--- author: The Diary Of A CEO date: '2026-09-24' guest: '' layout: post.njk source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhzI1fg8rCA speaker: The Diary Of A CEO tags: - personal-growth - career-development - motivation-philosophy - resilience-story title: 从逆境到喜剧巨星：一位创作者的成长轨迹与追求卓越的哲学 summary: 文章讲述了一位创作者从经历困境后，通过喜剧寻求治愈和自我实现，最终通过坚持不懈的努力，在音乐录影带、短剧等领域实现突破。核心主题探讨了如何从个人困境中汲取灵感，确立追求第一的决心，以及在追求卓越过程中对自身成长和人性的深刻反思。 insight: '' draft: true series: '' category: psychology area: society-thinking project: [] people: [] companies_orgs: [] products_models: [] media_books: [] status: evergreen --- ### 开篇预告：生死关头与喜剧的救赎 **特鲁斯基**：我身边一起长大的很多朋友，要么进了监狱，要么死于非命，横尸街头。所以，我也一度失足走上歧途，干起了违法的事。但真正的转折点，是我们遭遇持枪抢劫的那一刻——当时一把枪直接顶在了我的头上。当我看清正对着我的黑洞洞的枪口时，就在那一瞬间我猛然醒悟：好，如果今天我能活着走出去，我一定要成为一名喜剧演员，至死方休。我的喜剧灵感，正是源于那种寻求治愈的心理，源于想让我们家的处境变好一些的愿望。比如有一次，我眼睁睁看着我弟弟因为尿床而挨打，那种场面太揪心了。所以我总会试着插科打诨介入进去，想成为他的情绪缓冲带；对我妈妈也是如此。我知道自己骨子里很有幽默感，非常擅长逗人开心，但直到上了大学我才真正意识到这一点。我开始琢磨并发现：天呐，所有我崇拜敬仰的人，全都是喜剧界的泰斗传奇，我对他们产生的精神共鸣，比我这辈子体会过的任何事物都要强烈。这就是我的使命。于是，我退学了。我回到家里，在一张纸上写下了所有目标。这一次我破釜沉舟，彻底锁定了这个方向，我没有任何退路。我当时坐在一间连床垫都没有的空屋子里，车子也因为断供被拖走没收了，我甚至把这事拍成了一个视频素材。但我什么都不怕了，因为我想着自己已经一无所有。但我心里清楚得很，我对自己说：我要一直走下去，我要继续坚持追梦，继续拍视频，接连不断地拍。随后，彻底改变我人生命运的时刻来了——Drake 打来电话，邀请我出演《Laugh Now Cry Later》的音乐录影带。从那以后，一切都发生了翻天覆地的转变。
Original English **Trusky**: A lot of my friends that I grew up with were going to jail or ended up dead or shot in the streets. So, I fell victim to doing illegal stuff. But it was the moment that we got arm robbed where I have a gun to my head now. And once I saw the barrel of that gun being pointed at me, that was the moment I noticed, okay, if I survive this, I'm going to become a comedian or die trying. My comedy comes from that place of a healing, wanting to make our situation better at home. Like one time I watched my brother get beat for wetting the bed. It was a lot. So I would always try to step in to try to be like a coping mechanism for him. Maybe it's my mom. So I knew I was funny. I knew I was very entertaining. But it didn't hit me until like college. And I started to figure out, okay, wow, all the people I look up to are all like comedic legends and I feel more connected to them than anything I've ever felt in my life. That is my purpose. So, I left college. I went home. I wrote all these goals down on the sheet of paper. Now, I'm locked in. I have no other option. I'm sitting here in a room, no mattress. My car got repossessed. I actually made that like a content piece. But I feared nothing because I'm like, I have nothing left. But I knew I'm like, I'm going to keep going. I'm going to continue to keep pursuing, making videos. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And then the thing that changed my life was Drake calling for the laugh now cry later music video. Everything shifted after that.
**主持人**：太有意思了。我之前听过这样一个离谱的传闻，说他们不小心把给金·凯瑞的片酬错打到你账上了。
Original English **Host**: Interesting. I had this crazy story that they accidentally sent you Jim K's money.
**特鲁斯基**：不是打钱，是他们不小心发过来一封邮件，里面列出了他按小时计费的片酬是多少。
Original English **Trusky**: No, that they sent an email showing how much he would be getting paid for that hour.
**主持人**：大家都说那个数字简直高得吓人。
Original English **Host**: People are saying it was in the region of insane.
**特鲁斯基**：我只希望他没看到我拿了多少，不然对比之下可就太让人尴尬了。
Original English **Trusky**: I hope he didn't see mine cuz that would have been a little bit embarrassing.
**主持人**：然后到了三月份，你拍了一个搞笑小短剧，获得了数亿次的播放量，随后似乎传出特朗普扬言要起诉你。
Original English **Host**: And then in March, you did a skip and it did hundreds of millions of views and then it sounded like Trump did ask to sue you.
**特鲁斯基**：我都不知道这是不是真的。我可不想被任何人起诉，我也一点都不希望惹上这种官司。
Original English **Trusky**: I don't know if that's true. I'm not looking to get sued by nobody. I'm not looking forward to
**主持人**：他到底是在说谁呢？
Original English **Host**: Who is he talking about?
### 探寻异类成长史：童年镜头下的原生家庭 **主持人**：在正式进入本期节目之前，我想请大家帮个小忙。两个月前，观看这个频道的人中有 61% 没有订阅。现在这个比例已经降到了 58%，而我的目标是降到 50%。所以，如果你喜欢过我们频道制作的任何一期视频，或者喜欢这个频道，能否帮我一个小忙，随手点击一下订阅按钮？这对频道的帮助超出你的想象；频道的规模越大，我们就能在嘉宾阵容和内容制作上投入越多的心血。非常感谢，也希望大家尽情享受本期节目。 特鲁斯基，我一直坚信，要想真正读懂一个人——尤其是像你这样打破常规的“异类”，而且你确实非常与众不同——首先必须去探寻他最早期的成长底色。所以我翻看了你很多小时候的老照片，试图在自己的脑海中梳理和构建出那个最初的背景拼图。
Original English **Host**: Uh before this episode starts, I have a small favor to ask you. Two months ago, 61% of the people that watch this channel weren't subscribed. We're now down to 58%. My goal is 50%. So, if you've ever liked any of the videos we've made on this channel, if you like this channel, can you do me a small quick favor and hit the subscribe button? It helps this channel more than you know, and the bigger the channel gets, the more we can invest in the guests and the production. Thank you and enjoy this episode. Trusky, I I really believe that to understand somebody somebody who is an anomaly, and you very much are an anomaly, you first have to sort of understand their earliest context. And I went through all of these old photos of you as a as a young boy. Um to try and build some of that context in my in my own head. Um
**特鲁斯基**：没问题。
Original English **Trusky**: Sure.
**主持人**：关于你那段最早期的成长环境，有什么是大多数人可能不知道、但对塑造今天的你却最具有决定性意义的？时光流转，那些经历中沉淀保留下来的核心究竟是什么？
Original English **Host**: What is it that most people might not know about that earliest context that's most informative to sort of who you are today? What remains?
**特鲁斯基**：看到这些照片，我真的觉得自己内心依然是里面的那个小男孩。看着这些瞬间，它勾起了我的回忆，让我想起小时候的我能有多么无拘无束、自由自在。当时我有好多的憧憬和渴望。我的母亲和外祖父母，他们一直非常支持我，鼓励我敞开心扉、自由释放这种天性。等等，那张照片里的是谁？
Original English **Trusky**: I still literally feel like this little boy in all these pictures. It's like I see these moments and it reminds me of how free I was able to be as a kid. And I wanted to be so much. And my mom and my grandparents, they always supported me being just open and free and having this. What is that right there?
**主持人**：那是你父亲和你弟弟。
Original English **Host**: That was uh your dad and your brother.
**特鲁斯基**：噢，对，没错，这里确实是我爸爸和我弟弟。即使现在回看这些照片，在那个时期我压根想不到自己未来会成长为什么样的人。这太酷了。顺便问一句，你到底是从哪儿弄到这些照片的？你在哪儿翻出来的？肯定是我妈发给你的吧。
Original English **Trusky**: Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. My dad and my brother right here for sure. Even looking at these pictures, I had no idea around this time who I was going to become. This is this is dope. How did you get these pictures by the way? Where did you find all this? till my mom send you these.
**主持人**：我其实仔细翻看了你父母在那段时间为你录制的一些家庭录像。
Original English **Host**: I was looking through some of the the videos that your parents recorded of you at that time.
**家庭录像原声**：你就像是……这很难。“你还有关于我的其他问题吗？”“关于你的老师，还有你在学校表现怎么样？”“非常好。塑造……我只是……”
Original English **Childhood Video**: And you've got like it's hard. Do you have any more questions about me? About your teacher and how you doing at school? Great. build. I was just
**特鲁斯基**：那录像里正是我在演角色呢，百分之百是在扮演特定人物。
Original English **Trusky**: That's me in character right there. That's literally in character.
**特鲁斯基**：所以我妈妈当年会架起这些手持摄像机，让我无拘无束地表演。那成了我宣泄情感、挥洒天性的出口，让我能够去塑造这些搞怪角色，尽情展现最真实的自我，你懂那种感觉吗？
Original English **Trusky**: So, she would put on these these camcorders to let me be free. So, that was like my outlet to be able to do these characters and and and be myself, you know?
**特鲁斯基**：是的，没错，我有好多这样的录像。我猜你手头上可能还有更多。甚至有一段是我穿着尿布在镜头前唱说唱，那又是另一段狂野搞笑的回忆。
Original English **Trusky**: Yeah. Yeah. I have multiple videos. I know you probably got more. There's one of me in a in a diaper like rapping. That's another crazy
**家庭录像原声**：“我当时在教堂，这是上周的事。”
Original English **Childhood Video**: I was in church. This was last week.
**特鲁斯基**：对，旁边那是我的表妹布里。
Original English **Trusky**: Yeah, that's my cousin Bri.
**主持人**：我的天呐。
Original English **Host**: Oh my god.
**主持人**：你当时是怎么想出那些词和段子的？
Original English **Host**: What did you come up with? Those those balls.
**特鲁斯基**：其实没有刻意想什么，那就是“Could Have Been Records”的雏形，对吧？那些瞬间，我们总会在家人面前即兴表演。我真的特别感激我们能够做最真实的自己，也感激自己能在某个角落获得包容与支持；因为在那种家庭环境中，孩子确实很容易陷入迷茫困惑。看你的神情，你好像对这个话题很有感触、有话要说。
Original English **Trusky**: Nah, it just that's the beginning of Could have been records, right? Nah, th those are the moments, you know, we used to put on these performances for my family and I'm just grateful that we were able to be ourselves and and and I was able to be supported somewhere because you do get confused in these settings, sort of to say, you know, you look like you have something to say to that.
### 幽默作为生存工具：严苛的家教与破碎的家庭 **主持人**：确实如此。我采访过许许多多的喜剧演员，我常常发现一个共同特征：幽默对他们而言往往是一种防御或解决问题的“工具”。比如我和吉米·卡尔以及其他几位受访的喜剧演员交流时，他们总能清晰地洞察到，在自己早期的成长环境中，他们是如何借助喜剧这个工具来化解当时面临的现实困境的。我记得吉米曾对我说过：“人们总以为喜剧演员大多患有抑郁症，但事实上对他而言，幽默是他用来帮助抑郁的母亲的一种手段，那是他能看到母亲展露笑颜的唯一方式。”
Original English **Host**: You know, I've interviewed a lot of comedians and one of the things that I tend to find is that comedy is some sort of like tool. And when I spoke to Jimmy Carr or some of these other comedians that I've interviewed, they're always able to sort of understand in that early context how they were using that tool to often solve a problem that they had in that context. So I remember Jimmy saying to me, he goes, "You often think of comedians as being depressed, but actually for him it was a case of comedy was a way to help his mom who was depressed. It was like how he saw her smile."
**特鲁斯基**：确实如此。
Original English **Trusky**: Yes.
**主持人**：在那个年纪，喜剧对你来说也是这样一种工具吗？
Original English **Host**: Was comedy for you at that age at tool?
