--- author: a16z date: '2026-10-31' guest: '' layout: post.njk source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d83IiEU7_0 speaker: a16z tags: - hip-hop - music-history - oral-history - urban-culture title: 嘻哈先驱 Kurtis Blow 对话实录：从纽约街头到时代传奇 summary: 嘻哈先驱 Kurtis Blow 与 Run-DMC 成员 Joey 等人回顾早期嘻哈历史，讲述从 1970 年代纽约荒芜街区、迪斯科浪潮中诞生嘻哈文化，到签约主流厂牌、提携后辈并走向全球舞台的经历。 insight: '' draft: true series: '' category: culture-history area: society-thinking project: [] people: - Kurtis Blow - Russell Simmons - Joey Simmons companies_orgs: [] products_models: [] media_books: - Krush Groove - If I Ruled the World status: evergreen --- ### 嘻哈诞生前夕与向传奇致敬 在嘻哈成为一项全球商业帝国之前，在世人理解这种音乐的潜力之前，Curtis Blow 就已经身在现场，协助创造历史。我们从零开始构建了这种音乐和文化。当时我们甚至不叫它嘻哈，而是叫 rocking、breaking、burning、partying。Curtis，看到当年的小 Joey 成为 Run-DMC，你感觉如何？我还记得他 13 岁时的样子。[音乐] 我以前总是护着他不被 Russell 欺负。没人能碰他。就像电影《Krush Groove》里那样。站在这里的这位仁兄，曾是我的心头肉，现在依然是。这个人曾说过：“如果我统治世界（If I rule the world）”，你确实统治了世界。所以我不得不和 Lauryn Hill 女士一起重新翻唱了你的歌。老兄，你觉得那首歌怎么样？
Original English Before hip-hop became a global business, before the world understood what this music could be, Curtis Blow was out there helping make history. We built the music and the culture from the ground up. We didn't even call it hip-hop. It was called rocking, breaking, burning, partying. How does it feel, Curtis, to see little Joey become grunt DMC? I remember him at 13. [music] I used to protect him from Russell. Could nobody touch him. Like the movie Crush Groove. This guy right here, he was my heart. Still is. This man said, "If I rule the world, you did rule the world. So I had to do your song over with Miss Lauren Hill. How did you like that song, my brother?"
>> 我的天啊，
Original English >> Oh my gosh,
>> 伙计。我正和……是啊。
Original English >> man. I'm on a stage with Yeah.
>> 和我所有的英雄同台。
Original English >> All all my heroes.
>> 我所有的英雄。嘿，
Original English >> All my heroes. Hey,
>> 你知道吗，当年你们在我眼里就像收音机一样。我小时候，收音机正面的扬声器就是我凝视的对象。我常常盯着收音机看，心想：他们的生活到底是什么样的？
Original English >> you know the way y'all look like y'all look like radios back then. I was as a kid. That was the face speakers was what I was looking at. I was stare at the radio just like what's their lives like?
>> 好吧，我觉得我该系下鞋带了。
Original English >> Well, I think I should tie my shoes.
>> 那双鞋也很漂亮，Blow 先生。Blow 先生
Original English >> Those some nice shoes too, Mr. Blow. Mr. Blow
>> 真利落。所以，女士们先生们，今晚我们在这里庆祝这位文化的奠基人之一。在嘻哈成为全球商业之前，在全世界理解这种音乐能够成就什么之前，Curtis Blow 就已经身先士卒协助创造历史。对我个人而言，他的音乐成了我人生旅程的一部分。因此，今晚的对话不仅关乎唱片，更关乎传承。关乎这个人、他所发起的运动，以及他所承载的遗产。那么，让我们直接切入正题。有请 Curtis Blow 先生，王者。 那是一种怎样的景象？请带我回到当年的纽约哈莱姆区，回到签唱片合约之前，回到那些大热金曲诞生之前。年轻的 Curtis Walker 当时有着怎样的梦想？你可曾想象过嘻哈会带着你走向全世界？
Original English >> clean. So, tonight, ladies and gentlemen, we're celebrating one of the architects of this culture. Before hip-hop became a global business, before the world understood what this music could be, Curtis Blow was out there helping make history. And for me personally, his music became part of my own journey. So, this conversation is more about uh legacy and than records. It's about the man, the movement he started, and the legacy he carries. So, let's get right into it. Mr. The Curtis Blow, The King. What was it like? Take me back to Harlem, New York, before the record deals, before the hit records. What was young Curtis Walker dreaming about? Did you ever imagine hip-hop would take you around the world?
### 从废墟与迪斯科中萌芽的文化 >> 哇。嗯，你知道，回想起嘻哈真正崭露头角、极其新潮的那些日子。我的意思是，当时我们甚至不叫它嘻哈。它被称为 rocking，
Original English >> Wow. Well, you know, going back to those days when hip hop hop was really, really brand new. I mean, we didn't even call it hip-hop. It was called rocking,
>> breaking，
Original English >> breaking,
burning，party。你知道，我们只是热爱音乐，想痛痛快快玩一场。你要明白整个大环境的背景是，我们刚刚走出 20 世纪 60 年代的民权运动。
Original English burning, party. You know, we just love music and we wanted to have a good time. You know, it the context of the whole situation was we were coming out of the civil rights movement
>> 在 1960 年代。
Original English >> in the 1960s.
