--- author: New York Times Podcasts date: '2026-10-02' guest: '' layout: post.njk source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq_RktwzpE0 speaker: New York Times Podcasts tags: - lunchbox-selection - meal-prep - food-storage - kitchen-gear title: 告别糊弄午餐：Wirecutter专家教你用对便当盒与餐包 summary: 自带午餐常让人感到单调乏味。Wirecutter厨房编辑Gabby Gershenson指出“容器决定午餐命运”，系统评测了分格便当盒、保温餐包、沙拉碗与焖烧罐等器具，并分享了剩菜焕新法与高效备餐灵感。 insight: '' draft: true series: '' category: home-logistics area: life-family project: [] people: [] companies_orgs: - Wirecutter - The New York Times products_models: - Takenaka Bento Bite Dual - Bentgo Fresh 3 - Zojirushi Stainless Steel Food Jar - Carhartt Insulated 12 Can Cooler - W&P Porter Bowl - S'well Salad Bowl media_books: - Love Japan status: evergreen --- ### 节目开场与带饭困境 **克里斯汀**: 我是**克里斯汀·西尔·克利塞特**（Christine Cyr Clisset），您正在收听的是 **Wirecutter** 播客节目。 早餐或许被称作一天中“最重要”的一餐，但对我个人而言，最大的挑战其实是**午餐**。几乎每个工作日，我都要给我的两个孩子打包午餐，而且通常也得给自己带一份。日复一日，这事儿变得有点让人提不起劲来。你到底该装些什么？孩子们真正喜欢吃什么？我自己又会满怀期待地想吃什么？面对一个被泡得软烂的三明治，或者一份发蔫的沙拉，那种感觉确实挺沮丧的。而且我知道什么时候让孩子们失望了——这正是我最不愿看到的——因为带去的午餐原封不动地被带了回来。 无论你是为自己还是为别人准备午餐，无论你是为了吃得更健康、省钱，还是单纯出于对家人的爱而必须去做，有时候它确实感觉像是一项苦差事。今天，我将与一位 **Wirecutter** 的专家展开对话，她不仅在打包什么食物方面有一套解决方案，对于用什么器具来装午餐也很有心得。今天和我对话的是 **Wirecutter** 的厨房编辑**加比·格申森**（Gabby Gershenson），我们将一起探讨那些真正能让带午餐变得更加令人期待、更加愉悦、不再那么索然无味的便当盒。 加比是一位造诣颇深的**美食作家**和**食谱作者**。她是斩获**詹姆斯·比尔德奖**（James Beard Award）的美食烹饪书《**热爱日本**》（*Love Japan*）的合著者，也是即将于明年秋季出版的新书《**鱼子酱与香槟**》（*Caviar and Champagne*）的作者。我对她的推荐充满了信任。加比，欢迎回到我们的节目！
Original English **Christine**: I'm Christine Cyr Clisset and you're listening to the Wirecutter Show. Breakfast may be the most quote unquote important meal of the day, but personally my biggest challenge is lunch. I pack lunches almost every weekday for my two kids and often for myself. And it gets kind of, I don't know, uninspiring after a while. What do you pack? What will the kids actually like? What will I actually be excited to eat? It can feel sad to sit down to a soggy sandwich or a wilted salad. And I know when I disappoint my kids, which I hate to do, because their lunch comes back and it's full. Whether you pack lunch for yourself or someone else and whether you do it because you want to eat healthier or you want to save money or you simply must do it for the people that you love, it can sometimes feel like a chore. Today I am talking with a Wirecutter expert who has some solutions not only about the food to pack, but what to pack the lunch in. I'm talking with Gabby Gershenson, a kitchen editor here at Wirecutter about lunch boxes that will actually make packing a lunch more exciting and enjoyable and less sad. Gabby is an accomplished food writer and cookbook author. She's the co-author of the James Beard award-winning cookbook, Love Japan, and the author of the forthcoming book, Caviar and Champagne, which comes out next fall. I totally trust her recommendations. Gabby, welcome back to the show.
**加比**: 谢谢你，克里斯汀。很高兴能来到这里。
Original English **Gabby**: Thank you, Christine. Great to be here.
**克里斯汀**: 我得先问问，你这段时间都在给谁准备午餐呢？你自己平时会带午餐吗？
Original English **Christine**: I got to ask, who are you packing lunches for these days? And do you pack your own?
**加比**: 我在单位是个“搜寻觅食者”，所以我有时……
Original English **Gabby**: I'm a scavenger at work, so I sometimes
**克里斯汀**: 在咱们的**测试厨房**里搜寻觅食可不是个坏去处，你懂的吧？
Original English **Christine**: It's not a bad place to scavenge in our test kitchens, you know?
**加比**: 确实，我们的测试厨房里经常散落着一些品质极高的吃食。不过，我确实有一个正在上学前班的**三岁女儿**，她需要一份构思非常周全的便当。
Original English **Gabby**: No, our test kitchen has some really quality victuals lying around, but I do have a three-year-old daughter who is in pre-K, and she requires a very well-thought bento.
### 容器决定午餐命运 **克里斯汀**: 太棒了。我挺喜欢挑食的小家伙——开个玩笑啦。（笑声）你认为大家在准备午餐时遇到的最大问题是什么？是想不出要打包什么新花样，还是其实在于你用来装午餐的那个**物理容器**本身？
Original English **Christine**: Oh, nice. I like a picky eater. No, I'm just joking. [laughter] What do you think is the biggest problem people tend to have with packing lunch? Is it coming up with new ideas for what to pack, or is it actually the physical vessel that you're packing lunch inside?
**加比**: 我想如果在负责编辑便当盒评测指南之前你问我这个问题，我一定会说关键全在食物本身。但是，当我把一大堆入选推荐的便当盒带回家后，我彻底惊呆了：一个合适的容器竟然能把冰箱里乱七八糟的边角料，变成一顿真正让人身心愉悦、宛如开盲盒寻宝般的丰盛午餐。
Original English **Gabby**: I think if you asked me this before I edited the guide to lunchboxes, I would have said it's all about the food. But then when I took home a bunch of our lunchbox picks, I was kind of astounded by how the right container could transform sort of random bits and bobs from the fridge into like a really delightful kind of treasure-filled lunch.
**克里斯汀**: 如果你用的是像**日式便当盒**（Bento），你可能会用一种方式去装；如果你换成别的器具，装出来的午餐又截然不同。这是否意味着，可以说是**容器决定了午餐的命运**？
Original English **Christine**: If you had like a bento, you might pack it one way and if you had something different, you might pack a different lunch. Is it kind of like the vessel determines the destiny of the lunch?
