--- author: New York Times Podcasts date: '2026-11-02' guest: '' layout: post.njk source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlikYVRyniY speaker: New York Times Podcasts tags: - immigration-enforcement - construction-industry - labor-shortage - voter-behavior title: 得州格兰德河谷移民执法升级与建筑业危机 summary: 《纽约时报》播客报道，特朗普政府在得克萨斯州格兰德河谷加强移民搜捕突袭，重创高度依赖无证劳工的当地建筑业。曾普遍支持特朗普的建筑商与移民工人面临工期停滞和生计危机，促使部分选民考虑在中期选举中改变投票意向。 insight: '' draft: true series: '' category: politics-society area: society-thinking project: [] people: - Mario Guerrero - Julio Coransza - Monica de la Cruz - Henry Cuellar companies_orgs: - The New York Times - Immigration and Customs Enforcement - South Texas Builders Association - United States Border Patrol products_models: [] media_books: - The Daily status: evergreen --- 这里是《纽约时报》，我是迈克尔·巴巴罗（Michael Bubaro）。这里是《每日新闻》（The Daily）。在明天的选举中，全美预计很少有哪个地区会比得克萨斯州的格兰德河谷（Rio Grande Valley）出现更大幅度远离特朗普总统、转向民主党的倾向，那里的生活因总统对移民的强力打击而发生了改变。过去一年里，我的同事、《每日新闻》制作人琳赛·加里森（Lindsay Garrison）一直在报道这种转变，以及领导这场转变的那个出人意料的群体。今天是11月2日，星期一。
Original English From the New York Times, I'm Michael Bubaro. This is the daily. In tomorrow's election, few regions of the country are expected to swing harder away from President Trump and toward Democrats than the Rio Grand Valley of Texas, where life has been transformed by the president's crackdown on immigration. For the past year, my colleague, Daily producer Lindseay Garrison, has been reporting on that shift and the unlikely group leading the charge. It's Monday, November 2nd.
当2025年初格兰德河谷首次开始搜捕突袭时，人们感到十分困惑。固然，有些有犯罪记录的人被带走了，但那些没有前科的人也被抓了，那些在美墨边境沿线这片土地上居住了多年的人也同样如此。所以，大家都害怕了。有人不再去上班，也不再去教堂。接着，移民及海关执法局（ICE）的执法人员开始出现在施工工地上。视频开始流传，有的视频显示，一名ICE执法人员拍了拍一名工人的后背，当时他和工友们正在浇筑混凝土车道，
Original English When the raids first started in the Rio Grand Valley in early 2025, people were confused. Sure, some people with criminal records were getting picked up, but so were people who weren't criminals, people who had lived along this stretch of land near the Mexican border for years. So, people were scared. Some stopped going to work or going to church. And then, ICE agents started showing up at job sites. Videos began to circulate, some showing an ICE agent tapping a worker on the back while he and his crew were in the middle of laying a concrete driveway,
>> 继续干着活，直到被戴上手铐的那一刻，脸上还带着困惑的表情。
Original English >> continuing to work until the moment they were handcuffed with puzzled looks on their faces.
但与全国许多地方相比，那里的突袭搜捕以及人们对此的反应，似乎发生得相当悄无声息。
Original English But compared to many places across the country, the raids and the reaction to them seemed to be happening fairly quietly.
直到有一天，有人公开发声了。
Original English And then one day someone spoke out.
>> 格兰德河谷怎么回事？我是马里奥·格雷罗（Mario Guerrero），我——
Original English >> What's going on Ro Grand Valley? It's Mario Guerrero here and I a
>> 一位名叫马里奥·格雷罗的开发商发了一段视频敲响警钟——
Original English >> developer named Mario Guerrero posted a video sounding the alarm
>> 因为这会毁掉我们的经济。这会毁掉住房市场，毁掉美国梦。
Original English >> because this is going to ruin our economy. It's going to ruin the housing market, the American dream.
>> 在当时，这是我见过的唯一类似举动。
Original English >> At that time, it was the only thing I'd seen like it.
>> 建筑行业里有人对这些搜捕突袭大声发声抗议。
Original English >> Someone from the construction industry loudly speaking out about these raids.
>> 于是我给他打了电话。喂，我是马里奥。
Original English >> So I called him. Hello, it's Mario.
>> 嘿，马里奥。我是琳赛·加里森。非常感谢你抽时间和我有这一番交谈。我……我真的非常感激。我想你现在肯定很忙。
Original English >> Hey, Mario. It's Lindsay Garrison. Thank you so much for your time talking with me. I'm I'm really grateful. I'm sure you're very busy.
>> 我觉得现在用“忙”来说都算轻描淡写了。我忙得像只无头苍蝇似的团团转。
Original English >> I think busy is an understatement right now. I'm running around like a headless chicken.
>> 马里奥拥有一家建筑公司，并负责打理他父母那家建筑公司的业务部分。此外，他还拥有一家经纪公司，但他同时还是南得克萨斯建筑商协会（STBA）的执行董事。这是一个由159家建筑和房地产企业组成的团体，大部分分布在格兰德河谷一带。所以，他对当前局势有着全面的洞察——
Original English >> Mario owns a construction company and runs the business side of his parents' construction company. Plus, he owns a brokerage, but he's also the executive director of the South Texas Builders Association, the STBA. It's a group of 159 construction and real estate businesses mostly across the Rio Grand Valley. So, he's got a bird's eye view of things
>> 就在当下。格兰德河谷到底正在发生什么？我的意思是，这……这太吓人了。我们有好几家建筑商当时正在浇筑车道，
Original English >> right now. What is happening in the real Grand Valley? I mean, it it it's scary. We've had multiple builders that have been pouring driveways
然后，你知道的，移民执法人员到了那里，把所有人都带走了，一个人都没留下。而且不只是一家、两家或三家建筑商，可以说是10多家建筑公司。我甚至想说已经上升到15到20家的样子了，这种情况发生得越来越频繁。所以，这给人们带来了巨大的恐慌。
Original English and, you know, immigration gets there and they just take everybody and they don't leave anyone behind. And it's not just one or two or three builders, it's like more than 10 construction companies. I want to say we're up in the 1520s where it's it's happening more and more. So, it's putting a lot of fear on people.
>> 马里奥告诉我，他是在去年春天开始注意到搜捕突袭变得越来越多的。
Original English >> Mario told me he started noticing more and more raids in the spring of last year.
>> 他开始私下和STBA的其他成员讨论这件事。
Original English >> He started talking about it privately with other members of the STBA.
>> 就像河谷地区的大多数人一样，他们也感到困惑不解。
Original English >> Like much of the valley, they were also confused.
>> 于是，他们开始建群发短信核对情况，如果有人在工地上看到执法人员就提醒其他人。但在那之外，起初谁都不知道该怎么办，
Original English >> So, they started using group text threads to compare notes and alert others if I was seen at a job site. But beyond that, no one initially knew what to do
>> 而且他们觉得当地的领导者对此没有充分发声。
Original English >> and they felt their local leaders weren't speaking up enough about it.
>> 我们的领导人在哪里？
Original English >> Where are our leaders?
>> 于是到了11月，马里奥和STBA董事会召集了一次会议，面向河谷地区建筑界的所有人，敞开心扉探讨突袭搜捕带来的影响。几天后，在一个通常用于举办婚礼和十五岁成人礼、挑高天花板上悬垂着锻铁吊灯的通风活动中心里，河谷建筑行业的数十人缓缓走入会场，分享彼此的经历。
Original English >> So in November, Mario and the board at the STBA called a meeting for anyone in the construction community of the valley to open up about the impact of the raids. And days later, in an airy event center normally used for weddings and kineras, with rot iron chandeliers drooping from its high ceilings, dozens of people from the valley's construction industry shuffled in to share stories.
>> 这绝对是一次呼救。仅此而已。那就是一次呼救。我是说，我们现在依然在呼救。河谷的生意受到了打击，而他们感到迷茫，不知道是不是搞错了什么，又或者是自己犯了错。
Original English >> It was definitely a cry for help. That's all it was. It was a cry for help. I mean, and we're still crying for help. Business in the valley was hurting and they were perplexed, wondering if maybe a mistake had been made and whether they were the ones who made it.
>> 天哪，我们到底干了些什么？
Original English >> Man, what did we do?
>> 因为他们当中即使不是绝大多数，也有很多人把票投给了特朗普总统。
Original English >> Because many, if not most of them, had voted for President Trump.
>> 我们到底干了些什么？
Original English >> What the did we do?
### 格兰德河谷的日常与边境现实 格兰德河谷实际上根本不是一个河谷。
Original English The Rio Grand Valley isn't really a valley at all.
它大多是一片紧贴着格兰德河部分河段的平坦泛滥平原。这里的地形上点缀着沙漠柳，棕榈树在风中沙沙作响。当地人称这里为RGV，或者直接叫“河谷”（the valley），它下辖的四个县有着全美比例最高的几个人口拉美裔集中区。
Original English It's a mostly flat flood plane that hugs part of the Rio Grand River. Desert willows dot the terrain here and palm trees rattle in the wind. People here call it the RGV or just the valley and its four counties have some of the highest Hispanic concentrations in the entire country.
>> 这里的绝大多数人可以在西班牙语和英语之间毫无顾虑地自如切换。正如有人向我描述的那样，这就像是来到了位于两个更大国家之间的另一个国家。
Original English >> Most people here slip in and out of Spanish without a second thought. As someone put it to me, it's like coming to another country between two larger ones.
>> 几代人以来，河谷地区都投票支持民主党，但它更像是一个摇摆区，而不是一个纯蓝区。这是全美一个深受天主教影响的地区，去教堂做礼拜是每周的生活节律。我交谈过的大多数人都自称是保守派或温和派。跨境商业和小企业为这里的经济提供着动力。边境巡逻队也同样如此，它是河谷地区的一个大雇主。离边境这么近，移民问题并不是一句口号或一个政纲。这个问题的全部复杂性与错综之处都层层交织在一起。它就是生活的一部分。
Original English >> For generations, the valley voted Democrat, but it's more of a purple place than a blue one. It's a deeply Catholic part of the country where attending church is a weekly rhythm. Most people I've talked to call themselves conservative or moderate. Crossber commerce and small businesses help fuel the economy here. So does Border Patrol, a huge employer in the valley. This close to the border, immigration is not a slogan or a platform. All of the complexities and intricacies of the issue are layered on top of one another. It's just a part of life.
所以，在这样一个地方，一家小教堂的牧师碰巧也是一名边境巡逻人员，在向自己那些无证件的会众讲道；在这样一个地方，一家深受欢迎的餐厅会给像ICE这样的执法人员提供早餐折扣和优惠，即便在后面接单或做饭的一些员工可能根本没有合法身份。这一切都纠缠交织在一起。
Original English So it's the kind of place where a reverend of a small church happens to also be a border patrol agent preaching to his undocumented congregants. a place where a popular restaurant gives breakfast discounts and deals to law enforcement like ICE. Even though some of the employees taking their order or cooking their food in the back may not have legal status, it's all tangled up and knotted together.
因此，当国家层面的移民政策出现某些重大变化时，它会最先冲击河谷地区，而这种感觉往往就像一场改变当地地貌的破坏性天气事件。到了2021年，一场大事件来临了。美国历史上最大规模的移民潮——在拜登执政期间达到顶峰——席卷了格兰德河谷。
Original English So, when there's some big change in immigration policy nationally, it hits the valley first and it can often feel like a seismic weather event changing the topography of a place. And in 2021, a big one came. The largest immigration surge in US history, which peaked during the Biden administration, had landed in the Rio Grand Valley.
>> 我们看到了，因为这就在我们的后院发生。我们亲眼看到了。我们在这里亲眼见到了。我们处于第一线。
Original English >> We saw it because it was happening here in our backyard. We saw it. We saw it here. We're the front lines.
>> 哎呀天哪，我还记得甚至看到过成群的移民大篷车队伍。
Original English >> Oh man, I remember even seeing like the caravans of people.
>> 成千上万的人正在前往边境。将近四年的时间里，我们每天都会有100辆巴士进出那里。
Original English >> Thousands of people were making their way to the border. daily we would have 100 buses coming into there and out of there for almost four years.
>> 一度有每天10,000名移民沿着南部边境进入美国。
Original English >> At one point 10,000 immigrants a day are crossing into the United States along the southern border.
>> 你会看到边境上全都是移民，就躺在那里——
Original English >> You would see the border full of immigrants just laying there
>> 就像是“哦天哪，这些未被查验的人都要去哪里呢？”
Original English >> like oh my god where are all these undetected people going to?
>> 人们告诉我，这震撼了河谷地区，并给这里的很多人带来了重压。这里的边境巡逻队不堪重负。
Original English >> People told me it rocked the valley and put a strain on so many here. The border patrol here were overwhelmed.
>> 比如边境巡逻队——
Original English >> Like border patrol
>> 而且这里的每个人都认识边境巡逻人员，
Original English >> and everybody here knows Border Patrol agents,
>> 对吧？
Original English >> right?
>> 人数太多了。你能看到那种压力。
Original English >> There's so many of them. You could see the stress.
>> 河谷地区的两名边境巡逻人员在一周之内自杀了。
Original English >> Two Border Patrol agents in the valley killed themselves in the span of a week.
>> 突然之间，入室盗窃变多了。抢劫也变多了。
Original English >> All of a sudden, there's more breakins. There's more robberies.
>> 一些企业主告诉我，他们感觉到了犯罪率的上升。
Original English >> Some business owners told me they sensed a rise in crime.
>> 我的意思是，作为一个企业主，我亲眼看到了。
Original English >> I mean, I saw it as a business owner.
>> 一名男子告诉我，他开五金店门时发现自己的铁丝网被剪破了，一辆独轮手推车被偷走，他也猜到了是谁拿的。他们只是从某个不知名的国家来到这里，只是需要几块钱。他们需要吃饭。所以，这可以理解，虽然不能纵容，但可以理解。
Original English >> One man told me he'd open up his hardware store to find his chain link fence had been cut into, a wheelbarrow had been stolen, and he assumed who took it. They just die here from some random country and just they need a couple bucks. They need to eat. So, it's understandable, not condonable, but it's understandable.
>> 但人们的挫败感不仅仅是因为一辆被偷走的独轮车。整个局面激化了根深蒂固的不公感。
Original English >> But the frustration went beyond a stolen wheelbarrow. The whole situation inflamed deeply held perceptions of unfairness.
>> 我妻子是一名护士。有时她会说某个病房里有非法移民，因为她们怀孕了要在美国生孩子。人们告诉我，他们觉得新来的人受到了优待。
Original English >> My wife's a nurse. There was occasions where she would say there was illegals in one of the rooms cuz they're pregnant that's going to have a baby here in the United States. People told me they felt the new arrivals were getting preferential treatment.
>> 门口还有警卫守着，然后她得到了所有的药物，因为政府在为此买单。而隔壁病房里就有美国公民，因为是公民身份而负担不起这种护理。而且他们还插到了那些努力了数月甚至数年想成为公民的人前面。
Original English >> And she's got a guard in the door and then she's getting all the medicines because the government's paying for it. Yet I have American citizens in the next room that can't afford to have that type of care because she's a citizen. and cutting the line in front of people who had been trying for months or even years to become a citizen.
>> 因为涌过来的难民或者非法居留者（随便你怎么称呼他们）带来了极大的压力，那些提交了文件的人……他们没有足够的人手来处理所有这些新的流程。
Original English >> Because of all the pressure with all the refugees coming over here or the illegal aliens, whatever you want to call them, all the people that had submitted their paperwork, they don't have enough personnel to handle all this new processing.
>> 就像当地一所学校的管理人员告诉我的那样，一位学监的工作签证快要到期了。他按时提交了延期申请材料。他们却表示：“不好意思，我们积压得太严重了。我们还没——
Original English >> Like an administrator of a local school who told me that a dean of students had a work visa that was about to expire. He submitted the paperwork to renew it on time. They're like, "Sorry, we're so backed up. We haven't
……处理到你的档案。”
Original English gotten to your file."
>> 没有及时处理，结果过期了。
Original English >> It wasn't processed in time and it expired.
>> 那你就得回墨西哥去。
Original English >> Then you need to go back to Mexico.
>> 他的律师建议他回墨西哥，这样他就不算在境内非法居留，免得危及他的入籍程序。
Original English >> His lawyer advised him to return to Mexico so that he wasn't in the country illegally and jeopardizing his citizenship process.
>> 于是到了现在，差不多三年过去了，他依然没拿到过来的签证。
Original English >> And so here we are almost 3 years later. He still has never gotten his visa to come over.