我记得马丁·路德·金遇刺，Malcolm X，还有肯尼迪总统（JFK）、罗伯特·肯尼迪（RFK）。社区组织者、活动人士与政府官员辩论、抗议、争论不休。那段时期充满了创伤。但当时有一位写了书的社区组织者说过这么一句话，他说：“街的一边大楼在燃烧，街另一边的孩子们却在试图拼凑创造出些什么。”
Original English I remember Martin Luther King was assassinated. Malcolm X, you know, JFK, RFK, you know, community organizers were having debates and protests with activists and government officials and they were arguing. It was traumatic during that time. But there was a community organizer who wrote a book and he had this one statement. He said, "You know, the buildings are burning down on one side of the street, but the kids on the other are trying to put something together."
>> 而且，我不知道你是否了解 70 年代的布朗克斯。当时有一部纪录片叫《燃烧的布朗克斯》（The Bronx is Burning）之类的。房东们为了套取保险金，会故意纵火烧毁自己的大楼。所以每个街区都有一栋被彻底烧毁的楼房。我们也常在这些废弃建筑里闲逛，你可以走进去。以前我们第一次看到类似涂鸦的东西，就是有人用记号笔在墙上写字：“我叫 John。我曾在这里。现在我不在了。”所以现在你知道了。[笑声] 那就是涂鸦，但当时它像是一种破败废弃的迹象。我还记得总统来到纽约，他拒绝拨付款项，因为纽约当时破产了。我记得报纸头条写着总统拒绝向纽约市提供清理破败的联邦援助，因为到处都是建筑荒废破败的景象。但我们正是从那个时代走出来的，在那个一无所有的时刻。我们一无所有。我们凭空从零开始建立起了这种音乐和文化。
Original English >> And you know, I don't know if you know about the Bronx in the 70s. There was a documentary called The Bronx is Burning and All of that. and and and landlord owners would just fire up, you know, put their building on on fire just to collect the insurance money. And so every block had a building been burnt down to the ground. So we also hung out in these abandoned buildings and you can go in there. Used to the first time we would see something like graffiti, you know, guy with sign on the wall with a magic marker. My name is John. Here I am. Now I'm not here. So now you know. [laughter] And so um you know that was a graffiti but it was like degragation. And I remember uh the president came to New York's and he refused to give us money because New York was broke at the time. And so uh I remember the newspaper the president says no to federal aid to New York City to clean it up because all the the degragation that was going on with the buildings and everything. But you know, we came out of that era that that that moment in time where we didn't have anything. We had nothing. We built the music and the culture from the ground up with nothing.
>> 确实如此。
Original English >> Absolutely.
>> 凭空创造。纯粹是对音乐的热爱，这非常非常重要。对我们来说，它更像是一种逃避现实的方式。我记得去俱乐部时，把头贴在音箱上，感受低音一路震颤到我的脚趾尖，然后闭上双眼彻底沉浸其中。对我来说，那就是嘻哈。
Original English >> With nothing. just the love of the music, you know, it was very very important, you know. Uh it was more like escapism for us. Uh I remember just going to the club and and putting my head in the speaker and listening to the bass rumble all the way down to my toes and I would close my eyes and just go off. And that was hip-hop to me, you know.
>> 你当时听的是迪斯科音乐吗？
Original English >> Was it disco music you was listening to?
>> 问得好，因为那绝对是迪斯科。我是那个时代的狂热支持者。迪斯科音乐至关重要。就像我说的，我们刚走出民权运动，获得了投票权，接着迎来了嬉皮士、“花之子”以及“爱邻人”运动，跳舞成了我们最盛大的消遣。所有人工作一整周，辛苦工作整周后，你会在周末去往市中心的迪斯科或俱乐部。那里有频闪灯、迪斯科球，灯光闪烁，每个人都西装领带、身着丝绸长裙，打扮得光鲜亮丽，整夜起舞。那就是当时的一切。所以，嘻哈是从那个时代脱胎而来的。
Original English >> Uh uh that's a good question because it it was definitely disco. I am uh a avid supporter of that era. Uh disco music was so very important. Like I say, you know, we're coming out of the civil rights movement and then we have the right to vote and then we have the hippies and the flower childs and you know, love your neighbor movement and dancing became our greatest pastime. Everyone would work all week. You work hard all week. You go to the disco or the club downtown with the strobe lights and the disco ball and the lights are flashing and everybody's looking good with suits and ties and silk dresses and we danced the night away and that was it. So, so hip hop came out of that era.
>> 是的。我把它称为迪斯科的一种突变。
Original English >> Yeah. I called it a mutation
>> 迪斯科的突变。
Original English >> of disco.
>> 哇。更确切地说，它是贫民窟迪斯科（ghetto disco）。
Original English >> Wow. Even more so, it's ghetto disco.