**加比**: **容器绝对决定了午餐的形态**。你刚才提到了我的食谱书，在参与撰写《**热爱日本**》时，我们专门用了一整个章节来介绍如何打包日式便当盒，因为这是日本由来已久的一项优良传统——那是日本正统经典的便当形式。它里面划分出了很多小格子。乍看之下，你可能会觉得它让人望而生畏或显得过于繁琐讲究，但当你真正动手往那些小格子里填装食物时，你会发现：“哎，冰箱里还剩两块炸鸡块，或者一个半肉丸。”如果按平时的思路，你绝不会琢磨给孩子明天的午餐带外卖盒里那半个剩肉丸（笑声）；但当你把它放进一个精致的小隔间，旁边甚至再搭上一片黄瓜当配菜，瞬间它就变成了前一天你差点随手扔掉、但现在看起来无比美味可口的一顿饭。这种转变真的极具颠覆性。
Original English **Gabby**: The vessel absolutely dictates the lunch and I think that, you know, you mentioned the cookbook. I worked on Love Japan. We had a whole section on packing bento boxes because this is a, you know, Japanese tradition. That's the good old lunchbox in Japan. And there are many small compartments. And it might look intimidating or fussy, but then when you're actually filling those small compartments, you're like, 'Oh, there's, you know, two chicken nuggets in the fridge or like one and a half meatballs.' And maybe you would not normally think, oh, what's my kid having for lunch tomorrow? That half meatball in the takeout container, [laughter] but then when you put it in a little compartment and then maybe even put like a little vegetable next to it, like a slice of cucumber, suddenly it's like this really tasty victual that you maybe almost threw away yesterday. It can really be transformative.
### 真实测评与挑选标准 **克里斯汀**: 我太喜欢这种感觉了。我在给孩子们准备便当盒时也有过同样的体会。几分钟后我们还会更深入地聊聊便当盒，咱们先在这儿做个记号，因为便当盒是我个人最钟爱的类型之一，容我先吹捧一句。（笑声） 好的，针对成人和儿童，我们已经实测了大量的便当盒，我知道测试过的不同款式少说也有几十款。我们究竟是如何进行测试的？又是跟谁一起完成测试的呢？
Original English **Christine**: I love that. I have also had that experience packing bentos for my kids. And we're going to talk a little bit more about bentos in a few minutes. Let's just put a pin in that because it's one of my favorite boxes. I'll just say that. [laughter] All right. So, we have tested a lot of lunch boxes for both adults and kids. I know we've tested dozens and dozens of different options. How do we test them? Who do we test them with?
**加比**: 我们有针对儿童的便当盒选购指南，也有针对成人的指南，但两者的测试标准基本上是一致的。首先，你要考察每个盒子究竟**能容纳多少食物**。这是一条非常核心的评价标准，而对于儿童还是成人，容量要求显然会有所不同。翻看这两份指南你就会发现，儿童款的容量普遍要小于成人款。 此外，**耐用性**也至关重要，因为盒子不仅是一个盛放容器，它还是一个携带工具，你得带着它四处走动。我们身处一个环境极其多元的国家，人们出行可能会步行、骑车、坐地铁，或者开车自驾。我们希望一款便当盒或餐盒能确保食物完好无损，**绝对不能发生渗漏**。而且万一不小心掉落在地，绝不能当场摔裂演变成一场灾难，把整天的好心情都给毁了。
Original English **Gabby**: So, we have the kids guide to lunch boxes and we have the adult guide to lunch boxes, but the testing is basically the same for both of them. You're looking just to see how much food can each one hold. That's a really important piece of criteria. And that will differ whether you are testing for kids or for grown-ups. And so when you look at both those guides, you'll see the kids guides are they're going to hold less food than the adult guides. But also durability is really important because the box is not only a vessel, but it's a carrier and you're taking it with you somewhere. And we live in a very diverse country where we might be walking, we might be biking, we might be subwaying, we might be driving. And we want a bento box or a lunch box that is going to keep your food intact. You don't want any leaks. And if something drops and falls from the floor, you don't want it to break into a crisis and then boom, your whole day is ruined,
**克里斯汀**: 对吧？那你们有没有找孩子们把这些便当盒带去学校进行实测？有没有找成年人带着它们去上班？你们在现实生活场景中是如何与真人一起对这些盒子展开测试的？
Original English **Christine**: right? Are you testing with kids sending these lunch boxes to school? Are you testing with adults who are taking these lunch boxes to work? How in sort of like real life testing are you doing with people for these boxes?
**加比**: 是的。**劳拉·姆利**（Laura Mley）一直是我们的……
Original English **Gabby**: Yes. Well, Laura Mley has been our
**克里斯汀**: 她是执笔作者，对吧？
Original English **Christine**: She's the writer, right?
**加比**: 对，她是主笔作者。她的丈夫曾经在施工工地上班，所以劳拉就会让他带着 **Carhartt** 的餐包去上班；他会测试在放入一两个冰袋的情况下，这个包能给食物保鲜制冷多长时间。此外她还有几个不同年龄段的孩子。我们是由真实的孩子和真实的家庭成员在现实生活场景中进行测试的。 同时，我们还进行**长期追踪测试**。负责编写这些指南的编辑以及 **Wirecutter** 的其他同事，都会把这些精选产品带回家日常使用。有时我们的推荐人选还会根据长期测试者的反馈发生变动，因为这些产品每天都在经受严苛的实际使用考验，随着他们反馈的长期使用结果，我们能够获得更详实、深入的信息。
Original English **Gabby**: is the writer and you know she has a husband who you know has worked on a work site so she'll send him to work with the Carhartt. He'll see like how cool did this bag with a one or two cooler packs keep my food and she has children in different ages and you know we're real life testing with actual kids and actual family members and also we're long-term testing so you know editors who work on these guides other people who work at Wirecutter they bring these picks home and sometimes our picks change based on the feedback of the long-term testers because they're being put through the paces every single day and we might get more information based on the results that they find.
**克里斯汀**: 我们推荐过的便当盒或容器，我手头至少有三到四种不同的款式，我对每一款都有不同的使用体会。不过今天我非常兴奋能聊一聊另外几款，因为对于某些产品，我有一些具体的槽点很想拿出来好好讨论讨论。
Original English **Christine**: I have at least three to four different lunch boxes or vessels that we've recommended and I have different thoughts on different ones, but I'm excited to try a couple more that we're going to talk about today because I have specific complaints about some things that I want to hash out.
**加比**: 那咱们就来听听你的槽点吧！（笑声）
Original English **Gabby**: Let's hear the beef. [laughter]
**克里斯汀**: 在我们逐一介绍推荐的各种容器类型之前，我很好奇，对于正在收听本期节目的听众，如果他们心里琢磨着：“呃，我真的需要一个新的便当盒吗？我现在的便当盒有什么问题吗？”换掉旧餐盒的理由究竟是什么？比如一个人手里已经有一个勉强凑合能用、但某些地方总让人心烦的小盒子，**升级换代的最大理由**是什么呢？
Original English **Christine**: Before we get into the different types of vessels that we recommend, I am curious for someone listening who's kind of like, uh, do I need a new lunchbox? What is there anything wrong with my lunchbox? What is the argument for upgrading something? Like if you already have a passable lunchbox that's been working, but maybe things are annoying you about it. What's the biggest argument for getting something better?