### 边境情绪与南德克萨斯建筑协会 >> 这些说法有时是道听途说，往往呈现出的并不完整。 例如，据麦卡伦警察局（Macallen Police Department）称，2022 年财产犯罪确实略有上升，但在此期间该市的总体犯罪率其实是下降的。而且边境的积压问题在拜登任内的激增之前就已存在。虽然无证移民在紧急医疗状况下能获得治疗保障，但美国公民同样享有这一保障。 然而，所有这一切汇聚在一起，依然形成了一种感受。
Original English >> These accounts were sometimes second and thirdand often painted an incomplete picture. For example, according to the Macallen Police Department, property crime did rise slightly in 2022, but overall crime was actually down in the city during this period. And that backlog at the border, it predated the surge under Biden. And while undocumented immigrants are guaranteed care and emergency medical situations, so are American citizens. But still, it all added up to a feeling.
>> 所以我觉得那不公平。你知道，这跟他们是墨西哥人无关，也不是说我们不想让他们争取更好的生活。我们父母当年就是为了让我们过上更好的生活才来这个国家的。我理解这一点，但是人这么多的时候，这根本就不可能承受。
Original English >> So I see that that's not fair. You know, that has nothing to do with them being Mexican or us not wanting them to try to get a better life. That's why our parents came to this country to try to give us a better life. And I understand it, but it's just impossible when you have so many people.
>> 嘿，连天堂都有边界，对吧？不是每个人都能进得去的。
Original English >> Hey, even heaven has borders, right? Not everybody's going to make it in.
>> 在这段时间里，南德克萨斯建筑协会（STBA）那边的人告诉我，建筑行业一直在稳步运转。“嗯，是的，我们一直建得好好的，”
Original English >> Over at the STBA during this period, people told me the construction business was humming along. Well, yeah, we were we were building just fine,
>> 但这并不意味着他们对涌入的人口没有自己的抱怨。
Original English >> but that didn't mean they didn't have their own complaints about the influx of people.
>> 嗯，这就是为什么我认为这里本地很多人都会投票给特朗普先生。就像是说，好啊，对，我们要把所有移民都赶出去。太好了，哥们，太好了。你就该把他们送回去，因为他们进来的方式本来就不对。
Original English >> Well, that's why I believe a lot of people here locally were voting for Mr. Trump. Like, okay, yeah, we're going to take all the immigrants out. Well, great, dude. Great. You should take them back because the way that they came in was not right.
>> 但在经历多年投票支持民主党之后，河谷地区在上届大选中变红还有另一个原因。特朗普总统是个商人，而 STBA 的很多建筑商也是。很多人在他的故事中看到了自己的影子和抱负。
Original English >> But there was another reason the valley turned red the last election after so many years of voting for Democrats. President Trump was a businessman and a lot of the builders at the STBA were too. So many saw a piece of themselves and their aspirations in his story.
>> 这么跟你说吧，我认为唐纳德·特朗普就是美国梦的缩影。他父亲开创了一番事业，对吧？他父亲开创了事业，然后做了什么？他把它传给了儿子。人们不会因为这个去恨他。你为什么要因为这个恨他？如果他父亲打造了一番事业，如今父亲能够把它交给他，那就是美国梦。 感觉在全国其他地方，人们谈论美国梦时几乎把它当成了过去的遗物。但在里奥格兰德河谷，它依然活着，它是真实的。 我在 STBA 遇到的这些建筑商中，有很多人是子承父业、接管了父母的建筑公司。或者他们是做父亲的，希望把自己的财富传给自己的孩子。这有什么可耻的呢？这正是他们各自家庭当年漂洋过海来这里要做的一切。 所以，当工地开始遭到突击搜查，当局面急转直下时，大概在他们的有生之年里，那种理念第一次陷入了危机。 所以无论如何，具有讽刺意味的是，我们当时全投了特朗普。我们全投了特朗普。 我们全投了红方。哥们，我们就是上了特朗普大车、上了特朗普列车的人，真的是这样。
Original English >> I'll tell you this. I believe that Donald Trump is the epitome of the American dream. His dad started something, right? His dad started something and then what did he do? He passed it on to his son. And people will not hate on him for that. Why would you hate on him for that? If his dad built something and now his dad was able to give it to him, that's the American dream. It feels like in other parts of the country, the American dream is talked about as almost a relic of the past. But in the Rio Grand Valley, it's alive. It's real. So many of these builders I've met at the STBA were sons who took the mantle of their parents' construction company. Or they were fathers hoping to pass their fortunes onto their own children. And what was shameful about that? That was everything their own families had come here to do. So when the raids started at the job sites and when things came crashing down, it was the first time probably in their lifetimes that that idea was in danger. So anyways, the irony here is that we all voted for Trump. We all voted for Trump. We all voted red. We were the guys on the Trump wagon, dude, on the Trump train. Like, for real.
>> 因为那就是特朗普先生及其政府曾经说过的，他们说要对付的是凶手和强奸犯。
Original English >> Because that's what the Mr. Trump and his administration said that they were going to come after the murderers and the rapists.
>> 你知道，你承诺的是罪犯、强奸犯、凶手、猥亵犯。当然，把他们全弄出去。
Original English >> You know, you promise criminals, rapists, murderers, molesters. Sure, get them all out.
>> 最坏的那批人，但我的意思是，现在你们对付的是所有人。每个人都是罪犯。我们当初根本不知道你指的是这些人——那些我认识并且在这里呆了10年、每天工作并创造价值的人。
Original English >> The worst of the worst, but I mean, right now, you're going after everybody. Everyone is a criminal. We didn't know you were talking about these people that I've known and been here for 10 years and they're working every day and adding value.
>> 所以，这……这就让人挺难受的，因为你会觉得，哥们，这根本就说不通啊。我是说，现在就像…… 现在你开始琢磨了，这是个正确的选择吗？在当时做出那个决定到底对不对，你知道……
Original English >> So, it just it's it's kind of hard because you're like, dude, like it doesn't make any sense. I mean, now it's like now you start to wonder, was it the correct choice? If that was the right decision to make at the time, you know,
>> 先生，你是工头吗？
Original English >> are you the foreman, sir?
### 工地搜查不断升级 >> 突击搜查一直在不断升级。 到 2025 年冬，流传出更多 ICE 执法人员爬上屋顶盘问工人，或者朝上面大喊、让他们放下工具顺着梯子爬下来的视频。 我就是这种感觉。
Original English >> The raids just kept ramping up. By winter of 2025, more videos swirled around of ICE agents climbing on tops of roofs to question workers or shouting up at them, telling them to put down their tools and climb down the ladder. That's how I feel.
>> 监控摄像头拍下了 ICE 车辆在住宅小区里疾驰、追捕全力狂奔的男人们的画面。
Original English >> Security cameras captured ICE vehicles speeding across subdivisions, chasing men who were sprinting away.
>> 每天都有搜查。每天。我的天呐，每天都是。我们昨天刚被查了。
Original English >> Every day there's a raid. Every day. Oh my lord. Every day. We just got hit yesterday.
>> 单单今年，我们已经被查了九次。就在此刻，在我别的私聊群里，就在此刻 12点09分，ICE 正在爱丁堡这里的拉古纳高地（Laguna Heights）小区。所以真就天呐。每天都是，每天他们都在突击搜查工地、抓人。
Original English >> This year alone, we've been hit nine times. this right now on my other private chat groups right now at 12:09 ICE is in Laguna Heights subdivision here in Edinburg. So it's like Jesus Christ. It's every day every day they're hitting job sites picking up people.
>> 许多工人太害怕了不敢去上班，而那些去了的人也是在冒极大的风险。
Original English >> Many workers were too scared to show up at work and those who did were taking a big risk.
>> 我是说，我必须得……你能说什么呢？只能咽下恐慌，走出去把钱赚回来。那就是我们必须要做的事。 我是说，那就是我们所做的。
Original English >> I mean I had to what can you say? Just swallow the the panic and go out and and do the money. That's what we needed to do. And I mean that's what we did.
>> 比如出于安全考虑要求匿名的 A。他是一名框架木工，几乎大半辈子都生活在河谷地区。他很小的时候，父母就把他从墨西哥带到了这里。突击搜查开始时，一个朋友提醒了他。
Original English >> Like a who asked to remain anonymous for his safety. He's a framer and has lived in the valley almost all his life. His parents brought him here from Mexico when he was a small child. When the raids started, a friend warned him.
>> “喂，小心点。他们开始突击搜查了。”我说：“不可能，他们没有。”“不，他们查了。”他说，“他们刚查了我的工地。我……我都不知道怎么还能给你打电话，因为他们追捕我，但没抓到我。我给你打电话是因为你是我最好的朋友之一，我不想让你被搜查碰上。”那时候我们才知道事情严重了。
Original English >> Gay, be careful. They started the raids. I'm like, "No, they didn't. No, they did." And he said, "They just raided my job site. I'm I'm looking to even be calling you because they chased me down, but they couldn't catch me. and I'm calling you because you're one of my closest friends and I don't want you to get raided. And that's when we we knew things were serious.
>> 他很担心，但 A 家里有孩子，指望着他的收入
Original English >> He was worried, but A has kids at home who rely on his income
>> 去给他们买纸尿裤。
Original English >> to buy them diapers.
>> 所以，他觉得自己别无选择。
Original English >> So, he didn't feel he had a choice.
>> 没有别的选择。你必须去做。
Original English >> There's no other option. You have to do it.
### 建筑劳动力与框架木工的技艺传承 >> 在全美范围内，建筑行业雇佣移民劳动力的比例最高，接近 30%。而在得克萨斯州，这些数字还要更高。研究表明在 40% 到 50% 左右。关于里奥格兰德河谷的官方数据很难查到。但如果你去问业内人士——我确实问过——有人估计有多达 80% 是无证移民。
Original English >> Nationwide, the construction field employs the highest percentage of immigrant labor, nearly 30%. And in Texas, those numbers are even higher. Studies suggest anywhere from 40 to about 50%. Official numbers on the Rio Grand Valley are hard to come by. But if you ask people in the industry, which I have, some wager as many as 80% are undocumented.
>> 我认识一个爱开玩笑的家伙，他会站起来说：“我讨厌那些无证工人。”
Original English >> I had one guy that was a jokester and he'd get up and he'd say, "I hate those undocumented workers."
>> 在这儿几乎成了一个笑话。
Original English >> It's almost a joke here.
>> 然后就会有一两个人说：“为什么？我们怎么了？当移民怎么了？”然后他就说：“因为我们人太多了。我也是无证的。他是在保护我的饭碗。”你知道的，
Original English >> And then you'd get one or two, they'd say, "Why? What's wrong with us? What's wrong with being an immigrant?" Then he say, "Cuz there's too many of us. I'm undocumented, too. He's protecting my job. You know,
>> 河谷地区建筑业的人也会告诉你，拥有最多无证工人的工种是地基和木框架施工队。 A 做框架木工大约有 7 年了，而他的父亲做了 25 年以上。他刚到这里的时候。我是说，那些是仅有的工作，因为其他工作你需要社保号，而只有重体力活是不需要的。所以，他进入了……我想他一开始是浇筑混凝土。然后，他看到做建筑这边能多挣一点钱，于是他就开始做建筑了。
Original English >> people in the valley's construction industry will also tell you that the trades that have some of the most undocumented workers are the foundation and framing crews. A has worked as a framer for around 7 years and his father has been doing it for more than 25. when he got here. I mean, those were the only jobs because for other jobs, you need a social and only the hard labor jobs are the ones that don't require one. So, he got into I think he was pouring concrete at first. Then, he saw there was a little bit more money on the construction side, and that's when he started doing construction.
>> 所以，当 A 即将迎来第一个孩子，并且在一家炸玉米饼餐馆拿 7.25 的时薪工作时，他决定自己需要一份像那样更赚钱的工作。于是他让父亲传授他这门手艺。
Original English >> So, when A was about to have his first baby and was working at a taco restaurant for 725 an hour, he decided he needed something more lucrative like that. and he asked his father to teach him the craft.
>> 我的意思是，这……这有时挺让人吃不消的，因为……呃……你在这行里学无止境。你每一天都会发现不同的东西。你每一天都会学到不同的东西。
Original English >> I mean, it's it could be overwhelming cuz uh you can't stop learning from this. You find something different every single day. You learn something different every single day.
>> 让自己的父亲当老板是什么感觉？挺难的，因为……呃……父亲通常都希望孩子好，如果有什么事情没做好，他……他会生气，他会严厉地批评我，对吧？但我意思是，多亏了那个，我们才懂得现在懂得的这些东西。
Original English >> What was that like to have your dad as your boss? hard because uh dads usually want the best for their kids and if something didn't go the right way, he would he would get upset and he would get after me in a in a hard way, right? But I mean, thanks to that, we know what we know now.
>> 他最初是从学徒干起的。每个施工队都有学徒。他们扫地、收拾清理。
Original English >> He started out as an apprentice. Every crew has them. They sweep the floors, clean up.
>> 花了我大约一年半、两年的时间去学基本功。就只是基本功。就只是掌握基本要领
Original English >> Took me about a year and a half, two years to learn the basics. Just the basics. just absorb the fundamentals
>> 关于切割、用三角尺测量、切 45 度角。
Original English >> about cutting, measuring the speed square, the 45s.
>> 之后他就成了他们所说的半把刀。
Original English >> Then he became what they call half a spoon.
>> 当你开始做木框架时，切割必须很精准。你主要的问题是拿稳电锯，因为如果你拿不好而且电锯反弹的话，你可能会割到腿，可能会割到胳膊。
Original English >> When you start on the framing, the cuts had to be precise. And your main issue is holding the saw cuz if you don't hold it right and it kicks back, you could cut your leg, you could cut your arm.
>> 现在他和父亲一起工作。
Original English >> Now he works with his father.
>> 现在我掌握了绝大部分技术，
Original English >> Now I know the majority of it,
>> 他的父亲是一位大师级框架工，也就是我所说的大师傅（maestro）。 在我们交谈的那个工地上，他的父亲正在
Original English >> who's a master framer, a maestro as I call them. At the job site where we were talking, his father was
### 框架搭建与拘留风波 给一个大食品储藏室搭框架。
Original English framing a large pantry.
>> 所以，他今天能把食品储藏室的框架搭完吗？比如在接下来两小时内？这是目标吗？
Original English >> So, will he finish the framing of the pantry closet today? Like in in the next couple hours? Is that the goal?
>> 10分钟。
Original English >> 10 minutes.
>> 10分钟内？不可能吧。
Original English >> In 10 minutes? No.
>> 是的。
Original English >> Yeah.
>> 我和 A 站在一起看着。
Original English >> I stood with A and watched.
>> 看着那个食品储藏室。那就是他正在建的那个。
Original English >> Looking at the pantry. That's the one he's building.
>> 好的。A 调出了蓝图，指给我看我们在看的是什么。
Original English >> Okay. A pulls up the blueprint and shows me what we're looking at.
>> 一台冰箱。
Original English >> A refrigerator.
>> 他的父亲系着一条沉重的工具带，身体两侧髋部都挂着工具。他会俯下身趴在地上，测量切割的角度，然后用短铅笔做标记。
Original English >> His father wore a heavy tool belt with tools on both sides of his hips. He would swoop down to the floor, measuring the angles for the cuts and then marking them with a short pencil.
>> 干得真快。
Original English >> Works so fast.
>> 他很快。就像是——
Original English >> He's fast. Like it's
>> 而且每次他弯下腰，汗珠就滴落在混凝土地坪上。
Original English >> And every time he bent down, his sweat droplets fell onto the cement slab floor.
>> 真是汗流浃背。
Original English >> It's just dripping with sweat.
>> 但就在汗水刚让水泥变暗的一瞬间，它们又在得克萨斯的酷热中蒸发了。
Original English >> But just as quickly as they would darken the cement, they would evaporate again in the Texas heat.
>> 墙立起来了。
Original English >> The walls are up.
>> 他完成切割。然后飞快地爬上梯子，把手伸到背后工具带上的射钉枪处，他总是不看就能摸到它，然后将木板钉死在原位。他动作如此娴熟优美，就像违抗了重力一样。
Original English >> He'd make the cut. Then he'd fly up the ladder and reach behind him for his nail gun on his tool belt, which he'd always find without looking, and bolt the board in its place. He was so graceful, it was as if he defied gravity.
>> 那是第二个位置。
Original English >> That's the second place.
>> 第二个——曾经有位建筑商告诉我，盖一栋房子有 9,000 个构件。如果你以搭建框架这样的工种为例，它需要数学，很多几何知识来理解如何切割龙骨，如何沿着画线裁切或不沿画线裁切，计算屋顶的正确坡度。那块板装在门上方。
Original English >> The second a builder once told me that there are 9,000 components to building a house. And if you take a trade like framing, it requires math, a lot of geometry to understand how to cut a stud, how to take the line or not take the line, calculating the correct pitch of a roof. That piece goes above the door.