**特鲁斯基**：太是了，绝对是这样。我经常会聊起我父亲，因为在那段时期，他是一个性格非常硬派、极难相处的人。他极度渴望我们早早把未来的人生方向给琢磨明白，我爸就是那个不断向我们灌输这种危机感的核心人物。我妈偶尔也会这样，但她更多时候总是在劝他放松点，说：“行了，他还只是个小孩子。”那时候我大概才八九岁大，但我爸就会逼问我：“你到底想干什么？赶快想明白！你将来要么进监狱，要么赶紧学门手艺，要么就落得去仓库打苦工的下场。你必须想清楚自己要干嘛，再不然你就滚去当兵，让人把你的屁股打烂！”在他眼里，人生就只有这三条绝路可选。
Original English **Trusky**: Very much so. Very much so. I I and I speak about my dad cuz he was one of those tough guys to deal with around that time. He wanted us to figure it out early and like my dad was like the lead person of pushing that narrative. My mom somewhat would do it but she would always try to tell him relax. It's you know he's still he's still a kid like he's I'm at the time like 8 n years old and my dad was like what do you want to do? Figure it out. You're either going to go to jail, you find a a craft or or you're going to end up in a warehouse or something. You got to figure out um whatever you're going to do, or you go to the military, get your ass blown off. And that was the only three options.
**主持人**：他原话真说了“让人把你的屁股打烂”。
Original English **Host**: He said, "Get your ass."
**特鲁斯基**：是的。所以想象一下，我当时才八九岁大，面前摆着的就只有这三个选项：好好上学、去学门蓝领手艺，或者去参军把命丢在战场上——因为他嘴里总念叨着我们要重新打仗了。“我们马上又要打仗了！”我当时心里直犯嘀咕：“搞什么鬼，我们真的要去打仗了吗？”所以从很小的时候起，他就死死逼着我，让我必须找到一条出路。他的出发点和道理固然有可取之处，但他管教孩子的方式却异常严厉粗暴，甚至充满了肢体暴力。你知道，他是那种极度老派的人，相信你也听过类似的家庭模式，他的教育理念和手段非常传统且粗线条。 他的脾气极度暴躁易怒。他以前总喜欢冷不丁问一些设问句来考我们，比如他会命令说：“去给我拿把十字螺丝刀来。”我跑过去拿了把普通的一字螺丝刀，他一看就吼道：“这他妈根本不是十字螺丝刀！”抬手就是一记耳光扇在脑袋上。接着轮到我弟弟，他命令我弟说：“你去给我拿把十字螺丝刀来。”我弟弟居然跑过去拿了把铁锤过来，蠢得离谱对吧？他走回来，父亲也是“啪”的一巴掌直接扇在他头上。这就是他当时最立竿见影的“教学方式”，当然，这绝对不是什么良性的教育方式。
Original English **Trusky**: Yes. So, imagine me at like 8, nine years old. Those are my three options. Is school, find a trade, or you go to the military, get your ass blown off, cuz we're going back to war. He was always talking about we're going back to war. are we going back to war? And I'm like, what the Are we going to war? Like, so, so early on, he pushed that he wanted me to figure it out. And he had great lessons, but his teaching skills was was very tough and physical. You know, he's old school. I'm sure you heard it before. He's very old school about his teachings and how he goes about doing it. So, he has a short temper. Immediately he asked he used to ask these rhetorical questions all the time of like he'll be like go get me a Phillips screwdriver and I'll go get a regular screwdriver. He's like this is not a Phillips screwdriver. Bam. Upside the head. Then my brother goes he's like I want you to go get me a Phillips screwdriver. My brother goes and get a hammer. The dumbest right and he would come back and bam upside the head. So that was like the immediate of teaching. It's not the best way of teaching.
**主持人**：所以从很小的时候，你就意识到了……
Original English **Host**: And from an early age, I learned that
**特鲁斯基**：通过跟其他人的父亲和家长交流接触，我才慢慢明白，这种管教方式在正常家庭里根本不是普遍现象。
Original English **Trusky**: speaking to other people's fathers and parents, I learned that this is not a normal thing.
**特鲁斯基**：在去参加社区邻里聚会之类的活动之前，我完全不知道别人家不是这样的。在聚会上，我爸可能会当着大家的面说：“哟，看，这俩是我的好儿子。”说着他就把手伸过来，而我和我弟会条件反射般地猛一缩脖子躲闪——因为在他身边，只要我们哪句话说错了，他随时都会扬手打人，这已经成了我们刻进骨子里的本能反应。所以，我不能说我的喜剧天赋完全源于这些遭遇，但它绝对脱胎于一种寻求心理疗愈的本能，源于想要改善家里压抑气氛的渴望。我们家并不是那种揭不开锅的赤贫家庭。我不会否认我们是一个残缺破碎的家庭——我们确实是一个充满创伤的破碎家庭，但我们在经济上并不是一贫如洗。
Original English **Trusky**: And I didn't know that until we would go to like neighborhood parties and stuff and maybe my dad would be like, "Oh, these my boys right here." He'll reach out his hand and we'll flinch like that because it became a a normal thing for him to always lift up his hand like if we said the wrong thing. So, I wouldn't say that my comedy necessarily came from that, but it definitely came from like a healing, wanting to make our situation better at home. It's not like we we don't come from a like a broke home. I ain't going to say we wasn't a broken We were a broken home. We weren't a broke home.
**特鲁斯基**：在我整个童年和青少年时期，我父亲一直都是美国联合航空公司（United Airlines）的民航客机飞行员。呃……
Original English **Trusky**: My dad was a airline pilot for United Airlines for entirely my whole younger life. Um,
### 用幽默作为创伤的解药 **嘉宾**：我母亲在疾控中心（CDC）工作。他们俩的工作都非常不错。嗯，我母亲总是在家，而我父亲则经常要在外面四处奔波出差。但我认为，作为一个孩子，我当时一心想做的事以及我天生的性格，就是让整个家庭展露笑容。无论我们当时经历着怎样的艰难处境，哪怕那些所谓的教育管束有时走得太极端，或者那顿暴打实在下手太重——那确实打得太过了，我在这里不打算深究具体细节，但家里有些人动起手来确实极端得失控。但是，是的，我觉得我的喜剧天赋正是源于那种境遇。我的幽默从不向下踩踏。我喜欢在生活中发掘好玩的一面，但同时也去寻找幽默中美好的一面，在我的喜剧风格里，绝不去死盯着消极悲观的阴暗面。我能够在一个糟糕负面的处境中，为双方——无论是对我自己还是对别人——都挖掘出化解一切的笑料。
Original English **Guest**: My mom worked for the CDC. Very two good jobs. Um, my mom was always home. My dad would travel in and out. But I think what I wanted to do and my personality as a kid was always to make the family smile. No matter through all this stuff that we're going through and these teachings being too far sometimes or maybe this ass whooping was too much, the ass whooping went too far because I don't got I'm not going to get into details on here, but we had some ass whoopers in the house that went too far. Um, but yeah, I think I I I feel like my comedy comes from that place of I never tend to punch down. I like to find the funny but also the good side of funny and not look at the negative for my type of comedy. I can find a negative situation and bring the funny out of it for both sides, me and the other person.
**史蒂夫**：这么说来，作为一个敏感早慧的孩子，你当时的神经时刻都是紧绷着的吧。肯定是这样。
Original English **Steve**: So, I I guess as a child, very perceptive children, you you're you're on edge a little bit then. For sure.
**史蒂夫**：这很有意思，因为我记得曾和加博尔·马泰（Gabor Maté）促膝长谈过，他告诉我，那些童年早期处于必须时刻保持警觉环境中的孩子……
Original English **Steve**: And it's funny cuz I remember sitting with Gab Mate and him telling me how kids that have an early context where they are they have to be a little bit more
**嘉宾**：……更加机敏警觉。
Original English **Guest**: um aware.
**史蒂夫**：没错。
Original English **Steve**: Yeah.
**史蒂夫**：他们往往会变得极其善于察言观色。
Original English **Steve**: They often become very good at observation.
**嘉宾**：是的。
Original English **Guest**: Yes.
**史蒂夫**：他们往往会成为极具天赋的心理治愈者，成为最具同理心的人。
Original English **Steve**: And they very they become good therapists. They become the most empathetic.
**史蒂夫**：但有时他们也会深陷心理健康问题的泥潭，因为极度警觉或过度敏感是要付出沉重代价的。世上没有免费的午餐，所有好的一面背后，总伴随着无法忽视的代价。你对此有共鸣吗？
Original English **Steve**: They also sometimes have struggles with mental health because being hypervigilant or being aware comes at a cost. It's not free. For all the upsides, there's always a downside. Does any of that resonate?
### 兄弟的两种命运与敏锐的洞察力 **嘉宾**：百分之百有共鸣，兄弟。我觉得令人痛心的是，在我哥哥身上，这种境遇走向了彻底的负面发展。随着我们进入青春期并逐渐长大，他被诊断出患有精神分裂症和双相情感障碍。而对于我来说，我感觉自己可能通过喜剧找到了一种应对创伤的机制，而他或许从未在那场创伤中找到属于自己的自愈出口。我觉得创伤有时会把你推向两条截然不同的路，要么是良性的出口，要么是毁灭性的深渊。我感觉我们小时候家里发生的很多事情，可能在他最终确诊这一病症的过程中起到了推波助澜的作用。是的，这是故事里让人心碎的一面。 但是，哪怕是对着他，我记得从小我也总是变着法儿想逗他开心，因为我知道我们身处在一个多么糟糕操蛋的处境中。有一次，我亲眼看着我哥哥因为尿床而遭到一顿毒打。那原本是小孩子再平常不过的一件小事，我当时完全无法理解，心想：“为什么他会因为这个被打得这么惨？”下手极重，根本不是普通拿皮带抽打那种程度，真的下手太狠了。所以在那些可怕的时刻发生时或者刚发生完，我总会主动插进去，试图成为他的心理缓冲与避风港。又或者是我妈妈和我父亲吵架，两人甚至动起了手，我也会竭尽全力去当那个“开心果”——也许是在事后吃晚饭的时候，也许是隔天过去之后，我总是千方百计地想把每个人的情绪状态重新拉起来。
Original English **Guest**: 1,00%, man. And I think sadly in my brother's case, that went a negative direction. He was diagnosed with schizophrenia and bipolar disorder as we continued to go through puberty and got older. Whereas for me, I feel like I might have found a coping mechanism with comedy and maybe he never found that coping mechanism from that trauma. And I feel like trauma can sometimes give you the the good route or the negative route. And I feel like a lot of that going on in our house early on may have played a role in him being diagnosed with that. And yeah, that's the that's the sad side of the story. But yeah, I I even with him like I think early on I would always try to make him laugh because I knew we were in a up situation. One time I watched my brother get beat for wetting the bed and it was the simplest thing and I couldn't understand. I was like why is he like like getting beat this bad? It was very far very not the normal belt type thing. It was very very far. So I would always try to step in either after or during these moments to try to be like a coping mechanism for him or like maybe it's my mom and and he's arguing with her and they're getting physical as well. So, I would always try to be, oh, the funny guy, maybe at the dinner after or maybe after the next day goes by and I'm trying to lift everybody's vibe up.
**史蒂夫**：这么说，你也亲眼目睹过母亲遭受家暴？
Original English **Steve**: Um, so you watched your mother get hit as well.
**嘉宾**：绝对目睹过，确凿无疑。虽然不是字面意义上的拳打脚踢，但我亲眼目睹过各种可怕的举动，比如掐脖子，还有你知道的，把她猛推到门外然后把门反锁上。接着我就得硬着头皮走过去，隔着门眼巴巴地望着门外的母亲，母亲在门外喊着：“把门打开！”而父亲却在身后威胁：“你敢开那扇门试试看！”我就这样被夹在两难的绝境之间，拼命纠结着：我到底是该冒着风险给我妈妈开门，还是父亲马上就要冲过来对我动手？所以从很小的时候起，我就不得不去面对和揣摩各种各样极端的境况。由于这一切发生得太早，有些往事在我的记忆里甚至都已经有些模糊了。但我确信的是，我的幽默感正是诞生于那种本能地想要安抚、抚慰人心的境地。我只要走进一个房间，就能立刻读懂现场的氛围，嗅出任何一丝潜在的危险信号；我也能读懂房间，敏锐地捕捉到任何人的快乐、悲伤，感知各种局面下的微妙情绪。无论对方是精神饱受折磨，还是身体遭受创伤，或者面临任何境况，我都看得一清二楚。而且我一直以来都很擅长看透一个人的品性。我觉得这种洞察力在我后来的职业生涯中，确实给予了我巨大的帮助。
Original English **Guest**: For sure. For sure. For sure. Not not physically hit, but I've seen different things of like the choking and, you know, pushing her out the door and then locking the door and then I got to go and be the one staring at her at the door and she's like, "Open it." And he's like, "You better not open that door." and I'm in between a rock and a hard place trying to figure out do I open this door with my mom or is he going to come? So I it it was a lot of different situations of trying to figure it out at a very young age and and and it started so young that I some back to some things are kind of blurry for me. But I do know that my comedy comes from that comforting type of space. I can read a room and and sense any type of danger. I can read a room and sense any type of happiness, sadness, anything in any situation. Somebody could be mentally ill, somebody can be physically hurt, somebody could be anything. And I always have been a good judge of character as well. So I feel like that has helped me in my career for sure.