**加比**: 你可以先问问自己：我是不是希望这个盒子能够直接放进**微波炉**加热？我是不是希望它能有更多的隔格，因为我想要吃到更丰富的食物花样，而且我不喜欢等到了吃午饭的时候所有食物都已经混成一团？正是这些实际问题会引导你换用一个全新的便当盒。 我们推荐了**保温餐包**，推荐了**焖烧罐**，也推荐了那些分格极其合理漂亮的款式。再比如，你可能意识到自己是个酷爱沙拉的人——过去六个月里你每天都带沙拉和酱汁去上班，却总在担惊受怕沙拉酱会在包里突然爆浆漏得到处都是。针对这种情况，我们也评测出了专属的推荐之选。
Original English **Gabby**: Well, you might just ask yourself, do I wish that I could put this in the microwave? Do I wish this had more compartments because I want more variety and I don't like it when all the food ends up blended together by the time I eat my lunch? And these are questions that can lead you to a new lunchbox. We have insulated examples. We have food thermoses. We have examples that have really nice compartments. Maybe you notice I'm a salad person. I've been bringing a salad and dressing to work with me for the last 6 months and I'm always paranoid that my dressing is just going to burst in my bag. And we have a pick for that, too.
### 便当盒与防漏痛点 **克里斯汀**: 那我们就先从我们推荐的不同选项聊起吧。你刚才已经提到了**分格便当盒**（Bento）。这是我的最爱——无论是它的外观美感，还是将不同食物分隔开来的功能。我的孩子们也非常喜欢这一点。到底什么样才算是一款优秀的便当盒，又有哪些人应该考虑入手呢？
Original English **Christine**: So, let's talk about the different options that we recommend. You already touched on the bento. This is my absolute favorite. The aesthetic of it, the ability to kind of separate things. My kids also really like that. What makes a good bento and who should consider getting one of these?
**加比**: 好的，前面我们提到了剩饭剩菜。我认为如果你们家经常自己开火做饭，厨房里的食材流转很快，便当盒就是**把剩菜变废为宝**的绝佳途径，因为便当盒由若干个小格子组成。这类餐盒在内部做了区域划分，有的款式隔出两大格供你盛放食物，也有的款式设计了多达五个隔间，格子更小，能让你装下极具丰富度的小吃零食组合。如果你家里经常做饭，便当盒能把那些平时放在冰箱里可能谁都不想去碰的边角剩菜，摇身一变成一份看起来极其诱人的午餐。 另外，对于**挑食的孩子**来说我也极力推荐便当盒，因为挑食的孩子很讨厌盘子里的食物互相碰触，所有食物必须界限分明地分隔开来。
Original English **Gabby**: Okay, so we mentioned leftovers. I think that if you are a household where you're doing a lot of home cooking and there's a lot of turnover, this is a great way to upcycle your leftovers because the bentos are made up of small compartments. They are lunch boxes that are divided up into some models have large compartments where you can have two areas to put your food. There are lunch boxes that have five compartments and they're much smaller and you can have like a much more snacky variety. But if yeah, if you're home cookers, this is a great way to turn your leftovers that maybe no one would have reached for into a really appealing lunch. I also love them for picky kids because they don't like any of their foods touching each other. You know, it's like all needs to be divided.
**克里斯汀**: 我对以往尝试过的便当盒最大的槽点，就是**容易漏**。市场上到底有没有一款真正滴水不漏的便当盒？
Original English **Christine**: My biggest beef with the bentos that I have tried, it's when it leaks. Can you actually get a bento that doesn't leak?
**加比**: 根据我们的测试，我们确实找到了几款防漏的选择。比如我们有一款新入选的推荐产品——**Ecozoi 不锈钢便当盒**，它看起来几乎就像那种老式的电视速冻快餐托盘。
Original English **Gabby**: I mean, according to our testing, we do have some leakproof options. So, there is a new pick, the Ecozoi stainless steel bento lunch, and it almost looks like the old school TV dinner trays.
**克里斯汀**: 嗯哼，我知道那种。
Original English **Christine**: Uh-huh. Yeah.
**加比**: 你看，它全部划分了独立隔间，盖上后卡得很紧。它的盖子配有**密封硅胶圈**（Gasket），整体是防漏的。不过，它可能过不了挑食孩子的终极考验……
Original English **Gabby**: You know, it's all compartmentalized and it closes shut. It has a gasketed lid and it is leakproof. Now, this might not pass the picky test
**克里斯汀**: 因为根据我们的测试，汤水虽然绝对不会从容器内部渗漏到你的外层背包里……
Original English **Christine**: because it will not leak out of the container into your bag according to our testing,
**加比**: 但是在内部不同的格子之间，可能会发生**串格串味**的渗漏，这有时确实会成为一个问题。
Original English **Gabby**: but there is some leakage that can happen between compartments and that might be a problem.
**克里斯汀**: 对，没错。
Original English **Christine**: Right. Right.
**加比**: 所以，这或许算不上一个完美的答案，但我认为相比在包里漏得一塌糊涂，这已经是一个巨大的飞跃了。
Original English **Gabby**: So, that's not like a perfect answer, but I think it's an improvement to leaking in the bag.
**克里斯汀**: 我非常喜欢这款便当盒的另一点在于它是**金属材质**的。市面上的很多餐盒都是塑料做的，我个人不太喜欢用塑料盒给孩子们带饭去上学，所以我倾向于选这款。在我们推荐的产品中，你还有其他特别喜欢的便当盒吗？
Original English **Christine**: What I really like about this bento also is that it is metal. A lot of these are plastic and I don't love using plastic to send my kids off to school with, so I would go for this. What are some of your other favorite bentos that we recommend?
**加比**: 我自己在家里一直用的是 **Takenaka Bento Bite Dual**（竹中双层便当盒）。
Original English **Gabby**: Well, I've been using at home the Takenaka Bento Bite Dual.
**加比**: 是的，我觉得这是我们所有入选产品中**颜值最高**的一款。（笑声）我的意思是，当你脑海中浮现出日式便当盒时，你想象的大概就是它的模样：它是一个**双层堆叠**的容器，附带一把小塑料叉子，可以整整齐齐地收纳在塑料盖下面；上面堆叠着另一个更大的隔层，那一层配有隔板以及带密封圈的盖子。 在这些评测指南里你会频繁听到“**密封垫圈**”这个词，它们的作用就是制造出微小的负压真空环境，让盒盖能严丝合缝、稳稳当当地扣在便当盒顶端。
Original English **Gabby**: Yeah, this is the most aesthetic of our choices, I think. [laughter] I mean, it's kind of like when you think of bento, this is what you're thinking of. It's a stacked container. It comes with a little plastic fork that fits tidily into the plastic lid. And then a larger section stacks on top of that. And that one has a divider and it has the gasketed lid. And you'll hear gaskets referred to a lot in these guides. And they're just sort of like they create that little bit of a vacuum that makes the lid just stay put on top of the bento box.