>> 而成为大师的唯一途径，就是在烈日下、在风雨中做上成千上万次，历经多年，就像 A 的父亲那样。
Original English >> And the only way to become a maestro was by doing it thousands of times in the sun, in the rain for years, just like A's father.
>> 差不多就是这样。
Original English >> That's pretty much it.
>> 这样就行了？你看，只要把这两项做完，就搞定了。而且果不其然，只用了刚过 10 分钟的时间，食品储藏室就完工了。他不知道我们当时在给他掐时间。我敢说要是他知道的话，动作还会更快。是的。那么，当这样一位大师被拘留时，
Original English >> Is that it? You know, just put the two projects and that's it. And sure enough, in just a little over 10 minutes, the pantry was done. He didn't know that we were timing him. I bet if he knew, he'd be even faster. Yeah. So, when a maestro like this gets detained,
>> 究竟由谁来取代他？
Original English >> who is actually going to replace him?
>> 我们怎么能清洗掉整整一支劳动力队伍，却没有任何办法来替代他们？
Original English >> How do we get rid of a an entire workforce and have no way of replacing it?
>> 你是要告诉我，我们应该从一个连锤子都没抡过的美国公民那里获取劳动力吗？这个问题对 A 来说不仅仅是一个理论问题。他前不久告诉我，他的父亲被拘留了，突然之间 A 成为了施工队的带头人。但他从来没有取代他的父亲。他只是努力由自己来承担那些工作。这种情况在整个河谷地区也都在上演。妻子顶替丈夫，儿子接替父亲。这是一场针对迅速消失的劳动力所进行的复杂重组。
Original English >> You're going to tell me that we're supposed to get the labor from an American citizen that's never swung a hammer? And that question wasn't just a theoretical one for A. He told me a while ago his father was detained and all of a sudden A became the head of the crew. But he never replaced his father. He just tried to do the work himself. And that was happening all around the valley too. Wives filling in for husbands, sons covering for fathers. It was a complicated reshuffleling of a rapidly disappearing workforce.
接着就轮到 A 了。那只是平常的一天。我们到了工地上。我们卸下设备、压缩机、发电机，所有东西。然后，呃，我看到大概有五六辆车停在那里。我当时没太在意。我想着，我不知道那是干嘛的。我不知道发生了什么。
Original English And then it was A's turn. It was just a common day. So, we got to the job site. We got off the equipment, the compressors, the generators, everything. And uh I saw like five or six cars just parked. And I didn't think too much about it. I'm like, I don't know what it is. I don't know what's going on.
>> 它们不像是有标志的车辆。
Original English >> They're not like marked cars.
>> 不，什么都没有。它们就是普通的车。我们刚一开始干活，我就看到两辆皮卡全速朝我开过来——
Original English >> No, nothing. They're just regular cars. Soon as we started working, I just saw two rams in front of me like full speed
>> 冲着你来。
Original English >> coming at you.
>> 冲着我来？是的。全速冲过来。它们停下时，打开了车门。每辆皮卡下来四个人。全是目光。我、我都慌了。
Original English >> Coming at me? Yes. Full speed. And when they stopped, they opened the doors. Four guys out of each truck. All eyes. And I I panicked.
>> A 告诉我，那些官员向他要了身份证件。
Original English >> A told me the officials asked for his ID.
>> 我就问，你们为什么需要看我的证件？“噢，不是。我们只是需要看身份证件，以确保你们大家是合法的。”
Original English >> I'm like, why do you need to see my ID? Oh, no. We just need to see IDs to make sure y'all are legal.
>> 他向对方解释说他有 NTA，
Original English >> He explained to him he had an NTA,
>> 一份出庭通知文件。这是国土安全部向移民法院提交以开启判定某人应被驱逐出境的法律程序的文书。
Original English >> a notice to appear document. It's what the DHS gives immigration court to begin a legal case that a person should be removed from the country.
>> 我全都在照做，我遵守法律。
Original English >> I'm doing everything I'm complying with the law.
>> A 告诉他们他遵守法律。
Original English >> A told them he complied with the law.
>> 你们要求我做的所有事情，我都在照做。
Original English >> I'm doing everything y'all are asking me to do.
>> 他说他参加了所有的法庭听证会。
Original English >> He said he attended all the court hearings.
>> 我有我的最后一次。
Original English >> I have my final.
>> 事实上，最后一次很快就要到了，
Original English >> In fact, the final one was coming up soon
>> 届时移民法官将裁定 A 是否能留在该国。
Original English >> where an immigration judge would decide whether a could stay in the country or not.
>> 于是我把身份证件递给他，他看了看我，又看了看 ICE 官员，而那位 ICE 官员直接，先生，他只是摇头表示不行。呃，那现在是怎么回事？那人说：“噢，不行，你得跟我们走一趟。”
Original English >> So I gave him my ID and he looked at me and he looked at the ICE officer and the ICE officer just sir, he just noted no. Uh, so what's going on? The guy's like, "Oh no, you're going to come with us."
>> 他们逮捕了他。
Original English >> They arrested him.
>> 所以，我是说，他们给我戴上手铐，他们刚把我弄上卡车，我妻子就给我打电话，她说：“发生什么事了？”呃，我正在往那边赶。但她在哭。她哭得非常伤心。
Original English >> So, I mean, they put me in handcuffs and as soon as they got me on the truck, my wife called me and she's like, "What happened?" Uh, I'm on my way over there. But she was crying. She was crying really bad.
>> 他们把他带到了伊莎贝尔港拘留中心，在那里他将面临一个选择。
Original English >> They took him to Port Isabel Detention Center where he'd be given a choice.
>> 如果你愿意签署自愿离境书，你明天就会在墨西哥。而我说，如果我觉得这里是我的国家，我为什么要签自愿离境书？我有我的家庭。我有孩子。他们该怎么办？他说，我是说，那不是我的问题。那是你的问题。那是你父母非法把你带到这里的问题。我说，好吧。行吧。 浇筑地基和搭建框架是盖房子的首要步骤之一。除非这些工作先完成，否则其他什么都干不了——屋顶、管道、油漆。因此，当那些施工队消失时，分包商的工期就会被推迟。我采访过一位小型建筑商，他告诉我，在正常年份，他会建大约 25 栋房子。到了 2025 年底，他只建了 12 栋。而进入 2026 年，他只有三栋的合同。 如果建造的房屋变少，建造这些房屋所需的材料也就变少。因此，木材和水泥供应商会告诉我，他们的销量在减少，订单取消在增加。随着订单减少，我交谈过的一些公司不得不开始解雇员工以维持运营。一家大型水泥公司告诉我，大约在这个时期，他裁减了 100 多名工人，几个月后，他申请了破产。 当河谷地区乃至全国其他地方正处于住房危机之中时，这一切都显得尤为严峻。
Original English >> If you want to sign the voluntary departure, you'll be in Mexico tomorrow. And I was like, why am I going to sign a voluntary departure if I feel this is my country? I have my family. I have kids. What are they going to do? And he said, I mean, that's not my problem. That's your problem. And that's your parents' problem for bringing you here illegally. I'm like, okay. All right. Pouring a foundation and framing are some of the first steps to building a house. Nothing can happen. Roofing, plumbing, painting, unless those jobs are finished first. So, when those crews go missing, it pushes timelines out for subcontractors. I talked to one small builder who told me in a normal year, he'd build around 25 houses. By the end of 2025, he'd only built 12. And going into 2026, he only had contracts for three. If fewer homes are being built, less materials are needed to build those homes. So, lumber and cement suppliers would tell me they were experiencing less sales and more cancellations. And with less orders, some companies I talked to had to start laying off employees to stay afloat. A big cement company told me that around this time, he laid off more than 100 workers, and a few months later, he filed for bankruptcy. All of this is particularly problematic when the valley and the rest of the country is in the midst of a housing crisis.
### 劳动力短缺与技能断层 >> 我们应该从哪里找劳动力？
Original English >> Where are we supposed to get the labor from?
>> 人们常说，如果把移民从这些岗位上撤除，美国人就会接手。美国人会填补这个空白。就连特朗普总统也这样主张过，但这并没有真正发生。
Original English >> It's often said that if you remove immigrants from these jobs, Americans will take them. Americans will fill the void. Even President Trump has argued this, but that wasn't exactly happening.
>> 这太愚蠢了。简直荒唐。所有人会突然就像睡醒了然后——嗯，让我今天去搭框架吧，懂吗？让我去浇筑混凝土。对此我一无所知，但我真的非常兴奋地要去做，去在华氏 110 度的天气下干活。不，他们当然不会来。
Original English >> That's stupid. That is dumb. All of a sudden, everybody's going to like wake up and um let me go do framing today, you know? let me go pour concrete. I know nothing about it, but I'm really excited to go do it and work in the 110°ree weather. No, of course they're not going to come.
>> 但从南得克萨斯建筑商协会（STBA）以及甚至河谷地区教授建筑施工的大学讲师的角度来看，这种论点与全美其他地方所熟悉的论调是一样的。
Original English >> But the argument from the perspective of the STBA and even college instructors in the valley who teach construction is the same as the one so familiar to the rest of the country.
>> 别人很容易轻飘飘地说：“哎，雇美国人不就行了。”嗯，美国人根本就不想干这活。
Original English >> It's easy for somebody to say, "Well, just hire Americans." Well, Americans don't want to do the work flat out.
>> 美国人不要这些工作。比如当人们说：“噢，那是因为你们不想雇。”老兄，大家都告诉你他们当场就能录用你。问题在于，美国公民不想在建筑行业工作。
Original English >> Americans don't want these jobs. Like when people are like, "Oh, it's because you guys don't want to hire." Dude, people are telling you that they'll hire you on the spot. The thing is, United States citizens don't want to work in construction.
>> 而马里奥争辩说，这不是因为他们报酬不高。他指出，一名学徒起薪是每小时 15 美元。
Original English >> And Mario argues, it's not because they're not paid well. He points out that an apprentice starts out making $15 an hour.
>> 这不是——这高于最低工资。
Original English >> That is not that is more than minimum wage.
>> 这是该州最低工资的两倍多。所以我就在想，不，这不是奴隶劳工的报酬。而是工作很辛苦。
Original English >> That's more than double the state's minimum wage. So I think to myself like no, it's not that it's slave labor pay. It's that the work is hard.
>> 但即便公民们真的想要这些工作，他们也不具备资格。
Original English >> But even if citizens did want these jobs, they're not qualified.
>> 我们需要水管工。我们需要暖通空调工人。我们需要电工。我们需要框架工。而在我们的高中里，根本没有这些。至少在我来的地方没有。
Original English >> We need plumbers. We need HVAC workers. We need electricians. We need framers. And we don't have any of that in our high schools. At least not here where I come from.
>> 零水泥工人、框架工、瓦工、泥水工、油漆工。零。这项技能在任何地方都没人在教。
Original English >> Zero cement workers, framers, masonry, drywallers, painters. zero. That skill is not being taught anywhere.
>> 要打造一支像正在消失的那支队伍一样熟练的劳动力，需要像 A 那样经年累月的培训。而那是河谷地区所不具备的劳动力。
Original English >> It would take years of training like A's to build a workforce as skilled as the one that was disappearing. And that was a workforce the valley didn't have.
>> 我们需要的是蓝领工人。我认为这个体制未能让我们做好准备。
Original English >> What we need is a blueco collar worker. I believe the system has failed to prepare us.
>> 我们没有让任何人做好准备。我们谁都没准备。我们作为一个国家做出了这些决定，而在一个对社会如此关键的行业中，我们自己的准备为零。我是说，拜托。这是庇护所。这可不是，你知道的，奢侈品。这是人们得有个住的地方。而我们会搞砸它，就像某些不知道——的国家一样。
Original English >> We didn't prepare anybody. We prepared nobody. We made these decisions as a country and prepared ourselves zero in an industry that is so critical for a society. I mean, come on. This is shelter. This is not, you know, luxuries. This is people having a place to live. And we'd fumble through that like some country that doesn't know
>> 我希望我们有美国工人。我会当场雇佣他们。事实上，他们已经在工作了。南得克萨斯现有的并且愿意工作的，都已经在那儿了。他们已经在工作了。但这不够。这远远不够。不
Original English >> I wish we had American workers. I would hire them on the spot. As a matter of fact, they're already working. Everything that's available in South Texas is and wants to work. They're already there. They're already working. But that's not enough. That's nearly not enough. No
更多。 我们没有人能顶替他。
Original English more. We have nobody to replace him.
>> 所以现在整个山谷地区，
Original English >> So now all around the valley,
>> 我们都找不到一支木工构架队。
Original English >> we can't find a framing crew.
>> 到处都是静悄悄的工地。
Original English >> There are quiet job sites everywhere.
>> 之前在这里干活的那个人就再也没回来。
Original English >> The guy that was working on it just never came back.
>> 随着越来越多的工人消失，这开始让人感觉像是一场危机。
Original English >> And with more and more workers disappearing, it was starting to feel like a crisis.
>> 我们为了找一个人，给35位以上的木工构架工打了电话。日常生活就是这么不可预测。你知道，我们到了现场，就会想，他们今天会来吗？ 如果他们没来，好吧，但愿他们明天会来。要是他们明天也没来，那你就会寄希望于他们没被抓走，或者你根本就不知道是怎么回事。
Original English >> He we've called over 35 framers just to find one. This is how unpredictable daily life is. You know, we show up and it's like, are they going to show up today? And if they don't show up, well, Hopefully, they'll show up tomorrow. And if they don't show up tomorrow, then you're hoping they didn't get picked up or you don't know.
>> STBA感觉整个行业就要坠入悬崖了。
Original English >> The STBA felt like the industry was about to go over a cliff.
>> 到了这个地步，如果他们来突击搜查我的工地，我的生意基本就垮了。我可以向你保证这一点，如果这种情况继续下去，山谷地区的建筑经济撑不过另一年。
Original English >> At this point, if they raid my job sites, my business is going down pretty much. I can guarantee you this, the valley's construction economy will not last another year if this continues.
>> 所以，有人，甚至可能是他们当中的某一位，必须得做点什么了。
Original English >> So, someone, maybe even one of them, was going to have to do something about it.
>> 我们马上回来。 对STBA的许多建筑商来说，里奥格兰德山谷正在发生的事情，不仅仅关乎一个空荡荡的工地或一桩失败的生意。这关乎一种生活方式，一份他们继承下来的梦想。这是他们人生的故事。 而在过去的一年里，我逐渐了解了他们当中的很多人。
Original English >> We'll be right back. For many of the builders of the STBA, what was happening in the Rio Grand Valley was about more than just an empty job site or a failing business. It was about a way of life, a dream they'd inherited. It's the story of their lives. And over the past year, I've gotten to know a lot of them.
### 胡里奥的故事 >> 你……呃，能停在房子北侧吗？那儿有个小车道，
Original English >> Can you uh park on the north side of the house? There's a little driveway there
>> 比如胡里奥·科兰萨。
Original English >> like Julio Coransza.
>> 他是该组织的副主席，与马里奥共事。他也认识那位木工构架工。那人有时会帮他干活。
Original English >> He's the vice president of the group and works alongside Mario. He knows a the framer too. A sometimes does work for him.
>> 进来吧，琳赛。你怎么样？
Original English >> Come on in, Lindsay. How you doing?
>> 很高兴见到你。
Original English >> Good to see you.
>> 我也很高兴见到你。
Original English >> Good to see you, too.
>> 我在他那栋大约6,500平方英尺的房子里见到了他，这是他刚在一个高尔夫球场边上盖好的。一辆赛博皮卡停在外面的一条车道上。
Original English >> I met him at his roughly 6,500 ft home he had just built on the perimeter of a golf course. Cyber Truck sits parked outside in one of the driveways.
>> 你……嗯，字面意义上就住在高尔夫球场上？
Original English >> You um literally live on a golf course?
>> 是的。嗯，我……我刚搬进来。我正在搬家，所以见谅。
Original English >> Yes. Well, I I just moved in. I'm moving in, so excuse me.
>> 胡里奥很有魅力。他待你像老朋友一样，像他的哥们儿。他脸上总是挂着大大的微笑，
Original English >> Julio is charismatic. He treats you like an old friend, his bro. He wears a big smile
>> 请回，请坐。
Original English >> back. Take a seat.
>> 他知道自己从最初的起点走到了今天有多不容易。
Original English >> He knows he's come a long way from where he first started.
>> 为了时刻记住这一点，他的办公室里挂着一张自己在墨西哥时胖乎乎的幼童照片。
Original English >> And to always remember that he's got a picture hanging in his office of him as a pudgy toddler in Mexico.
>> 我依然记得，就像我们不属于墨西哥，但我们也不属于美国一样，你懂的。
Original English >> And I remember still like we weren't from Mexico, but we weren't from America either, you know.