### 超常感知力与天赋的阴暗面 **史蒂夫**：针对这点我想补充两件事。我之所以敏锐地注意到了你的特质，显然是因为我坐在这个演播厅里做过大概七百多场访谈，而你是极少数在自己说话说到一半时，会突然停下来对我说这句话的人：
Original English **Steve**: There's two things I wanted to add to that. Part of the reason I noticed this, obviously I've sat here 700 times or something doing these interview and you're one of the first people to stop mid conversation as you were speaking and say,
**嘉宾**：“史蒂夫，你看起来好像有什么话想说。”
Original English **Guest**: "You look like you had something to say there, Steve."
**史蒂夫**：对。
Original English **Steve**: Yeah.
**史蒂夫**：因为你一直在细致地观察我的神色。是的，你能读懂人心。
Original English **Steve**: Because you were looking at my face. Yeah, I can read.
**嘉宾**：通常普通人是不会这样去做的。
Original English **Guest**: People don't usually do that.
**史蒂夫**：所以这非常有意思，因为我接触过的一些人，他们对周围环境和我当下的状态有着超乎常人的敏锐感知。
Original English **Steve**: So, it's funny cuz I meet some people who are much more aware of me.
**史蒂夫**：你知道，有些人坐在这里只是自顾自地说，机械地回答我提出的问题。但还有另一类极为罕见的人——通常是喜剧演员——我甚至觉得哪怕我只是静静坐在那里思考，我都仿佛在和他们进行着无声的交流，因为他们在感知层面极其高度敏锐。你刚才对我做出的反应完全就是这样，所以我当时心里立刻就想：“哦，他的感知力简直敏锐到了极点。”
Original English **Steve**: You know, some people there are just talking and they're giving their answers to my questions. And then there's this other very rare group of people, often comedians, who I almost feel like I'm speaking to them even when I'm just sat here thinking because they're like hyper aware in that sense. And you just did that to me. So, I thought, "Oh, he is super super aware."
**史蒂夫**：而这正好完全印证了你刚才所说的一切。
Original English **Steve**: Which kind of correlates to everything, you know, you were saying there.
**嘉宾**：确实如此，百分之百是这样。
Original English **Guest**: For sure. For sure.
**史蒂夫**：但这背后永远伴随着代价。
Original English **Steve**: But it always comes at a cost.
**嘉宾**：是的，我完全赞同。
Original English **Guest**: Yes, I agree.
**史蒂夫**：所有天赋皆有其代价。我记得我和迈克尔·乔丹的训练师聊过——
Original English **Steve**: All gifts do. I sat with um I think it was Michael Jordan's trainer
**史蒂夫**：——他后来也是科比的训练师。他曾对我说过：“我们的阴暗面与我们的光明面是血肉相连的。”因此，那些赢得众人为你鼓掌喝彩的天赋与特质，其本质正是紧紧依附于我们内心深处日夜苦苦挣扎的那些东西。
Original English **Steve**: um who also then trained Kobe and he said to me, he goes, "Our dark sides are linked to our light sides." So the things people clap for are inherently linked to the re the things that we then struggle with.
**嘉宾**：确实。
Original English **Guest**: Yeah.
**史蒂夫**：我猜想，这对你自己而言同样是真实的写照吧。
Original English **Steve**: That that's true for yourself. I'm presuming
### 和解、严酷的教训与免疫伤害 **嘉宾**：极其真实。而且我觉得在一生中我逐渐明白了一个道理：并不是所有的导师都掌握着最妥当的施教方式。说到我父亲教给我的那些功课，他确实传授过很多非常受用、充满正向能量的人生道理。而在某一刻，我终于不得不去直面这一切的源头，并对自己说：天哪，如果我不能原谅过往生活中的每一个人、释怀每一件事，我就无法去追求更大的成功，也无法看到隧道尽头的曙光。这意味着我必须在心里彻底原谅我的父亲，并且还要当面面对他，把一切都释怀并放下。我认为正是这种放下，帮助我不断大步向前迈进，心中不带有一丝怨恨。怨恨真的会变成压在人心头的千斤重担。也许他的母亲当年对他也有过暴力虐待，又或者他的成长环境是在世界上的另一处苦难之地——比如华盛顿特区东北部，一个充斥着创伤与暴力的恶劣社区，他在那里的廉租公屋里长大。 但我依然认为，他给出的很多规训本身是非常深刻的。他总是告诫我们做事绝不能敷衍了事，半吊子应付。如果你决定做一件事，就必须彻头彻尾全力以赴。如果你要拖地，就不能只拖这一侧，必须彻彻底底拖好；如果你要洗碗，就必须把所有盘子洗得干干净净，绝不能马马虎虎冲一下就塞进去。然而，他的施教方式却常常极其极端过火——如果你应付了事，他会把盘子一把摔得粉碎；他会把碗高高抛向空中，眼睁睁看着它在地上砸得稀烂，然后用尽平生最大的力气歇斯底里地咆哮怒吼。那种场面曾经实在太频繁了。但我觉得这反倒让我有了一种奇特的心态——人们常讨论挫折与崩溃，但我常想，如果我在那么小的时候就已经被彻底摔碎过一次，我又怎么可能再被轻易击垮呢？我现在常常就有这种感觉。大家会问：“在你的职业生涯中面对这么大的压力，难道不会不堪重负吗？”我总是回答：“如果我感觉自己早就跌入过最极端的谷底、经历过最痛苦的破碎，我又怎么可能再次崩溃？”我只会不断逼迫自己攀登更高的巅峰，因为在我脑海里的认知中，我早已熬过了最坏、最可怕的绝境。
Original English **Guest**: very true. And I think through life I've learned that not all teachers have the best way of teaching, which I speak on his lessons. like he had many of lessons that were really good and on the positive side of life where I had to eventually come to sources and just tell myself like wow like I cannot look for more success and look for the light at the end of the tunnel without forgiving any and everything in my past and that came with having to forgive my father in my head and also to him face to face of like it's all we just let it all go And I think that helped me continue to move forward and h not have any grudges. Grudges can really hold a lot of weight on you. Maybe his mother was abusive to him or um his upbringing was in a different type of area in the world where it's like northeast DC, very trauma neighborhood that's very like, you know, a negative place to grow up in. And he's from like the project buildings of that. But yeah, I I think the lessons he had were very good. He always talked about not halfassing anything. If you're going to do something, do it all the way. If you're going to mop the floor, don't just do this side of it. Do it like this. If you're going to clean the dishes, do all the dishes. Don't just don't half ass rinse it and then put it in there. But his lessons would be over the top. He's going to break the dishes if you do it. He's going to throw it up in the air and watch it crash on the ground and then he's yelling to the highest he could yell and it's just so there used to be a lot, you know, and I think it it almost like you know people talk about you like how can I be broken if I've already been broken at an early age? And I and I kind of feel that way like people like oh it's not too much of a burden on you in your career. It's not too much. I'm like, how could I be broken if I feel like I've already gone to my furthest extent? I I I I can only continue to push myself to higher levels because I I feel like I've gone through everything that could be the worst possible situation at least in my brain.
**史蒂夫**：是的。
Original English **Steve**: Yeah.
**嘉宾**：但话说回来，他的许多大道理确实言之有理，并且他嘴里总是挂着各种名言警句——我甚至不得不专门提一下这个，这真让人啼笑皆非。但在小时候我对此完全摸不着头脑：“好吧，搞砸一次‘哇，我把这事完全搞砸了’，就会彻底抹杀之前获得的十次‘干得漂亮’的夸奖吗？”我当时根本理解不了，甚至直到今天我都感到纳闷。但我后来彻底懂了，让我告诉你我是什么时候真正领悟这一点的：随着年岁渐长，我开始目睹身边许多一起长大的发小，以及我成长的那片街区里的许多人，有的纷纷入狱，有的惨遭不白之冤被构陷，还有的横尸街头或者在街角中枪横死。我们亲眼目睹了太多那种残酷的悲剧，因为我长大的那个社区虽然名义上是个郊区，但它同时也混杂融合了亚特兰大最真实、最险恶的一面。所以，在年少的时候，面对这一切复杂的现实，我确实感到过极度的困惑迷茫。
Original English **Guest**: But yeah, he had very good lessons and and always had quotes and sayings on things like I actually have to bring it up. It it's but it's confusing because at a at a at an early age I had no idea. Oh, okay. It only takes one. Wo I really this up to negate 10 attab boys. I have no idea. Still to this day, I get confused. But I understood. Let me tell you when I understood that. I understood that as life went on and I started to notice a lot of my friends that I grew up with and the area I grew up in were going to jail or falsely being accused of things or ended up being dead or shot in the streets. And like we seen a lot of that stuff cuz I I come from a neighborhood where it's this suburb, but it also had a mixture of the real Atlanta in there as well. But yeah, so these things were very confusing to me early
### 原谅与放下怨恨：怨恨是对自己的沉重负担 **德鲁**：……继续前行。但随着我在人生中不断成长，他曾教给我的每一个道理，他所说过的、反复叮嘱过的那些话，在我后来的岁月里，都开始一件件重新浮现在我的脑海中。在我原谅了他——原谅了他过去带来的那些创伤经历以及发生过的一切之后，我开始对这些道理产生了一种真正的感激之情。不过确实是这样。
Original English **Drew**: ...on. But as I continued to grow in life, every single lesson that he had taught me and that he had told and talked about and constantly over over again spoke on it started to come back to me in my later years of life. And I began to grow an appreciation for it after I forgave him for, you know, all these, you know, past trauma situations and everything that happened. But yeah,
**主持人**：你说的“原谅”，是指你现在和他保持着良好的关系吗？
Original English **Host**: And when you say forgive, are you do you have a good relationship with him now?
**德鲁**：是的，非常、非常好的关系。
Original English **Drew**: Yes. Very, very good.
**德鲁**：确实如此。是的。我认为无论在生活中的任何事情上，你都必须从过去的事情中走出来，继续向前迈进。我认为你如果不回头看并对自己说：“好吧，我必须把这扇门彻底关上，我绝不能继续怀恨在心”，你就永远无法成长，去成就一番伟大的事业。因为如果你怀揣怨恨，你必须认真想想怨恨到底是什么。怨恨是你背负在自己身上的沉重负担，它会对你的一切造成负担。这不仅仅是身体上的，更是一种心理上的毒瘤，真的会把人的心智给彻底腐蚀掉。这是实实在在存在的。我相信你大概也……
Original English **Drew**: For sure. Um, yeah. And I think you just you in anything in life, you have to move on from things and continue to push. I think you can you can never grow to do great things without looking back and being like, "Okay, I have to close the door on this. I cannot hold this grudge." Cuz if you hold a grudge, you got to think about what a grudge is. A grudge is on you as a burden. That's a burden to everything. It's not just physical. It's a mental thing that can really rot people's brain out. It's a thing. I'm sure you probably, you know,
**主持人**：当然。确实如此。但很多人把原谅看作是让对方赢了，或者是给对方的错误行为找借口——
Original English **Host**: Of course. Yeah. But a lot of people think of forgiveness as letting them win or justification—
**德鲁**：或者他们会觉得自己像个失败者，心想：“噢，我才不会原谅他们对我做的那种事呢。我永远不会原谅，我要把这股怨恨带进坟墓里。”这就像是在说，嘿，兄弟，你这样做根本不是在帮你自己。这其实完全是你自己的问题，跟他们以及他们曾经做过什么毫无关系。如果你执迷于死死抓住那份怨恨不放，那折磨的只会是你自己的一辈子。
Original English **Drew**: Or they feel like a loser because, oh, I'm not going to forgive them for that. I'm never I'm hold that grudge to the death. It's like, yo, you're not helping yourself. That's actually a a you thing. That has nothing to do with them or what they did. If you if you hold on to that, that's a forever thing for you.
### 回避型依恋与亲密关系的恐惧 **主持人**：我能想象到，这种经历赋予你的一大特质就是极强的韧性。你之前也提到过这点，你说：“当我已经经历过最彻底的击碎之后，还有什么能够真正击垮我呢？”
Original English **Host**: And uh one of the things that will give you is great resilience, I imagine. Um and you talked about it there. You said, "How can anything break me when I've already been broken to the fullest extent?"