**克里斯汀**: 容我再次强调，我太喜欢它的外观了，它提供了各种柔和的马卡龙粉彩色系。好的，我们刚才已经讨论了这两款。此外我们在指南中还推荐了许多其他便当盒，特别是针对儿童，我想我们专门推荐了好几款。关于儿童款你有什么想特别点出来的吗？因为指南里款式很丰富，大家可以去查阅。
Original English **Christine**: I'll say it again. I love the way this one looks. It comes in all these pastel colors. Okay. So, we've got those two that we just talked about. We also have a number of other bentos that we recommend. I think we recommend some specifically for kids in our guide. Anything you would like to call out there because we have a variety that people can reference the guide for.
**加比**: 是的，**Bentgo** 这个品牌在我们的两份指南里都有多款产品入选，而且它们在儿童便当盒品类中表现非常亮眼，比如 **Bentgo Fresh 3**。非常感谢我们所有的推荐清单都会发布在网上，因为……
Original English **Gabby**: Yes. Bentgo, the brand Bentgo has many picks in both of our guides and they did really well in the children's bento category. the Bentgo Fresh 3. And thank you so much that all of these picks are going to be online somewhere because
**克里斯汀**: 对，我们会在本期节目的 **Show Notes** 中附上完整链接。
Original English **Christine**: yeah, we'll have them in the show notes.
**加比**: 我的意思是，要把这些型号全记清楚确实不容易，但他们有一款堆叠式便当盒，每一层内部都有隔间，盖子通过小搭扣锁紧，整体非常牢靠安全；它顺利通过了我们关于**易清洁度**和**防漏性能**的各项严格测试。这类盒子的价格往往并不昂贵，但相应地，它们的使用寿命可能也不会特别长久。
Original English **Gabby**: I mean, it's very hard to keep track of these things, but there is a model that has a stacked bento that has compartments in each stack and the lids close with little latches and it's just very secure and it passed, you know, our test for being easy to clean and for leakability. They don't cost a lot of money, but they also might not last as long.
### 保温餐包与实用场景 **克里斯汀**: 接下来我们聊聊**保温餐包**（Insulated Bags）。什么样才算是一款优秀的保温餐包，又在什么情况下你会需要买这种包呢？
Original English **Christine**: Let's talk about insulated bags. What makes a good one, and when would you want to get this type of bag?
**加比**: 我不得不坦白，理想中的我绝对是全心全意投向精致便当盒的，但现实生活中的我，却是个不折不扣的保温餐包党。（笑声）
Original English **Gabby**: I have to say that the aspirational me is like bento all the way, but the real me is insulated bag. [laughter] [gasps]
**克里斯汀**: 这是为什么呢？
Original English **Christine**: Why is that?
**加比**: 因为你只需要把东西随手往里面一扔就行了！
Original English **Gabby**: Because you just throw things into it.
**克里斯汀**: 确实如此。
Original English **Christine**: Yeah.
**加比**: 你早上根本不需要费那么多心思去构思。这才是最符合我性格的带饭风格。在今天录节目前我做了一番深刻的灵魂反思，我经常直接往包里扔进一整颗完整的蔬菜……
Original English **Gabby**: You don't need to put that much forethought into it. My true lunch style. I was doing some soulsearching before knowing we were going to talk today. I throw like whole vegetables in
**克里斯汀**: 比如直接扔一根胡萝卜，或者随手扔一颗卷心菜进去？
Original English **Christine**: like just like a carrot, like a head of cabbage every second.
**加比**: 没错，正是那样！南瓜倒还不至于（笑）。不是啦，比如甜椒、黄瓜之类的。早上我只挑那些不需要耗费脑力去处理的东西，直接一股脑扔进保温餐包里带走。
Original English **Gabby**: Yeah, that's exactly. Come on. A pumpkin. Um, no, like peppers, cucumbers. But I choose things that don't require much thought in the morning and I throw them in an insulated bag.
**克里斯汀**: 哈哈，这确实太省事了。
Original English **Christine**: Yeah, that's great.
**克里斯汀**: 这确实很有借鉴意义。那我们来重点讲讲这类产品名称里的第一个词——“**保温保冷**”（Insulated）。在保鲜制冷方面，它们是不是真的比我们推荐的其他容器表现更好？ 我们推荐的保温餐包款式多样：有的看起来就像单肩背的**托特包**；有的看起来像带提手的小号蓬蓬方盒；还有一些本身既是餐盒，空间又足够塞进一个完整的便当盒。它们最大的共同优势在于，所有这些保温选项都可以塞进**冷冻冰袋**。经过实测我们证实，放入冰袋后，离开冰箱冷藏环境四小时，里面的温度依然符合**美国农业部**（USDA）的食品安全保冷标准。 让我们在这里稍作停顿，因为作为一名要给孩子打包午餐、自己也要带饭上班的家长，我发现自己经常会省略掉在包里放冰袋这一步，因为那些冰袋要么不知道丢哪儿去了，要么就是觉得塞冰袋太麻烦了。
Original English **Christine**: And that is helpful. Let's talk about the first word in this type, insulated. Do they do a better job of keeping things cold than other options that we recommend? I mean, we have insulated bags that look like tote bags you put over your shoulder. We have insulated bags that look like little puffy boxes that have handles. And we also have ones that actually are lunch boxes as well, but you can also fit a bento into. And the big difference is that all of these insulated options, you can put cooler packs in them. and we've tested them and know that four hours out of the fridge with a cooler pack, they're going to stay cold according to USDA safety standards. Let's just pause on that because I have found as a parent packing lunches for my kids or bringing lunches to work. I often forego putting the freezer pack in the bag because it feels like I've lost them or it's just too much trouble.
**加比**: 对，而且我经常让午餐在包里闷上一整天，直到四五个小时之后才拿出来吃。我会把自己吃出病来吗？
Original English **Gabby**: Yeah. And I'll go all day with my lunch in my bag before I eat it like four or five hours later.
**克里斯汀**: 你这种做法很有欧洲人的慵懒随性范儿，克里斯汀（笑声），仅此而已。但是从技术层面上讲，不放冰块或冰袋真的符合食品安全吗？
Original English **Christine**: Just very European of you, [laughter] Christine. That's all. Is it technically like not food safe to not be putting under ice or an ice pack?