>> 他于1985年出生在德克萨斯州麦卡伦。但他生命的前5年是在墨西哥的雷诺萨度过的，就在边境对面。
Original English >> He was born in 1985 in Macallen, Texas. But the first 5 years of his life, he lived in Reynosa, Mexico, just over the border.
>> 每天，他的父亲都会跨过边境去麦卡伦拉普拉扎购物中心的美食广场上班。
Original English >> And every day, his dad would commute across it for his job in the food court at La Paza Mall in Macallen.
>> 在墨西哥，他们工作，然后他们回墨西哥。所以他们就是这么做的。
Original English >> In Mexico, they worked and then they went to Mexico. So that's what they did.
>> 胡里奥告诉我，当时人们就是这么生活的：住在墨西哥，在德克萨斯工作。
Original English >> Julio told me that's just what people did. Live in Mexico, work in Texas.
>> 妈妈是公民。
Original English >> Mom was a citizen.
>> 胡里奥的母亲是公民。
Original English >> Julio's mom was a citizen.
>> 最终，他的家人永久跨过了边境。
Original English >> And eventually his family crossed the border for good.
>> 在这里买了一栋房子。
Original English >> A house here.
>> 他的父母在德克萨斯州阿拉莫买了一栋房子。
Original English >> His parents bought a house in Alamo, Texas.
>> 我们住在一个极小的房子里。三兄弟挤在一个卧室里，带一个半卫生间。六口人。想象一下吧。
Original English >> We lived in a tiny home. It was three brothers in one bedroom in one and a half bath. Six people. Imagine that.
>> 那是一栋什么样的房子？
Original English >> What kind of house was that?
>> 我想我有一张照片。
Original English >> I think I got a picture.
>> 好。
Original English >> Yeah.
>> 就是这样。
Original English >> And that's it.
>> 好。
Original English >> Okay.
>> 车棚。
Original English >> Carport.
>> 那是一栋米色砖块砌成、带车棚的小房子。
Original English >> It's a little house with beige bricks and a carport.
>> 很不起眼。
Original English >> Understated.
>> 胡里奥说他在那里的记忆很清晰。
Original English >> Julio says his memories there are vivid.
>> 是的。有很多美好的瞬间。也有很多暴力。还有，你知道的，贫穷，哥们儿。那就像教科书般的拉美裔家庭。你知道，你的家人都住在附近。烤肉、科里多音乐、啤酒、枪声，你知道的，很典型。
Original English >> Yeah. A lot of good moments. A lot of violence. Also, you know, poverty, bro. It was like textbook Hispanic household. You know, your family lives together close by. Barbecue, coridos, beers, gunshots, you know, typical.
>> 好玩吗？就像……
Original English >> Was it fun? Like
>> 很好玩。太好玩了。
Original English >> it was fun. It was so fun.
>> 所以那些就是我们以前听的音乐。
Original English >> So those are the the music we would listen to.
>> 噢，真的吗？
Original English >> Oh, really?
>> 我们现在还在听。它们叫作科里多。所以你就是尽情享受音乐，喝着你的啤酒，闻着空气中的豆梨木香，对吧？然后你就戴着墨西哥宽边帽、棒球帽到处闲逛，我们就在那儿放松。
Original English >> We still do. They're called coridos. So, you're just jamming out, drinking your beers, smelling the mosquite in the air, right? And you're just hanging out with your sombrtoos, your caps, and we're just chilling.
>> 我记得那个。是的。
Original English >> I remember that. Yeah.
>> 胡里奥告诉我，他的父亲不怎么喝酒，也不抽烟，但他是个工作狂。 他后来在当地一家叫H-E-B的杂货店找到了工作。他一直在干活。手头很拮据。他们有时要靠食品券度日。
Original English >> Julio told me his dad didn't drink much, nor did he smoke, but he was a workaholic. He eventually got a job at the HB, a local grocery store. He worked all the time. Money was tight. They relied on food stamps at times.
>> 我总是讨厌为开学去买东西，因为我知道自己永远买不到想要的东西。
Original English >> Always hated having to go school shopping cuz I know I wouldn't never get what I wanted.
>> 胡里奥的母亲会给他买五件衬衫，上学每天一件，不多买。
Original English >> Julio's mom would get him five shirts, one for each day of school and no more.
>> 我能得到三条裤子，因为你可以混搭穿。仅此而已。
Original English >> And I get three pants because you can mix and match. That's it.
>> 是啊，
Original English >> Yeah,
>> 因为我们什么也买不起。
Original English >> cuz we couldn't afford anything.
>> 但衣服并不是让胡里奥感到与众不同的唯一方面。所以当我进入学校系统时，
Original English >> But clothes weren't the only way Julio felt different. So when I came into the school system,
>> 他在山谷地区开始上学时只会说西班牙语。所以他说自己只上过双语班。
Original English >> he only spoke Spanish when he started school in the valley. So he said he was in bilingual classes only.
>> 幼儿园、一年级和二年级。
Original English >> Kinder first and second.
>> 但到了三年级，他的老师们把他升到了他的第一个纯英语班。
Original English >> But in third grade, his teachers moved him up to his first English only class.
>> 所以现在你被直接升到了英语班。现在你遇到的是不同层次的学生。 父母都是老师。其中一个人的父母是律师。另一个是校长，开餐馆的，你知道的，诸如此类。而我来了，是第一代，他们已经是第二代或第三代了。
Original English >> So now you get jumped up to an English class. Now you get a different level of students. Parents are teachers. One of them his parents was an attorney. Another one principal, owned a restaurant, you know, stuff like that. Here I come, first generation, they're already second or third.
>> 我记得我们当时在上文化课，辅导员问，嘿，你们父母是做什么的？嗯，我爸爸是做这个的，我爸爸是做那个的。我当时特别紧张。我说，噢，他们会嘲笑我的。我非常自卑。 果不其然，我说，我爸爸在H-E-B工作。我的天啊。大家都开始笑了起来。是的，因为他在杂货店工作。他是个收银员。我觉得难受极了，哥们儿，而且很尴尬。对吧。 老师说：“大家别笑。不是每个人，你知道的，都是专业人士。”诸如此类的话。然后我们就继续了。 所以我心里总憋着一股劲儿，对吧？我必须闯出名堂。
Original English >> And I remember we were in a culture class and the counselors, hey, what do your parents do? Well, my dad's this, my dad's that. And I was so nervous. And I said, oh, they're going to laugh at me. I was so self-conscious. Sure enough, I said, my dad works at HB. Oh my god. Everybody started laughing. Yeah, because he worked at a grocery store. He was a cashier. I feel horrible, bro, and embarrassed. Right. The teacher said, "Don't laugh, guys. Not everybody, you know, is a professional." And stuff like that. And we moved on. So, I always got that chip on my shoulder, right? I had to make it out.
>> 代表墨西哥图利出战，体重139又1/2磅，胡里奥·塞萨尔。 所以回到那时候，世界上最伟大的拳击手之一胡里奥·塞萨尔·查韦斯正处于巅峰期。每次有拳击比赛——拳击在我们的文化里影响很大。整个街区、几个邻居都会聚在一栋房子里，一边烧烤，一边听，然后大家凑钱去租HBO频道。 你会去家里有有线电视的那个人家。对。那时候我们就会这么做。然后我们就会聚会庆祝。然后……而我还是个小孩，忙着去当兼职调酒师。嘿，来瓶啤酒。他们就会给我小费。给你啤酒。他们给我小费。我总是像那样忙着挣钱。我那时候就是那么干的。
Original English >> Fighting out of Tuli, Mexico, weighing in at 139 and 12 lbs, Julio Szar. So back then, Julio Cesar Chavez, one of the greatest boxers in the world, was at his top. And every time there was a boxing match, boxing was huge in our culture. You'd have the whole neighborhood, few neighbors all in one house, barbecuing, listening, and then pitching in to rent that HBO. And you'd go to the house of the person that had the cable. Right. Back then we would do it. And then we would party. And then and I'm a little kid hustling being a bartender. Hey, a beer. And they'd give me a tip. Here's a beer. And they give me a tip. I always hustled like that. That's what I would do.
>> 那就是查韦斯。精准度。
Original English >> And that's Chavez. The accuracy.
>> 胡里奥找到了很多拼命赚钱的路子。
Original English >> Julio found lots of ways to hustle.
>> 好，让我来洗你的车。多少钱？搞定。
Original English >> Okay, let me clean your car. How much? Boom.
>> 他会洗他叔叔那辆96年的红色克尔维特。他很喜欢那辆车。他给别人理发。他靠捡哈士奇的粪便每周赚5美元，一直
Original English >> He'd clean his uncle's 96 red Corvette. He loved that car. He gave people haircuts. He earned $5 a week picking up husky poop always
>> 直到攒够了买第一双全新耐克鞋的钱。
Original English >> until he earned enough money to buy his first pair of new Nikes.
>> 好的。
Original English >> Okay.
>> 我上六年级时买到了安芬尼·哈达威的鞋。那时候要100美元。
Original English >> And I got the Anthony Hardaways when I was in sixth grade. They were $100.
>> 那是……对。90块钱加税。而且那双鞋对我来说大了一码。我在Kids Foot Locker买下的，我得到了它们。
Original English >> And they were Yeah. 90 bucks plus tax. And they were a size too big for me. I won a Kids Foot Locker and I got them.
>> 拿到耐克鞋的时候，你感觉像是胜利了吗？
Original English >> Did you feel like triumphant like when you got the Nike?
>> 噢，是的。 胡里奥结了婚，成为一名特殊教育老师。
Original English >> Oh yeah. Julio got married and became a special ed teacher.
>> 你喜欢这份工作的什么？
Original English >> What' you like about it?
>> 孩子们，贫困，低经济社会地位。我和他们有共鸣。这里有很多天赋。非常多。
Original English >> Kids, poverty, low economic status. I related to them. There's a lot of talent here. A lot.
>> 他热爱这份工作。而且这份工作年薪有40,000。
Original English >> He loved the work. And the job paid 40,000 a year.
>> 你能那样生活吗？
Original English >> Could you live like that?
>> 当然能。我成功了。我熬出头了。
Original English >> Hell yeah. I made it. I made it.
>> 但有一天，一个新的机会来了。
Original English >> But one day, a new opportunity came.
>> 我哥哥说服我去替他干活。他的哥哥邀请他一起去卖房子，
Original English >> My brother convinced me to start working for him. his brother asked him to join him in selling houses
>> 我说，要是你一年给我补贴60,000美元，我就离职，让你看看我能做什么。
Original English >> and I said if you supplement $60,000 a year I'll leave and I'll show you what I can do.
>> 于是胡里奥放手一搏，用他的话说，
Original English >> So Julio took a leap of faith and in his words
>> 然后我就把规模做大了。
Original English >> and I scaled.
>> 他大赚了一笔。
Original English >> He banked it.
>> 34岁。
Original English >> 34 years old.
>> 是的。
Original English >> Yeah.
>> 从底层起步的百万富翁。就像……
Original English >> A millionaire started from the bottom. Like
>> 他现在是一名开发商，拥有自己的按揭贷款公司。
Original English >> he's now a developer and owns his own mortgage company.
>> 就像这一双，它们是菲拉格慕。你……你怎么看？
Original English >> Like these right here, they're Ferragamos. What What do you think?
>> 他的衣橱里塞满了他财务成功的证明。
Original English >> His closet is full of his financial successes.
>> 这……就像这样。我是说，你看到的这是一块70,000美元的手表，一件1,500美元的衬衫。我现在很喜欢这些，因为我记得过去。
Original English >> This like this. I mean, you're talking about a $70,000 watch, a $1,500 shirt. And I have a thing for that now because I remember.
>> 他说他的银行经理就是当年嘲笑他的孩子之一。
Original English >> He says his banker is one of those kids who laughed at him when he was a child.
>> 他看得到我存在银行里的现金。他看得到我的财富账户，你懂的。
Original English >> He sees my cash in the bank. He sees my wealth account, you know.
>> 当他看到这些时，你……你有什么感觉？
Original English >> Do you How do you feel when he sees them?
>> 我感觉超牛气。
Original English >> I feel badass.
>> 他对他没有怨恨，
Original English >> He holds nothing against him,
>> 但依然
Original English >> but still
>> 他很自豪。
Original English >> he's proud.
>> 感觉很棒。
Original English >> It feels good.
>> 里奥格兰德山谷所属的各县属于全国最贫穷的县之列。 所以胡里奥从未远离他的出身之地。当他在山谷地区开车转悠时，他会经过那些殖民区，那些小小的、
Original English >> The Rio Grand Valley's counties are among the poorest in the nation. So Julio is never far from where he came from. When he drives around the valley, he passes colonials, small,
往往是贫困的社区，有时缺乏像铺设好的道路和排污系统这样的基本基础设施。其中很多社区建于几十年前，当时农场工人和劳工从墨西哥赶来在田间劳作，需要一个居住的地方。 但在像这样的贫困角落里，正是胡利奥（Julio）看到可能性的地方。因此多年来，他一直在建造封闭式社区和住宅小区。
Original English often impoverished communities that sometimes lack basic infrastructure like paved roads and sewage systems. A lot of them were established decades ago when farm workers and laborers came from Mexico to work in the fields and needed a place to live. But in pockets of poverty like these, that's where Julio sees possibility. So for years he's been creating gated communities and subdivisions.
>> 所以这里会装一个滑动大门，这样我就能去高尔夫球场了。
Original English >> So this will have a sliding gate so I can go to the golf course.
>> 等等，所以这是你建的吗？这是你建的——
Original English >> Wait, so did you build this? You built it
>> 还有像他现在住的这种房子。
Original English >> and homes like the one he lives in now.
>> 所以这些全是我自己弄的。人造草皮。
Original English >> So I did all this myself. Artificial curve.
>> 你的孩子们都有自己的卧室吗？
Original English >> Do all your kids have their own bedrooms?
>> 是的，他们住的是套间。
Original English >> Yes, they have suites.
>> 所以这些突击搜查不仅仅是对他们生计的打击。这是对他们本身的打击。是对他们所为之奋斗的一切，也是对他们的父母和祖父母所为之奋斗的一切的打击。 但这一代建筑商，他们不会就这样默默任人宰割。于是马里奥（Mario）、胡利奥以及 STBA 董事会的其他人开始谋划对策。
Original English >> So the raids weren't just an attack on their livelihoods. They were an attack on them. an attack on everything they'd worked toward, everything their parents and grandparents had worked toward, too. But this generation of builders, they weren't just going to roll over in silence. So Mario and Julio and the rest of the board at the STBA started to strategize.
>> 哎，当时我们很困惑。我们到底该怎么办？
Original English >> Well, we were confused. What the do we do?
>> 兄弟，我们需要开会。我们 该怎么办？
Original English >> We need meetings, dude. We What do we do?
>> 他们开始寻求帮助。
Original English >> They started looking for help.
>> 我们该去找谁谈？然后我说，兄弟，你得闹出点动静来，兄弟。他们告诉我，他们去找了当地执法部门和当地城市领导人，
Original English >> Who do we talk to? And I said, dude, you need to make some noise, dude. They told me they went to local law enforcement and local city leaders,
>> 你知道的，市长们、委员们，
Original English >> you know, mayors, commissioners,
>> 但得到的答复是，“抱歉，
Original English >> but they were told, "Sorry,
>> 这是联邦层面的问题。
Original English >> this is a federal issue.
>> 法律不是你们制定的，但你们是我们的发声渠道，你们有途径接触到那方面，对吧？那才是一个真正的领导者该做的。”而那种回应挺软弱无力的，你懂吧？所以，我们决定必须在政治层面抗争。我们得给我们的国会议员打电话。那是唯一的解决途径。代表马里奥所在选区的国会议员是共和党女众议员莫妮卡·德·拉·克鲁斯（Monica de la Cruz）。
Original English >> You don't write the laws, but you're our voice and you have access to that right? That's what a true leader does." And that's pretty weak, you know? So, we decided we need to fight this politically. We need to call our congressman. That's the only way to do this. The member of Congress who represents Mario's district is Republican Congresswoman Monica de la Cruz.
>> 我们直接给她打了电话。
Original English >> We called her directly.
>> 他实际上有她的直接联系方式。
Original English >> He actually had her direct contact.
>> 是的，因为我妈妈和我爸爸盖了她的房子。她一点忙也没帮上。
Original English >> Yeah, because my mom and my dad built her house. She was no help.
>> 他们还联系了其他民主党籍国会议员，比如维森特·冈萨雷斯（Vizante Gonzalez）和亨利·奎利亚尔（Henry Quayar），以及国会议员候选人，比如鲍比·普列多（Bobby Pledo）和詹姆斯·塔拉里科（James Telerico）。就像今天早上我试图去——
Original English >> They talked to other Democratic members of Congress like Vizante Gonzalez and Henry Quayar and candidates for Congress like Bobby Pledo and James Telerico too. And like this morning I tried to go to
>> 马里奥甚至还试过去找白宫官员，比如时任国土安全部长克里斯蒂·诺姆（Christy Gnome），她当时来与当地一群农场主交谈。
Original English >> Mario even tried White House officials like then Secretary of Homeland Security Christy Gnome who had come to talk to a local group of farmers.