>> 没错，我喜欢这个说法。[清嗓子]
Original English >> Yeah, I like that. [clears throat]
### 早期 DJ 与 MC 探索之路 >> 我来自街头，人在哈莱姆。我没有钱付那些俱乐部的门票。所以在 1975 年，我 16 岁时，在第 42 街搞了一张假身份证，
Original English >> I'm from the hood. I'm up in Harlem. I didn't have the money to pay to get in those clubs. So, in 1975, I was 16. I got a phony ID down on 42nd Street,
>> 对吧？
Original English >> right?
>> 是的。那张证件让我变成了 21 岁。
Original English >> Yeah. And so it made me 21.
>> 哇。
Original English >> Wow.
>> 这样我就可以进所有的俱乐部了，伙计。我去过 Levigotas、Nemo、Neguins、Superstar、Cafeteria、Hotel Diplomat、Iponymas、the garage。伙计，我全去过。凡是你能叫得出名字的。我跑遍了纽约市的每一家迪斯科，因为我当时正在学习成为一名 DJ。我想观察所有不同的风格，做我的研究并弄个明白。没问题。是的。然后我跑到了布朗克斯第 371 俱乐部的 DJ Hollywood 那里。
Original English >> So I could get in all the clubs, man. I went to the Levigotas, the Nemo, Neguins, Superstar, Cafeteria, Hotel Diplomat, Iponymas, the garage. Man, I was there. You name it. I went to every disco in New York City because I was studying to become a DJ. So, I wanted to see all the different styles and do my research and find out. All right. Yeah. So, I ran up to DJ Hollowway up in the Bronx 371.
>> 我还以为他是哈莱姆来的。DJ……
Original English >> I thought he's from Harlem. DJ,
>> 他确实来自哈莱姆，但他当时在第 371 俱乐部——“欢乐与趣味之屋”（House of Joy and Fun）是头牌。
Original English >> he's from Harlem, but he was number one up at Club 371, the House of Joy and Fun.
>> 就是这样。我见到了他。想进场的人排队排了一整圈街区。伙计，我亲眼看到那个人在麦克风上展现出了我前所未闻的惊人技巧。而我当时已经是一名 MC 了，对吧？我从 1974 年起就在哈莱姆的 the Wham 搞说唱，或者叫当 MC。
Original English >> And that was it. I saw him. He had a line around the block trying to get it in. And man, I saw this man just do some incredible stuff on the microphone that I never heard before. Now I'm an MC already, right? I've been rapping or let's say MCing since 1974 in Harlem at the Wham
>> 74 年。
Original English >> 74.
>> 74 年是我开始当 MC 的时候。我当时在模仿我电台里的偶像，他叫 Hank Span，来自 WWRL Super 16 电台。[笑声]
Original English >> In 74 is when I started MCN. I was trying to impersonate my hero on the radio. His name was Hank Span. WWRL Super 16 on the server. [laughter]
>> 哇。
Original English >> Wow.
>> 所以我在一家叫 the Wham 的俱乐部模仿他的声音。那是一个位于第 152 街和阿姆斯特丹大道交汇处（the hill）的老警察局，就在 battlegrounds 的对面。我知道你肯定听说过 battlegrounds，第 151 街和 152 街交界，那里有个公园。我们就在那里进行 battle。不过无论如何，
Original English >> So, so I did that voice impersonating him at a a club called the Wham. It was a old police station on 152nd Street in Amsterdam, the hill, and across the street from the battlegrounds. I know you heard of the battlegrounds. 151st and 152nd. It's a park right there. We did battles right there. Uh, but anyway,
>> 真正的历史啊，各位。
Original English >> real history, y'all.
>> 那是我的第一份工作。
Original English >> That was my first job.
>> 真正的历史，真实的纽约历史，
Original English >> Real history, the real New York history
>> 以及嘻哈历史。
Original English >> and hip-hop history.
>> 是的。所以，
Original English >> Yeah. So,
### 与 Russell 结识及初露锋芒 >> 来自亲历者口述。那么，你后来是怎么被发掘的？抱歉打断你。Curtis Blow 是如何作为说唱歌手被发掘，并签约成为首位签约主流厂牌的说唱歌手的？
Original English >> for somebody that was there. So, how did you how did you get discovered? Sorry to cut you off. How did how did Curtis Blow get discovered as a rapper and signed to to be the first rapper on a major label?
嗯，随着时间推移，你知道，我说服了 Russell。我和 Russell 是在 1977 年大学里认识的。我比他早一年上大学。我 17 岁遇到 Russell 时，说服他来哈莱姆我所在的街区听我做 DJ。
Original English Um, well, as the years went by, you know, I convinced Russell. Russell and I met in college 77. Uh, well, I went to college a year earlier. Um, I was at 17 when I met Russell and convinced him to come over to my block in Harlem and listen to me DJ.