**加比**: 实际上食物存在一个特定的临界温度，一旦高于这个温度，有害细菌就会在食物中迅速滋生繁殖。作为我们食品安全黄金标准的**美国食品药品监督管理局**（FDA），在官网上明确指出：一份易变质的午餐，在常温下不加冰袋存放的**最高时限为 2 小时**；但如果你处于非常炎热的环境中（比如夏天华氏 90 度的高温天气），这个安全窗口就会骤降至仅剩 **1 小时**。
Original English **Gabby**: There is a specific temperature above which dangerous bacteria can start to grow in food. The FDA, which is really our standard bearer for food safety, has the following on their website that a perishable lunch can sit out without an ice pack for a maximum of 2 hours at normal room temperature, but if you're in really hot temperature, like summer day, 90°, that goes down to 1 hour.
**克里斯汀**: 好吧，看来我一直在违背所有安全准则！
Original English **Christine**: Okay. So, I'm breaking all the rules all the time.
**加比**: 正需要你这样真实的测试者！（笑声）
Original English **Gabby**: We need people like you. [laughter]
**克里斯汀**: 我想在保温餐包这个品类中，你能看到最为宽泛的尺寸跨度。你可以选择给孩子用的小号餐包，或者像你刚才提到的、我们推荐的 **Carhartt** 餐包，那更偏向于工装风格的耐磨大包——直接拎去建筑工地上班，里面足足能塞进两顿正餐。当然，大家完全可以根据自己一天需要带多少食物来挑选合适的尺寸。但面对市面上琳琅满目的款式，在选购时你还能提供哪些指导建议呢？
Original English **Christine**: I think in this category you see the widest range of sizes of insulated bags. You can have a smaller one for a kid or like you mentioned earlier, you could have the Carhartt one that we recommend which is more of sort of like the working bag. You're taking it to the construction site and you've got two meals in it. You know, obviously you can just decide how much food you need to take for the day and decide on what size you want. But is there any more guidance you would give on that around how to choose between the vast array of options here?
**加比**: 有的。而且你的提问让我意识到自己对这个品类有多么热爱！（笑声）因为挑选餐包的过程，其实是在促使你审视自己的生活、生活方式以及核心诉求，从而锁定合适的尺寸。 市面上有些款式，比如 **Baggu** 的蓬蓬午餐包（Puffy Lunch Bag），堪称世界上最可爱的物件，像个小方块一样，印花图案美轮美奂，但它只有手提把手。这意味着当你拎着这个毛茸茸的小餐盒走路时，你没办法把它斜挎在肩膀上。
Original English **Gabby**: Yes. And also you're making me realize how passionate I am about this category. [laughter] It makes you think about your life and your lifestyle and what your needs are and that's how you pick your sizes. So there are some models like for instance the Baggu puffy lunch bag which is the cutest thing in the world. It's like a little cube. It comes in amazing prints, but it only has handles. So, when you're walking with this little poofy lunchbox, you can't sling it over your shoulder.
**克里斯汀**: 是的。
Original English **Christine**: Yeah.
**加比**: 所以，如果能单肩背对你来说是刚需，只能手提对你极不实用，那这款包就不适合你。虽然这看似是绕开了尺寸问题在作答，但手柄与背带的设计确实取决于你的通勤方式：你是开车，还是步行？当然，尺寸也紧密挂钩。比如 **Carhartt 12 罐装保温餐包**……
Original English **Gabby**: So, if that is a requirement for you, if it's totally impractical for you to have a handle only lunch bag, then maybe that's not your bag. It might seem like an indirect answer to the size question, but the handles do have a lot to do with are you driving? Are you walking? And size also figures into that. The Carhartt insulated 12 can.
**克里斯汀**: 哦，你甚至可以用它装上啤酒带去海滩！
Original English **Christine**: Oh, you could also use it to take beer to the beach.
**加比**: 完全可以！在我们的**冷藏保温箱**（Coolers）选购指南中，就有一款精选产品，我们在评测中特意指出它完全可以兼作午餐包；而这款 Carhartt 餐包反过来也完全能当小型冷藏箱来用。
Original English **Gabby**: You can. Yes. Well, it's in our guide to coolers, there's one pick that we have where we say that it could easily double as a lunchbox. And the Carhartt can easily double as a cooler.
**克里斯汀**: 太棒了。
Original English **Christine**: Oh, that's great.
**加比**: 所以如果是两个人一起带饭，Carhartt 就是理想之选。劳拉的丈夫由于工作性质经常要到没有冰箱的施工现场，他不仅要带零食，还要带午餐，甚至有时连晚餐也要一并带上。因此这种尺寸的大包，足够容纳一整天的多顿饭食。
Original English **Gabby**: So, if you're taking lunch for two, you would want the Carhartt. Laura's husband, he has a job that has required him to work on sites like job sites where there's no refrigerator. So, maybe he's packing snacks and he's packing lunch and maybe even dinner. So, a bag of this size, it could hold multiple meals,
**克里斯汀**: 对。关于这些包我注意到的另一件事是——我自己用过 **L.L.Bean** 的款式，这在我们针对成人和儿童的指南中都是推荐款，多年来我都觉得它非常好用。但随着孩子们书包里的课本和文具越来越多，这些保温包就变得很难硬塞进孩子们的双肩包里了。随着包内空间变挤，把这种鼓鼓囊囊的保温包塞进去就愈发费劲，我想这正是我们后来转向使用扁平便当盒的原因。不过对很多场景而言，保温包依然是非常优秀的选择。
Original English **Christine**: right? One thing I've noticed about these bags, because I used the L.L.Bean options, which we recommend in both for adults and kids, and I found those to be great for many years, but eventually they became too hard to fit into my kids backpacks as their books and things grew in the bag. It became harder to stuff these insulated bags, and that's I think when we moved to bentos. But I think they can be a great option.
### 沙拉碗与干湿分离 **克里斯汀**: 我们先稍作休整，稍后回来我们将继续讨论另外两个类别的午餐盒：一个是趣味十足的**沙拉保鲜盒**，另一个则是**焖烧罐**。我们将深入聊聊它们各自的特点以及你为什么需要选购它们。 我们都知道 **Sweetgreen** 连锁沙拉店等等。我个人从来不是那种工作日午餐必点碎沙拉的狂热爱好者，但确实有相当一部分人，沙拉就是他们的生活本命。
Original English **Christine**: We're going to take a quick break and when we're back, we're going to talk about two other categories of lunchbox. Salad boxes, which I think are so fun, and thermoses. We're going to talk about what they are and why you might want to get one. Well, we all know about Sweetgreen and all that. I've never been like a chopped salad lunch girly, but there are people for whom salad is it.
**加比**: 没错。
Original English **Gabby**: Yeah.