>> 他们就说，你得出去。这是农场主的会议。
Original English >> They're like you need to get out. This is a farmer's meeting.
>> 但他很快被赶了出来
Original English >> But he was quickly kicked out
>> 他们把我带了出去。
Original English >> and they took me out.
>> 这与党派无关。对于 STVA 的董事会来说，他们觉得是自己雇用了这些官员来做这份工作的。
Original English >> It wasn't about a party. For the board of the STVA, they felt they hired these officials for the job.
>> 我的意思是，归根结底，我们需要提醒我们的民选官员，是我们把他们选上去的。 是我们把他们选上去的，他们需要明白，就像我们能把他们选上去一样，我们也能把他们拉下来。
Original English >> I mean, at the end of the day, we need to remind our elected officials that we put them there. We put them there and they need to understand that just like we put them there, we can take them out.
>> 建筑商们自己也开始采取行动。
Original English >> Builders also started to take action themselves.
>> 在我们的施工现场周围设立周界。
Original English >> Putting a perimeter around our work sites.
>> 他们开始在工地面周围架设围栏，
Original English >> They started to put up fencing around the job sites,
>> 大门时刻锁着。
Original English >> locked gates at all times.
>> 工人们也在提出这个要求。
Original English >> Workers were asking for it.
>> 每天在所有的工地上立起围栏。确保它们锁好。用铁链锁着。我们正准备安装高压电网围栏。呃，
Original English >> Put up the fences in all the job sites every day. Make sure where they're locked. They're locked with the chain. And we're about to install high voltage electricity fences. Um,
>> 没有啦，我开玩笑的，兄弟。那 那是个玩笑。
Original English >> no, I'm kidding, dude. That That was a joke.
>> 我当时就想，什么？
Original English >> I was like, what?
>> 我其实正在给一名移民与海关执法局（ICE）特工盖房子
Original English >> I'm actually building a house for an ice agent
>> 就在现在。
Original English >> right now.
>> 是的，就在现在。他的工程是最后一批装上围栏的工程之一。他说，我刚看到你给围起来了。我说，是啊，我们不得不这么做。但他只是点点头。他就是说，是啊，那这正是你们需要的。就是这样。他的工程还没被突击搜查过，对吧？
Original English >> Yeah, right now. His project was one of the last projects to get fenced up. He's like, I just saw that you fenced it up. And I was like, yeah, we had to. But he just nodded. He's just like, yeah, that's what you need then. That's it. His project hasn't been rated, right?
>> 他的还没有。
Original English >> His has not.
>> 许多建筑商投资购置了安防监控摄像头
Original English >> Many builders invested in security cameras
>> 通过我的手机全天候24小时记录，甚至在夜间。
Original English >> through my phone record 24/7, even at night.
>> 大号的10英尺4x4柱子，带摄像头，太阳能供电。你看，我们看到明尼苏达州那位女士遭遇了什么。上帝保佑千万别发生那样的事。万一我们的某个工人，或者怎么的，或者是我们当中的一个人，我们卷入了某种冲突，他们在这里把我们射杀了。你知道的，年轻，我们需要安装摄像头 许多人指示他们的施工队，如果 ICE 出现，不要跟他们说话。但无论做什么，都千万别跑。
Original English >> Big 10 foot 4x4 post with camera, solar power. Look, we saw what happened with that lady up in Minnesota. God forbid something like that happens. One of our workers, whatever, or one of us, we get into some kind of scuffle and they shoot us down here. You know, young, we need to put cameras Many instructed their crews that if I shows up, don't talk to them. But whatever you do, don't run.
>> 那是关键。绝不要逃跑。只要进到房子里去，进到工地上，别理他们。
Original English >> That's the key. Do not run away. Just to go inside the house, the job site, ignore.
>> 那肯定是一件极难做到的事情。就像——
Original English >> That must be such a hard thing to do. Like
>> 这太难了。我一直这么告诫。我对我的分包商也是这么说的。但我 我能想象，如果真发生那种情况，换作是他们会是怎样的感受。
Original English >> it's so tough. I preach it. I say it to my subs. But I I can imagine like being in their shoes when if that happens.
### 权利认知与种族定性问题 >> 但他们知道所有这些都只是权宜之计。并没有解决问题。人们非常关切我们实际拥有的权利到底是什么。
Original English >> But they knew all of this was only a stop gap. It wasn't fixing the problem. People are really concerned about what our actual rights are.
>> 他们感到困惑，因为这些工地不都是私人财产吗？
Original English >> They were confused because weren't these job sites private property?
>> 我们作为土地所有者立场何在？这个我们不知道。
Original English >> Where do we as land owners stand? We don't know that.
>> 他们告诉我，他们觉得特工们是在利用那些不了解自身权利的工人。但他们自己可是公民，然而对于自身的权利同样感到困惑。
Original English >> They told me they felt agents were taking advantage of workers who didn't know their rights. But here they were citizens and they were puzzled about their rights too.
>> 所以这就变成了，我们这到底是在做什么？我是说，在没有搜查令的情况下的种族定性。他们仅仅凭借最微不足道的理由就说：“嘿，让我进去。”最微不足道的理由是什么？他们是棕色人种，而且在干建筑活
Original English >> So it's like what are we doing? I mean the racial profiling when you don't have a warrant. They're using the bare minimum to say, "Hey, let me go in there." And what's the bare minimum? They're brown and they're working construction
>> 对 STBA 的一些建筑商来说。
Original English >> to some builders in the STBA.
>> 这不对。
Original English >> It's not right.
>> 一切都开始让人感觉带有种族主义色彩。
Original English >> Is all starting to feel racist.
>> 我是说，这就是种族主义。实话实说吧。这就是种族主义。
Original English >> I mean, it's racist. Like, let's be real. It's racist.
>> 这对里奥格兰德河谷（Rio Grande Valley）的许多人来说，几乎是难以置信的。
Original English >> Which for many in the Rio Grand Valley was almost unbelievable.
>> 是的。我们周围有一层小小的保护壳。
Original English >> Yeah. We have a little shell around us.
>> 他们当中许多人告诉我，因为河谷地区绝大多数是拉丁裔。
Original English >> Many of them told me that because the valley is mostly Latino.
>> 你习惯了不被种族定性。你习惯了不被骂侮辱性词汇，或者——
Original English >> You're used to not being racially profiled. you're used to not being called slurs or
>> 他们以前在河谷这里从来不必真正去多想种族主义的事。
Original English >> they never really had to think much about racism
>> 就像种族主义在这里根本不存在一样。
Original English >> here in the valley. Like racism is not a thing here.
>> 而且这不仅仅是针对无证工人的。
Original English >> And it wasn't just directed toward undocumented workers.
>> 你 你有没有害怕过就这样四处走动、过正常的生活？你有过任何恐惧吗？
Original English >> Do you are are you ever afraid to just walk around, live your normal life? Do you have any fear?
>> 呃，我 我是说这确实在脑海里闪现过。这就是为什么我都随身带着我的 我的身份证件。
Original English >> Um I I mean it it's crossed my mind. That's why I'm like carrying my my ID with me.
>> 于是许多建筑商开始随身携带驾照和护照。 作为一名美国公民，却处于担心自己可能会被盘问的心态，这挺让人难过的，但眼下这就是我们所面临的现实，尤其是在我们这儿。
Original English >> So many builders started carrying around their driver's licenses, their passports. It's sad to to have that state of mind as a United States citizen to have a fear that potentially you could be questioned, but at the moment that's the reality that we're facing, especially down here.
>> 他们当中的一些人自己也曾被拦下。
Original English >> Some of them got pulled over themselves.
>> 我当时就想，为什么 为什么你要拦下我？你知道的，我把我的工程卡车停下。我 我不知道他为什么拦下我，但他找我要证件。我说，你是公民吗？我刚下班过来，兄弟。就这样。然后他就放我走了。当时就觉得，天哪，这到底搞什么鬼，你懂吧？这真让我恼火。
Original English >> And I was like, why why are you stopping me? You know, I stopped my work truck. I I don't know why he stopped me, but he asked me for papers. I'm like, you a citizen? I just came from work, bro. That's it. And then he let me off. And it's like, oh my god, what the hell is this, you know? It pisses me off.
### 马丁·路德·金纪念日会议 >> 那是在一月份左右，当全美都因 ICE 在明尼阿波利斯杀害蕾妮·古德（Renee Good）而深感震惊之际，STBA 做了一件不同的事。他们在马丁·路德·金纪念日（Martin Luther King Day）举行了另一场会议。 当我定下会议日期时，我甚至都不知道那是马丁·路德·金纪念日。
Original English >> It was around January and while the entire country was reeling from the ICE killing of Renee Good in Minneapolis, the STBA did something different. They held another meeting on Martin Luther King Day. When I set the date for the meeting, I didn't even know it was Martin Luther King Day.
>> 这个日子以前对马里奥来说并没有太大意义，但当会议定下来后，他开始去了解它。
Original English >> The day didn't mean much to Mario before, but when the meeting was set, he started to look into it.
>> 当我意识到这一点时，我开始聆听马丁·路德·金的演讲，因为小时候我从来没真正留意过他在讲些什么。如今作为一个成年人，我听着他的演讲，心想，天哪，这跟我们正在经历的太像了。 感觉 感觉非常具有针对性，就像我们的权利正在被剥夺一样。我是说感觉就像那样，对我们的文化来说感觉就是如此。
Original English >> When I realized it, I started listening to Martin Luther King speeches cuz I had never really paid attention to him as a child of what he was talking about. Now, as an adult, I was listening to him and I'm like, man, this resembles what we're going through. It feels it feels very targeted like our rights are been taken away. I mean it feels like that like that's how it feels to our culture.
>> 请大家起立低头默祷。
Original English >> May we rise and bow our heads please.
>> 他们邀请了国会议员。
Original English >> They invited members of Congress.
>> 我要感谢您，天父上帝，为了这里的每一个人。上帝，
Original English >> I want to thank you, Father God, for every person that's here. God,
>> 在简短的祷告之后，
Original English >> and after a quick prayer,
>> STBA 播放了一段马丁·路德·金的视频，
Original English >> the STBA played a video of Martin Luther King
>> 在 中国，甚至在俄罗斯，或任何极权国家。也许我还能理解其中某些非法禁令
Original English >> in China or even Russia or any totalitarian country. Maybe I could understand some of these illegal injunctions
>> 旁边并列播放着河谷地区近期 ICE 突击搜查的现场录像。
Original English >> next to footage of recent ICE raids in the valley.
>> 我会讲得非常简短。我们作为一个社区正在经历一些非常艰难的时期。光是我们这一地区，就有超过9,000人被驱逐出境。我们是爱好和平的人民。我们工作非常努力。你们在任何地方都没有看到像在其他地区看到的那种混乱局面。我们只是在做我们的本职工作。我们把没浇筑好的混凝土板修整好，然后继续前行。 感谢各位的光临。我非常感谢大家，呃，让我们来谈谈吧。
Original English >> I'm going to keep this very brief. We as a community are going through some really hard times. Over 9,000 people have been deported just out of our area. We are a peaceful people. We work really hard. Nowhere did you see disruption like you've seen in other areas. We simply do what we do. We fix that concrete slab that didn't get poured and we move forward. Thank you for being here. I appreciate y'all and uh let's talk.
>> 谢谢大家。早上好。呃，大家早上好，感谢大家今天邀请我来这里。我是国会女众议员莫妮卡·德·拉·克鲁斯。
Original English >> Thank you. Good morning. Uh good morning everyone and thank you for having me here today. I am Congresswoman Monica de la Cruz.
>> 在国会议员们作自我介绍之后，
Original English >> And after the members of Congress introduce themselves,
>> 大家早上好。我叫亨利·法（Henry Fa），第28选区国会议员。
Original English >> good morning to all of you. My name is Henry Fa, Congressman, District 28.
>> 胡利奥站起身，就他们的
Original English >> Julio gets up and asks some questions about their
### 现场执法的法律界线与国会质询 权利。
Original English rights.
>> 我们想把法律搞清楚。在工作场所执法上，什么能做，什么不能做？谁是……
Original English >> We want to know the law clearly. What can and what can't be done on work site enforcements? Who is the
>> 接着他传达了自己的信息。
Original English >> And then he sends his own message.
>> 伙计，我们明尼阿波利斯那边有人。所有的白人都群情激愤。然后你来到这里的拉萨族裔群体。我们管好自己的事。我们在工作。我们不闹事。没人闹事。设想一下如果我们群情激愤，如果我们去社交媒体上煽动所有人。我们没必要那么做。我们已经超越了那种境地。我们在这底下是一群很有力量的人。我们很低调。但可别去把那只老虎给弄醒了，伙计，因为我们要是急眼了也是会动真格的，对吧？抱歉，我性格就是这样。不过，嗯，让我们开始探讨一些解决方案吧。所以如果你们各位能给我们一些反馈，奎利亚尔先生、德拉克鲁斯女士，我们就可以开始圆桌讨论。谢谢。
Original English >> Man, We got people up in in Minneapolis. All the white people are up in arms. Then you come here to La Rasa. We mind our business. We're working. We don't fight. No one's fighting. Imagine if we get up in arms and we go on social media and we r everybody up. We don't need to do that. We're beyond that. We're a powerful bunch down here. We're quiet. But just don't wake up that tiger, man, because we get crazy and we get down, right? Sorry, that's the album with me. But um let's let's start some solutions. So if you guys can give us some feedback, Mr. Qu, Miss Dea Cruz, we can start a round table discussion. Thank you.
>> 那么，呃，我来开始这个讨论。第一点，谢谢大家今天来到这里。
Original English >> So uh I'll begin this discussion. Number one, thank you everyone for being here today.
>> 德拉克鲁斯众议员尝试作出回答。我们是立法者——
Original English >> Congresswoman Dea Cruz takes a stab at an answer. We're legislators
>> ——通过讨论立法选项，比如设立一个新的工作签证项目。
Original English >> by discussing legislative options, maybe creating a new work visa program.
>> 我们正在考虑某些法案。
Original English >> There's certain pieces of legislation that we are looking at.
>> 而奎利亚尔众议员则谈到了他在拨款委员会的工作。
Original English >> And Congressman Quaar talks about his work on appropriations.
>> 我们必须对移民与海关执法局（ICE）实施某种监督。
Original English >> We've got to find some sort of oversight for ICE.
>> 给 ICE 装上防护栏。
Original English >> Put guard rails on ice.
>> 具体细节，我们会在接下来几个小时里了解清楚。
Original English >> Details. We'll find out in the next couple hours.
>> 在会议休会前，另一位南德克萨斯建筑商协会（STBA）董事会成员作了最后的恳求。
Original English >> And before the meeting adjourns, another STBA board member makes a final plea.
有很多人，而且我手下有许多工人已经多年没能见到家人了。他们在这里待了 10 年、20 年、30 年，他们的父母正在离世，他们的祖父母也是，他们中有些人把孩子留在了家乡，他们甚至一直没能去看望自己的孩子，而那就是他们所渴望的。他们只是想能够跨过边境，看看亲戚，看看家人。公民身份，固然很好，但归根结底那不是他们所寻求的。他们只是希望能干活。而我们作为建筑商，我们只是希望能够把房屋建完。我们将能够继续前行。这是我们唯一知晓的生活方式。这是我们唯一在做的事，我们只是想能够继续工作下去。
Original English There's many people and I have many workers that haven't been able to see their families for many years. They've been here for 10, 20, 30 years and their parents are dying, their grandparents and some of them left children behind and they haven't even been able to go see their children and that's what they want. They just want to be able to cross across the border, see their relatives, see their families, citizenship, it's good, but at the end that's not what they're looking for. They just want to be able to work. And we as builders, we just want to be able to finish our homes. We're going to be able to move forward. This is the only way of life that we know. This is the only thing we do, and we just want to be able to continue working.
>> 嗯，我认为那行不通。嗯，
Original English >> Well, I think that won't work. Well,
>> 会后，我询问马里奥，他是否认为他们得到了关于自身权利的明确答案。
Original English >> after the meeting, I asked Mario about whether he thought they got a clear answer about their rights.
>> 噢，不，不，不。我的意思是，问题就在这儿。我们根本没能拿到答案。那你为什么觉得你们没能就此得到明确答案呢？
Original English >> Oh, no, no, no. I mean, that's the thing. We weren't able to get an answer. And why don't you think you were able to get a clear answer on that?
>> 因为我认为他们根本不知道。而且我认为他们也不想欺骗我们。我相信他们明白，我们现在正处在一个非常微妙的关头。而这非常令人害怕。
Original English >> Because I don't believe that they know it. And I don't believe that they want to lie to us. I believe that they understand that it's a very interesting moment in time where we're at right now. And that's very frightening.