**主持人**：但伴随而来的，也是你在成年后必须去面对和挣扎的一系列问题。我自己的亲身经历就是这样：如果我的父母之间其实……他们之间并没有太多的爱意。
Original English **Host**: Again, with that comes a set of issues you contend with as an adult. I mean, I experienced it myself, which is you if if my parents were quite um there wasn't a lot of love between them.
**主持人**：所以我从上一代继承下来的观念就是：亲密关系原来是这样一种面貌，而这并不一定是我所渴望的美好事物，对吧？
Original English **Host**: So, I I one of the lessons I inherited was that relationships look like this and this isn't necessarily a great thing that I want, right?
**主持人**：于是在我遇到的每一个机会面前，我都本能地逃避亲密关系。我会去追求别人，但就在对方转过头来问我“你想建立一段正式的恋爱关系吗？”的那一瞬间，我整个人就会觉得：“压力太大了，太沉重了。”是的，我就觉得承受不了，会想：“这种场景我以前见得太多了，我现在必须赶紧抽身离开，我知道接下来会演变成什么样。”
Original English **Host**: So, I swerved relationships at every opportunity I was presented. I'd pursue people and then the minute they turned to me and said, "You want to be in a relationship?" I was like, "Too much." Yeah, I was like too much. Yeah, I've seen this before. This is I'm getting away from this now. I know where this goes.
**德鲁**：我完全懂你的意思。我确确实实也一直在面对完全相同的问题，我太清楚你表达的感觉了。
Original English **Drew**: I know what you mean. I I I deal with that as well for sure. I know exactly what you mean.
**主持人**：是的。你自己也亲身经历过这种状况吗？
Original English **Host**: Yeah. Have you Have you you've experienced that yourself as well?
**德鲁**：是的。我觉得我和女性建立关系的过程中，总是呈现出一种状态：只要一旦感觉彼此走得太近，我几乎就会感到害怕。就像你刚才解释的那样，也许是因为我从来没有亲眼见过一个由父母双方共同维系的美满家庭，或者一段真正健康的亲密关系。是的，可能因为我从未亲眼见证过一段关系能够健康地走下去。我觉得这确实在一定程度上阻碍了我，因为每当我开始对某个女孩产生爱意的情感时，这种恐惧就会横插在中间。而只要对方一表达出进一步的意愿，我几乎就会立刻向后退缩，心里想着：“不，不，我不敢信任这段感情，因为我知道这背后会带来什么样的麻烦和代价。”这时候女孩们就会觉得很困惑：“嘿，你到底是什么意思啊？我们甚至都还没来得及真正深入地了解彼此呢。”我自己也说不清楚，这对我来说就像是一种自然而然发生的心理防御机制。直到今天我都不知道原因，如果你想来当我的心理医生帮我诊断的话……不，不开玩笑，我只是在做假设，我其实根本不知道为什么会这样。我觉得这多少跟成长环境有关，也许正是因为我从未见过一种健康的相处模式，才导致了这一切。但这依然是一个我迫切需要找到答案的问题。
Original English **Drew**: Yes. I I feel like I continuously have grown a relationship with women in a way where I feel like I almost get scared with getting too close. kind of like how you explain because of maybe I haven't seen the successful home of two parents or people in a relationship. Yeah. Maybe I haven't seen it with my own two eyes to work. And I feel like that kind of does hinder me a little bit because it it it does come in between when I I feel these feelings for this girl and I almost jump back immediately as soon as they're like, "No, no, I don't trust it because I know what this comes with." And they're like, "Yo, what do you what do you mean? We never we didn't even get a chance to fully." And I don't know. It's it's a natural mind thing that happens to me and I still to this day I have no idea if you want to be my my doctor for this. No, no. I just I'm just hypothe I have no idea why. I feel like that has something to do with it. Maybe I haven't seen it in a way that's healthy and that might be the reason why. But I still that's a that's a question that I need answered.
**主持人**：如果我去问一个曾经和你交往过的人：“德鲁是一个会表达爱意、深情体贴的人吗？”
Original English **Host**: If I spoke to someone that you were in a relationship with and I said to them, "Is Drew affectionate?"
**主持人**：你笑了，你其实很清楚答案是什么。你开始……
Original English **Host**: You laughing. You know the answer. You start
**德鲁**：不，不，不。我觉得她们大概会对你说：在我突然变脸之前，我确实一直都是很深情体贴的。但到了最后，我就会直接选择抽身离去，就像是把整个人缩回自己的保护壳里。我几乎会感觉到，一旦两个人靠得太近，我就无法再去信任了。
Original English **Drew**: No, no, no. I I feel like they they would tell you that I am until I'm not. And I I eventually just I just pull out like I I pull back. I like I almost feel once I I get too close, I can't trust it.
**德鲁**：这就像把磁铁反过来调换极性一样。当两块磁铁靠得太近的时候，它们就会本能地互相排斥。每当我和女性的关系越来越亲近时，我内心的真实感受就是这样。是的。
Original English **Drew**: It's just It's almost like a magnet when you reverse it on the other side. It's like when it comes too close, it starts to repel itself. That's how I feel when it comes to me getting more and more closer with the female. Yeah.
**主持人**：嗯，这完全说得通。我觉得这种状态就是我大概在27岁之前所经历过的。
Original English **Host**: Mhm. That makes sense. I think that's what I experienced up until I was about 27 years old.
**德鲁**：确实。而且……
Original English **Drew**: Sure. And
**德鲁**：可我现在都已经31岁了，却依然在经历这种状态。
Original English **Drew**: but I'm 31 still experience.
**主持人**：是啊，这跟年龄无关，根本不是那回事。你得找个妻子了！你必须去找个妻子，你一定要找个妻子成家。
Original English **Host**: Yeah, this ain't about that. It ain't about that. YOU GOT TO FIND A WIFE. You have to find a wife. You have to find a wife.
**德鲁**：不，该发生的总会发生的，水到渠成嘛。
Original English **Drew**: No, it it'll happen. It'll happen.
### 成名后的信任危机：喜欢的是我还是超级明星？ **主持人**：随着你变得越来越成功，这个问题对你来说是不是变得越来越重要了？随着一路往前走，你会对这件事情想得更多吗？
Original English **Host**: Does it does it matter increasingly as you become more successful to you? Do do you think more about it and as you go?
**德鲁**：问题在于，在你成名成功之后，去建立信任变得太难了。我觉得在刚开始取得一点点成功的时候，去信任别人还没那么难。那时候你会想：“嘿，她喜欢的是我这个人本身，但同时她也可能喜欢我所拥有的名人光环”，感觉两者的比例大概是一半对一半。但是随着你变得越来越成功，你的脑海里就会不断滋生出怀疑：“她爱上的该不会完完全全只是德鲁斯基（Duski）这个光鲜亮丽的公众人设，而根本不是真正的德鲁（Drew）本人吧？”
Original English **Drew**: It's just it's hard to trust after you become I think when you're when you when you're kind of successful at the beginning. It's not hard to trust. You're just like, "Yo, she likes me for me, but also she can still like me for this celebrity I am." And kind of 50/50. But as you become more and more successful, you have this doubt in your mind like this could absolutely be her in love with just Duski and not Drew at all.
**主持人**：这是不是只是你为自己的回避型依恋找的一个冠冕堂皇的借口？
Original English **Host**: Is that just a convenient excuse for the whole avoidant?
**德鲁**：不，不，不，我是认真的，我向你保证。这真的是每一个超级巨星脑海中都会挥之不去的问题。我向你保证，即使当他们和某个人全心全意地在一起时，他们的脑海深处也依然会存在这样一个疑问：“这个人爱上的，难道仅仅是我身上那个超级巨星的光环吗？”
Original English **Drew**: No, no, no. I'm I'm serious. I I I promise. Like it's it's a question in every superstar's mind. I guarantee you even with when they are with somebody fully they still have a question in the back of their mind. Does this person just love the superstar of me?
**主持人**：这个切入点太耐人寻味了。
Original English **Host**: That's so interesting.
**德鲁**：这确实会深深困扰一个获得巨大成功的人。因为你会看到成千上万的人为你尖叫、追逐着你；每当你举办演出或者粉丝见面会时，你能亲眼看到大家对你的狂热反应；或者当你走在大街上时也是如此。而在内心深处，你几乎是在极力渴望去相信——那个正在和你约会的人，也是像那些粉丝一样真心实意的。你会渴望告诉自己：“好吧，也许她爱上的仅仅是我这个人；也许这段感情并不像粉丝那种纯粹的崇拜。”你极度希望对方能够相信这是一份同样纯粹真实的情感。但是在经历过所有这些名利场的东西之后，你真的很难去相信了。因为大家认识我，仅仅是通过那个光环。在过去，我只能和妈妈挤在家里、身无分文地窝在沙发上度日的时候，你根本没有参与过我的生活，你明白我在说什么吗？你没有见过那个真实本质的我，你所看到的，仅仅是我成名后所展现出的新面貌、新人格——可以这么说吧。是的。
Original English **Drew**: And it does bother somebody who is super successful because you see all these people will scream and and chase you and you have a show or maybe a meet and greet and you see how people react to you or you go on the street and you almost want you want to believe that this person that you're dating also is genuine like how these fans are like, "Yo, okay, maybe she just loves me for me. Maybe this is uh not kind of like how the fans are just loving me for that." You want her to believe that this is the same type of real thing. But it's hard to believe after you see all of this stuff. You only know me for that. You didn't meet me when I was just at home living with my mom, broke on the sofa. You know what I'm saying? Like, you didn't see the real side of who I actually am. You know, if you get what I'm saying. You see the You see the new personality. Sort of say. Yeah.
**德鲁**：在这个圈子里立足真的太不容易了，伙计。本有可能成为真爱的。
Original English **Drew**: It's tough. stuff out here, man. Could have been love.
**主持人**：本有可能成为真爱的。
Original English **Host**: Could have been love.
### 大学校园生活的落差与挫折 **主持人**：那么，后来你去了大学读书。你只坚持了两个学期就退学了吗？
Original English **Host**: So, you go off um you go off to college and you um you last was it two semesters before you dropped out?
**德鲁**：是的。不过严格来说不是，我一开始是在我长大的格威内特县（Gwinnett County）当地的一所学校读的书。
Original English **Drew**: Yeah. No, I I I I started at a at a a a school that was in Gwynette County where I grew up.
**主持人**：嗯。
Original English **Host**: Mhm.
**德鲁**：所以我在那里读了大约一年，然后又读了半个学期，拿到了足够转学的学分。
Original English **Drew**: So, I spent like a year and then another half of a semester there and I got my enough credits to transfer.
**主持人**：明白。
Original English **Host**: Mhm.