**克里斯汀**: 大家都清楚，如果是大清早就把沙拉打包好，要想在中午开饭时依然保持生脆水灵，会面临极其严苛的物理限制。
Original English **Christine**: And we all know that there are a lot of limitations when it comes to salad in terms of keeping it just vibrant and fresh by the time you're ready to eat it. If you're packing it in the morning.
**加比**: 对。如果早早把所有食材全拌在一起，等到了吃午饭的时候，叶子通常全都蔫软发塌了。
Original English **Gabby**: Yeah. Like if everything is mixed together, it's all going to be limp by the time you eat it usually.
**克里斯汀**: 正是这样，那场面确实很让人倒胃口。一种折中办法是只选那些质地坚挺耐存的食材，比如谷物沙拉、茴香根、橄榄等即使早早浇上酱汁也能顶得住的耐造食材。但如果你想吃的是爽脆的绿叶嫩蔬菜沙拉，市面上有几款很棒的沙拉容器可供选择。针对这些产品，你建议大家该如何挑选呢？
Original English **Christine**: Exactly. And that's really sad. So, I mean, one solution to that is just only having ingredients that are hearty. Grain salad, fennel, olives, like all those things that you can dress ahead of time and they can withstand a lot. But if you want a tender green salad that has some crunch to it, there's a couple good options. How do you recommend people decide between these?
**加比**: 一个显而易见的决定性因素是：**你到底想不想要分格设计？** 我们有一款来自品牌 **W&P** 的高颜值入选产品（**W&P Porter Bowl**）。它本质上就是一个碗——一个设计非常时髦雅致的小碗，带盖子，采用陶瓷或塑料材质制成。它非常讨喜，而且可以**直接进微波炉加热**，所以你平时拿它装点意面之类的热食也没问题。
Original English **Gabby**: One really obvious decider would be, do you want compartments or not? We have a really attractive pick from the brand W&P. It's a bowl. It's a very chic little bowl. It's got a lid. It's made of ceramic or plastic. It's very appealing and it's also microwavable. So, you can put
**克里斯汀**: 直接装意面什么的。
Original English **Christine**: put pasta in there or something.
**加比**: 没错。但归根结底它就是一个碗。
Original English **Gabby**: Exactly. But it's a bowl. Yeah,
**克里斯汀**: 它就是一个带盖子的大碗而已嘛。（笑声）
Original English **Christine**: it is just a bowl [laughter]
**加比**: 对，一个带盖的大碗。
Original English **Gabby**: with a lid. Right.
**加比**: 带盖的碗虽然很吸引人，但它**没有独立的隔层**来单独存放那些酥脆的小配料，没有独立的一层放生菜叶，也没有单独放非叶类蔬菜的地方，更没有专门装沙拉酱的小容器。如果你想要这种精细化的分层保鲜，**Bentgo 沙拉保鲜盒**（Bentgo Salad Container）就是极佳的选择，它的隔层丰富得令人惊叹。另外，知名保温杯品牌 **S'well** 也推出了一款不锈钢沙拉碗（**S'well Salad Bowl**）。
Original English **Gabby**: With a lid. Um, and it's very appealing, but it does not have your separate compartment for the little crunchy bits and your separate compartment for the lettuces and your non-leafy vegetables, and then your salad dressing. So if you want that, the Bentgo salad container is amazing for that. And also the brand S'well, which makes thermoses, they have a stainless steel salad bowl.
**克里斯汀**: 哦，你这又说到了我的心坎上！这款不锈钢沙拉碗内部也有分格配件吗？
Original English **Christine**: Oh, you are speaking my language again. Does this one have compartmentalized parts?
**加比**: 它确实有。虽然它的分格数量没有 Bentgo 那么多，但它确实做了分区托盘。这类分格沙拉盒还有一个极其重要的设计特性——**它们本身就是一个巨大的沙拉拌碗**。当你吃午饭时，只要把上层的隔盘拿出来，将所有的配料和酱汁一股脑倒进底部的碗里，盖上盖子疯狂摇匀，然后直接开吃，体验非常痛快。 S'well 沙拉碗最大的缺点在于它的自重比较沉，我们在测试中发现它的盖子对于部分人群来说稍微有点难拧开，这也是为什么我们在榜单中对它的推荐优先级略有调低的原因。
Original English **Gabby**: It does. It doesn't have as many compartments as the Bentgo salad container, but it does have compartments. And also, a really important feature of these compartmentalized salad containers is they're a salad bowl. So, when it's lunchtime, you take that tray out, you dump everything in, you dump the dressing in, and then you shake it all up and you're ready to eat your salad. The drawback of the S'well is that it is heavy and we found that the lid can be a little difficult to twist off, and that's why it's been demoted somewhat.
**克里斯汀**: 明白了。那你们平时是如何防止**沙拉酱洒漏**得到处都是的？这些盒子里是有专门不漏液的独立酱汁盒吗？具体是怎么运作的？
Original English **Christine**: I see. And how do you keep your salad dressing from leaking all over the place? Is there like a compartment for the salad dressing that doesn't leak or how does that work?
**加比**: Bentgo 配备了一个专门装沙拉酱的独立小圆盒，具有完全防漏的密封性能。
Original English **Gabby**: The Bentgo has a special container for salad dressing that is leakproof.
**克里斯汀**: 好的。
Original English **Christine**: Okay.
**加比**: S'well 沙拉碗内部同样配备了一个独立的不漏液酱汁罐。
Original English **Gabby**: The S'well Salad Bowl also has a leakproof container for dressing.
### 焖烧罐与热食保温 **克里斯汀**: 好，接下来我们聊聊**热食午餐**。关于**食品焖烧保温罐**（Food Thermoses），大家应该了解哪些常识呢？因为对于想在中午吃上一口热饭的人来说，这几乎是唯一的理想选择了。
Original English **Christine**: All right, let's talk about hot lunches. What should people know about food thermoses? Because I think this is the option here for hot lunch.
**加比**: 是的。食品焖烧罐非常奇妙，因为它们既能**长效保温**，也能**长效保冷**。
Original English **Gabby**: Yes. Well, food thermoses are fascinating because they can keep things hot and they can keep things cold.
**加比**: 但本质上，食品焖烧罐与我们的保温餐包很相似，都是用来存放食物的隔热保温器皿。它在某些方面会限制你的食物选择——你装进去的通常是像**炖菜**、**汤品**或者**辣椒肉酱**（Chili）这类带汤汁的温热食物。但它的神奇之处在于，早晨你把它烧得滚烫倒进去，到了中午打开盖子，它依然热气腾腾可以直接享用，完全不需要微波炉。
Original English **Gabby**: But a food thermos is really just a vessel that very similarly to our insulated bags. It's another insulated vessel for keeping your food in. It kind of limits your options in some ways. It's going to be like stew or chili or soup or something like that. But then the wonderful thing about it is that you take it with you and it's just ready to go. No microwave.
