‘Lookism’的讨论中，提供一些反驳‘Manosphere’给这些年轻男孩的论调。”
Original English **Michael Halpin**: "Yeah, they're giving them a pass to figure out who they are. And that path, I think, is, you know, we'll talk about this, I'm sure, sure, in a moment. That path is not a good path and it's not a good path in terms of how they see women, how they see race and racism. And it's not a good path in terms of how they see their own body and self-worth. I think one of the things that these Looksmaxxing communities are doing is they're providing some guidance, some instructions for men and boys who maybe feel like they're not getting that information from other resources they're providing answers for, for problems that young men and boys feel that they face, that maybe they're not hearing answers, better answers from other sources. And they take this issue of Lookism very seriously. And Lookism is like a really very real form of bias and discrimination. It's been studied by psychologists, by sociologists. We do unfairly judge people based on if they're physically attractive or not. And they take that seriously. And I think they're one of the few forums in society where you see a discourse around that. And we could probably all be better about engaging with this idea of lookism to provide some kind of counter responses to what manosphere is giving these young boys."
### Manosphere 社群的共同点 **主持人**: “您提到了‘incel’群体、‘白人至上主义’（white nationalists）。有大量的噪音，这些群体内部也有很多相互冲突的信息。就‘Manosphere’的宏观图景而言，请帮助我们理解，是什么将它们全部联系在一起？”
Original English **Host**: "You talk about, you know, the incel groups, the white nationalists, there is a lot of noise. There's also a lot of conflicting messages within the within these groups as well in terms of the bigger picture of the manosphere, help us understand what connects them all together."
**迈克尔·哈尔平**: “简而言之，将所有这些‘Manosphere’群体联系在一起的是什么？它们确实存在一些矛盾的观点，比如，有些群体只关注‘白人’身份。有些群体拒绝‘性’和‘性’与‘性’别（sexuality）。有些群体关注获得**社会地位**，看起来很富有。而‘Looksmaxxing’关注的是**外貌**。所以，乍一看，它们似乎是矛盾的或多样的。我认为将它们联系在一起的真正纽带是**厌女主义**（misogyny）。将所有这些社群凝聚在一起的是，他们认为女性是**性对象**，认为女性是**动物性的**，她们的约会选择是基于生物学的。女性不像男性那样拥有相同的认知潜能或能力，并且女性获得了过多的权利，过多的自主权，我们需要严格限制女性的权利和自主权。所以，禁止女性上大学，禁止女性就业，尤其是在男性希望主导的领域，并且禁止女性通过离婚或离婚法寻求任何形式的资源。所以，真正将他们联系在一起的是限制女性权利的想法，以及女性不像男性那样拥有自主权的想法。”
Original English **Michael Halpin**: "Yeah. I mean, in a nutshell, what connects all these groups in manosphere? They do have some contradictory views, as you know, you know, some groups, it's all about being white. Some groups, they reject section sex, sex and sexuality. Some groups it's about obtaining social status, you know, looking like you're wealthy. And then looksmaxxing is about physical appearance. So they, they seem contradictory or diverse at first glance. The thing that's the thread that unites them all and is, I would argue, is misogyny. So the thing that coheres all these communities together is that they think that women are sexual objects. They think that women are animalistic, that they make decisions about who they date based on biology. Women do not have the same cognitive potential or abilities as men do, and that women have been given too many rights, they've been given too much agency, and we need to heavily restrict women's rights and agency. So no more women going to university, women not working in employment, particularly in fields where men want to dominate and women not being able to seek any sort of resources through divorce or divorce laws. So a really the thing that keeps them together is this idea of constricting women's rights and the idea that women are not agents the same way that men are."
### 简单答案的吸引力与“回声室效应” **主持人**: “以一种奇怪的方式，人们可以看待它，并觉得，‘这里的观点非常非黑即白’。在一个充满如此多噪音的世界里，对于一个试图 navigate（应对）世界的年轻男性来说，这是一个可以排除噪音的地方。您如何看待这一点？”
Original English **Host**: "In a weird way, one could look at it and be like, you know, the the views here are quite black and white. And, you know, in a world where there is so much noise, for a young man trying to navigate the world, this is a place where they can cut that out. How do you how do you view that?"