>> 我当时全安排好了。我带上了我的团队、我的队伍，整条街的人都在场。现场挤得水泄不通，大概有 150 人参加那场家庭派对。我坐在那里，展示着我的全部 Hollywood 招牌风格。我喊着：“举起你们的双手，尽情挥舞仿佛毫不在意；如果你们穿了干净的内衣，大声说一句‘Oh yeah’。”
Original English >> So, I had it all set up. I had my crew, you know, my team, my whole block was there. It was crowded. We had, I don't know, about 150 PE people in a house party. And I'm sitting there, I'm doing my whole Hollywood. I'm throw your hands in the air and waving them like you just don't care. And if you got on clean underwear, somebody say, "Oh yeah."
>> Oh yeah。[笑声] 没错。有人尖叫着回应，全场群起响应，他听到了这些。那是我们事先布置好的，你知道的，等他一进来，我说：“好了，开始。”对，我们放起了《Good Times》。我的天啊。[笑声] Nile Rodgers 的歌，你知道的。我为 Russell 炸裂演出了《Good Times》，我们成了朋友。回到学校后，我学的是传播学专业。我在传播学里学到的是：如果你想在大城市立足，你要知道在当时的纽约竞争非常激烈，78、79 年那会儿至少有 50 个 MC。所以，我学到了如果你想竞争，就要走到城市边缘，走到我们所谓的偏远郊区（boondocks），去积累自己的成绩记录。在这个市场拿到第一，在那个市场拿到第一，然后再回到大城市说：“嘿，伙计，给我个机会。我在这里是第一，在那里也是第一，我有拿得出手的实绩等等等等。”这才是无论应聘什么工作都能成功的方法。于是我对 Russell 说：“咱们去你的街区开一家俱乐部吧。”我们开了 Night Fevers 迪斯科，在那里我遇到了 Run 和 Joey。周末我常去那边，住在他家里。
Original English >> Oh yeah. [laughter] Right. And somebody screamed, "Oh, all that stuff, the crowd response and he heard that and our crowd, it was set up, you know, when he came in. I said, "All right, let's go." Right. And we threw on good times. Oh my gosh. [laughter] now Rogers, you know, and so I rocked the good times for Russell and we became friends. Uh went back to school and I learned in communications, that was my major. I learned in communications is you want to make it in the big city. You know, New York, we had a lot of competition like at least 50 MC's during that time, you know, in 7879. And so, uh, I said, uh, um, I learned that if you want to compete, go out to the outskirts of the city into the what we call the boondocks and get yourself a track record, you know, pull out a number one in this market, a number one in this market, and then come back to the big city and say, "Hey, man, give me a shot. I'm number one here. I'm number one over there. You know, I'm doing my thing. I got a track record blah blah blah blah blah right and that's how you get successfully you know a job on anything but then so I said Russell let's open up a club out in your hood we opened up the night fevers disco and that's where I met Ron Joey and uh so I used to go out there on the weekends and stay at his house
>> 我以前常给你们做早餐。
Original English >> I used to cook breakfast for y'all
>> 没错。[笑声] 我们就像个大家庭。在 Ron 家相聚，
Original English >> yeah [laughter] and and and so we had a great family. I got together Ron's house,
>> 你知道的。
Original English >> you know. Uh
### 与 Joey (Run) 的师徒情深 >> 我以前经常发传单，贴在牙买加大道上。贴传单是我干的第一份工作。
Original English >> I used to give flyers, put the flyers up on Jamaica Avenue. That was my first job to put flyers up.
>> Rush Productions 演出经纪公司。
Original English >> Rush Productions.
>> 没错。
Original English >> Yep.
>> Rush Productions。Kurt 当时作为推广人与 Russell 一起隶属于 Rush Productions。他们共同推广 Kurt。他们俩都在纽约市立大学（CCNY）上学，对吧？而我只是个想跟着一起混的小屁孩。为了能参与进去，我什么都愿意干。不管是做早餐、帮他们拿袜子还是做其他事。我记得我父亲还开车带他去商店。我就是在旁边伺候他们，只想千方百计挤进去，而 Kurt 把我护在了他的羽翼之下。
Original English >> Rush Productions. And Kurt was down with Rush Productions as a promoter with Russell. They promoted Kurt. They both went to CCNY, right? And I was just a little kid wanting to be down. So whatever I could do to get down, I would do. Whether I was cook breakfast or get them socks or whatever. I remember my father taking him to the store. I just used to cater to them and I was just trying to sneak my way in and Kurt took me under the wing.
>> 没错。是的。还有你讲过的关于你摔断胳膊的故事。
Original English >> Yep. Yeah. And and and you know that story that you told about you uh breaking your arm.
>> 是的。
Original English >> Yes.
>> 其实断的是手腕。
Original English >> It was your wrist.
>> 是手腕。
Original English >> My wrist.
>> 我当时还以为是你的手臂。
Original English >> I thought it was your arm.
>> 不，是手腕。我摔断了手腕。
Original English >> No, it was my wrist. I broke my wrist. Okay.
>> 当时我心都碎了，不仅手腕骨折，心里也极其难受，因为我没法去巡演了，我当时是他的 DJ。
Original English >> And um I was heartbroken because not only my wrist was broke, my heart was broke cuz I couldn't go on tour cuz I was his DJ.
>> 确实。不过 Ron，你当时多大？
Original English >> Yeah. But but how old were you, Ron?