**德鲁**：因为我当时心里想：“行吧，我必须离开这里，我知道我的未来人生绝不应该止步于此。”而且在那个时候，我脑子里根本没想过什么“我要成为超级巨星”；我当时想的只是我想要拥有一次真正的大学生活体验，我想上一所四年制的正式大学。但在高中时我的成绩不够好，没办法直接考进四年制大学，所以我想通过转学这条路在大学里实现它。后来我转学去了佐治亚南方大学（Georgia Southern），我当时只是迫切地想要融入那种大学社交圈层里，想看看这里的氛围到底是什么样——“噢，咱们一起开派对吧，一起玩吧！”然而，当我一到那里，现实却完全不是那么回事。我几乎没有立即感受到任何我原本以为一到那里就能拥有的“真正的大学生活”。随之而来的，我陷入了一种深度的抑郁之中，因为……
Original English **Drew**: Because I was like, "Okay, I've got to get out of here like I know my life is bigger than this. And also at the time I wasn't thinking, oh, I want to be a superstar. I was just thinking I wanted a real college experience. I wanted to go to a 4-year college. I didn't have the grades to do it in high school and go straight there. I want to find a way to do it in college. So, I think when I went to Georgia Southern as the school following that, I just wanted to find the college ecosystem of like what's the vibe here? Oh, let's party, let's do this. And I didn't find that as soon as I got there. It's almost like I didn't get the immediate this is college like I thought I would get after I got there. And I went into like a deep depression because
**德鲁**：我当时认识两个同样来自我们县的男生也在那所学校念书——当然了，你在外地遇到同县的老乡，我当时就觉得：“噢，太好了，我可以跟他们聚在一块儿。在这所全新的陌生学校里，有他做伴一起经历这段旅程肯定会是个很棒的朋友。”于是我一次次试着主动去联系他们、找他们一起玩。但不知怎么搞的，每次我想找他们聚一聚，过程总是极其麻烦、处处碰壁。他们总会各种推脱刁难，说什么：“哎呀，每次都得我们开车去接你，你又没车。”我就说：“没事啊，我自己打 Uber 过去找你们。”他们又会说：“好吧，但如果你自己没钱买票进场看球赛，那来也没意义，因为我们可不会帮你付钱。”或者当我说我想跟他们一起去参加派对时，他们又会嘲讽道：“噢，得了吧，你脚上穿的那双鞋……”
Original English **Drew**: I had two guys that I knew went to the school from like like you know somebody from your county of course and I was like oh okay I'll link up with him. He'll be a great friend to be along with on this ride of whatever this new school is. And I would try to link up with them. And for some reason, it always was a hassle for me to link up with them. They always would be like, "Oh, uh, we always got to pick you up. You don't have a car." And I'm like, "No, I I'll get a Uber to y'all." Well, if you don't have any money to get into the game, there's no point in coming because we can't pay for you. Or I want to come to the party with y'all. Oh, well, you have the same shoes that
### 大学宿舍里的迷茫与喜剧顿悟 **嘉宾**：……你打球进得去吗？我们为什么要带上像你这样的人？他们总是开这种玩笑。也许在潜意识里，我觉得自己不够优秀、不配和他们待在一起。可以说，这是我有生以来第一次感到极度抑郁。这让我非常困扰，因为在这所新学校里，我甚至开始不去上课了。我就整天待在宿舍房间里。情况演变成我连一堂课都不去了，在那个学校的整个第二学期，我基本上都没去上课。完全旷课。我坐在房间里，就只是干坐着思考。我打电话给老家的朋友们，他们也无所事事。所以，我有点不想回老家，因为我觉得，天哪，他们什么都没干，我回去又能怎样；但同时我又想，我待在这里究竟是在干什么？我在这里同样什么都没做。我人生的意义究竟是什么？
Original English **Guest**: ...you hoop in. Why would we bring you like you? They will always have jokes about maybe I felt like I wasn't deserving enough to be around them so to say, and I felt like almost very for the first time in my life very depressed, and that kind of bothered me because I started to just not even go to classes anymore at this new school. I was just staying in my dorm room. So I went to not even going to class anymore. I stopped going to classes for like the whole second semester of being at that school. No classes. Sat in my room and would just sit and think. I'm calling my friends back at home. They're not doing nothing. So, I kind of didn't want to go home cuz I'm like, damn, they're not doing—I'm not going to go back. But also like, what am I doing here? I'm not doing anything here either. What is my purpose in life?
**嘉宾**：所以，坐在那里，感到抑郁和难过，看着镜子里的自己，我开始琢磨：天哪，我这辈子到底真正想做什么？现在做的这些真的有意义吗？我来这里念体育新闻专业，但我真的想做这个吗？我知道自己想上电视。我当初选体育新闻，或许只是想成为一名 ESPN 的体育播音员，仅仅为了能在电视上露个脸。我当时懵懵懂懂，觉得或许我想做那个，听起来挺酷的。但随着我继续做更多的自我反思——可以说是灵魂深处的拷问吧——就坐在房间里思考自己真正想做什么。我会坐着看史蒂夫·哈维（Steve Harvey）的访谈，谈论你人生中到底想做什么、要勇于从山顶纵身一跃去冒险之类的；我看了大量我崇拜的人的视频，比如凯文·哈特（Kevin Hart）。我开始明白、自问：好吧，我的人生使命到底是什么？这些人都是我仰慕的偶像，但我究竟想做什么？
Original English **Guest**: So, sitting in there and being depressed and sad and looking at myself in the mirror, I started to figure out, I'm like, damn, what do I really want to do in life? Does any of this really make sense? It's like I'm here for sports journalism, but do I want—I know I want to be on TV. Like I took sports journalism to be maybe a ESPN sportscast just to get my face on TV. I didn't know. I was like, maybe I want to do that. It sounds cool. But as I continued to do more, I guess soul-searching, so to say, just sitting in the room and thinking about what I want to do these—I would sit and watch Steve Harvey interviews on like what is it you want to do in your life? Jump off a mountaintop and take a risk, and like I would watch all these videos of everything of people I looked up to, Kevin Hart, and I started to figure out, I was like, okay, what's my purpose? These are the people I look up to, but what exactly do I want to do?
**嘉宾**：随着我做越来越多的搜索和探寻，我豁然开朗：天哪，我发现自己崇拜的所有人竟然全都是喜剧传奇。我在看威尔·法瑞尔（Will Ferrell）、克里斯·法利（Chris Farley）的作品，这些人就是我心目中的英雄。我想，既然我从小在每个班级里都是逗大家笑的那个人，无论我做什么，连参加体育运动时因为太爱搞笑而被踢出橄榄球队……这一切的一切，都是因为我骨子里就是一个喜剧演员！当时我感觉自己就像个笨蛋，我心想，该死，我还傻傻地坐在这所大学里干嘛？那才是我的使命，就是它了！我感到自己与他们之间的共鸣，比我这辈子体会过的任何事物都要强烈。
Original English **Guest**: And as I continue to do more search, and I started to figure out, okay wow, I think all the people I look up to are all like comedic legends. I'm watching Will Ferrell stuff, Chris Farley, these are guys that I find as my heroes. I think since I've always been the funny guy in every classroom, everything I've done, sports, I get kicked off the football team for being funny, all this stuff is because I am a comedian. And it was almost like I felt like an idiot cuz I'm like, damn, I'm sitting over here in college. That is my purpose. This is it. I feel more connected to them than I've ever felt to anything I've ever felt in my life.
**主持人**：为什么会有这种感觉？
Original English **Interviewer**: Why?
**嘉宾**：因为他们在访谈中所表达的那些东西——凯文·哈特在访谈里说的那些话，史蒂夫·哈维在访谈里说的那些话，威尔·法瑞尔、克里斯·法利或金·凯瑞（Jim Carrey）说过的话。我感到与他们格外契合，因为他们同样感受到一种强烈的渴望与使命，要去成为喜剧界的英雄。我不知道该怎么形容。这听起来可能有点蠢，因为当你对父母说“我想当一名喜剧演员”时，他们的反应往往是：“哦，那我猜你基本就等同于一个小丑吧，你大概会去一些脱口秀小剧场跑场子，也许能熬出头，也许一败涂地。”当你告诉其他人或老家的朋友“我要去当喜剧演员”时，听起来确实有点傻气。但随着我对所有想做的事情进行了越来越深入的研究，我开始明确意识到：这就是我的人生使命，而且一直以来都是。我看着自己小时候的那些录像，脑海中浮现出童年早期的种种回忆。就是这个没错了。就在那一刻，我经历了一种恍然大悟的顿悟。是的，那对我日后的职业生涯来说是一个巨大的转折点——甚至都还谈不上职业生涯，应该说是最初的觉醒过程。
Original English **Guest**: The things they would say in a Kevin Hart interview, the things he would say in a Steve Harvey interview, the things Will Ferrell would say or Chris Farley would say or Jim Carrey, I felt more attached to it because they also felt a need and a purpose to become like a hero of comedy. I don't know. It sounds dumb because when you tell your parents, "Oh, I want to be a comedian." They're like, "Oh, you're like basically a clown, I guess, and you'll go start doing standup rooms and maybe you make it, maybe you don't." It sounds kind of silly telling people or your hometown friends, "Oh, I'm going to be a comedian." But as I continued to do more and more research on everything I wanted to do, I started to figure out, okay, this is my purpose. And it always has been. And I see these videos of me as a kid. I'm remembering memories of all this stuff early on. This is it. And that and that's when I just had like a—I don't know what they would call like epiphany, you know. But yeah, that was that was a big change for me in my career. Well, not even my career, at the beginning processes.
### 抑郁低谷与封闭自省 **主持人**：当你提到“我很抑郁”时，这个词对不同的人来说可能意味着很多不同的状态。
Original English **Interviewer**: When you say I was depressed, that word can mean lots of things to lots of people.
**嘉宾**：确实如此。
Original English **Guest**: For sure.
**主持人**：在你当时人生的那个节点上，按照你的定义，抑郁到底意味着什么？如果我当时是你房间墙壁上的一只苍蝇，或者就站在那个房间里，甚至潜入你当时的大脑内部，我会听到什么？如果我是那只苍蝇，我又会看到什么？
Original English **Interviewer**: What what does it mean in your definition in that moment of your life? If I was a fly on the wall or you know just in the room, but also if I was inside your head at that time, what would I hear and what would I see if I was a fly on the wall?
**嘉宾**：我觉得你会看到我整个人陷入无比的困惑之中，伙计。我会一个人在宿舍里枯坐好几个小时。我坐在那里打《NBA 2K》游戏，坐在那里听好几个小时的音乐，其实什么实际的事也没做。我在那所学校里一个朋友都没有。我会步行去街角的便利店。我妈妈会给我汇大概 20 美元，我就用这笔钱买尽可能多的食物，好让自己能一直窝在宿舍里，不用出门去和这所庞大校园里的那些人社交。我每次都尽可能多屯些吃的回宿舍，然后就一直闭门不出。那时我就意识到：“天哪，我真的陷入了一种前所未有的糟糕状态。”你可以想象一下，我过去在高中一直都是公认的“班级活宝（class clown）”。家里所有人都知道我是那个能给整个屋子带来温暖、逗所有人发笑的人，永远都在传递积极的正能量；而现在的我却坐在这里，几乎是在逃避社会，内心陷入了极其灰暗的境地。我对自己想要做成的一切都过分苛刻。我花了好长一段时间才真正理解这到底是怎么回事。我想，正是我上 YouTube 去探究那些成功人士的经历，我开始梳理那些激励我的人，结果发现他们无一例外全都是喜剧演员。我对他们每一个人的情感共鸣，远远超过了我这辈子对其他任何人的感觉。
Original English **Guest**: I think you would just see me in there confused, man. I would sit in my room for hours. I would sit there and play 2K. I would sit there and play music for hours and not—I wasn't really doing anything. I had no friends at that school. I would walk to like the corner store. My mom will send me like $20. I'll buy as much as I could get to be able to stay in the room and not go out and socialize with all these people at this huge school. I would get as much food as I could get at the time to go back and just be in the room. And that's when I knew I was like, "Yo, I'm really like in a state I've never been in in my life." Imagine I'm used to being at a high school where I was known as the class clown. Anybody in my family knows me to be the guy that brings the warmth to the room and to make everybody laugh. And he's always bringing good energy. To now I'm sitting here almost hiding away from society and very very dark on myself. I'm very like hard on myself about everything that I want to do. And it took a while for me to understand what it was. I think me going on YouTube and trying to research successful people, I started to line up the people that I found inspiring, and every single one of them were all comedians. I felt more attached to every single one of them than I've ever felt attached to anybody else in my life.
### 逗乐他人的渴望与内在奖赏 **主持人**：这很有意思，因为贯穿你的整个童年，从我看过的所有视频来看，你显然一直就是个喜剧演员。人们通常认为喜剧演员是在奉献与给予——你在逗我们笑。
Original English **Interviewer**: It's funny cuz through your childhood you were you were a comedian, you know, clearly from all the videos that I've seen. And people think of comedians as giving, like you make us laugh.
**主持人**：但显然，你也能从中得到某种回馈。
Original English **Interviewer**: But obviously that you get something from that too.
**嘉宾**：那是当然。
Original English **Guest**: For sure.
**主持人**：而突然之间，你一个人被关在那个宿舍房间里，再也得不到那份回馈了。
Original English **Interviewer**: And then suddenly you're in this room and you're no longer getting that thing.
**嘉宾**：没错。
Original English **Guest**: Yeah.
**主持人**：不管那份感觉究竟是什么。
Original English **Interviewer**: Whatever it is.
**嘉宾**：确实。
Original English **Guest**: For sure.
**主持人**：那份回馈到底是什么？
Original English **Interviewer**: What is that thing?
**嘉宾**：我很小的时候就知道那是一种特别的感觉。小学放学回到家后，我常常会自言自语反思：我今天把全班同学逗笑了吗？为什么把这件事拿出来炫耀会让我感觉如此美妙？或者我还会去问其他同学：“你觉得我们班上谁最搞笑？或者我们整个年级里谁最搞笑？”我是真的很认真地去问。我会问：“你为什么觉得他好笑？迈基（Mikey）凭什么比我搞笑？你给我说说理由。”这在我脑海里几乎演变成了一场无人知晓的暗中较量，但它真实地扎根在我心里。你懂我的意思吗？如果他们告诉我：“哦，你当然是我们年级最搞笑的家伙了，这还用说吗！”那对我来说意义非凡。
Original English **Guest**: I knew that was a thing early on when I was a kid. I would have these conversations with myself of at home after elementary of did I make the class laugh today? And why does that feel so good to me to brag about? Or I would ask other students, who's the funniest to you in this class? Or who's the funniest in our grade? And I would really ask. I was like, why do you feel like he's funny? Like why is Mikey funnier than me? Tell me why. And it was almost like a competition in my head that nobody knew about, but it was in me. You know what I'm saying? Like I felt like it was it meant something if they told me, "Oh, you're of course you're the funniest guy in our grade. Duh."