**迈克尔·哈尔平**: “是的，我认为这是完全正确的。你知道，现在这个世界充满了复杂的**问题**。今天打开新闻，会有无数复杂的难题。我们正生活在一个复杂而令人不安的时代。很多人都在挣扎。这些社群为人们提供了**简单**的答案来应对这些复杂的问题。所以，你知道，那些可能在许多方面挣扎的年轻男性和男孩，他们会去这些社群，并找到一个非常简化的答案来解决他们所有的问题，那就是‘指责女性’、‘指责进步派’。这把非常复杂的事情总结成了一个非常易于理解的格式。另一件事是，这些社群最终会像一个**回声室**（echo chamber）一样运作。所以，你可以想象一下，你如何与人交流，比如在餐桌旁、在酒吧、在大学课堂里，以及所有其他形式的交流。社交媒体所做的一件事，而且不只是我研究的社群，许多其他社交媒体平台也会这样做，那就是它们会惩罚或排斥持有不同观点的人。所以，如果你在这些社群里，并且试图提供一些细微的差别，或者试图提供一些矛盾的证据或解释，你可能会被赶出这些社群，你会被噤声。而你剩下看到的，只是非常简单的、人们对复杂问题提供非黑即白答案的解释。*”
Original English **Michael Halpin**: "Yeah, I think that's absolutely true. You know, all these, like, the world is full of complex problems right now. Turn on the news today. There's going to be so many complex problems. We're living in complex and troubling times. Many people are struggling. These communities give people simple answers to these complex questions. So, you know, young men and boys who might be struggling in many ways, they're going to these communities and they're finding a very simplistic, answer to all their problems, which is blame women, blame progressives. And it's summing up, really complicated things in really digestible format. The other thing is, is that these communities end up functioning like an echo chamber. So you think about how you have discussions with people, around your kitchen table at a bar, in university classes, all these other forms. One thing that social media does and, you know, not just the community that I study, but many other social media platforms, is that they penalize or ostracize people with divergent views. So if you're in these communities and you're trying to provide some nuance, or you're trying to provide some contradictory evidence or explanations, you can get banned from these communities, you can get silenced. And what you have left over is just simplistic. People providing black and white answers to complex problems."
### Looksmaxxing 论坛的内容 **主持人**: “好的。我想换个话题，进行一个更宏大的对话，关于‘Looksmaxxing’。你知道，当有人进入这些频道、这些论坛时，他们在看什么？从我的理解来看，人们会上传自己的照片，向大家展示，然后接受一些对话。我不知道这是否有帮助，但请帮助我们理解。”
Original English **Host**: "All right. I want to shift gears and have, how about a bigger conversation that looks maxing? You know, when someone goes into, one of these channels, these forums, what are they what are they looking at? Is it, you know, from what I understand, people are uploading photos of themselves opening themselves up to sort of conversation. Helpful, I don't know, but help us understand."
**迈克尔·哈尔平**: “我得说，有时候你能看到一些有用的建议和鼓励，但总的来说，它是**负面且充满敌意**的内容。我研究的社群，‘Looksmaxxing’在TikTok上的样子就像TikTok，在YouTube上的样子就像YouTube。我研究的那个社群，非常类似于**Reddit**。它会是一个类似的网站。所以，你进入这个社群，你会看到一个讨论板。讨论板上有话题。有两个主要的讨论板。其中一个是**评分讨论板**。在这个评分讨论板上，你发布你的脸部照片。我会从大约4到5个不同的角度发布我的照片。然后其他用户会告诉我我有多有吸引力，通常是在10分制上。他们会说，‘哦，你是个4分，你是个5分，你是个5.5分。’然后他们会告诉我你需要做什么**手术**，需要服用什么**荷尔蒙**，比如应该服用**类固醇**（steroids）或者，你知道，剃光头，或者留胡子。然后还有另一个讨论板，是关于‘Looksmaxxing’的**技巧和想法**。在这个版块，年轻男性和男孩们会了解到在哪里购买**合成类固醇**（anabolic steroids）、在哪里购买**荷尔蒙**，以及哪些是**黑市**、**灰市网站**。所以，有些是非法的，有些是非法的网站，他们可以从中购买药物和荷尔蒙。还有关于人们接受了哪些**外科手术**以及效果如何的信息。比如**鼻整形术**（rhinoplasty）、**颌面手术**（jaw surgeries）、**腿部延长术**（leg lengthening surgeries）。所以，所有技巧和窍门都在这个讨论板里。”
Original English **Michael Halpin**: "Yeah. I will say, like, sometimes you you do see some helpful advice and encouragement on there, but by and large, it is, negative and hostile content. The communities themselves, the community that I study. So there's looks, Maxine, on TikTok that looks like TikTok and looks Maxine on YouTube that looks like YouTube. The community that I studied, looks very similar to Reddit. It would be, like a, an analogous website. So you, you get into the community, you see a discussion board. There's topics on the discussion board. There's two main discussion boards. One of those is a ratings discussion board. And so in the ratings discussion board, you post your face. So I post my face from like 4 or 5 different angles. And then other users are going to tell me how attractive I am usually on a ten point scale. So they'd be like, oh, you're a four, you're a five, you're a 5.5. And then they would tell me what surgeries I needed, what hormones I needed to take, how I should get on steroids or, you know, shave my head or grow up my beard. And then there's another discussion board, which is just looks, Maxine, tips and ideas. So in that board, men are getting young men and boys are getting, information on where to buy things like anabolic steroids, where to buy hormones, what's black market? Gray market websites. So illegal. Some illegal, some illegal websites, they can buy, drugs and hormones from. Which surgical procedures people have gotten and how they worked for them. So things like rhinoplasty ease jaw surgeries, leg lengthening surgeries. And so all the tips and tricks are in this discussion board."