>> 我大概十四五岁吧。
Original English >> I was probably 14, 15,
>> 瞧。我那时经常住在他家，对吧？因为我周末要带着整整两箱黑胶唱片，倒火车、乘公交赶过去。后来我开起了出租车。
Original English >> you see. And and so I used to stay at his house a lot, right? Because I'm counting out on the weekend with a whole two crates of records and taking the train and a bus and all that. And then I started driving cab.
>> 你在当说唱歌手之前是做 DJ 的。
Original English >> You was a DJ before you was a rapper.
>> 噢，对，没错。
Original English >> Oh yeah. Yeah.
>> 他更像是 DJ 和说唱歌手的结合体。
Original English >> He was like a mixture of a DJ and a rapper.
>> 当然。是的，是的，是的。我还记得。你们两位当年都是这样。
Original English >> Of course. Yes. Yes. Yes. I remember that. Both both of you were.
>> 是的，我一开始是当 DJ。但有一点，比如 Joey 楼上有个阁楼，对吧？
Original English >> Yes. I started out as a DJ. But the one thing like Joey used to he had an attic upstairs, right?
>> 是的，我从我哥哥那里接管过来的。
Original English >> Yeah. I took it over from my brother.
>> 他和整个团队以前都在上面。他爸爸给他买了一些唱机。
Original English >> Him and the whole crew used to be up there. His dad bought him some turns.
>> 唱片机。没错。但其实不是，是你给我付酬劳，我才买得起唱盘。
Original English >> Turntables. Yep. But I No, you bought the turntables by paying me.
>> 啊。
Original English >> Ah.
>> 你以前一场演出付我 35 美元，那在当时堪比一笔巨款。我买了一些 Quantas 唱机。我当时买不起 Technics。还记得 Quantas 吗？我就是用它们做 DJ 的。我的手速练得非常快，快到简直能抓住空气。
Original English >> Used to give me $35 a show, which was a billion dollars back then. And I brought some quantas. I wasn't able to get the techniques. Remember the quantas? And I used to DJ. And I got real fast. I used to go so fast you just catch air.
>> 他太厉害了。作为……难以置信。
Original English >> He was awesome. Incredible as a
>> 抓空气。
Original English >> catching air.
>> 没什么，这位女士刚准备说话。我们以前有一套流程：他会一个人先出场打一会儿碟，然后我走出去，甚至都不用做自我介绍，直接开始打碟，接着他拿起麦克风开始说唱。
Original English >> Nothing. The lady's about to say something. We had a show. He would come out by himself DJ for a little while and then I come out, not even introduce myself and start DJing. And he would take the mic and start rapping.
>> 没错。我就是在长岛的一个溜冰场遇到了我妻子。
Original English >> Yep. That's where I met my wife at at at a Long Island um ring.
>> 等他表演完几首曲目后，他又会回到唱机前切出我们的开场音效。是的，然后我来开启下半场演出。
Original English >> And then after he did a couple of numbers, he would come back to the turntables and cut up our intro. Yes. And I would start the show
>> 我就是在那里琢磨出了呼喊介绍他的桥段，然后全场喊：“Curtis [清嗓子] Blow，Curtis Blow。”这套点子是我想出来的。
Original English >> and that's how the um I came up with calling him out and then they t Curtis [clears throat] Blow Curtis Blow. I came up with that.
>> 那确实是他的主意。
Original English >> That was his idea.
>> 后来等我自立门户后，他就换成呼喊介绍我为 Run。
Original English >> So then he called me out run once I became my own person.
>> 啊。
Original English >> Ah,
>> 我当时就琢磨着，可以用一张黑胶唱片搓盘他的名字来隆重介绍他。我就一直那么做，直到我手腕骨折，不得不交棒给 Davey。他们会播放《Christmas Rappin'》，然后隆重请出 Curtis Blow。等到我成为 Run 时，我告诉 Jay 也在台上那样隆重介绍我为 Run。是的。
Original English >> so I was thinking I could take a record and scratch his name and call him out. So I was doing that until I broke my wrist and I passed it to Davey and they would throw on Christmas rapping and then you call Curtis Blow out and by the time I became run Jay I taught told Jay called me out run. Yep.
>> 那太疯狂了。
Original English >> That's crazy.
>> 太不可思议了。
Original English >> That's incredible.
>> 真实的故事。
Original English >> True story.
### 《Krush Groove》与舞台叛逆风潮 >> Curtis，看到当年那个小 Joey 蜕变成 Run-DMC，你心里是什么感受？作为领路人，你当时是怎样的心情？
Original English >> How does it feel Curtis to see little Joey become Run DMC? How did that feel for you? Because you mentored him,
>> 伙计，简直天翻地覆。我还记得他 13 岁时的模样。以前我总是护着他不让 Russell 欺负。
Original English >> man. It's like my god. I remember him at 13. I used to protect him from Russell.
>> 没错。正是。
Original English >> Yep. Yep.
>> 无论何时何地，谁都不许动他一根汗毛。就像电影里演的那样。
Original English >> Could nobody touch him anywhere. Like the movie.
