--- author: New York Times Podcasts date: '2026-10-23' guest: '' layout: post.njk source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8fMW2IyU54 speaker: New York Times Podcasts tags: - border-surveillance - artificial-intelligence - political-campaign - wildfire-crisis - hospitality-regulation title: 美墨边境AI监控网络扩张与争议、政坛风波及多国动态 summary: 本期《纽约时报》头条关注美墨边境数百座AI智能监控塔对边境社区的影响；司法部对特朗普盟友科里·莱万多夫斯基展开刑事调查；俄亥俄州州长选战中攻击性广告引发两党争议；印尼遭遇严重森林火灾与雾霾危机；Airbnb出台新规限制房东向住客摊派繁重清洁家务；最后通过新闻问答探讨了欧洲星链地面站受袭、美国国家公园知识及哥本哈根芝士面包热潮。 insight: '' draft: true series: '' category: politics-society area: society-thinking project: [] people: [] companies_orgs: - The New York Times - Department of Homeland Security - Department of Justice - Airbnb products_models: - Starlink media_books: [] status: evergreen --- ### 美墨边境AI监控网络扩张 **Will Jarvis**: 欢迎收听《纽约时报》头条新闻。我是代替特蕾西·芒福德（Tracy Mumford）主持的威尔·贾维斯（Will Jarvis）。今天是10月23日星期五。以下是我们的重点报道。 在美墨边境，从加利福尼亚州到得克萨斯州，《纽约时报》一直在追踪一种新型政府监控的兴起。过去几年来，作为加强边境安全举措的一部分，联邦当局安装了数百个AI驱动的摄像头。这些摄像头架设在高塔上，学校、民房、公园和海滩的全景一览无余。它们能在最远2英里外捕捉到细节清晰的图像。它们还配备了动作感应雷达、红外线功能，并能利用AI软件追踪车辆和行人。
Original English **Will Jarvis**: From the New York Times, it's the headlines. [music] I'm Will Jarvis in for Tracy Mumford. Today's Friday, October 23rd. Here's what we're covering. [music] Along the US Mexico border, from California to Texas, the Times has been tracking the rise of a new kind of government surveillance. Over the past few years, federal authorities have installed hundreds of AI powered cameras as part of an effort to secure the border. The cameras sit on tall towers with panoramic views of schools, homes, parks, beaches. They can capture detailed images from up to 2 m away. They also have motion detecting radar, infrared capabilities, and can use AI software to track vehicles and people.
**>>**: 这些摄像头最强大的特性之一就是它们是一个更大网络的一部分。对吧？有一整排摄像头连在一起。因此这项技术的关键在于，我可以在一个摄像头里捕捉到某个人，然后在不同摄像头的视野范围内跨区域追踪他们。
Original English **>>**: One of the most powerful aspects of these cameras is that they're part of a larger network. Right? There's a bunch of them in a row. And so the point of the technology is I can pick up someone in one camera and then track them across different camera fields of view.
**Will Jarvis**: 博拉·埃尔登（Bora Erden）是《纽约时报》记者团队的成员之一，该团队分析了这些新监控塔的分布位置，并利用绘图软件来了解摄像头究竟能看到什么。他们发现，墨西哥和美国有超过一百万人生活在这个不断扩张的监控系统的视线范围内。
Original English **Will Jarvis**: Bora Erden is part of a team of Times reporters that analyzed the locations of the new surveillance towers and used mapping software to understand what exactly the cameras can see. They found that more than a million people in Mexico and the US live within sight of the expanding surveillance system.