**主持人**：那会让你有什么感觉？
Original English **Interviewer**: And how would that make you feel?
**嘉宾**：那让我感到成功。那种感觉就像是我赢得了全校的马克·吐温美国幽默大奖（Mark Twain Award）。
Original English **Guest**: That made me feel successful. It felt like I won the Mark Twain Award of the school.
**嘉宾**：在我年少的时候，只要有人对我说：“天哪，你是全校最幽默的人”，那对我来说简直就相当于赢得了奥斯卡金像奖。
Original English **Guest**: Like that is like the Oscar for me at a young age if somebody told me, "Oh my god, you're the funniest at the school."
### 为热爱命名与幽默启蒙 **主持人**：我觉得这往往很有意思：你的天性显然生来就是个喜剧演员，但……
Original English **Interviewer**: I think it's interesting often that your nature was clearly you're a comedian, but...
**主持人**：……但那并不是大人会教育孩子们去从事的正统职业。就像你说的、就像你父亲说的那样，大人会教育你去当兵把命豁出去之类的，或者去……
Original English **Interviewer**: ...that's not a career that kids are taught about. They're taught about like you said, like your dad said, like go get your ass blown off and all these other things, but they...
**嘉宾**：学一门手艺。
Original English **Guest**: ...find a trade.
**主持人**：学一门手艺，没错。直到有时候有人赋予了你一个确切的词汇来定义它。
Original English **Interviewer**: Find a trade. Yeah. But until you have—you're given a word for it sometimes.
**嘉宾**：在那之前你根本不会产生那种顿悟。
Original English **Guest**: It doesn't—you don't have that epiphany.
**主持人**：我对“创业者”这个词也有过同样的体会。直到我 19 岁的时候，我都不知道世界上还有“创业者”这回事，而当时我已经实际上在做这事了。然后我听到了这个词，有人赋予了它具体的含义，我当时恍然大悟：“原来这是一份可以当作正经职业来做的工作啊！”
Original English **Interviewer**: I thought that about like being an entrepreneur. I didn't know it was a thing until I was 19 and I was already doing it, and then I heard the word and someone gave it meaning. I was like, oh, that's a thing you can do as a job.
**嘉宾**：没错。
Original English **Guest**: Yeah.
**主持人**：然后刹那间，你的整个思维格局豁然开朗。
Original English **Interviewer**: And then suddenly, you know, mind expansion.
**嘉宾**：是的！你知道事实是怎样的吗？我一直都知道喜剧这项事物的存在，但我过去根本不知道自己内心对它的渴望竟然如此强烈。我一直在看喜剧，从小看到大。我妈妈很早就会给我们放《生动的颜色》（In Living Color）或者像《天才也疯狂》（What About Bob?）这样的电影。我爸爸则总是开着电视看《查普尔秀》（Chappelle's Show），而我总是试图偷偷溜过去看，因为那基本上都是限制级的（R级）。在大人眼里，他们会说：“哦，小孩子不能看这个，赶紧上楼去！”而我依然会偷偷猫在楼梯后面探出头看，心想：“我的天，这也太好笑了！”然后我会试着把在学校里听到的戴夫·查普尔（Dave Chappelle）讲的段子复述给同学听，或者模仿《笨贼一箩筐/呆瓜水手》（Blankman）里的角色——就像那个坐轮椅的家伙……
Original English **Guest**: Yeah. You know what it was? I always knew that comedy was a thing. I didn't know that I wanted to do it as bad as I was doing it. I was always watching it. I always watched—my mom would show us In Living Color, movies like What About Bob? early on. My dad would always have the Chappelle's Show on and I would try to sneak and watch that because I was very like much rated R. In the kids' mind, they'd be like, "Oh, you can't watch this stuff. Get upstairs." And I would still try to sneak behind the stairs and look like, "Oh my god, that's so funny." And I would try to say these jokes back at school that I hear Dave Chappelle saying, or Blankman, like he was like a guy in a wheelchair from...
### 母亲的平衡艺术与对梦想的坚定信念 **Druski**：《活色生香》（In Living Color）后来拍成了电影，他们还搞出了《黑色轰炸机》（Blankman）这一整套作品。但事实在于，这些喜剧作品一直就摆在我眼前，而我也始终是个超级喜剧迷。我只是当时没意识到，可以说我母亲一直在潜移默化地影响着我。我之所以特别提到我母亲，是因为她总是把这些东西带到我们面前。她全心全意想把最好的给我们，而且每当我父亲那边发生什么糟糕的事情时，她总是像个跷跷板一样，在中间把一切都平衡抚平。我母亲总是在那里扮演平复风波的角色。
Original English **Druski**: Living Color that ended up becoming a movie and they made this whole thing called Blank. But the fact of the matter is that it was always in front of me and I always was a big fan of comedy. I just didn't know that my mom sort of to say was influencing. And I say my mom because she would always put this stuff in front of us because she wanted the best for us. But she was almost like the seesaw to level everything out if something bad happens with my dad. My mom was always there to level it out.
**Druski**：每当那种时候，都是她走上前去对他说：“大卫，你管得太过火了。”有时候我父亲会冲着她大吼大叫：“滚一边去！这两个男孩子将来是要顶天立地做男人的，他们现在就必须学会这些规矩！”但即便如此，我母亲嘴边总会挂着一些励志格言，或者说一些充满力量的温暖话语，比如：“只要继续相信你自己，时刻牢记这一点。”可以说，我母亲始终是个无比坚定的信徒，她深信任何微小的事物都能干出大名堂。是的，在这一点上，我必须把大部分功劳都归功于她。
Original English **Druski**: She was the one that would come in and tell him like, "David, that's too much." And sometimes he would bark at her and be like, "Get the out of here." Like, "These boys are going to end up being men. They need to learn this now." But she always had like quotes or good things she would always say like, "Just continue to believe in yourself. Continue to know this." So, my mom was always a big believer in anything becoming big, you know. Yeah. So, I got to give her a lot for that.
### 中场赞助：Cometeer 咖啡与 Eight Sleep 智能睡眠科技 **Steven**：按常理你肯定会以为，雀巢浓缩咖啡（Nespresso）的前任总裁绝对是个极难被说服去投资一家新兴咖啡公司的人。然而，他仅仅抿了一口 Cometeer 咖啡，就毅然决定出资投资。不过，还是让我来跟你们说说我自己为什么会成为它的投资人吧。当时有一大盒这款咖啡寄到了我位于伦敦的办公室桌上。紧接着，大概不到一个半小时的时间里，我们团队的 Slack 工作群就彻底炸开锅了，大家纷纷在群里打听：“厨房里留下的那个到底是什么神仙玩意儿？”它的品质真的不可思议。他们不是让你自己在家里费劲冲煮、拿捏风味平衡，而是在咖啡风味最完美的巅峰瞬间将其急速冷冻锁鲜。因此，你所要做的全部事情，就是把它从胶囊里挤进杯中，冲上热水，那滋味绝对超出你以往喝过的任何咖啡。你同样也能用它制作风味绝佳的冰咖啡饮品，直接倒进去就行。无需咖啡机，没有任何塑料加热萃取的劣质味道。现在前往 cometeer.com/steven 订购，首单立减 30 美元。就是 cometeer.com/steven。
Original English **Steven**: You'd think the former president of Nespresso would be a pretty hard person to convert to a new coffee company. But just one sip of Cometier coffee made him invest. But let me tell you the reason why I became an investor. So I had a big box of this arrive on my desk in the London office. And then I'd say within about an hour and a half, the Slack channel that we have starts blowing up with people asking, "What the hell is that thing that's been left in the kitchen?" It is unbelievable. So instead of trying to make it yourself at home and balance the flavors, they flash freeze it at the perfect moment. So all you have to do is pop it out of here into a cup, pour hot water on it, and it tastes like nothing you've tasted before. You can also make delicious iced coffee drinks as well. Just pour it in. No machine, no brewing with plastic and all that nasty stuff. And you can get $30 off your first order at cometier.com/stephven. That's cometeer.com/steven.
**Steven**：前不久我和一位极其成功的创始人共进午餐。他向我描绘了这样一个未来愿景：未来的床垫将能够实时检测你的全身健康指标。他就是智能睡眠品牌 Eight Sleep 的创始人，而坦率地说，这个品牌彻底改变了我的日常生活。我和我的未婚妻梅兰妮（Melanie）在睡眠习惯上有着天壤之别：她喜欢睡偏凉爽一点的床，而我则习惯睡得暖和一些；在发现 Eight Sleep 之前，这经常会在我们之间引发一些小争执。而 Eight Sleep 的 Pod 6 是一款直接套在你现有床垫上的智能床罩，它能在你整夜安睡的过程中持续动态调节温度。这样一来，我未婚妻梅尔可以在她那边随心所欲调到她想要的低温，而系统又能精准识别并匹配我在另一侧的专属偏好。如果梅尔早上需要更早起床，她那一侧的床罩还会通过轻柔的微震动与逐渐升温来温柔唤醒她，让她自然醒来的同时完全不会惊扰到依然熟睡的我。全新的 Pod 6 相比前代产品，温度调节响应速度提升了 20%，主机体积反而缩小了 50%。我和创始人马泰奥（Matteo）聊过，既然他赞助了我们这个播客节目，他就专门为各位听众提供了一个专属折扣码，让你们在购买全新 Pod 6 时立省最高 200 美元。请在 eightsleep.com/steven 结账时使用我的专属优惠码 Steven。你们可以享受 30 天的无风险试用期，如果你不满意随时可以退货，但我深信你绝对会对它爱不释手。
Original English **Steven**: I went to lunch with a very very successful founder. He told me about this vision where in the future your mattress will be able to check your entire body. He is the founder of a brand called Eight Sleep and it's a brand that has quite frankly changed my life. Me and my fianceé Melanie, we have very different sleeping habits. She likes the bed to be a little bit colder. I like it to be a little bit hotter and so that often causes a little bit of an argument until we discovered Eight. The Eight Sleep Pod 6 is this mattress cover that sits on top of your mattress and it regulates your entire bed while you sleep. So my fianceé Mel can have it as cold as she wants on her side and it knows that I have a different preference on my side. If Mel's getting up earlier, her side can wake her up by sort of slowly vibrating and heating up so that she wakes up while I stay asleep. And Pod 6 now delivers temperature relief 20% faster than the previous pod with a 50% smaller hub. And I spoke to Matteo, the founder, and he has given me a code to give to you now that he sponsors this podcast, which will allow you to get up to $200 off the new Pod 6. Use my code Steven at eightsleep.com/stephven. You'll get 30 days to try it, and if you don't like it, you can return it, but I'm confident that you will.
### 偶像的激励：史蒂夫·哈维的“跃下悬崖”演讲 **Steven**：所以，后来你离家去上了大学。在大学里，你真正发现了这些伟大的喜剧大师。你提到过你发现了史蒂夫·哈维（Steve Harvey）——我想他现在大概 69 岁了吧，他是一位传奇的美国喜剧演员、知名电视节目主持人，同时也是极具实力的脱口秀表演者。
Original English **Steven**: So, you went off to university. You discover these great comedians. You discovered, you said Steve Harvey, who's I think he's 69 years old now. is an American comedian and TV host, stand-up comic as well.
**Druski**：喜剧之王之一。
Original English **Druski**: One of the kings of comedy.
**Steven**：也是你在喜剧领域的精神偶像之一。
Original English **Steven**: One of your idols in comedy.
**Druski**：那当然，绝对是，百分之百。
Original English **Druski**: Yeah, for sure. Hell yeah.
**Steven**：在你的记忆中，他究竟说了哪句特别触动你的话，在那个关键节点真正推了你一把？
Original English **Steven**: What was it that he said in particular that you recall that really sort of pushed you forward in that moment?
**Druski**：我清楚地记得他当时有一段视频，讲的就是要敢于承担风险、勇敢纵身一跃。他在演讲里反复强调，必须鼓足信念勇敢飞跃，别再对每件事情患得患失、过度思虑。如果不冒这个险，你的人生将一事无成。
Original English **Druski**: I remember he had a video that talked about just taking a risk and just jumping. And he spoke on just take the leap of faith and just jump. Stop overthinking everything. Nothing happens without taking this risk.
**Steven**：嗯。
Original English **Steven**: Mhm.