### 专业性与自我实验的危害 **主持人**: “只是为了说清楚，这些人并不是任何这些行业的专家。他们只是，你知道，尝试过并分享经验的人，对吧？”
Original English **Host**: "Just to be clear, these are not experts in any of these industries. This is, you know, people who have either tried it out and kind of are just kind of laying it out there."
**迈克尔·哈尔平**: “是的，我会说他们是专家的**对立面**。没有**医学专业人士**、**健康专业人士**参与这些社群。当健康专业人士和医学专业人士发现这些社群时，比如牙科界几年前发现了‘Looksmaxxing’，他们就非常担忧并批评它。相反，你会看到的是那些**18、22、14、27岁**的年轻人，他们从国际**黑市网站**购买荷尔蒙，给自己注射这些荷尔蒙，然后告诉其他男人是否有效。所以，从某种意义上说，他们的专业知识来自于将自己的身体当作**培养皿**（petri dish）进行实验，并将结果反馈给社群。因为他们，就像许多其他社群一样，认为科学是与他们作对的，科学是宣传，他们认为这些数据比学术期刊上的研究数据更值得信赖。所以，他们是**自我实验**（self-experimentation）的大量消费者。当然，这些社群的危害之一是，人们将产品摄入体内，却对它如何影响自己、产品到底包含什么知之甚少。并且没有任何医疗建议或监督来提供任何指导或留意任何警告信号。”
Original English **Michael Halpin**: "Yeah, I would say that they're like the antithesis of experts. So there's, there's no medical professionals, health professionals that are engaging in these communities. When health professionals and medical professionals find out about them, like the orthodontic community found out about Looksmaxxing a few years ago, they were very concerned and critical of it. Instead, what you have is guys who are, you know, 18, 22, 14, 27 doing things like buying hormones from international black market websites, injecting themselves with those hormones, and then letting other guys know if they worked or not. So in a sense, their expertise comes from treating their body like a petri dish and reporting those results back to the community. And because they, like many of these other communities, think that science is against them, that science is propaganda, they treat this data as more trustworthy than they treat data from studies in academic journals. So they're big consumers of self-experimentation. And that's, of course, one of the harms of these communities is that people are putting products into their body with little knowledge of how it's impacting them, little knowledge of what's actually in that product. And with no medical advice or oversight, providing them any guidance or to look out for any warning signs."
### 与女性面临的社会压力对比 **主持人**: “身体上的伤害或风险是显而易见的。我无法想象生理上的伤害，但人们不得不问，互联网上这些专门针对男性的论坛，与女性几百年来所面临的社会压力有何不同？”
Original English **Host**: "The physical harm or the or the risk there is, is quite obvious. I can't imagine the physiological harms as well, but one has to ask how is this different? What we're seeing in these in these forms on the internet that's specifically targeting men, different from sort of the societal pressures that women have had to face for hundreds of years."