**>>**: 所以，我和我的同事们去到了边境，试图同当地人聊聊他们对这些监控塔的看法。我们交谈过的一些人并不希望边境巡逻队监控他们。他们不希望这些监控塔建在他们家附近，他们觉得自己不希望被政府盯着看。基本上，我们聊过的其他人对此心情复杂。他们觉得[叹气]这就是生活在美墨边境的现实。你身边有大量的边境基础设施。有大批边境巡逻人员开车穿行而过。这些塔只是边境景观的一部分罢了。但是绝大多数人根本没有意识到摄像头的存在。他们只是不知道这些塔是干什么的。注意到这些塔的人往往以为它们是蜂窝基站或者其他通讯基础设施。他们根本不知道这其实是国土安全部的监控塔。
Original English **>>**: So, my colleagues and I went down to the border to try to talk to folks about how they feel about these towers. Some of the folks that we spoke to don't want border patrol surveilling them. They don't want these towers near their houses and they feel like they don't want the government watching them. Basically, other people that we spoke to feel ambivalent about it. They feel like [snorts] this is the reality of living on the US Mexico border. You have a lot of border infrastructure. You have a lot of border patrol agents driving through. And these towers are just part of the border landscape. But the vast majority of people are simply not aware that the cameras are there. They just don't know what the towers are. People that notice the towers kind of think they're cell towers or other communication infrastructure. They don't really know that they're Department of Homeland Security towers at all.
**Will Jarvis**: 在回应《纽约时报》的质询时，美国官员没有提供任何关于这些塔在抓捕移民或毒品走私贩方面成效如何的信息。不过在一份声明中，海关与边境保护局表示，这些新监控塔对边境安全“至关重要”。展望未来，特朗普政府计划修建更多的AI监控塔。政府已经获得资金，计划安装1500座监控塔，不仅沿着南部边境，还会设立在加拿大边境附近、波多黎各以及全美各地的沿海地区。 在华盛顿。
Original English **Will Jarvis**: In response to questions from the Times, US officials didn't provide any information about how effective the towers have been at catching migrants or drug smugglers. Though in a statement, Customs and Border Protection said the new towers are quote essential to border security. Going forward, [music] the Trump administration has plans to build even more of the AI towers. It secured funding to install 1,500 of them, not just along the southern border, but also near Canada, in Puerto Rico, and in coastal areas across the US. [music] in Washington.
### 莱万多夫斯基面临司法部刑事调查 **>>**: 我只知道我希望我手下的人诚实，如果他们不诚实，就必须被起诉。
Original English **>>**: All I know is I want my people to be honest, and if they're not going to be honest, they have to be prosecuted.
**Will Jarvis**: 《纽约时报》获悉，司法部已对科里·莱万多夫斯基（Cory Luwendowski）展开刑事调查，他是特朗普的盟友，曾担任国土安全部部长的顶级助理。据两位知情人士透露，莱万多夫斯基被指控利用其职位谋取个人私利，但目前尚不清楚具体正在调查哪些行为。 莱万多夫斯基于去年加入国土安全部，本应担任克里斯蒂·诺姆（Christi Noem）的兼职无薪顾问（诺姆当时领导该部门），但他行使的权力远远超出了该职位的范围，在诺姆不在场的情况下在她的办公室开会，并介入了政府合同的审批。据熟悉内部讨论的人士透露，一些国土安全部官员还对他在利用职务中饱私囊表示了担忧。 这已经不是莱万多夫斯基的行为第一次受到质疑了。多年来，他面临过多项指控，包括试图携带手枪进入国会办公大楼、粗暴对待一名女记者，以及对一名特朗普捐款人的妻子进行不受欢迎的性骚扰。在最后那起案件中，他面临轻罪指控，并达成了认罪协议，其中包括接受8小时的冲动控制辅导。这项新的司法部调查，是特朗普第二任期内总统盟友或任命官员因不当行为而面临调查的罕见案例。在一份声明中，莱万多夫斯基的律师否认了有关其当事人做过任何不当或非法之事的说法。