**Druski**：他在那些视频里不断提到一句话：如果你坚信你的生命中还有更远大的使命，那就一定有；如果那个愿景不断在你脑海中浮现，那就意味着它本就该属于你的人生。我耳边一直回荡着他的这些话。我把那个视频倒回去重新播放，反复看了一遍又一遍，一次又一次地回放。我心里震撼极了：“天哪，这到底是怎么回事？这意味着我命中注定该有番作为。”因为那种强烈的预感一直萦绕在我心头，我不断产生那种直觉，我对自己说，我的人生绝不止于眼下这副模样。我内心深处对此无比笃定，我对自己说：“我知道，我心里明白，我非常清楚，我的生命绝不仅限于眼前的感受。”它就深深地埋藏在我的脑海深处。我一遍遍看下去，正是他视频里的那份力量深深震撼并引起了我的共鸣。那对我来说简直是改变一生的转折点。
Original English **Druski**: And I knew he continued to say something in these videos of if you believe there's something more to your life, there is. If you have that vision that keeps popping up in your head, that means it that very much so is in your life. And I just kept hearing him say that. And I played the video back. Played the video back again. Played the video back. I'm like, damn, what the hell? That means there is something. Cuz I I kept feeling that feeling. I kept having I'm like, there's more to my life than what it is right now. And I knew it in the back of my head. I was like, I know it. I know it. I know it. There's more to this than than what I feel. It's in the back of my And I And I continue. And that's what resonated with me from the video that I watched on him. That was it was like life changing.
### 意外的惊喜：来自史蒂夫·哈维本人的越洋寄语 **Steven**：我跟史蒂夫聊过。
Original English **Steven**: I speak to Steve.
**Druski**：天呐，兄弟，你这是要给我看什么？
Original English **Druski**: Oh, man. What are you about to show me, man?
**Steven**：他也专门给你录了一小段视频留言。
Original English **Steven**: He wanted to send you a little uh a little video message as well.
**Steve Harvey**：嘿，德鲁斯基，近来可好啊？听着，兄弟，我听说他们正在为你做一期特别节目。所以我也想露个面，特地来给你打打气、送上真挚的敬意。我想让你知道，兄弟，我一直在暗中关注你很长一段时间了。虽然我们俩私下只交流过一次，但是……
Original English **Steve Harvey**: Hey, what's happening, Truceki? Hey, look, man. and uh I heard they was doing something for you. So, I wanted to jump on here, man, and just give you some uh some big ups, man. Let you know, man. I've been watching you for a while from a distance, man. We've only spoken once, but
**Steve Harvey**：听着，兄弟，我认为你出类拔萃，你身上有着与生俱来的非凡天赋，你真的很特别。但随这种天赋而来的，是巨大的责任。所以，千万要处处谨慎小心，兄弟。务必时刻牢记你母亲和外婆教导你的每一句话，因为在接下来的征途里你全都需要用到，因为你现在正在统治这个行业。然而，一旦你开始在这个行业里大杀四方，整件事就会像一盘国际象棋一样险象环生。兄弟，我们在这个圈子里就像在下棋。
Original English **Steve Harvey**: look, man, I think you're special. You got a gift, man. You're really, really special. And with that specialness, man, come responsibility. And so, just be careful, man. Remember everything your mom and your grandmama told you, cuz you going to need all of that cuz you killing the game. But once you start killing the game, it's like chess, man. We're out here playing chess.
**Steve Harvey**：下棋的唯一目的就是将死对方的国王。虽然很残酷，但这正是现实。
Original English **Steve Harvey**: The object is to kill the king. Sad, but true.
**Steve Harvey**：坚定你的信仰，兄弟。保持幽默，继续把大家逗乐。如果遇到任何难处，随时给哈维叔叔打电话，我永远挺你。
Original English **Steve Harvey**: Keep your faith, brother. Stay funny, man. If you need me, call Unk. I got you.
**Druski**：这太不可思议了！这简直太炸裂了，兄弟！这实在太震撼了！亲耳听到他对我讲出这番话，真是一种无比圆满的命运闭环时刻。哇，兄弟，他是我从小到大仰望崇拜的前辈，在所有喜剧大师里我最崇拜他了。这真的是……这分量太重了，太深刻了。
Original English **Druski**: This is crazy. That That is nuts, bro. That is amazing, man. And that and that really is a full circle moment even hearing him say that. And wow, man. somebody somebody that definitely I looked up to him amongst you know the other kings of comedy as well is like wow man that's that is that's deep that's deep
### 决意退学与家人的困惑不解 **Steven**：从那之后又发生了什么？你当时身在那个房间里，一遍遍看着史蒂夫·哈维的这些视频，接着想必你必须得给你母亲打个电话，亲口告诉她你要从大学退学了。
Original English **Steven**: what happens from there you go from being in that room you're watching these Steve Harvey videos presumably you got to call your mom and you got to tell your mom that you're dropping out
**Druski**：是啊，她……她当时气坏了，极度难过。我清楚地记得她在电话里放声大哭，随后就狠狠挂断了我的电话，她骂道：“这简直愚蠢透顶！你到底在胡说八道些什么？”
Original English **Druski**: yeah she uh she wasn't happy about that she I remember she cried and she she hung up on me and she was like this this is just so dumb. Like what are you talking about?
**Steven**：你当时是怎么回应她的？
Original English **Steven**: What did you say?
**Druski**：我当时根本一句话都来不及说，她就直接把电话掐断了。但我依稀记得在 FaceTime 视频通话里看到她泪流满面的样子，其实我原本只是迫不及待想向她描绘我的蓝图抱负。因为你知道的，虽然你嘴上说“我要退学”，但你脑子里早就有了一套应对方案，你自认为酝酿了一个绝妙的宏伟构想。
Original English **Druski**: I couldn't get any words out. She hung up. But I remember seeing her crying on the FaceTime after I just wanted to tell her what my vision was on cuz you know you you say I'm dropping out. But then of course I have a rebuttal. I have a great idea.
**Steven**：嗯。
Original English **Steven**: Yeah.
**Druski**：可她当场就给挂了。于是我立刻打电话叫来我的一个朋友，他大半夜开车赶到学校把我接走。我当时所在的学校深处佐治亚州南部，距离佐治亚州亚特兰大市有差不多 4 个小时的车程。我们连夜一路驱车往回赶。当我回到家时，她当然还是让我进了家门。但我感觉那段时期对大家来说都极其混乱困惑，因为我当时身无分文，一分钱也挣不到。所以她质问我：“那现在呢？你接下来打算怎么办？”而我当时胸怀大志，我把我的全盘计划一五一十倒给她听。我说：“我要去当喜剧演员，我要上电视！我向你保证，一年之内我一定会登上电视荧屏！如果做不到……”我当时甚至对她撂下了极其极端的狠话，我说我要自杀。我对她说：“如果我当不成喜剧演员，如果我不能成为电视上的知名喜剧大牌，我就去自杀！”她当时斥责我说：“别再说这种浑话了！这简直愚蠢至极！无论你追求什么梦想，我都全力支持你全力以赴去拼，但你为什么偏偏觉得非得是走喜剧这条路呢？”我当时回答她：“因为这正是我命中注定……”我不停地向她剖析这一切的来龙去脉，我对她说：“这正是我毕生最渴望从事的事业！”然而那种感觉就像是你自以为掌握了一个绝顶美妙的想法，但身边的所有人却根本无法理解你的远见。随后我又去找了我的外祖父母，向他们倾诉了我怀揣的同一个蓝图构想。他们就住在离我母亲同一条街的不远处。而他们听后的反应也是如出一辙：“这算个什么名堂？你在胡思乱想些什么？赶紧回学校去把书读完，拿到你的文凭学历，之后你再去折腾那些乱七八糟的事也不迟。”因为老一辈人的思维方式始终认为……
Original English **Druski**: And she hung up immediately. So then I called my friend. He came and grabbed me from the school in the middle of the night. I was like 4 hours away from Atlanta, Georgia. I'm deep down in southern Georgia. Um, and we drove all the way back. And when I got there, of course, she let me in the house. And I think it was just a confusing time because I'm also not making any money. So, she's like, "Now what? Like, now what are you going to do?" And I had this big plan and I told her what I was going to do. I'm like, "I'm going to be a comedian. I'm going to be on TV. I promise you in a year I'm going to make sure I'm on TV. And if I'm not, I told her this wild story of I'm going to kill myself. I said, if I don't become a comedian and I don't become a famous comedian on TV, I'mma kill myself. And she's like, don't say stuff like that. That is that is so dumb. I want you to go hard for whatever you're doing, but that is just why do you feel like it has to be comedy? And I was like, this is something that And I continue to break down everything. I'm like, this is what I've always wanted to be. And I had it's almost like you have this great idea, but nobody sees the vision. And so then I went to my grandparents. I told them the same vision that I had. They lived down the street from her. And they were like, "This is so what? Like what are you talking about? Go back to school, get your education, and then you do all that other stuff." Because they had the
### 老派观念的冲突与误入歧途 **Guest**: 那是一种老派的思维观念，在他们的认知里，大概只见过两种人：没上过学的人，以及上了学的人。上了学的人能找到一份正经工作；而没上过学的人，在他们那个年代可能沦为了瘾君子，或者成了生活里的失败者。所以他们从未真正看到过另一种可能，而我当时的想法是，退学后能取得成功的人可能只有0.1%，甚至连0.1%都不到，概率极其渺茫。因此当我一把这个决定告诉我祖父母时，他们的反应立刻就是：“噢，不行不行不行。”他们说：“别以为我们不知道接下来会发生什么。你退了学，回头就会打电话找我们伸手要钱。你可别往我们家里打电话，也别跑过来，你迟早得去沾那些毒品。”我当时就说：“天哪，听我说，我绝对不会去碰那些东西的。”他们还是说：“不行不行不行。”你知道的，黑人家庭的祖父母，他们根本不吃这套。他们直接说：“别跑到我们这儿来烦我们，我们清楚得很接下来会怎样。”在他们眼里，你注定要变成个瘾君子。但我说：“听着，我有自己的计划。”
Original English **Guest**: ...old school mindset of they probably seen people that didn't go to school. And they seen people that did go to school. People that did go to school get a job. People that didn't go to school became maybe crackheads in their era. I don't know like or became failures in life. So they didn't they never really saw the good side of what is and I was like the the 0.1 of people maybe even less than 0.1% of people that are able to accomplish that after dropping out is like very unlikely. So immediately when I told my grandparents they were like oh no no no. They said don't we know what's going to happen. You going to drop out. You're going to be calling us asking for money. Don't be calling our house and pulling up and you going to be doing drugs. And I'm like, "Gosh, listen. I'm not gonna be doing that." They're like, "No, no, no, no." You know, your grandparents, black grandparents, they don't give a... They like, "Don't be coming over here and bothering us. We know what's about to happen." Like, you going to be a crackhead. And I'm like, "Listen, guys. I have a plan."
**Guest**: 不过说实话，我一开始并没有马上把计划付诸实践。我先是尝试去打工，在红龙虾餐馆（Red Lobster）干过，接着又去了一家朗豪斯牛排馆（Longhorns），还在澳美客牛排馆（Outback Steakhouse）和麦当劳工作过。我到处去打工，纯粹是因为想快点弄到钱。后来我身陷亚特兰大的环境之中，不由自主地陷了进去，开始做一些违法乱纪的事。紧接着我就发现自己卷进了一场危险的旋涡里——天啊，我回家难道就是为了干这个吗……
Original English **Guest**: And essentially, I didn't do it immediately. I started trying to work at um Red Lobster and then I worked at like a Longhorns and I worked at Outback Steakhouse and McDonald's. I I started to work jobs because it was like a quick money thing and then I fell victim to being living in Atlanta where I was doing illegal stuff and now I'm seeing myself go into this whirlwind of damn I came home to do this...
**Host**: 贩毒吗？
Original English **Host**: ...drug dealing.
**Guest**: 不不，不是贩毒。在亚特兰大有一帮搞网络诈骗、信用卡诈骗的圈子，很多人都陷了进去。就是那种很容易通过银行或者信用卡快速套利的诈骗勾当，尽是些诸如此类的事情。我骨子里从来都不是个坏人，我只是觉得，在追求自己真正想做的事的同时，这算是一条来钱更快的捷径。但随之而来的恶果与负罪感一直沉沉地压在我心头。我当时总对自己说：“我可以一边干这个，一边去追寻我的喜剧梦想。”但事情根本行不通。我甚至都算不上真正去追求它，我仅仅只是……
Original English **Guest**: No, no, you said... I said no. In Atlanta there's like a it's like a scamming circle of where a lot of people fall victim to. Like you can do quick easy scams with banks or doing card scams, just stuff like that. And I never was a bad guy. I just felt like that was an easier way to do it while I'm trying to pursue this stuff. But I felt like the karma of this stuff was weighing on me. It's like, "Oh, I'm going to do I'm going to try to pursue comedy while doing this." And it never worked out. I didn't even pursue it. I just was...