### 前往华盛顿国会山 >> 但马里奥和董事会觉得理应得到一个解释。于是他们询问那些国会议员，能否在华盛顿安排一次会面，与特朗普政府的领导层、甚至可能是特朗普总统本人谈一谈。事实正是如此。他们飞往华盛顿，走进了国会大厦。
Original English >> But Mario and the board felt they were owed an explanation. So they asked those members of Congress whether they could arrange a meeting in Washington to talk to leaders in the Trump administration, maybe even President Trump himself. And that's exactly what happened. They flew to Washington and walked into the capital.
>> 你以前去过那里吗？
Original English >> Had you been there before?
>> 从来没有。
Original English >> Never.
>> 看到那一切是什么感觉？
Original English >> What was that like to see?
>> 我简直不敢相信自己会在那里。我就觉得，“哇。”就是不敢相信。我和我父亲在一起，因为他也是董事会的一员。他是董事会成员之一。我们走进去，我们到了那儿，一群墨西哥人到了那儿，我们心想：“哇，伙计，这种建筑我们都能建。”我们环顾四周打量着一切，看到所有东西是多么宏伟。
Original English >> I couldn't believe that I was there. I was like, "Wow." Like I couldn't believe it. And I was there with my dad cuz he's part of the board. Like he's one of the board members. and we go in there and it's so we show up, a bunch of Mexicans show up and we're like, "Wow, man, we can build this." So, we're looking around and everything and it's and we see how great everything is.
>> 我就站在那里，沉浸其中。你知道，甚至我父亲都说：“要不是因为你，我们谁都不可能来到这里。”那真的很酷。我只觉得到了决战时刻了。对我来说那就是决战时刻。我心想：“好吧，兄弟。你有这一次机会了。这是你全力以赴的大好机会。”
Original English >> I just stood there and I soaked it in. You know, even my dad said like, "Not one of us would have ever been here if it wasn't for you." It was really cool. And I just felt like it was game time. It was just game time to me. I was like, "All right, bro. Like, you got your one shot. This is your one opportunity to step the up.
奎利亚尔众议员安排了为期两天的与其他国会议员的会谈，
Original English Congressman Qualaya had arranged two days of meetings with other members of Congress
>> 那是一整天接一整天的会谈，满档的会面，
Original English >> and it was a full day of meetings, full day of meetings,
>> 包括国土安全和小组成农业小组委员会的主席。
Original English >> including the chairman of the Homeland Security and Agriculture subcommittees.
>> 比如各种密度极高的会议。
Original English >> Like crazy meetings.
>> 我们与人们交谈，我们是什么样就是什么样。我们会对大家讲真话。我们会告诉你们我们需要什么。我们告诉所有人，我们不是政客。我们来这里是寻求帮助的。你在那一刻感到充满希望吗？
Original English >> We talked to people and we are who we are. We will tell people the truth. We'll tell you what we need. And we told everybody, we're not politicians. We are here asking for help. Did you at that point feel hopeful that
>> 是的，非常大。
Original English >> Yes, big time.
>> 极度，嗯，爱国，
Original English >> Super um patriotic
>> 对董事会来说。这是一个大有可为的机会，
Original English >> to the board. It was a powerful opportunity
>> 就像是说，“噢，好吧，这就是美国。”太棒了。只要你敢发声，就能把事情办成。是的，这就是运转中的民主。我们，我们是干体力活的人。真的是骄傲的时刻。绝对让人起鸡皮疙瘩。是的。
Original English >> like, "Oh okay, this is the US." Like, awesome. If you speak up, you can get things done. Yeah, this is democracy in action. We We're labor guys. Like, proud moment for sure. Goosebumps for sure. Yeah.
>> 董事会抛出了一些政策设想。
Original English >> The board threw out policy ideas.
>> 我们在挨家挨户敲门，
Original English >> We're knocking on doors
>> 同时漫步在国会的走廊里。
Original English >> while walking the halls of Congress.
>> 是的。是的，我的意思是，我们当时提出了一个想法：嘿，别把我们的熟练师傅们赶走，懂吗？
Original English >> Yeah. Yeah, I mean, we were throwing around the idea of, hey, don't get rid of our maestros, you know?
>> 要是你们别动我们的师傅们呢？
Original English >> What if you leave our maestros alone?
>> 利用他们的才能以及我们多年来作为社会所积累的这一资产。让我们利用他们，教导我们的下一代，然后就像，好，现在我们开办一批职业学校，这将造福美国其余地区，而这全部来自于相信美国梦的劳动者的双手，因为在南德克萨斯，美国梦依然鲜活。那难道不是一个更好的主意吗？那对每个人来说都会是一件大好事。
Original English >> Use their talents and the asset that we've created over the years as as a society. Let's use them, teach our kids, and like, okay, now we start a bunch of trade schools that are going to benefit the rest of the United States and all came from labor hands that believed in the American dream because in South Texas, the American dream is alive and well. Wouldn't that have been a better idea? That would have been great for everybody.
我们上哪儿去弄一个有 25 年经验的木工骨架师傅？
Original English Where are we going to get a 25 year experienced framer?
你们把他们驱逐出境了。但随着 STBA 参加一场又一场会议，他们摸不清这些提议究竟有没有引起哪怕一丝重视。
Original English You shipped them out. But as the STBA went to meeting after meeting, they couldn't tell if any of this was gaining traction.
### 与 ICE 官员的直接交锋 >> 为什么我们是世界上最好的国家，却帮不了人？为什么？但我们却能让像埃隆·马斯克这样的亿万富翁把火箭送上天。行行好，兄弟。不过，他们至少可以弄清楚一些有关自身权利的基本答案。就在那时，他们与多名 ICE 官员见了面。
Original English >> Why is it that we're the best country in the world and we can't help people? Why? But we can have billionaires like Elon Mus shooting rockets to the sky. Come on, bro. At the very least though, they could get some basic answers about their rights. And that's when they met with several ICE officials.
>> 我们走进会场，与……
Original English >> We get into the meeting with
>> 我在那次会面后给马里奥打了电话，
Original English >> I called Mario after that meeting
>> 我们来来回回据理力争。嘿，你们——
Original English >> and we're going at it back and forth. Hey, you
>> 他说他们当时问对方的第一批问题之一就是：
Original English >> he said one of the first questions they asked them was,
>> “嘿，你们进入我们的工地。
Original English >> "Hey, you guys are coming into our job sites.
>> 我们的工地难道不是私人领地吗？”那位 ICE 官员说：“嗯，美国政府不把任何地产视为私人领地，除非它是完全封闭的。正如我们所说，任何执法人员都不需要出示任何搜查令，因为没有任何东西阻止平民走进你们的工地。”于是我们就觉得，“好吧，好吧，行。”我接着说：“好的，长官。嗯哼。
Original English >> Aren't our job sites private property?" The ICE official says, "Well, the United States government doesn't consider any property to be private property unless it is fully enclosed. No law enforcement needs to show any warrant as we said because there's nothing that is stopping a civilian from walking your job site." So, we were like, "Okay, okay, okay." I was like, "Okay, sir. Mhm.
>> 那么如果我走到你居住的街区，站在你家草坪上，我算非法侵入吗？
Original English >> So if I go to your neighborhood where you live and I stand on your grass, am I trespassing?
>> 他说：‘现在可不是耍聪明的时候。’”
Original English >> He goes, "It's not time to be smart."
>> 9 月份，也就是这次会面大约 7 个月后，阿拉巴马州的一家联邦法院实际上就此问题表了态。它支持了建筑商的立场。法官裁定，对建筑工地的无证搜查实际上是非法的。
Original English >> In September, about 7 months after this meeting, a federal court in Alabama actually weighed in on this. It agreed with the builders. The judge ruled that warrantless searches of construction sites were in fact illegal.
>> 那也是那位官员说的另一件事——
Original English >> And that's another thing the official
>> STBA 董事会转向了另一个话题。如果——
Original English >> The STBA board moved to another topic. If
>> 为什么特工们要逮捕证件有效的人员？其中一位官员回答说：
Original English >> why are agents arresting people with valid paperwork? One of the officials answered,
>> “如果一个人持有特朗普政府上台之前发放给他们的正规合法文件，
Original English >> "If a person with proper documentation that was given to them prior to the Trump administration,
>> 对，
Original English >> yeah,
>> 本届政府不会承认任何在拜登政府、奥巴马政府、布什政府或特朗普之前的任何人治下发放的文件是有效的。我跟你讲，他就是这么跟我们说的。”我们当时就懵了，“你这是什么意思？”所以我问那个人，我说：“那么这届政府和那届政府有什么区别？本该是同一个政府。只不过应该是换了一个不同的人在管事，你知道，我猜也就是通过该死的电视在对我们发号施令。”
Original English >> this administration is not going to consider any paperwork valid that was given by Biden's administration, Obama's, or Bush's or anyone's prior to Trump. I'm telling you, that's what he told us." And we were like, "What do you mean?" So I asked the guy, I was like, "So what's the difference between this government and that government? It should be the same government. It should just be a different person that's running, you know, I guess talking to us through a freaking TV."
>> 在某一刻，董事会对其中一名 ICE 官员说：“你们在山谷地区逮捕的那些人，其中许多人持有依然有效的文件，你们抓错人了。
Original English >> At some point, the board told one of the ICE officials, "The people you're arresting in the valley, many of whom have this paperwork that's still valid, they're the wrong people.
>> 你们为什么不去抓拜登政府放进来的那些人？你们抓的是在这里待了 15 年、20 年的人。你们到底在干什么？为什么你们要恐吓这些勤奋劳作的人？这是对社会的恐怖主义袭击。”而他只是一言不发。
Original English >> Why are you not going after the people that the Biden administration came out? You're going after people that have been here for 15 years, 20 years. Like, what what are you doing? Why is it that you're terrorizing hardworking people? It is a terroristic attack on society. And he just stayed quiet.
>> 呵？
Original English >> Huh?
>> 全是一场谎言。全是一场谎言。然后我告诉他，我说：“听着，我一路飞到华盛顿特区，
Original English >> It's all a lie. It's all a lie. Then I told him, I was like, "Look, I flew all the way to DC
>> 就是为了让你能从一个没有任何政治纽带的人口中听到这些。我不是政客。我是个商人。我的情况是，我作为一名特朗普的选民来告诉你，作为一个支持特朗普并且三次都把票投给他的人——而且我因为承认这一点还收到了死亡威胁——
Original English >> so that you can hear it from somebody that has no political ties. I'm not a politician. I'm a businessman. My thing is I came to tell you as a Trump voter, as somebody that supported Trump and I voted for him all three times and I've gotten death threats for admitting that
因为我的所作所为。”我告诉他：
Original English because of what I'm doing." I told him,
“你可得明白，你们要输了。你们骗了我们。你们这些人的所作所为，你们注定会输的，兄弟。而且我敢向你保证，这个河谷地区绝不会再变红了。”
Original English "Just so you know, you're gonna lose. You tricked us. What you guys are doing, you're going to lose, bro. And I can guarantee you the value will never be read again.
屋里一片死寂。
Original English There was dead silence in the room.
我们向库埃亚尔议员的办公室以及当时在场的其他人核实了这次会面的情况，并证实了马里奥的陈述以及当时讨论的议题。我也就这次会面以及马里奥所陈述的官员对南得克萨斯建筑商协会的答复向移民和海关执法局进行了询问，但始终没有收到任何回复。
Original English We checked with Congressman Quayer's office about this meeting as well as others who were there and were able to confirm Mario's account and the issues discussed. I also asked ICE about the meeting and Mario's account of the answers the officials gave to the STBA, but never received a response.
>> 我们刚从华盛顿特区回来，我的一位在移民和海关执法局工作的客户就联系了我。他真给我发了短信，说道：“嘿，能给你打个电话吗？”然后他说：“我不知道你们在华盛顿到底干了什么，但我们刚刚接到死命令，必须停止冲击施工现场。”
Original English >> Soon as we got back from Washington DC, a client of mine works for ICE. He actually texts me and he goes, "Hey, can I call you?" And he's like, "I don't know what the hell you did in Washington, but we just got strict orders that we need to stop attacking job sites."
>> 哇。
Original English >> Wow.
>> 他就是这么跟我说的。恐吓施工现场。
Original English >> That's what he told me. terrorizing job sites.
### 突击行动卷土重来与休斯敦枪击事件 >> 马里奥说突击行动似乎确实有所放缓，但平静并未持续太久。几个月后的六月，国会通过了《保护美国法案》，移民和海关执法局及边境巡逻队获得了额外的700亿资金支持，导致逮捕人数激增。到了七月，在河谷地区仅一天之内就有200多人被捕。同月，在往北5小时车程的休斯敦，一名移民和海关执法局特工开枪打死了框架工人洛伦佐·萨尔加多·阿霍。当他们在休斯敦杀死洛伦佐·萨尔加多时，他们扼杀了美国梦。
Original English >> Mario said the raids did seem to slow down, but the quiet didn't last long. A few months later in June, Congress passed the Secure America Act, and ICE and Border Patrol were given an additional 70 billion in funding, leading to a surge of arrests. And in July, more than 200 people were arrested in the valley in a single day. And that same month, an ICE agent shot and killed Lorenzo Salgado Ajo, a framer 5 hours north in Houston. When they killed Lorenzo Salgado in Houston, they killed the American dream.
>> 他没带武器，也没有在逃避警察。他早上照常去上班，就像一个相信美国梦的人被教导的那样去做。醒来，起个大早，做好你的工作，挣一份正当的薪水，养活你的家人，供他们上学读书，你知道的，这就是美国梦，对吧？而呃，我们却向那个人开了枪。
Original English >> He wasn't carrying. He wasn't running from the police. He was going to work in the morning like a person that believes in the American dream was taught to do. Wake up, get up early, do your job, earn an honest pay, feed your family, put them through school, you know, the American dream, right? And uh we shot that guy.
>> 是的。
Original English >> Yeah,
>> 我能听出建筑商话语里的挣扎。
Original English >> I could hear builder struggling.
在一个转瞬间就能将生命剥夺的国家里，去建立生活究竟意味着什么？
Original English What does it mean to build a life in a country that can take it away in an instant?
框架工人A每天都在经受这个问题的考验。
Original English A the framer was living that question daily.
他也听说了那起命案。但在某种程度上，他对眼前的景象并没有那么惊讶。A知道，在河谷地区的人们之间一直存在着这些无形的界线。
Original English He heard about the killing, too. But in some ways, he was less surprised by what he was seeing. A knew there had always been these invisible lines separating people in the valley.
哪怕在移民和海关执法局到来之前，人们并不怎么谈论这一点。
Original English even if people didn't talk about it much before ICE arrived.
### A的身世与无证经历 >> A直到13岁左右，一位朋友邀请他去邻县钓鱼时，他才知道自己是没有合法身份的。
Original English >> A had no idea he was undocumented until he was around 13 and a friend invited him on a fishing trip the next county over.
>> 我朋友的妈妈去接我们的时候，她问我有没有身份证件。我说，为什么？她说，因为路上有检查站，以防他们拦下我们。
Original English >> And when my friend's mom went to pick us up, she asked me if I had an ID. I'm like, why? She's like, cuz there's a checkpoint just in case they stop us.
边境巡逻队在里奥格兰德河谷的高速公路沿线设立了检查站。
Original English Border Patrol operates checkpoints along highways in the Rio Grand Valley.
>> 然后我说：“什么？我肯定有的啊。”于是我问了我妈妈，她说：“哦不行，那你不能去。”我就问：“为什么？”她说：“因为你不是在这里出生的。你是在墨西哥出生的。”我当时就懵了：“什么？”她说：“是啊，我之前没告诉你是因为呃你不会懂的，但你不是在这里出生的，所以你不能过检查站。”所以就在那一刻，我我发现自己是……我是在那边出生的。
Original English >> And I was like, "What? I'm sure I have one." So I asked my mom and she said, "Oh no, then you can't go." And I'm like, "Why?" She said, "Cuz you were not born here. You were born in Mexico." And I was like, "What?" And she's like, "Yeah, I mean I hadn't told you because uh you wouldn't understand, but you were not born here, so you can't be crossing a checkpoint." So that's the moment I I found out I was a I was born over there.
哇。那你当时是怎么想的？也就是说，你是怎么消化这件事的？
Original English Wow. And what did you think? Like what did you how did you process that? No,
>> 我的意思是，这就像是一个很难承受的打击，对吧？但是……
Original English >> I mean it was like a hard hit to take, right? But
>> 我是说，到头来我们也改变不了任何事情。
Original English >> I mean eventually we can't change anything.