Original English **Will Jarvis**: The Times has learned that the Department of Justice has opened a criminal investigation into Cory Luwendowski, a Trump ally and former top aid to the Secretary of Homeland Security. According to two people with knowledge of the situation, Luwendowski has been accused of personally profiting from his role, though it's not immediately clear what specific actions are under investigation. Luwendowski joined DHS last year in what was supposed to be a part-time role as an unpaid adviser to Christy Noom, who was leading the department at the time, but he wielded power far beyond the scope of that role, holding meetings in her office without her and getting involved in the approval of government contracts. Some Homeland Security officials also raised concerns that he was using his role to enrich himself, according to people familiar with internal discussions. It's not the first time Luwendowski's conduct has come into question. Over the years, he's faced allegations of trying to bring a handgun into a congressional office building, roughing up a female reporter, and making unwanted sexual advances to the wife of a Trump donor. In that last case, he faced misdemeanor charges and reached a plea deal that included 8 hours of impulse control counseling. The new DOJ inquiry is a rare example in Trump's second term of one of the president's allies or appointees facing an investigation for wrongdoing. In a statement, a lawyer for Luwendowski denied suggestions that his client had done anything improper or illegal. [music]
### 俄亥俄州州长选战的攻击性广告 **Will Jarvis**: 在俄亥俄州，该州州长竞选中一段备受争议且极具人身攻击性的广告成为了政治焦点，在共和党内部引发了分歧。
Original English **Will Jarvis**: In Ohio, a controversial and highly personal attack ad in the state's governor's race has become a political flash point dividing the Republican party. [music]
**>>**: 我女儿需要帮助，如果她自己都需要帮助，她就帮不了你们。
Original English **>>**: My daughter needs help and she can't help you if she needs help herself.
**Will Jarvis**: 在这则广告中，民主党候选人艾米·阿克顿（Amy Actton）的母亲指责她的女儿在童年困境上撒谎和夸大其词。自20世纪70年代阿克顿12岁起，两人就再没有说过话。当时，这位母亲的丈夫因被控强奸阿克顿被捕，母亲支持了自己的丈夫，并失去了对阿克顿的监护权。
Original English **Will Jarvis**: In the ad, the mother of Amy Actton, the Democratic candidate, accuses her daughter of lying and exaggerating about her childhood struggles. The two have not spoken since Actton was 12 years old back in the 1970s. At that time, the mother backed her husband after he was arrested on charges that he raped Actton and the mother lost custody of her.
**>>**: 我的意思是，我认为做这种事既可怕又丑陋，令人感到悲哀。
Original English **>>**: I mean, I think it was a horrible and hideous thing to do, a sad thing.
**Will Jarvis**: 阿克顿对这则广告表达了愤怒，该广告由她的共和党对手维韦克·拉马斯瓦米（Vivek Ramaswami）的竞选团队发布。政界各派的多位人士也站出来公开反对，包括俄亥俄州现任共和党州长，他称这“极其、极其令人不安”。但党内也有一些人盛赞其为一颗重磅炸弹。副总统J·D·万斯（J. D. Vance）将对该广告的批评轻描淡写为“无理取闹”。昨晚，特朗普总统敦促拉马斯瓦米继续播放该广告。
Original English **Will Jarvis**: Actton has expressed outrage at the ad, which was put out by the campaign of her Republican opponent, Vive Ramaswami. A range of others across the political spectrum have also spoken out against it, including Ohio's sitting Republican governor who called it quote deeply, deeply troubling. But some in the party have hailed it as a bombshell. Vice President J. D. Vance downplayed criticism of the ad as whining. And last night, President Trump urged Ramaswami to keep airing it.
**>>**: 这是件大事。这就像一个大新闻，大家都在说他必须立即撤下那个广告。他必须——不，这位母亲是在指责女儿是个糟糕的人和骗子。
Original English **>>**: It's a big thing. It's like a big story about he must take that ad down immediately. He must No, the mother is calling the daughter a terrible person and a liar.