**迈克尔·哈尔平**: “在很多方面，这与女性所面临的非常相似。我认为我们已经，你知道，我们也许已经**正常化**了年轻女性和女孩必须经历的许多压力。我认为我们没有很好地处理关于女性身体、年轻女性身体的流行文化问题或图像，女性应该是什么样的，她们的外表如何被评判。我认为我们在这方面做得不够好。我认为我们必须做得更好。尽管如此，人们可能意识到这对年轻女性和女孩来说是一个问题。我有一个年轻的女儿，就像我一样，作为一个父亲，我意识到了这些问题。我知道我必须和我女儿谈论的话题，你知道，那些父母们，他们知道诸如**身体形象**（body image）、**身体问题**、**自尊**（self-esteem）、**饮食失调**（eating disorders）之类的事情，还有过去几年变得非常流行的过度使用化妆品，以及女性如何在社交媒体上互动和被评价。所以，我认为有一点是，我们确实知道这对女性和女孩来说是一个问题。我认为关键是，它已经成为年轻男性和男孩的问题。很多人对此并不了解，年轻男性和男孩正在收到类似的信息，说他们不够有吸引力，说他们因为身体而被评判。唯一重要的是你有多‘好’，并且你应该不惜一切代价去改变你的身体，使自己更具吸引力。所以，他们接收到了许多女性也会接收到的那种负面的自我价值感信息。同时，他们还在非常**厌女**（misogynistic）、**种族主义**（racist）的社群中接收这些信息。”
Original English **Michael Halpin**: "Yeah, I think in many ways, it's really similar to what women have had to face. And I think that we've, you know, we've arguably normalized a lot of the pressures that young women and girls have to go through. I think. I don't think that we've done a good job on dealing with the kind of popular cultural issues or images about women's bodies, young women's bodies, how women should look, how they're judged on their appearance. I don't think that we've done a good job of that. I think that we have to do a much bigger, better job of that. That said, people are probably aware that that's a problem for young women and girls. They're probably I have a young daughter, like, I'm aware of these issues as a father. I know the conversations that I'm going to have to have with my daughter, you know, moms and dads out there, they, they know about things like body image, body issues, self-esteem, eating disorders, the, the use, excessive use of makeup has become tremendously popular over the last few years and how women are engaged and evaluated over social media. So I think one thing is, is that we do know it is an issue for women and girls. I think the thing is, is it's become an issue for young men and boys. And many people are unaware of that, that young men and boys are getting similar messages, that they're not attractive enough, that they're getting judged based on their bodies. The only thing matters is how good you are and that you should take you should do whatever intervention to your body you can do to make yourself more attractive. So they're getting that negative self-worth message that many women get. And on top of that, they're getting it in really misogynistic, racist communities. At the same time."
### 这个文化运动揭示了什么 **主持人**: “迈克尔，非常快速地，我想明确一点，我们谈论的是‘Looksmaxxing’时，这只占男性中非常非常小的比例。所以我不希望听起来危言耸听，但这个文化运动揭示了当今年轻男性的什么？”
Original English **Host**: "Michael, very quickly, I want to be clear that, you know, this is a very, very small percentage of men when we talk specifically about looksmaxxing. And so I don't want to come across as alarmist, but what does this cultural movement reveal about young men right now?"
**迈克尔·哈尔平**: “我认为它揭示了几件事。首先，我认为人们没有充分认识到，许多年轻男性和男孩正在从非常极端的社群、厌女社群和种族主义社群中获取关于**男子气概发展**、**如何成为一个男人**的信息。而这些社群正在提供信息和教育，并且几乎没有遇到什么阻力或反驳。我认为这是因为人们没有意识到这些社群有多么受欢迎。我认为另一件事是，它揭示了年轻男性和男孩存在大量的**身体形象和自尊问题**，而我们一直没有认真对待，并且需要更认真地对待。从更广泛的层面来看，我认为人们，你知道，我认为年轻一代对此非常清楚。他们在社交媒体时代长大。他们长时间以来一直因为外表而被评判。但这是，你知道，这是一个警钟，我们必须认真对待。‘Lookism’是一种**偏见**（prejudice）和**歧视**（discrimination）。我们需要认真对待它。就像我们谈论其他形式的偏见、歧视一样。因为我们可能在大学里，也许在媒体上，并没有太多谈论它，但这些在线社群肯定在谈论它。如果那里是唯一为人们提供答案的地方，而那也是他们唯一能得到的答案，那么他们就会陷入这些问题。”
Original English **Michael Halpin**: "Yeah, I think it reveals a few and I totally I agree. Don't be alarmist. It is. We're always dealing with subpopulations. And that's a great thing to think about. I think it reveals a few things. One thing is that I think people are not appreciating that many young men and boys are getting information about manhood development, what it is to be a man in very extremist communities, misogynistic communities and racist communities. And those communities are providing information and education, and they are met with relatively little resistance or counter-response, I think because people are not aware of how popular these communities are. I think the other thing is that it's revealing that young men and boys are having like a lot of body image and self-esteem issues that we haven't been taking seriously, and we need to take more seriously. And on a broader level, I think people, you know, I think younger people are really aware of this. They've grown up in the age of social media. They've they've been judged on their appearance for long periods of time. But is, you know, is, is a wake up call that we need to take. Lookism is a form of prejudice and discrimination. Seriously. And we need to talk about it seriously. Like we talk about other forms of prejudice, bias and discrimination because we might not be talking about it very much in universities and maybe in the media, but these online communities are certainly talking about it. And if that's the only place that's giving people answers and that's the only answer, they're going to get to these problems."
**主持人**: “迈克尔，我们就此打住吧。非常感谢您的真知灼见。非常感谢您。”
Original English **Host**: "Michael, we're going to have to leave it there, but really appreciate your insights on this. Thank you so much."
**迈克尔·哈尔平**: “不客气。非常感谢您的邀请。”
Original English **Michael Halpin**: "No problem. Thank you very much for having me."