>> A不得不去谋划一个符合摆在他面前的界限的未来。当他成为一名框架工人时，他发现其他人也在做同样的事。他告诉我，至少在刚开始的时候，跟他一起工作的人没有一个有合法证件的。
Original English >> A had to figure out a future that fit within the boundaries set for him. And when he became a framer, he found others doing the same. He told me that at least in the beginning, no one he worked with had papers.
>> 从来没有。没有。没有。有证件的人通常不干这种活。他们不干的。
Original English >> Never. No. No. People with papers don't usually do this type of work. They don't.
>> 但在几年前他被拖欠工钱的时候，他真切地体会到了自己的法律身份带来的处境。
Original English >> But he really felt his legal status when a couple of years ago he wasn't paid.
>> 那你觉得你损失了，或者说没拿到多少钱？
Original English >> And how much money do you think you lost or weren't paid?
>> 大概8千左右。
Original English >> 8 grand more or less
>> 光是给你一个人的，还是你整个工队的？
Original English >> just to you or your whole career?
>> 不，光是给我的。
Original English >> No, just to me.
>> 我听过很多像A这样的无证工人拿不到工钱的故事，也听过工人去报复的故事，比如闯进他们盖好的房子，割破石膏板，或者在墙上喷漆。但A说他没有做任何这类事情。
Original English >> I've heard a lot of stories like Ace of undocumented workers not being paid and stories where the workers take revenge like break into a house they built and cut the sheetrock or spray paint the walls. But A said he didn't do anything like that.
可是我的意思是，我们的手脚都被绑住了。你懂我意思吗？如果我们跟他们发生争吵或冲突，归根结底到头来输的都会是我们。我们为什么就这么算了？因为呃，人总是有得有失。他们迟早会遭报应的。我们就交托在上帝手中，他会处理的。
Original English But I mean, we're tied up. You get me? If we start argument or conflict with them, we'll lose eventually at the end of the day. Why we just left it like that? Cuz uh we win some, we lose some. Eventually, they'll get their karma. We'll just leave it to God's hands and he'll take care of it.
### 拘留经历与重返工地 >> 被关在拘留所里的时候，他经常祈祷。
Original English >> When was in detention, he prayed a lot.
你饿着肚子入睡。因为饥饿，你的胃里火烧火燎的。头一两周，你的体重就会掉15到20磅。我的意思是，这这太不可思议了。
Original English You go to bed starving. Your stomach burns because you're hungry. First week, two weeks, you lose 15, 20 lbs. I mean, it's it's incredible.
>> 他们平时都给你们吃些什么食物？
Original English >> What was the food that they would feed you?
>> 有时候他们就给我们两份鸡肉、一点点米饭，还有水。就这些。仅仅是为了让你不至于死掉。我猜这纯粹就是为了维持你的性命。
Original English >> Sometimes they would just give us two chickens and a little bit of rice and just water. That's it. Just so you don't die. I'm guessing it's just to keep you alive.
>> 他告诉我，他的孩子们看到他在那里感到很困惑。
Original English >> He told me his kids were confused to see him there.
>> 我的……我儿子是我唯一的男孩。他开始变得非常有攻击性。他来看我的时候，就一直抱着我，他不愿意……他不想让我把他放下来。他就一直那么抱着我，一边哭一边抱着我。当警官说：“嘿，时间到了。该离开了。”他就开始大哭。他开始……我是说使劲往我身上挤，拉着我，他不想离开。但我是说，被关在里面，而且呃，这这是一件……这是一种无助感。
Original English >> My my son is my only boy. He started becoming really aggressive. When he would come see me, he would just hug me and he wouldn't he wouldn't want me to put him down. He would just be hugging me and he would be crying and hugging me. And when the officers would be like, "Hey, your time's up. It's time to leave." He would start crying. He would start I mean pushing himself towards me, pulling me that he didn't want to leave. But I mean, being in there and uh it's it's it's a feeling of helplessness.
这很羞辱人。这个地方，我我不希望即使是我最痛恨的敌人被关在里面。
Original English It's humiliating. It's some place I I wouldn't wish my worst enemy to be in.
>> 许多周之后，他获得了移民保释。他说是一个朋友借钱给他付了保释金。
Original English >> Many weeks later, he was granted immigration bond. He said a friend loaned him the money to pay for it.
>> 我的孩子们，他们都在哭。我抱了他们。我也抱了我的妻子。那种感觉真的很好。那样，我就知道自己又重获自由了。
Original English >> My kids, they were crying. I hugged them. I hugged my wife, too. It was really nice feeling. So, I knew I was free again.
>> 而就在第二天，他又回到了施工现场。
Original English >> And the very next day, he was back on the job site.
>> 就紧接着的第二天，因为呃我的房租拖欠了。我拖欠了我的呃卡车分期付款。我拖欠了电费、水费、电话账单。我样样都逾期拖欠了。每一件事都逾期了。是的。所以我必须得去干活。
Original English >> The very very next day because uh I was uh late on rent. I was late on my uh truck payments. I was late on the light, the water, the phone bills. I was late on everything. Every single thing. Yes. So, I had to get to work.
>> 自从他出来之后，他的活儿非常抢手。面对用工短缺，他说他一天能接到10到12张图纸。而且和河谷地区的大多数人一样，他也在四处招工。
Original English >> Since he's been out, he's high in demand. With the worker shortage, he says he gets 10 to 12 blueprints a day. And like much of the valley, he's also looking for workers.
>> 试着去招募人手，
Original English >> Trying to recruit people
>> 具有合法身份或公民身份的工人。
Original English >> workers who are legal or citizens.
>> 直接挑明跟他说，比如：“嘿，不是我故意找茬，但你有社安号吗？”
Original English >> Tell him straight up like, "Hey, not being me, but do you have a social security?"
>> 尽管如此，
Original English >> Still,
>> 我们有几辆皮卡车经过。而且……
Original English >> we've had a couple trucks pass by. And
>> 他觉得他已经看到过好几辆移民和海关执法局的车开过去了。
Original English >> he thinks he's already seen a few ICE vehicles drive by.
### 工地风波与对承包商的看法 >> 当时我在屋顶上。所以，我一看到他们过来，我心里就发慌。是的。我很多念头在脑子里闪过，比如要是他们开始让我下来怎么办？要是呃他们再次逮捕我怎么办？要是呃他们其实并不把我带去伊莎贝尔港，而是直接把我拉到入境口岸然后就把我扔出去怎么办？我是说，脑子里会闪过很多很多事情。但是胡里奥，他是这一切的老板。所以，他把他们赶了出去，并锁上了入口大门。所以，有了这道围栏，我们感觉稍微安全了一点。那真的是非常非常吓人。是的。
Original English >> I was on the roof. So, as soon as I saw them come, I felt scared. Yes. I a lot of things went through my mind like what if they start asking me to get off? What if uh they arrest me again? What if uh they don't actually take me to Port Isabelle and they take me directly to the port of entry and they just kick me out. I mean, a lot of things go through your head. So, but Julio, he's the owner of all this. So, he kicked them out and he locked the entrances. So, we feel a little bit more safe with the fence. That was pretty pretty scary. Yes.
A其实不太理解，为什么在特朗普上任之后发生的一切会让那么多建筑商措手不及。
Original English A doesn't really get why so many builders were caught off guard by what's happened since Trump took office
>> 因为我的意思是，他确实说过他打算这么干。他确实说过。而且让我非常心烦的是，河谷地区这里的大多数承包商都投票支持了特朗普。他们当中的大多数人。胡里奥就是其中之一。
Original English >> because I mean he did say he was going to do this. He did say it. And what bothered me a lot the majority of contractors here in the valley voted for Trump. The majority of them. Hulu being one of them.
>> 你对那件事感到愤怒吗，或者说……
Original English >> Do you feel like angry about that or like
>> 我并不觉得愤怒。我只是觉得呃，有种被背叛的感觉。
Original English >> I don't feel angry. I just feel uh somewhat betrayed
因为，
Original English because
要是没有打地基的人，要是没有框架工人，要是没有盖房子的人，他们根本不可能有今天的成就。他们在那里的地位以及他们所拥有的财富，都是多亏了移民，多亏了像我们这样为他们的房屋搭建框架、用廉价劳动力干脏活累活的人。我是说，他们他们他们在维护自己的荷包。所以，我猜他们当时以为经济会变好，他们能赚更多的钱，以及诸如此类的事情，但我是说，这在他们身上产生了适得其反的后果。而现在他们跑去华盛顿去谈判，去干这个去干那个，表面上说是为人民发声。我猜他们甚至根本就不在乎人民。他们关心的就只是自己的荷包。事情就是这么回事。
Original English if it wasn't for the foundation guys, if it wasn't for the framers, if it wasn't for the guys that do the houses, they wouldn't be who they are. there and that wealth they have because of the immigrants, because of people like us that frame their homes that do the hard job with uh cheap labor. I mean, they're they're they're taking care of their pockets. So, I'm guessing they thought they were the economy was going to be better and they were going to make more money and this and that, but I mean, it backfired on them. And now they're going to Washington to talk and to do this and to do that to speak up supposedly for the people. I'm guessing they don't even care about the people. They just care about their pockets. That's what it is.
>> 你真是这么想的？
Original English >> You really feel that way?
>> 是的。
Original English >> Yes.
>> A用当前的活儿举例说明了突击行动对建筑商造成了怎样的影响。
Original English >> A used current job as an example of how the raids have affected builders.
>> 光是给这栋房子做框架，让我给你报个确切的金额。
Original English >> Just to frame this house, let me give you an exact amount.
>> 他拿出手机，快速算了一下。
Original English >> He pulls out his phone and does some quick math.
>> 我们当时身处的这栋住宅有2900平方英尺。正常情况下，A每……会收费450……
Original English >> The home we were standing in was 2900 ft. Normally A would charge450 per
每平方英尺做框架要 4.50。
Original Englishsquare foot to frame it.50.
>> 这项活儿总共是 13,500。
Original English>> That's 13,50 for the job.
>> 但现在完全没有竞争，而且他急需尽快把框架搭起来。我对他说：“嘿，我可不会收你 4.50，我要收你 5.80。”
Original English>> But right now that there's no competition and he needed this frame ASAP. And I told him, "Hey, I'm not going to charge you for 50. I'm going to charge you 580."
>> 如今他多收了将近 4,000——
Original English>> Now he's charging nearly 4,000 more
>> 这不是针对个人。
Original English>> for a It's not personal.
>> 这只是供求关系。
Original English>> It's just supply and demand.
>> 我的意思是，这就是你们投票支持的结果。我是说，你们手里已经没有框架工了。我是仅存的少数几个框架工之一，如果你想让我干，这就是我的价格。如果不行，你可以继续去找别的框架工。
Original English>> I mean, that's that's what you voted for. And I mean, you don't have any more framers. I'm one of the few framers that are left and if you want me to do it, that's my price. And if not, you could keep looking for framers.
>> 你真这么跟他说？说“这就是你们投票支持的结果”？
Original English>> Did you tell him that? That's what you voted for?
>> 对，没错。因为他说过他要对付所有移民，他说过要对付所有罪犯。而在他眼里，我们全都是罪犯。所以你早就知道他会这么干。每当我向另一个承包商提起同样的事，他们都默不作声，因为他们知道自己搞砸了。
Original English>> Yes. Yes. Cuz he said he was going to for all the immigrants. He said he was going to go for all the criminals. And for him, we're all criminals. So knew you knew he was going to do that. And whenever I tell another contractor the same thing, they stay quiet cuz they know they messed up.
>> 所以你对建商协会那种做派就只是翻翻白眼。我跟他们不是一伙的。
Original English>> So you just you just kind of roll your eyes at the kind of builders association. I'm not with them.
>> 你跟他们不是一伙的。
Original English>> You're not with them.
>> 我跟他们不是一伙的，因为正是由于他们，我的许多好朋友——框架工以及那些人——都被驱逐出境了。我是说，他们驱逐了我的许多密友。我对此有点……挺生气的，真的很生气。
Original English>> I'm not with them because because of them, a lot of good friends of mine, framers and all that got deported. I mean, they deported a lot of my my close friends. And I'm I'm kind of uh upset with it. I really am.
>> 但他也希望这一切能很快过去。
Original English>> But he also hoped it would all be over soon.
>> 下周，我将迎来最终出庭。
Original English>> And this coming week, I have my final court.
>> 他的最终开庭日即将来临，法官将裁定他是否必须离开这个国家，
Original English>> His final court day was coming up where a judge would determine if he had to leave the country,
>> 还是拿到绿卡，抑或是
Original English>> green card, or if
>> 他对自己的案子感到乐观。所以很快就会有结果了。
Original English>> and he was feeling optimistic about his case. So you'll know.
>> 是的。借着上帝的旨意，借着上帝的旨意我们能打赢这场官司。我的律师说了：“胜券在握，
Original English>> Yes. And with God's will, we're going to win the case with God's will. So my lawyer said, "It's a home run.
>> 你一定能拿到的。”
Original English>> You're going to get it."
>> 好。
Original English>> Okay.
>> 但是
Original English>> But
>> 你一点都不紧张吗？
Original English>> are you nervous at all?
>> 我紧张，是的，我很紧张。但我信靠上帝。如果他把我安排在这个国家，一定是有原因的，绝不仅仅是为了在二十四、二十五年后被驱逐出境。我知道一切都会好起来的。 A 的梦想很远大。
Original English>> I'm nervous. Yes, I'm nervous. But I'm trusting in God. If he put me in this country, it's because of something, not just to get deported 24, 25 years later. I know everything's going to be all right. A's dreams are big.
>> 我想在人生中有所建树。我也想当一名开发商，想成为一名建商，而如果他们不批给我社会安全号，我就什么都做不了，因为信用、贷款、银行贷款……办所有事情都需要社安号。所以我想尽快把它办下来，拿到社安号，开始盖这些房子。
Original English>> I want to be someone in life. I want to be a developer as well. I want to be a a builder and I can't do anything of that without them granting me my uh social security cuz for credit, for loans, for bank loans, for everything you need a social. So, I'm trying to get it over with to get my social ASAP and to start doing these homes.
>> 这件事拖了你的后腿。
Original English>> This holds you back.
>> 是的，它极大地拖了我的后腿。从小到大，我都一直想以盖房子为生。盖房子然后卖掉，就像胡利奥做的那样。打从小时候起，我就一直想做这件事。所以对此我满怀期待。 曾经有一位建商对我说，河谷区到处都是榜样。他们的姓氏不是史密斯或约翰逊，而是加西亚、坎图或者卡兰萨，就像胡利奥一样。 我就 A 说的话去问了胡利奥。他说情况很复杂。是的，他在乎工人们，但 A 说得没错。
Original English>> Yes. It's holding me back a lot. And since I was small, I've I've always wanted to build homes for a living. Build them and sell them just like Julie does. That's what I've been wanting to do since ever I was since I was small. So, I'm looking forward to that. A builder once told me that the valley has role models everywhere. And their last names aren't Smith or Johnson. Their last names are Garcia or Cantou or Kuransza, like Julio. I asked Julio about what A said. He said it was complicated. Yes, he cared for the workers, but A was right.
### 南德州建商协会的对策 >> 如果不是影响到了我的钱包，我真的不会去拿它做文章。你知道的，
Original English>> If it wasn't affecting my wallet, I I really wouldn't make any issue about it. You know,
>> 如果这没有影响到他的经济利益，他是不会做这些事的。
Original English>> he wouldn't be doing any of this if it didn't affect him financially.
>> 但如果说这完全只关乎我的生计，也不尽然，这确实有一定关系。两者皆有。
Original English>> But if it's not strictly just about my livelihood, yes, that has something to do with it. It's both.
>> 是的。你知道，
Original English>> Yeah. You know,
>> 我问过南德州建商协会董事会成员罗尼·卡瓦索斯，关于 A 所说的“要是没有像他这样的移民劳工，建商们谁也不会有今天的成就”这一评估。
Original English>> I asked SDBA board member Ronnie Kavasos about A's assessment that none of the builders would be who they are without immigrant laborers like him.
>> 我不知道他为什么觉得我们不感激这一点。我是说，我了解我自己，我知道我的内心，我一直用的言辞明确就是为了替我们的移民挺身而出。他自己就是一名框架工的儿子。他说河谷区如果没有像 A 这样的工人，谁也不会有今天的成就。
Original English>> Um I don't know why he thinks we don't appreciate that. I I mean I I know me and I know my heart and the words that I've been using are specifically to to stand up for our immigrants. a son of a framer himself. He said no one in the valley would be who they are without workers like a
>> 我想对这位框架工说的是，以南德州建商协会主席的身份，我认为你是一位巨人。是的。
Original English>> what I would tell this framer is that you know from the chairman of STBA, I consider you a giant. Yeah.
>> 南德州建商协会的许多建商都向我透露，他们打算在本周的中期选举中改变自己的投票意向。
Original English>> Many builders at the STBA have signal to me that they're going to change their vote in the midterm elections this week.