**Will Jarvis**: 总体而言，俄亥俄州州长选战一直是全美最丑陋的选举之一，双方都充斥着言辞激烈的抨击。例如，有些广告称拉马斯瓦米是个骗子和诈骗犯。但许多人表示，有母亲出镜的这则广告做得太过分了。一位曾担任拉马斯瓦米2024年总统竞选顾问的保守派电台主持人告诉《纽约时报》，谈及这则广告时，他表示：“拉马斯瓦米竞选团队正在走一条非常微妙的钢丝，”并补充说他们是在孤注一掷。就拉马斯瓦米竞选团队而言，他们选择变本加厉，本周表示计划投入400万美元在该州播放这则广告。
Original English **Will Jarvis**: Overall, the Ohio governor's race has been one of the ugliest in the nation with both sides leaning into sharply worded attacks. For example, some ads have called Ramaswami a con man and a swindler. But many say the ad with the mother went too far. One conservative radio host who advised Ramaswami's 2024 presidential campaign told the times that when it comes to that ad, quote, "It is a very fine line that the Ramaswami campaign are walking," adding that they're taking a huge bet. For its part, Ramaswami's campaign has doubled down, saying this week that it plans to spend $4 million airing the ad in the state. [music]
### 印尼森林火灾与雾霾危机 **>>**: 在整个印度尼西亚，抗议者走上街头，要求政府采取行动遏制在该国雨林肆虐的火灾。几个月来，由于干旱和厄尔尼诺现象加剧了破纪录的大火并失控蔓延，该地区数以百万计的人一直生活在令人窒息的阴霾笼罩之下。烟雾浓厚到交通被迫慢如龟速。许多学校被迫停课。一场健康危机正在不断蔓延。据印尼卫生部称，最近有数十万人遭受急性呼吸道疾病的困扰，其中许多是儿童。一位在部分火灾发生地附近工作的放射科医生告诉《纽约时报》，在他每天查看的约60张胸部X光片中，大约有三分之一显示出呼吸系统问题的迹象。街头上的抗议者现在要求该国总统宣布进入国家紧急状态，并采取措施制止刀耕火种的刀耕农业行为，许多人指责这种行为是导致大火蔓延的祸根。总统下令调动了额外的灭火资源，但也为政府迄今为止的应对进行了辩护，称“归根结底，唯一的真正解决办法就是下雨”。
Original English **>>**: [music] Across Indonesia, protesters have taken to the streets, demanding that the government take action to stop fires that are raging in the country's rainforests. For months, millions of people across the region have been living under a stifling blanket of haze as record-breaking fires fueled by drought and El Nino have burned out of control. The smoke has gotten so thick that traffic has been forced to a crawl. Many schools have been closed. And there's a growing health crisis. According to the Indonesian Health Ministry, hundreds of thousands of people, many of them children, have suffered acute respiratory illnesses recently. One radiologist who works near where some of the fires are burning, told the Times that of the roughly 60 chest X-rays he looks at a day, about a third show signs of respiratory issues. Out on the streets, protesters are now demanding that the country's president declare a national emergency and take steps to prevent the slash and burn agricultural practices that many have blamed for setting the stage for the fires. The president has ordered up additional firefighting resources, but has also defended the government's response so far, saying that quote, ultimately the only real solution is rain.
### Airbnb出台新规限制房东家务清单 **Will Jarvis**: 最后，
Original English **Will Jarvis**: And finally,
**>>**: 请向我解释一下，为什么我要支付和整晚酒店房费一样贵的清洁费，到头来还得在离开前自己打扫房源？
Original English **>>**: please explain to me why I should pay a cleaning fee that costs just as much as an entire night at a hotel only to be expected to clean the property myself before.
**Will Jarvis**: 多年以来，在Airbnb上预订住宿的人们发现，他们的度假住宿可能会附带房东给出的一份任务清单。
Original English **Will Jarvis**: Over the years, people booking on Airbnb have found that their vacation stay can come with a to-do list from the host.
**>>**: 他们让我把垃圾桶放到车里，运到路头的垃圾服务点，因为那是个乡村地区，我对这事相当恼火。
Original English **>>**: and they had me put the trash cans in my car for the trash service down the road because it was a rural area and I was pretty pissed off about that.