**克里斯汀**: 而且实际上绝大多数焖烧罐是绝对不能进微波炉的，因为它们通常都是纯金属外壳制成的，对吧？
Original English **Christine**: And in fact, you wouldn't want to microwave most of them. They're made out of metal usually, right?
**加比**: 对，没错，这是非常关键的一点。
Original English **Gabby**: Yeah. That's a good point.
**加比**: 至于具体推荐哪一款？成人首选我们极力推荐 **象印不锈钢保温焖烧罐**（Zojirushi Stainless Steel Food Jar），容量在 12 到 25 盎司之间可选。象印在保温控温方面的表现实在太强悍了——我曾听说有评测人员抱怨它甚至**保温强过头了**，放了几个小时之后拿出来依然滚烫得烫嘴！
Original English **Gabby**: Which ones do we recommend? We love the Zojirushi stainless steel food jar for the adult option and it comes in 12 to 25 oz. And Zojirushi is so good at keeping hot things hot. I've heard testers complain that it keeps things too hot, like scalding hot for hours.
**克里斯汀**: 是的！多年前我读那篇评测指南时就对这个细节印象极其深刻，因为对它的唯一差评竟然是食物保温后“太烫了”。
Original English **Christine**: Yes. I actually I remembered that one bit from reading that guide I don't know how many years ago because the only real critique was that it was too hot.
**加比**: 太烫了，哈哈，确实如此。
Original English **Gabby**: Too hot. Yeah.
**加比**: 对呀（笑声），所以感觉就像是：好吧象印，你唯一的本职工作就是保温，而你完成得未免也太出色了吧！ 针对儿童款，我们推荐了 **膳魔师儿童食品罐**（Thermos Foogo Food Jar）。各位听众一定要上网搜搜看，它简直是世界上最萌的物件！它是一款价格非常亲民的儿童食品罐，颜色活泼，容量为 12 盎司，口径设计得特别宽大，孩子们可以直接把勺子或叉子伸进罐底大快朵颐。而且这些罐子都非常**易于清洗**，这同样是一项极为关键的考量指标。
Original English **Gabby**: Yeah. [laughter] So it's like okay well you have one job Zojirushi and I think you're doing it very well. And then we have the Thermos Foogo food jar which is like please listeners just Google it. It's the cutest thing in the world. It's just an inexpensive food jar for kids. It comes in great colors. It's 12 ounces and it has a really wide mouth. Your kiddos can just put their fork or their spoon right in there. And these are all easy to clean, which is a really important criteria as well.
### 便当灵感与创意食谱 **克里斯汀**: 聊到这里，我们已经全盘梳理了如此之多的便当盒与餐具方案。但现在我想聊聊午餐这个话题中最棘手的一个核心环节：**我们到底该往这些盒子、碗和保温餐包里装什么好吃的？** 作为一名成绩斐然的美食作家，你已经撰写并编辑了好几本烹饪食谱。对于想要寻找新鲜、有趣午餐灵感的人，你有什么前沿创意或者可以参考的优质资源推荐吗？
Original English **Christine**: We have covered so many of the lunchbox options at this point. But now I want to talk about maybe the last tricky element of the lunch conversation is what are we putting in these boxes and these bowls and all of these insulated bags. You are an accomplished food writer. You have written and edited a couple of cookbooks. What are some fresh, cool, interesting ideas that people can be thinking about or resources they can be turning to for fresh ideas for what to pack?
**加比**: 说实话，你的提问瞬间让我心头一紧，脑子里顿时一片空白（笑）。这方面的期望压力实在太大了！ 前面我们已经讨论过了如何巧妙地**把剩菜重新包装**。此外，网上有几位非常杰出的美食专家值得关注。首先是 **莫莉·叶**（Molly Yeh），大家一定要去搜搜看 Molly 和她的便当盒！她有两个年幼的孩子，她把便当打理得井井有条，而且她的所有创意都源自一种纯粹的童趣与快乐。在她的 Instagram 上有一张照片，我相信任何一个 Wirecutter 的编辑看了都会被当场萌化——那就是她的专属便当盒抽屉。
Original English **Gabby**: Well, no, honestly, like your question struck terror in my heart and my mind went completely blank. No, it's so high pressure. We talked already about just kind of repackaging leftovers in a clever way. Also, there's a couple of online food experts. Molly Yeh. Everyone needs to look up Molly and her bento boxes. She has two small kids and she does things very well, but it comes from a place of like real fun and joy. And there's one image that I think every Wirecutter person would just melt over on her Instagram, which is her bento drawer.
**克里斯汀**: 她有一整格专门放便当盒的抽屉，里面整齐摆满了各种款式的便当盒——容我补充一句，其中绝大多数都是 Wirecutter 推荐过的单品。她发过许多充满爱心为孩子们备餐的视频。我非常喜欢……
Original English **Christine**: She just has a drawer and it's all different bentos. Many Wirecutter picks, may I add. She just has a lot of videos where she's lovingly preparing snacks for kids. And I love that
**加比**: 她用过的一款便当盒，在我们针对儿童的指南里也重点收录了——它同时集成了**保温焖烧罐**和几个**外围便当分格**。她在其中一个格子里装了草莓，但她在草莓尖上蘸了一层酸奶，然后再蘸上彩针糖（Sprinkles）。
Original English **Gabby**: she uses one box that I know I haven't gone to the food yet, but she uses one box that we also feature in our kids guide, which has an insulated thermos and then bento compartments. She put strawberries in there, but she dipped the strawberry tip in yogurt, and then dipping it into sprinkles.
**克里斯汀**: 天哪！就像冰淇淋上面的七彩糖针一样！
Original English **Christine**: Oh my gosh. Like ice cream sprinkles.
**加比**: 是的！另一个深受我和 Molly 喜爱的美食专家是《纽约时报》的食谱研发师 **阿里·斯拉格尔**（Ali Slagle）。
Original English **Gabby**: Yeah. Another favorite of mine that I've seen Molly do and also Ali Slagle. She's a New York Times.
**克里斯汀**: 她的食谱都非常棒。
Original English **Christine**: She's got great recipes.