>> 是的，
Original English>> Yes,
>> 这改变了我这次的投票方式。我将戴着移民诉求和钱袋子这两顶帽子去投票，对吧？
Original English>> it's changed the way I'm going to vote this time around. and I'm going to vote with my immigration hat on and uh money hat on, right?
>> 但他们也在采取其他行动。
Original English>> But they're taking action in other ways, too.
>> 我已经倾尽所能去寻求和寻找帮助。结果我只能想：“好吧，我得自己动手了。我要亲自处理这件事，想办法创办一所学校，这样我们就能保住南德州的劳动力。”南德州建商协会正在创办一所学校，向美国人传授受突击搜捕影响最严重的工种技能。
Original English>> I've done everything that I could to look for and search for help. And in result, I just was like, "All right, I got to do this myself. I'm going to take matters into my own hands and I'm going to figure out how I can start a school so that we can save our workforce in South Texas." The STBA is starting a school to teach Americans the trades most affected by the raids.
>> 课程将按季度开设，以便让工人们尽快进入劳动力市场。
Original English>> Classes will be quarterly to get workers out into the workforce as soon as possible.
>> 董事会希望就在这个月开课。
Original English>> And they'll begin, the board hopes, this month.
>> 我知道有些人会觉得：“哥们儿，这也太快了。”我就说：“兄弟，我们没时间了。我们必须赶紧向劳动力市场输送劳力。兄弟，我们真没时间了。” 首期计划招收 28 名学员，马里奥清楚这是杯水车薪，但至少聊胜于无。
Original English>> And I know it's like some people are like, "Dude, that's super fast." And I'm like, "Bro, we don't have time. Like, we need to start putting labor out into the workforce. We don't have time, bro." With a planned starting class of 28 students, Mario knows it's a drop in the bucket, but at least it's something.
>> 所以我们只是想开辟一条途径，让大家知道，是的，这些手艺活儿很辛苦。在太阳底下给房子搭框架确实不容易。在漆黑的洗手间里铺淋浴瓷砖确实不容易。这并不容易，也没有人说过这会容易。但你知道吗？你不会背上债务。就算你决定退学，宝贝，你也不会背上债务。你懂我的意思吧？你不会欠债，而且你能自己当老板。我们将培养出一些最优秀的框架工、最优秀的混凝土工、最优秀的木工。他们将从我们的学校走出来，你们走着瞧吧。
Original English>> So, we're just trying to create a pathway to let people know that, hey, yes, these trades are hard. And yes, it's not easy to be out in the sun framing houses. It's not easy to be in a dark restroom laying, you know, shower tile. It's not easy. And nobody said it would be. But you know what? You won't be in debt. You won't be in debt if you decide to drop out, baby. You know what I mean? You won't be in debt. And you'll be your own boss. We are going to create some of the best framers, some of the best concrete workers, some of the best carpenters. They're going to come out of our school. You're going to see that.
>> 怎么啦，伊斯雷尔？
Original English>> What's up, Israel?
>> 在过去的几周里，他们一直在布置教室。
Original English>> In the past couple of weeks, they've been setting up the classroom.
>> 弟兄们给我多带了几件工具，不过
Original English>> Boys got me a couple extra tools, but
>> 整理给学员用的工具，并把车间工作台拖进去。 我觉得那个放不进那里。
Original English>> organizing tools for students and dragging the shop tables in. I don't think we're going to fit that one in there.
>> 嗯，也许这个可以直接正着放进去。
Original English>> Well, maybe this one will fit straight in.
>> 我们有一扇双开门。
Original English>> We have a double door.
>> 即使马里奥知道这还远远不够，他也宁愿做点什么，而不是像华盛顿那样：对河谷区的现实视而不见，彻底摧毁一个有着数十年历史的体系，却不作任何替代尝试。
Original English>> Even if Mario knows it's not going to be enough, he'd rather do something than what Washington's done. Ignore the realities in the valley and destroy a decades old system without any attempt to replace it.
>> 这种情况永远都会存在。我们就是墨西哥，唯一的区别就在于墨西哥与美国那条假想的分界线之间隔着一条小小的河流。而我们政府里的人却一直没能制定出规则，来为人们进入这个国家确立正规途径。如果我们是美利坚合众国，一个给予人们白手起家机会的国家，我们就应该尊重这一点，保护这一点，并给予他们工作的机会。
Original English>> It's always going to be here. We are Mexico. The only difference is is that there's a small tiny river between the imaginary line of Mexico and the United States. And we have people in our government that have not been able to set rules to establish a proper way of people coming into this country. And if we are the United States of America where we give people the opportunity to be something out of nothing, we should honor that and we should protect it and give them the opportunity to work.
### 马里奥的奔波与听证结果 >> 所以这段时间，马里奥就像我第一次给他打电话那天一样忙碌，甚至更忙了。
Original English>> So these days, Mario is just as busy as the day I first called him, if not more so.
>> 他在河谷区东奔西跑。
Original English>> He runs around the valley.
>> 好吧，我准备要盖这一栋了
Original English>> Well, I'm about to build this one
>> 管理新项目，出席建商集会。
Original English>> managing new projects. attending builder functions.
>> 来吧，兄弟，咱们安排一顿超带劲的商务午餐。
Original English>> Let's do it, bro. Let's set up a badass power lunch.
>> 政治集会。
Original English>> Political rallies.
>> 喂。
Original English>> Hello.
>> 嘿，特莱里科会去吗？
Original English>> Hey, Telerico will be there or what?
>> 去啊。
Original English>> Yeah.
>> 你现在就去吗？
Original English>> Are you going right now?
>> 对。
Original English>> Yeah.
>> 那我们在那儿见，拜。
Original English>> I'll see you there. Bye.
>> 选民登记集会。
Original English>> Voter registration gatherings.
>> 你的声音和你的选票都很重要。
Original English>> Voice and your vote matter.
>> 握手，合影。
Original English>> Shaking hands, taking photos.
>> 兄弟，最近怎么样？
Original English>> Dude, how you doing?
>> 我挺好的。
Original English>> I've been doing good.
>> 见到你真高兴。
Original English>> Good to see you.
>> 我想找你是因为
Original English>> I wanted to catch you because
>> 你在这儿买什么？
Original English>> What are you getting here?
>> 你想走吗？
Original English>> Do you want to go?
>> 想啊。
Original English>> Yeah.
>> 走吧。他还不知怎么挤出时间顺道去了一趟他最喜欢的墨西哥超市，
Original English>> Come on. and somehow finds time to swing into his favorite Mexican market
>> 买黄瓜和玉米饼，去他妈妈家吃午饭。
Original English>> to pick up cucumbers and tortillas to have lunch at his mom's.
>> 走吧。
Original English>> Let's go.
>> 他正在将南德州建商协会扩展到全州范围。我们创造就业机会，我们为年轻家庭盖房子。
Original English>> He's expanding the STBA statewide. We create jobs. We build homes for young families.
>> 整个夏天他又组织了一场建商集会，公开质问政界人士。
Original English>> He held another rally of builders over the summer, calling out politicians.
>> 我们的民选官员都在哪里？
Original English>> Where are our elected officials?
>> 看着他，胡利奥关于唤醒猛虎的预感似乎成了真。作为社区，我们必须开始做出更好的选择。
Original English>> And watching him, it seemed Julio's premonition about waking a tiger had come true. We need to start making better choices as a community.
>> 马里奥正考虑有朝一日竞选公职。
Original English>> Mario's thinking of running for political office one day.
>> 我想把这一点讲清楚。
Original English>> I want to make that clear.
>> 哦，
Original English>> Oh,
>> 嘿，你能告诉我发生了什么吗？
Original English>> hey, can you tell me what happened?
>> 就是说，我被拒了。呃，就我和法官两个人。从严格意义上讲，检察官一句话都没说，他甚至还开口为我辩护。所以他只是……我不知道，法官他……他说我只能被驱逐出境。
Original English>> I mean, I got I got denied. Uh, it was me against the judge. Technically, the prosecutor didn't say a word. He he even spoke up to defend me. So he just I don't know the judge. He he he said I was just going to get deported.
>> 这场原本被认为是胜券在握、A 确信自己能拿到绿卡的案子，并未如他所愿。他的妻子一直在法庭外守候，焦急地想听到
Original English>> The case that was supposed to be a home run where a was sure he would get his green card. He didn't go his way. His wife was waiting outside the courtroom eager to hear the
消息。
Original English news.
>> 她当时在笑。她问，我们赢了吗？赢了吗？我告诉她没有。紧接着，她就哭了起来。她质问我的律师，为什么……他们甚至都不知道该说什么，因为所有的证据都摆在那里。
Original English >> She was smiling. She said we did did we win? And I told her no. And automatically she started crying. She questioned the my lawyer why uh and they they didn't even know what to say cuz everything was there.
>> A 说他们正在对他的案件提起上诉，但这可能需要数年时间。
Original English >> A says they're appealing his case, but that could take years.
>> 问题在于，当人们提起上诉时，他们会把人关押起来。
Original English >> The thing is when people appeal, they lock them up.
>> 而在此期间，
Original English >> And in the meantime,
>> 如果 A 再次被移民及海关执法局（ICE）逮捕，他担心自己会被驱逐出境。
Original English >> if A is arrested again by ICE, he fears he will be deported.
>> 有这种可能性。所以我会尽量不让自己被关押，对吧？我很害怕。我觉得……我觉得很担忧。我不知道。我们是好人。我们做事循规蹈矩。我们为州警建过房子。我们为很多政府工作人员建过房子。我的意思是，我认为这不对。我不知道他们是怎么看待这件事的，但就我个人而言，我认为这是不公平的对待。
Original English >> That's a possibility. So I'mma I'mma try not to get locked up, right? So well, I'm scared. Uh, I I feel uh I feel worried. I don't know. It's We're good people. We're doing things the right way. We've built houses for state troopers. We've built houses for for a lot of people of the government. And I mean, I don't think it's right. I don't know how they see it, but me personally, I don't think that's that's a fair treatment.
因此，A 能感觉到自己周围的世界正变得越来越狭窄。 他的大女儿最近一直要求去圣安东尼奥动物园（San Antonio Zoo）。那里离这里有3小时车程。
Original English So A can feel the world around him getting even smaller. His oldest daughter has been asking to go to the San Antonio Zoo lately. It's a 3-hour drive away.
>> 你开车进去，可以触摸那些动物，它们会走到你身边，你可以喂它们。她一直想去。她每个周末都跟我提。
Original English >> You drive in and you could touch the animals and they walk up to you and you feed them. And she's been wanting to. She's she tells me every every weekend
>> 但他不能带她去。那个地方在检查站外。
Original English >> but he can't take her. It's past the checkpoint.
>> 我向她解释，我告诉她我不是这里的人，她说为什么？我告诉她，我说：“因为我不是这里的人，宝贝。我来自墨西哥，严格来说我正在触犯法律。”我对她说：“宝贝，因为如果我去了，而他们决定要逮捕我，他们就会抓我。他们会把我关起来，你就会有好几个月见不到我。而这一次时间会更长，也许甚至是一年，宝贝。”“好的，爸爸。那我不想去了。我只想让你在这里陪着我。”就像这样。
Original English >> I explained to her I told her that I'm not from here and she said why? And I told her, I'm like, "It's because I'm not from here, baby. I'm from Mexico and technically I'm breaking the law." And I tell her, "Baby, it's because if I go and they decide they want to arrest me, they will. And they'll lock me up and I won't see you again for a couple months. And this time it's going to be longer, maybe even a year, baby." Okay, pap. Then I don't want to go anymore. Then I just want to have you here with me. Like, okay.
>> 相反，他每天继续去工地上班。他知道，如果移民及海关执法局的人再次出现，为了信守对女儿的承诺，为了确保自己能陪伴在家人身边，这一次，他肯定会逃跑。
Original English >> Instead, he keeps going to work every day at a job site. And he knows if Ice comes again to keep his promise to his daughter, to make sure he can be there for his family, this time for certain, he will run.
### 新闻简报 《时报》（the Times）周末结束的最新民调显示，得克萨斯州的拉美裔选民在周二有望出现历史性的大幅转向。在2024年总统大选中，得州的拉美裔选民在特朗普总统和卡玛拉·哈里斯（Kla Harris）之间的投票平分秋色。仅仅两年后，民调显示，拉美裔选民对该州民主党参议员候选人詹姆斯·塔拉里科（James Telerico）的支持率，比其共和党竞争对手肯·帕克斯顿（Ken Paxton）高出了近40个百分点。 我们马上回来。
Original English The latest polling from the Times, which concluded over the weekend, shows that the Latino vote in Texas is poised for a historically large shift on Tuesday. In the 2024 presidential election, Latino voters in Texas split their votes evenly between President Trump and Kla Harris. Just 2 years later, the polling found Latino voters favor the state's Democratic candidate for Senate, James Telerico, over his Republican rival, Ken Paxton, by nearly 40 points. We'll be right back.
以下是您今天还需要了解的其他要闻。
Original English Here's what else you need to know today.
>> 我今天宣布支持迈克·罗杰斯（Mike Rogers）竞选联邦参议员。我不属于阿卜杜勒（Abdul）的竞选阵营。
Original English >> I am endorsing Mike Rogers for the United States Senate today. Uh, I don't belong in Abdul's campaign.
>> 在一次令人震惊的最后时刻的公然抵制中，在密歇根州联邦参议员民主党初选中输给阿卜杜勒·赛义德（Abdul Elsied）的众议员海莉·史蒂文斯（Haley Stevens），在周日转而公开支持赛义德的共和党对手。她对迈克·罗杰斯的支持，此前史蒂文斯与赛义德因在以色列问题上的不同主张而紧张关系加剧了数日。民主党领袖对这一背书反应强烈。民主党参议院领袖查克·舒默（Chuck Schumer）称其为“卑劣的背叛”。 我要问你们两位，听着，她做出决定前有没有通知你们其中任何一位？有还是
Original English >> In a stunning lastminute snub, Congresswoman Haley Stevens, who lost the Democratic primary race for US Senate in Michigan to Abdul Elsied, endorsed Elsied's Republican opponent on Sunday. Her endorsement of Mike Rogers followed days of growing tension between Stevens and Elsed over their differing approaches to Israel. Democratic leaders reacted to the endorsement with fury. Democratic Senate leader Chuck Schumer called it quote a despicable betrayal. I'm going to tell you guys listen notify either one of you of her decision. Yes or
>> 没有。这些都不重要。
Original English >> no. None of this matters.
>> 但就赛义德而言，他在一场竞选活动中对这一背书不屑一顾。
Original English >> But for his part, Elsad shrugged off the endorsement at a campaign stop.
>> 我感觉你们今天大家都在这里，是因为一个现在不在这里的人所做的决定。我说的对吗？
Original English >> So I have a a sense that you all are here today because of the decisions of uh somebody who's not here right now. Am I right about that?
>> 但我只想告诉你们，这是一个拥有1000万人口的州，他们理应从政府那里获得更好的待遇。
Original English >> But I'm just going to tell you this is a state of 10 million people who deserve a lot better from the government.
>> 我更加关注的是那不在你们讨论范围内的9,999,998个人。好了。
Original English >> I'm a lot more focused on the 9,999,998 that are not the ones you guys are talking about. Okay.
本期节目由林赛·加里森（Lindseay Garrison）在卡洛斯·普列托（Carlos Prito）的协助下报道和制作。由迈克尔·伯努瓦（Michael Benois）在佩奇·考厄特（Paige Cowat）和帕特里夏·威伦斯（Patricia Willins）的协助下编辑。由苏珊·李（Susan Lee）和安德烈娅·洛佩斯·克鲁萨多（Andrea Lopez Crusado）核实事实。包含玛丽·洛扎诺（Mary Lozano）、帕特·麦卡斯克（Pat McCusker）、丹·鲍威尔（Dan Powell）、艾丽西亚·鲍伯（Alicia Baub）、索菲亚·兰曼（Sophia Lanman）和切尔西·丹尼尔（Chelsea Daniel）创作的音乐。音频工程由克里斯·伍德（Chris Wood）完成。我们的主题音乐由 Wonderly 创作。 以上就是今天的《每日新闻》（The Daily）。我是迈克尔·巴巴罗（Michael Bubaro）。 明天见。
Original English Today's episode was reported and produced by Lindseay Garrison with help from Carlos Prito. It was edited by Michael Benois with help from Paige Cowat and Patricia Willins. Fact checked by Susan Lee and Andrea Lopez Crusado. Contains music by Mary Lozano, Pat McCusker, Dan Powell, Alicia Baub, Sophia Lanman, and Chelsea Daniel. And was engineered by Chris Wood. Our theme music is by Wonderly. That's it for the daily. I'm Michael Bubaro. See you tomorrow.