**Will Jarvis**: 这让一些人感到匪夷所思，他们发现自己不仅付了清洁费，还要洗床单和毛巾。如今，在收到数不清的投诉后，Airbnb表示下个月开始将约束房东合理允许向房客提出的要求。基本上不再有冗长的家务清单，不再需要倒垃圾或洗碗。该公司表示，现在房东不得强迫房客做任何“需要花费大量时间或精力，或者通常由保洁人员完成的事情”。 一些房东正在进行抵制，称新规定不合理，甚至发起了一份拥有数千个签名的在线请愿书，呼吁公司撤销这一规则变更。这项新政策出台之际，已有近20年历史的Airbnb正在调整其商业模式并扩大其业务范围。它增加了杂货配送、汽车租赁，甚至酒店房源——而它最初宣称自己正是酒店的替代品。Airbnb首席执行官在最近的财报电话会议上表示，公司正努力成为旅行的一站式平台。他在接受《纽约时报》采访时也表示，Airbnb意识到杂务确实变得太多了。他说房东需要记住：“这些人是在度假，他们也是来度假摆脱家务琐事的。” 这就是头条新闻。[音乐] 如果您还不是《纽约时报》的订阅用户，现在下载《纽约时报》应用程序，即可免费获赠整整一个月的使用权，畅读我们发布的全部内容。本节目由玛格丽特·卡迪法（Margaret Kadifa）、杰克·卢卡斯（Jake Lucas）、严·斯图尔特（Yan Stewart）、特蕾西·芒福德（Tracy Mumford）以及我威尔·贾维斯（Will Jarvis）共同制作。原创主题曲由丹·鲍威尔（Dan Powell）创作。特别鸣谢伊莎贝拉·安德森（Isabella Anderson）、山姆·多尔尼克（Sam Dolnick）、迈尔斯·麦金利（Miles McKinley）、佐伊·墨菲（Zoe Murphy）和克里斯·伍德（Chris Wood）。
Original English **Will Jarvis**: It's been a headscratcher for some people who found themselves washing sheets and towels on top of paying a cleaning fee. Now, after many, many complaints, Airbnb says it's going to rain in what hosts are reasonably allowed to ask of guests starting next month. essentially no more long chores lists, no more taking out the trash or having to do the dishes. The company said that now hosts cannot make people do anything that would quote require significant time or effort or would typically be performed by a cleaner. Some hosts are pushing back, saying the new rules are unreasonable and even starting an online petition with thousands of signatures calling on the company to reverse the rule change. The new policy comes at a time when Airbnb, which is almost 20 years old, is adjusting its business model and expanding its offerings. It added grocery delivery, car rentals, and even hotel listings, the exact thing it originally pitched itself as an alternative to. The Airbnb CEO said in a recent earnings call that the company is trying to become a one-stop shop for travel. He also told the Times in an interview that Airbnb recognizes that chores have become, yeah, a lot. He said hosts needed to remember that quote, "These people are vacation and they're on vacation from their chores." Those are the [music] headlines. And if you are not a Time subscriber yet, you can get a full month of free access [music] to everything we publish when you download the Times app now. This show is made by Margaret Kadifa, Jake Lucas, Yan Stewart, [music] Tracy Mumford, and me, Will Jarvis. Original theme by Dan Powell. Special thanks to Isabella Anderson, Sam Dolnick, Miles McKinley, Zoe Murphy, and Chris Wood.