**加比**: 她的食谱确实无懈可击。Ali Slagle 基本上是我在《纽约时报》食谱栏目里的绝对首选，因为她的料理风格毫不繁复矫作，既营养充沛又无比美味。自从我做了母亲之后，我发现她的食谱实操性极强、贴近生活且深得人心。所以大家一定要去关注她的 Instagram，去翻翻她的食谱书。我由衷欣赏她对待食物的态度。 另外，Molly 之前还做过一件很有意思的事——她在便当盒里附赠一张**暖心小纸条**。我本人并不是那种擅长写肉麻暖心卡片的人，但看到 Molly 做的纸条时我彻底被打动了：那张卡片的一面写着一个脑筋急转弯笑话，翻到背面则是答案！我觉得这个主意太棒了，因为孩子可以把卡片带到学校午餐桌上，跟身旁的小伙伴一起分享互动。比如她把卡片剪成了一片芝士的形状，上面写着：“**你是我通心粉里的芝士（我们是天生一对）**。”
Original English **Gabby**: She's great recipes. Ali Slagle is basically my go-to New York Times recipe developer because she does very unfussy, nourishing, delicious recipes. And like ever since I became a mom, I find her recipe output to be extremely doable and relatable and appealing. So, definitely look at her Instagram, definitely look at her cookbooks. And I love just her approach to food. Molly had this thing where she packs a cute little note, which I'm not a cute note person, but I saw Molly's and I fell in love with it. She basically made a cute note and on one side, it was a joke and on the other side was the answer. And I thought that was so sweet because your kid can take that to the lunch table and share it with a friend. She made an example, which was like a cutout of a piece of cheese and it had a note, 'You are the cheese to my macaroni.'
**克里斯汀**: 天哪，这简直太温馨甜蜜了！真希望我自己也能成为那么温柔细致的人。能跟你说句大实话吗？我的孩子们以前也求过我在便当盒里留纸条，但我转头就忘得一干二净。我记得有一年我翻开我女儿的书包，赫然发现她在自己的便当盒里整整齐齐码放了**一沓写给自己的小纸条**！（大笑）
Original English **Christine**: Oh, that is so sweet. I wish I was that type of person. Can I tell you the truth? My kids have asked me to include notes before and I always forget. And one year I remember going into my daughter's backpack and she had written a stack of notes to herself in her lunchbox. [laughter]
**加比**: 天啊，我太庆幸我们今天把这个独家幕后故事给套出来了！（笑声）
Original English **Gabby**: Oh my god, I am so glad we got that story out of you.
### 个人便当与食物潮流 **克里斯汀**: 哎呀，这完全可以说是当妈的一次惨痛翻车，但从孩子懂得自尊自爱的角度来说，妥妥是一场大胜利，我就坦然接受啦！（笑） 话说回来，你这段时间自己上班都带些什么午餐呢？
Original English **Christine**: Oh, that's a real mom fail. But child loving themselves win, so I'll take that. What are you packing for yourself these days?
**加比**: 我要非常诚实地招供：眼下正值 **CSA**（社区支持农业）的丰收旺季。所谓 CSA 就是社区支持农业，我和我丈夫订购了为期半年的农场会员服务。每周我们都会去提回一次农场刚采摘的新鲜时蔬。所以眼下正是甜椒、番茄和黄瓜大量供应的时节。正因为我很懒但又极其迷恋新鲜蔬菜，所以我直接把它们整颗扔进……
Original English **Gabby**: I'm going to be really honest. It's peak CSA season. CSA is community supported agriculture. My husband and I paid for like a six-month membership. So, once a week we pick up fresh vegetables that were grown on the farm. So, right now we're in like, you know, peppers, tomatoes, cucumbers, and because I'm lazy and I love fresh vegetables, I am just throwing like
**克里斯汀**: 你就是把所有生鲜配料一股脑全扔进那个大保温包里，然后带到单位再去切块料理，对吧？
Original English **Christine**: You're just throwing all the fixings into that insulated bag and you're just cutting them up at work, right?
**加比**: 没错！要是冰箱里碰巧还有一个特百惠（Tupperware）保鲜盒装着昨晚吃剩的饭菜，我顺手带上它，那一刻简直就像哈利路亚神迹降临，我心里直呼：“我的天，感谢上帝！” 另外还有**茅屋奶酪**（Cottage Cheese，乡村奶酪）。我祖母以前午饭就爱吃烤吐司配茅屋奶酪。
Original English **Gabby**: Yeah. And like if there is a Tupperware container with some leftover dinner, I take it and it's like a hallelujah moment. I'm like, 'Oh my god, thank God.' Cottage cheese. My grandmother used to eat cottage cheese on toast for lunch.
**克里斯汀**: 我太喜欢茅屋奶酪现在迎来的全面复兴潮流了！它强势回归了，宝贝，全面翻红！而且我们在 Wirecutter 上对各大品牌的茅屋奶酪也做过非常详尽的横向评测！
Original English **Christine**: I love that cottage cheese is having such a moment right now. It's back, baby. It's back. And we have a great review to cottage cheese.
### 尾声与演职人员 **加比**: 是的！同样是一位杰出美食作家的**莉亚·柯尼希**（Leah Koenig），执笔撰写了我们的茅屋奶酪评测指南。突然之间，茅屋奶酪成了当下席卷全网的时代潮流风向标。
Original English **Gabby**: Yes. Leah Koenig, who's also a great cookbook author, has written our guide to cottage cheese. And suddenly cottage cheese is in the zeitgeist.
**克里斯汀**: 是啊，我太爱这种潮流了！加比，非常感谢你今天做客我们的节目，期待很快再次邀请你回来！
Original English **Christine**: Yeah, I love that. Gabby, thank you so much for joining us. We will have you back again soon.
**加比**: 感谢你的邀请！
Original English **Gabby**: Thank you for having me.
**克里斯汀**: 我们会在节目 Show Notes 中附上 Wirecutter 推荐的众多便当盒产品链接，当然，您也可以直接访问我们的官方网站进行查阅。以上就是今天节目的全部内容，感谢您的收听！ 《Wirecutter Show》执行制片人：**罗茜·加林**（Rosie Guerin）；制片人：**阿比盖尔·基尔**（Abigail Keel）；工程技术支持：**马蒂·马齐耶洛**（Mattie Maziello）与**尼克·皮特曼**（Nick Pitman）；本期节目的混音制作：**凯瑟琳·安德森**（Katherine Anderson）；原创音乐：**丹·鲍威尔**（Dan Powell）、**玛丽安·洛扎诺**（Marian Lozano）、**罗文·内莫托**（Rowan Nemoto）、**凯瑟琳·安德森**（Katherine Anderson）与**黛安·黄**（Diane Wong）；Wirecutter 副出版人兼总经理：**克利夫·利维**（Cliff Levy）；Wirecutter 总编辑：**本·弗里曼**（Ben Frumin）。 我是**克里斯汀·西尔·克利塞特**，感谢您的收听！
Original English **Christine**: We will link to the many, many lunchbox options Wirecutter recommends in our show notes, and of course, you can find them on our website. That's it for today. Thanks for listening. The Wirecutter Show is executive produced by Rosie Guerin and produced by Abigail Keel. Engineering support from Mattie Maziello and Nick Pitman. Today's episode was mixed by Katherine Anderson. Original music by Dan Powell, Marian Lozano, Rowan Nemoto, Katherine Anderson, and Diane Wong. Cliff Levy is Wirecutter's deputy publisher and general manager. Ben Frumin is Wirecutter's editor-in-chief. I'm Christine Cyr Clisset. Thanks for listening.