>> 我当时就像他的儿子。
Original English >> I was his son.
>> 宛如 Curtis Blow 的亲儿子。就像电影《Krush Groove》里表现的那样。
Original English >> Like the the son of Curtis Blow. Like the movie Crush Groove.
>> 完全一模一样。
Original English >> Everything.
>> 眼前这个人，曾是我的心头肉，现在依然是。
Original English >> This This guy right here, he was my heart. Still is.
>> 是的。
Original English >> Yes.
>> 我的至亲。能遇到他我非常幸运。
Original English >> My heart. I was very lucky to have him.
>> 确实。
Original English >> Yes. Yes.
>> 他对我照顾得无微不至。我当年甚至都不明白自己凭什么，怎么就能和 Curtis Blow 走到一起，但能跟随 Curtis Blow 混在一起是天大的荣耀。后来我们还一起拍了电影《Krush Groove》，一起巡演。
Original English >> Took care of me. I didn't even know why. I couldn't figure out how I got to be down with Curtis Blow, but it was a big big honor to be down with Curtis Blow. And um then we made movies together. Crush Groove and we tooured together.
>> 我最喜欢的电影之一。不知各位有没有看过《Krush Groove》。如果你们还没看过，一定要去看。那部电影 1985 年上映。这些兄弟们在银幕上大放异彩。我当年去电影院看的时候简直看疯了。昨晚我和 Doc 通话，他也提到了这部电影，提到了你和你兄弟争吵的那场戏。
Original English >> One of my favorite movies. I don't know if you've seen Crush Groove. If you didn't see Crush Groove, you got to see it. Came out 1985. These brothers was doing it. I went to movie theaters and I lost my mind. actually talked to Doc last night and he said he referenced the movie and he talked about when the scene with you and your brother arguing. Yep.
>> 接着你登上了舞台。不知道你愿不愿意跟观众分享这个。
Original English >> And then you went on stage. I don't know if you want to share this.
>> 我愿意分享，
Original English >> I'll share it
>> 和大家聊聊。你是从哪里想出那句……
Original English >> with the people. Where did you get the
>> “这是老子的地盘（This is my mother effing house）”。我是从 Eddie Murphy 那里学来的，因为 Eddie Murphy 曾经讲过一个关于他父亲的笑话，他父亲常说：“这是我的地盘，这是我自己的房子。[笑声] 要是不爽，你就滚出去。”我私底下总把这句话挂在嘴边。Jay 就说：“你应该在台上把这话吼出来。”我当时愣住了：“什么？在台上说？”于是我直接吼道：“这是老子的……”后来我告诉了 Eddie，Eddie 听了直呼：“少来这套，扯淡吧。”我说：“是真的，我就是从你那借来的。”因为我非常崇拜 Eddie，他就住在长岛离我很近，人又极其风趣幽默，我那句口头禅就是这么来的。
Original English >> This is my mother effing house. I got it from Eddie Murphy cuz Eddie Murphy made the joke about his father saying this my house. This is my my house. [laughter] If you don't like it, you can get out. And I used to say that all the time. And Jay said, "You need to say that on stage." I was like, "What? Say it." I WAS LIKE, "THIS IS MY MOTHER." AND AND THEN I TOLD EDDIE. Eddie was like, "Get the out of here." I'm like, "No, I got that from you." He's like, "Because I was inspired by Eddie cuz he lived right in Long Island and he was so close and he was so funny and that's where my Emma effing house came from."
>> 这段台词是你设计的。出了这么多巨星。是 Russell 想出来的，因为当时我和 Kurt 以及 Fat Boys 一起巡演，Fat Boys 就是他担任制作人的。他也参与制作了 Run-DMC 的一些作品。我的角色……虽然在我眼里他就像我的父亲，但你知道的，年轻人总会想跟父亲暗暗较劲。所以我今天非常高兴能当面给他应有的赞誉和荣光，因为我当年是个坏小子。有很长一段时间我都算不上一个好儿子。我……
Original English >> You came up with this part. There's been a whole lot of superstars. Russell came up with that because I was on tour with Kurt and the Fat Boys which he produced the Fat Boys. He produced some Run DMC and my job. I mean I see he was my dad but you know you competitive with your father. I that's why I'm just so happy I was able to give him his flowers today because I I was a bad kid. I was not a I was not a good son for a while. I
>> 不，是我没做好榜样。
Original English >> No, I was bad father.
>> 好吧，他说他是个坏父亲。所以我当时就想把所有人都臭骂一通。我总是冲上台大喊“这是老子的地盘”，怒摔麦克风支架，举止疯狂。我也不知道自己到底从哪学来的这股劲儿，但是……
Original English >> Well, he was a bad father's a bad So I just wanted to curse everybody out. So I used to come out and say this is my house and I did it throw mic stands and act crazy. I don't know where I got it from but um
>> 那是皇后区的做派。
Original English >> it's a queen stand.
>> 我猜也是从 Kurt 那儿学来的，
Original English >> Got it from Kurt I guess
>> Kurt 就是我的骨肉至亲。
Original English >> and Kurt is blood.