### 新闻小测验：星链、国家公园与哥本哈根美食 **>>**: 现在是测验时间。每周，我们都会问您几个关于《纽约时报》一直报道的故事的问题。你能全部答对吗？我们开始吧。 首先， 德国警方逮捕了两名涉嫌袭击慕尼黑一家武器制造商的人员。 过去几年来，在整个欧洲各地发生了一连串小规模破坏活动。西方情报机构认为俄罗斯是策划在货运飞机上放置爆炸物背后的黑手，这可能…… 最近又发生了一连串显而易见的袭击，包括就在本周针对一种非常具体的目标发动的袭击。您的问题是：什么东西一直遭到袭击？ 提示？想想通信设备和乌克兰战争。 答案是： 星链系统（Starlink Systems）。来自SpaceX公司的互联网服务帮助乌克兰在战场上进行通信和操控无人机。星链使用卫星，但也依赖地面天线。最近，立陶宛、保加利亚和波兰当局表示，其境内的星链地面站遭到破坏，至少有一处被纵火。此前指责俄罗斯策划破坏企图的欧洲官员暗示，克里姆林宫可能也是整个星链事件背后的操盘者，尽管俄罗斯否认参与了对欧洲的任何袭击。 好，下一题。本周我们告诉您，特朗普总统已正式将亚利桑那州一片引人注目的山地沙漠指定为奇里卡瓦国家公园（Chiricahua National Park）。为了向该国第64个国家公园致敬，我们为您准备了一个关于其他公园的小小快速问答。准备好了吗？让我们从第一个国家公园开始，它是哪一个，你知道吗？ 黄石公园（Yellowstone），建立于1872年。 下一个。一年中大约有半年的时间，这个国家公园里的某个特定地点会在全国其他任何地方之前迎来第一缕日出。 那是缅因州海岸阿卡迪亚国家公园（Acadia National Park）的凯迪拉克山（Cadillac Mountain）。 好的，第三题是：一棵高约380英尺、被称为亥伯龙树（Hyperion）的树所在地，它是世界上最高的树。 亥伯龙树位于红木国家公园（Redwood National Park）。如果你猜的是巨杉国家公园（Sequoia National Park），你可能想到的是被称为雪曼将军树（General Sherman）的那棵巨树，它只有275英尺高，并不是最高的。但从体积来看，它在技术上是最大的树。 快速问答的最后一题，这个稍微难一点。据国家公园保护协会称，这是唯一一个在冬季完全对公众关闭的公园。那是因为那里的天气状况可能会变得过于极端。如果你以为是阿拉斯加，那就再想想吧。它实际上在中西部。 答案是： 皇家岛国家公园（Isle Royale National Park），远在苏必利尔湖中央，冬天那里可能会遭受冰冷刺骨的20英尺巨浪袭击。 最后一个问题，这么简单的东西怎么会这么好吃？这是一种“Bolle med ost”，字面意思是奶酪小圆面包。在一座首都城市，有一种美食潮流席卷了全城。
Original English **>>**: [music] Now, time for the quiz. Every week, we ask you a few questions about stories the Times has been covering. Can you get them all? Here we go. First up, German police arrested two people suspected of attacking a weapons manufacturer in Munich. Across Europe over the past few years, there has been a flurry of smallcale sabotage. Western intel agencies think Russia is behind a plot to put explosives on cargo planes that could and recently there's been a new string of apparent attacks including one just this week on a very specific type of target. Your question what has been getting hit? A hint? Think communications equipment and the war in Ukraine. The answer, Starlink Systems. The internet service from the company SpaceX has helped Ukraine communicate and steer drones on the battlefield. Starlink uses satellites, but also relies on antennas on the ground. And recently, authorities in Lithuania, Bulgaria, and Poland say Starlink ground stations in their countries have been vandalized, and at least one case set on fire. European officials who've pointed the finger at Russia for previous sabotage attempts have suggested the Kremlin could be behind the whole Starlink situation too, though Russia's denied any involvement in attacks on Europe. Okay, next question. This week we told you about how President Trump has officially designated a stretch of dramatic mountainous desert in Arizona as Churikawa National Park. So, in honor of the nation's 64th National Park, we've got a little lightning round for you with a few questions about other parks out there. Ready? Let's start with the very first national park, [music] which was, do you know it? Yellowstone, [music] founded in 1872. Next one. For about half the year, one particular spot in this national park gets the first glimpse of sunrise [music] before any other place in the country. That is Cadillac [music] Mountain in Acadia National Park up on the coast of Maine. All right, your third one is the home of a roughly 380 ft tall tree known as Hyperion, the tallest tree in the world. [music] Hyperion is in Redwood National Park. If you said Seoia National Park, you're probably thinking of the massive tree known as General Sherman, which is not the tallest at a measly 275 ft. But it is technically the biggest tree by volume. [music] And last question in the lightning round, this one's a bit trickier. According to the National Parks Conservation Association, this is the only park that is fully closed to the public during the winter. That's because weather conditions there can get too extreme. If you're thinking Alaska, think again. It's actually in the Midwest. The answer, Isle Royale National Park, way out in the middle of Lake Superior, which can be battered by ice cold 20ft tall waves in [music] winter. And last question, how can something this simple be this good? This is a which literally translates to bun with cheese. In one capital city, there's a food trend that has absolutely taken over.