>> 你知道他们以前演出结束时还会干什么吗？他们会……
Original English >> You know what else they used to do at the end of this show? They say
>> 或者是摔话筒。
Original English >> or throw the mic down.
>> 他们以前总把话筒直接砸在地上。我们带着浑身能想到的所有狂妄叛逆劲儿。
Original English >> They used to drop the mic down. We're on every bit of attitude I could figure out.
>> 他们每晚都在砸坏麦克风。调音师跑来找我。调音师对我说：“Kurt，Kurt，求求你，能不能去跟他们谈谈，让他们别再砸麦克风了？因为他们每晚都在砸坏麦克风。我们……”
Original English >> They're crushing microphones every night. So the sound man comes to me. The sound man says, "Kurt, Kurt, please, please, can you talk to them and tell them stop dropping the mics because they're breaking the mics every night? We have
>> 在他和 Jesse Jackson 之间周旋。对。
Original English >> between him and and Jesse Jackson." Right.
>> 对。我……
Original English >> Right. I I was
>> 去让他们别再满嘴脏话了。
Original English >> TELL THEM TO STOP CURSING.
>> 不，没有。我的态度就像是：“不，直接让他们赔钱就行了。”
Original English >> NO, NO. I was like I was like, "No, just make them pay for it."
>> 我掏钱赔了。[笑声]
Original English >> I paid for it. [laughter]
>> 你们挣了大钱，赔得起。我做我想做的事，但绝不妥协。而你是第一个跟 Nile Rodgers 以及所有其他顶级大牌乐队一同巡演的嘻哈艺人，对吧？
Original English >> You'll make good money for it. I did what I had to do, but I didn't stop. And you were like the first hip-hop artist on tours with the big gigantic now Rogers and all these other big bands, right?
### 与巨星同台及《If I Ruled the World》的传承 >> 作为那个唯一的说唱歌手，置身于那帮从未见过说唱音乐的大牌阵容之间，巡演是种怎样的体验？
Original English >> How was that being that rap guy on this big tour with all these guys who hadn't seen rap music?
>> Marvin Gaye，Bob Marley，那才叫真正的乐坛巨擘。
Original English >> Marvin Gay, Bob Marley, he was the big the big kahuna.
>> 你是说 Bob Marley 吗？
Original English >> Did you say Bob Marley?
>> 一起巡演。有一次 Davey 病了，就在麦迪逊广场花园 Bob Marley 登台演出的那场，我正准备架好唱盘为他当 DJ。Kurt 当年就是如此资深、如此伟大，能与有史以来最顶级的乐队同台献艺。
Original English >> He was on tour. I Davey got sick one day and I was getting ready to set up the turntables to DJ for him at the garden when he was playing with Bob Marley. That's how old school and how great Kurt was. Played with the biggest band ever.
>> 哇，超级巨星。一切都太不可思议了。这就像我经常对大家说的那样，犹如一场梦幻般的故事，绝对如同一部电影。见到 Michael Jackson，见到 Prince。我还和 Prince 一起拍过宣传照。那正好是在我推出《If I Ruled the World》和参演《Krush Groove》之后，我当时正当红。于是我和我的唱片公司沟通，希望能安排一次我和 Prince 的合影拍摄，我非常想见见 Prince。他们安排妥当了，地点选在田纳西州孟菲斯的一家俱乐部。我就并排坐在 Prince 身边，俱乐部里面挤进了 3,000 名女性观众，门外还有 2,000 名进不来的女性。而在所有那些想要签名和合影的女观众中……你们当时都留着那种卷发。
Original English >> Wow. Superstar. It was all amazing. It was like I tell this all the time to people like it it was a a dream story, you know. It was a movie for sure. You know, meeting Michael Jackson, meeting Prince. I did a a a photo shoot with Prince. Now, this is right after I did If I Rule the World and Crush Groove. So, I was a little hot in all that. And so, I set it up with my record company. Hey, hook up a photo shoot with me and Prince. I wanted to meet Prince, right? And so, they set it up. We did it at a club down over in Memphis, Tennessee. And I'm there sitting right next to Prince, right? So, there's 3,000 women inside this club. and another 2,000 outside that couldn't get in. But out of all those women who wanted an autograph and take pictures, y'all both had that curl.
>> Prince 的那种卷发当时太帅了。
Original English >> Prince had that curl was fly.
>> 找 Prince 拍照的有 2,000 人次。2,000 张照片，他拍了 2,000 次，而找我的大概只有 20 次。 Kurt，我后来重新翻唱了你的歌。我当年被你的《If I Ruled the World》深深折服。那首歌深深触动了我，看到你在《Krush Groove》中演绎那首歌，简直……是的。那么多大热金曲。那么多热榜金曲。说来奇妙，你谈起布朗克斯，而在“布朗克斯在燃烧”的同一时期，你却在一首歌里唱道“在人们精神焕发的布朗克斯”。
Original English >> Prince had 2,000 shots. 2,000. He did it 2,000 times and I did it about 20. Kurt, I redid your song over. I was so impressed by you if I ruled the world. That song, man, it did something to me seeing you do that song at Crush Groove and it just Yeah. So many hit records. So many hit records. Uh it's crazy you talking about the Bronx, but yet you had a song at the same time the Bronx Burning you said up in the Bronx where the people are fresh.