**>>**: 这是最标志性的烘焙坊点心之一，可以在午餐、早晨或作为下午茶点心食用。
Original English **>>**: It's one of the most iconic bakery orders which can be eaten in lunch, morning, or as a afternoon snack.
**>>**: 只是面包、黄油和奶酪。但这种极其简单的三明治已经成为全城烘焙店的畅销品。一家连锁烘焙坊表示，他们每个月能卖出3万个。你的问题是，你知道哪个城市为奶酪三明治陷入疯狂了吗？ 这里有一个提示，那是它在当地语言中的名称。
Original English **>>**: It's just bread, butter, and cheese. But the ultra simple sandwiches have become a bestseller at bakeries across the city. One bakery chain says it sells 30,000 of them every month. Your question, do you know what city has gone cheese sandwich crazy? A hint here is the name of it in the local language.
**>>**: 涂黄油和夹奶酪的面包卷。
Original English **>>**: Roll with butter and cheese.
**>>**: 答案是：哥本哈根。
Original English **>>**: The answer, Copenhagen.
**>>**: 我承认当我刚开始做这个报道时，我持怀疑态度。我不太确定这些东西究竟能有多好吃。它不过就是面包、黄油和奶酪。但当我到达丹麦并吃了我人生中第一个Bull Meadows时，我真的很佩服在制作这些食物上投入了多少心血。
Original English **>>**: I admit that when I started doing this reporting, I was skeptical. I wasn't sure how good these things could really be. It's just bread, butter, and cheese. But when I arrived in Denmark and I had my first Bull Meadows, I really developed a respect for how much effort has gone into these.
**>>**: 我的同事阿米莉亚·尼尔伯格（Amelia Nerburgg）一直在报道这一现象。各家面包店不断地在面团、烘烤、面粉、黄油和奶酪上进行实验，努力确保自家的产品独树一帜。他们力求做出这款无比简单的三明治的最完美版本。美食评论家告诉我，基本上简单就是精髓所在。你可以在一道花哨的菜肴里玩很多花样来掩盖不足，但如果你只有三种原料，就无处可藏。你无法弄虚作假。你的基本功必须出类拔萃，否则就不值得做。 这就是本周新闻问答的全部内容。如果您想告诉我们您的答题情况，或者如果您找到了飞往哥本哈根的特价机票，我们的电子邮件是 headlines@nytimes.com。本节目将于周一回归，届时由特蕾西·芒福德主持。
Original English **>>**: My colleague Amelia Nerburgg has been covering the phenomenon. Bakeries are constantly experimenting with the dough and the bake and the flour and the butter and the cheese, trying to make sure theirs is distinctive. Theirs is the most perfect possible version of this incredibly simple sandwich. And what food critics told me is basically that the simplicity is the point. You can do a lot with a fancy dish to hide your sins, but if you just have three ingredients, like there's nowhere to hide. You can't fake it. Your fundamentals have to be excellent or it's not worth doing. [music] That is it for this week's news quiz. If you want to let us know how you did or if you find a great deal on flights to Copenhagen, our email is the headlines at ny times.com. [music] The show will be back on Monday with Tracy Mumford.