>> AJ Scratch，
Original English >> AJ Scratch,
>> 当时只有一位 DJ。你在讲述着与新闻报道截然不同的故事。你在提振布朗克斯的精气神。你在振奋人心，传递关于那里的人们在最艰难的岁月里依然展现出何等美好的信息。所以当你推出《If I Ruled the World》时，我说：这个黑人敢于在银幕电影中向全世界发声，宣告“如果我统治世界”。你确实统治了世界。所以我必须和 Lauryn Hill 女士一起重制你的歌。兄弟，你觉得那首歌怎么样？
Original English >> there was one DJ. You were telling a different story than what the news was telling. You was uplifting the Bronx. You was uplifting and giving a message about the people how beautiful we really were during the worst times ever. So when you did If I Rule the World and I said this man said if I rule the world, this black man had the audacity to be in a movie on a silver screen and speak to the world and say if I rule the world, you did rule the world. So I had to do your song over with Miss Lauren Hill. How did you like that song, my brother?
>> 我的天啊。难道不是令人拍案叫绝吗？
Original English >> Oh my gosh. Wasn't it incredible?
>> 深感荣幸。
Original English >> Honored.
>> 我是说……
Original English >> I mean,
>> 这是向你致敬。[清嗓子]
Original English >> homage to you. [clears throat]
>> 我记得当时我家里收到了一盘卡带。我刚买了一辆新车，一辆日产，那种很小很便宜的日产车，对吧？但那辆车装配了你所能听到的最顶级的音响系统。我是说声音极其震撼响亮。我去店里换了新音响等等。大家通常喜欢改装提升汽车音响，但我那台是真正的高保真音响。我把那盘磁带放进车里的卡座，连续听了大概两个小时。反复倒带重听。他唱的什么？我的天，那是 Lauryn Hill！天呐。我一遍又一遍地听那首歌。我激动得不得了，立刻给索尼打了电话。我回电给他们说：“我拿到带子了，我听了这盘卡带。”对方问：“你觉得怎么样？”我说：“我认为太棒了。而且我要告诉你，只要你们把这首歌发行出来，给予正常的宣传推广支持，我保证它能拿下双白金销量认证。”
Original English >> I I I I remember getting a cassette tank in my house. I just bought a new car, a new uh Nissan, one of those little little cheap Nissan, right? Um but it had the best sound system that you would ever hear. I mean, I'm talking about it was loud. Like I, you know, I went to the store and got some new speakers and all that, you know. I had they, you know, pump up their cars and stuff like that, but this was fidelity. And I took the tape, I put the tape in my car and I listened to that tape for about two hours long. Kept rewinding and rewinding. What did he say? Oh my gosh, that's Lauren Hill. Oh my god. I kept listening to that song. I got so excited. I called Sony. I called them back. I said, "I got the tape." I listened to the tape. So, what did you think? I think that it is great. And I'm going to tell you this. You put that record out and put normal promotion behind it and I guarantee it will go double patent.
>> 事实证明确实做到了。所以，谢谢你。
Original English >> And it did. So, thank you.
>> 谢谢你。谢谢你，老兄。我想这是最后一个问题了，因为要让我坐在这里跟你们三位聊，我能聊上三个小时。Shante 皇后，你有什么临别感言吗？ 大家都在好奇我坐在这里会说些什么。我只希望你们大家能够明白这一点：你们现在眼前所看到的，正是 Paid in Full 所代表精神的真实写照。Paid in Full 绝非关乎任何个人对行业内部所发生的任何恩怨私情，它关乎对嘻哈的热爱，关乎一个人的成就，关乎他们对嘻哈的热忱、激情与奉献。当我们坐在这里，正如我们所有人共同见证的那样，我们听到这个人讲述着他从最初阶段就融入其中的炽热激情，讲述着他投身拼搏以确保嘻哈能够发展壮大为今天这般模样的历程。因此，让他成为 Paid in Full 的受奖表彰者是再合适不过的。所以，我现在转过头看着他，我想对你说：我爱你，
Original English >> Thank you. Thank you, man. I think that was the last question because I could sit up here and talk to all three of y'all for three hours. Shante, the queen, do you have any last words? Everyone was wondering what I was going to say when I sat here. And I just need y'all to understand this. What you see in front of you right now is a true reflection of what paid in full is about. See, paid in full is not about anybody's personal feelings about anything that takes place in the industry, but it is about the love of hiphop and a person's accomplishments and their love and their passion and their contribution to hip-hop. And as I have sat here and as we all have sat here, we have heard this man talk about his passion being there from the beginning, being there in the fight to make sure that hip hop has become what it is today. So that is only right that he becomes an honore of paid in full. So, I look over to him right now and I say to you, I love you
>> 祝贺你，因为你完全配得上赢得全部的褒奖与荣光（paid in full）。
Original English >> and congratulations because you deserve to be paid in full.
>> 谢谢。
Original English >> Thank you.