**Host**: 只是在跟它若即若离、打情骂俏而已。
Original English **Host**: ...flirting with it.
### 持枪抢劫与生死抉择：立下无退路的目标 **Guest**: 我当时一直在摇摆不定，没错，我只是在这个想法边缘反复试探、犹疑不决。直到后来我们遭遇了一次持枪抢劫，那一刻我整个人仿佛灵魂出窍一般：天哪，我回到老家，难道就是为了落入枪口顶在脑门上的绝境吗？我到底是怎么一步步走到这步田地的？让我把时间往回倒一下。正是那次濒死体验成为了最后的分水岭，我对自己说：“好，如果我这辈子还要做成点什么事，那我就要成为一名喜剧演员，否则就死在追求这个梦想的路上。”别无选择，我再也没有别的退路了。
Original English **Guest**: I was going back and forth. Yeah. I was just continued to flirt back and forth with the idea of it. And then it was the moment that we got arm robbed where I had a a outer body feeling of wow I came home to be in this predicament where I have a gun to my head now and now it's like how did I even get here? So let me rewind back. That was the last moment I said, "Okay, if I'm going to do anything, I'm going to become a comedian or die trying." That's it. I have no other outlet.
**Guest**: 当我看到那把枪的枪口对准我和我当时的朋友时——那是一次彻底搞砸了的诈骗交易——我瞬间清醒了：只要我能从这场浩劫里活下来，我就彻底洗心革面，我再也不去打那些零工，也绝不回我妈家里假惺惺地说什么“哦，我正在忙这忙那”。我要全神贯注、动真格的去干。从那之后我回到了家，拿出一张白纸，把所有目标一条条写在上面。当时我妈多多少少也察觉到了发生的事，她看着我在屋里焦躁不安地走来走去，听到了一些动静，我就把事情一五一十全告诉了她。我之所以把这些目标写下来，是因为从小到大她总是对我说：“凡事不落于笔墨，就什么都干不成。”从我还是个孩子起，她就会提醒我：“你该把它记下来。如果你想记住什么东西，就写下来，一定要写下来。”
Original English **Guest**: Now I know once I saw the barrel of that gun being pointed at me and my friend at the time it was a bad scamming situation gone left. That was the moment I noticed, okay, if I survive this, I am going to turn my life around and I'm not going to go to a job. I'm not going to go back to my mom's house and try to say, "Oh, I'm doing this, that." I'm going to lock in and actually do it. And from there on, I went home. I wrote all these goals down on the sheet of paper. And my mom, she was kind of in the mix of what happened a little bit, too. She had heard cuz she saw me walking around the house being stressed out. I told her what's going on. And I wrote down all these goals because she would always say, "You can't do anything without writing things down." Ever since I was a kid, she was like, "You should write that down. If you want to remember something, write it down. Write it down."
**Host**: 你还记得纸上写了哪些具体目标吗？
Original English **Host**: Do you remember what goals were?
**Guest**: 我写下的第一条就是：不要准备Plan B（备用计划），你的Plan A（首要计划）一定会成功。绝不要退路，你的第一方案必能达成。我写的第二条是关于……
Original English **Guest**: The first one I ever wrote was don't have a plan B, your plan A will work. No plan B, your plan A will work. The second one I wrote was about...
**Host**: 上面是不是写了要举办全美巡演？
Original English **Host**: Was there about hosting a tour on there?
**Guest**: 没错，对，举办个人巡演绝对清清楚楚地写在上面。
Original English **Guest**: Yeah. Yeah, hosting a tour was definitely on there.
**Host**: 还有主持颁奖盛典。
Original English **Host**: Hosting an awards evening.
**Guest**: 是的，这两条都在上面。我写下了要成为一名喜剧演员，还写了许多其他的大目标。你怎么……你怎么会知道这些？那上面究竟写了什么？你怎么会知道？那确实是我写的。我可从没给你们节目组发过……
Original English **Guest**: Yeah, that both of those was on there. I I wrote down that I wrote down being a comedian. I wrote down amongst a lot of other things. How do you How do you know that? What is it? What is it on that? How do you know that? That was that was on there. I haven't sent y'all a production that...
**Host**: 还有“我们搞的这套诈骗勾当，在这儿能行骗”……以及“主演一部大制作电影”。
Original English **Host**: ...we got this scamming thing we did where we can scam starring a major movie.
**Guest**: 嗯哼，一点没错，所有那些全在那张纸上写着呢，老兄。
Original English **Guest**: Mhm. For sure. All that is down there, man.
### 人生谷底的试炼：车被拖走与一无所有 **Host**: 那时候你大概只有23岁左右吧？
Original English **Host**: And you were 23 at the time roughly.
**Guest**: 没错，23岁。
Original English **Guest**: Yes, 23.
**Host**: 那么后来发生什么了？你离开大学时是多大年纪？
Original English **Host**: So, what's happened then? So, you left college at what what age?
**Guest**: 我离开大学时大概21、22岁。
Original English **Guest**: I left college around 21 22.
**Host**: 明白了。
Original English **Host**: Okay.
**Guest**: 差不多就在21到22岁之间，我离开了大学。
Original English **Guest**: In between 21 22, I left college.
**Host**: 也就是说，你在妈妈家里呆了一到两年？
Original English **Host**: So, it's a year or two at home with your mom?
**Guest**: 大概一年半吧。在这些变故发生之前，我大概在家里呆了整整一年。期间我尝试过打工，也做过那些违法的勾当，但全都不管用。如今我走到了这一步，下定决心要真正去践行我写在纸上的那些事情。
Original English **Guest**: Year and a half. I'll probably say a full year has been at home before all that transpired. I tried the jobs and tried the legal stuff that didn't work. And now I'm here and I start to actually do the things that I wrote down.
**Host**: 这具体指的是什么呢？
Original English **Host**: What does that mean specifically?
**Guest**: 我觉得在我把那些目标写下来之后，最先发生的，反而是我拥有的一切都被剥夺殆尽。那种感觉就像是，在局面好转之前，生活先把你所有的依仗彻底打翻。所有的东西都没了。我写下了这项目标，把日期郑重地签在上面，砰的一声，开干。我心里想：“行，现在我已经全神贯注了，这就是全部，我孤注一掷，别无选择，没有任何退路，没有任何备用计划。”结果紧接着，我的车就被贷款公司强制拖走没收了。我当时懵了：“哟，搞什么鬼……”现在我连出行都没办法，什么都干不了。
Original English **Guest**: Like I think the first thing that happened after I wrote these goals down, the first thing that happened, everything was taken away. It felt like everything dropped out before it got good. Everything. I wrote down these goals. I wrote the date on there. Boom. I'm doing it. I was like, "All right, now I'm locked in. This is it. I'm I'm all in. I have no other option. There's no other plan B, nothing." Immediately my car gets repossessed. I'm like, yo, what the... Now I can't travel and do nothing.
**Guest**: 细想起来这真耐人寻味，因为往往就在你刚立志要全力以赴追求这些目标的时候，所有的磨难挫折便一齐向你涌来。这让人极其困惑与沮丧，而绝大多数人之所以一生都无法得见成功的真面目，恰恰是因为他们在这个至暗时刻选择了放弃。当生活中的一切都在崩塌剥离、濒临极限的那个关头，很多人会哀叹：“天哪，我向上苍虔诚祷告了，我把一切目标都写下来了，我甚至做了这么精美的情绪愿景板，把所有功课都做足了，结果我却失去了这个，你看吧，这套根本行不通。”但我心里很清楚，我对自己说：我要继续往前走，我绝不会倒在这一步。我甚至把这件事做成了一期搞笑内容，拍下了我的车被拖车拖走的画面。当时别人都说：“天哪，你把这玩意儿发出来到底图什么啊？”我回他们：“看吧，事情就是这样，她离我而去了。”但实际上，我心里难过到了极点，我在想：“该死，我现在真的一无所有了。”
Original English **Guest**: So, it's funny because it's like as soon as you want to pursue all these things, everything has to come out. And and you're it's confusing because most people never get a chance to see the real side of success because they quit at that moment. That breaking point of everything falling out of your life. They're like, "Oh my god, I done prayed for all this stuff. I done wrote everything down. I got this this board of this mood board. I got everything." And then I'd lose this and oh, see it don't work. But I knew I'm like, I'm going to keep going. I'm not going to stop here. I actually made that like a content piece. I recorded my car getting repossessed and people were like, "Yo, what the hell are you posting this for?" I was like, "Well, there it is. There she goes." But really, I was sad as... I was like, "Damn, I got nothing."
### 客厅即片场：在绝境中疯狂创作短剧 **Guest**: 可是，我心中其实无所畏惧，因为我脑子里只剩下一个念头：我已经一无所有了。我当时独自坐在一个连床垫都没有的空荡房间里，整个人就睡在地板上，身上裹着我小妹妹留下的一条小毯子当被子铺盖。屋里连个放衣服的五斗橱都没有——你知道的，每当孩子去上大学，做母亲的往往会把你留在家里的一切东西要么送人，要么变卖，要么塞进某个杂物仓库里。所以我身边没有任何私人物品，我就那么孤零零地躺在地板上。原本我还有一辆车，现在连车也没了。既然如此，我还能再失去什么呢？我已经背水一战、退无可退了。我必须咬牙坚持，继续拼命拍视频！砰、砰、砰、砰、砰，疯狂产出。那就是我当时的真实写照，一个接一个地拍下去，没有任何事情能阻止我。
Original English **Guest**: But I I feared nothing because I'm like, I have I have nothing left. I'm sitting here in a room, no mattress. I'm laying on the floor. I'm using my little sister's blanket that she had as a blanket on the ground. Like, I don't have any dressers in here. Like you know when you you go to college your mom gives away all your... Like she she sells it or she puts it in some warehouse. So I didn't have none of my stuff. I just was laying on the floor and I was like I had my car but now that's gone. So what else could I lose? Like I I'm my back's against the wall. I'm going to continue to keep pursuing making videos. Boom boom boom boom boom. And that's what I did. I continued to boom boom boom boom boom. I wasn't going to stop.
**Guest**: 我基本上把我妈妈的房子彻底当成了电影片场。我把客厅的沙发底朝天翻过来扣在地上，在房间左上方架起镜头，模拟成监控摄像头的视角，好让自己看起来像是在录制凶案纪录片《第一现场》（The First 48）的审讯场景——我在短剧里一人分饰两角审讯自己，砰！这就是其中的一个搞笑短剧。在另一个短剧里，我偷偷翻出我妈衣柜里的一件外套套在身上，跑到后院里假扮成Fox 5台的新闻记者在现场播报；我把手机端端正正地架在后院外面的垃圾桶上当三脚架。我妈下班回家一进门，整个人都看傻了：“你到底在搞什么鬼名堂？！”她每次看到整栋房子被我折腾得乱七八糟、一片狼藉，但我打心底里感激她，因为她毫无怨言地陪我咬牙熬过了那段最艰难的岁月。
Original English **Guest**: And I was using my mom's house as essentially a a movie set. I started to flip the couch upside down. I wanted to do a surveillance camera at the top left side of the room to make it look like I'm on First 48. I'm interviewing myself on a First 48 episode. Boom. That's one of the skits. I have another skit where I'm using this jacket that my mom had in the closet and I'm putting that on. I'm acting like a news reporter, Fox 5 in the backyard and I I'm putting the phone cropped up on the trash can outside in the backyard and my mom used to come home. She'd be like, "What the... are you doing?" and she she used to see the house in shambles, but I got to give it to her cuz she she stuck through it with me.
**Guest**: 我总是兴奋地跑去跟她同步我的最新进展：“看，我现在有1万粉丝了！我有1.5万粉丝了！”她就会问：“好啊，可这说明什么呢？你赚到一分钱了吗？”我说：“没有，但是有成千上万的人在看我演呢！”后来我又说：“噢，我现在有10万粉丝了！”她又问：“那你赚到钱了吗？”“还没，但看我的人越来越多了！”我就这样不断地向她汇报着每一个里程碑。直到后来，我终于开始通过接商业推广赚到了钱。我会帮一些音乐人推广新单曲，帮别人推广视频，把这些内容挂在我的快拍（Story）里。辛辛苦苦做上一整天的推广，大概能给我带来几百美元的收入。这笔钱或许刚好够我那天晚上出去跟朋友吃顿饭，或者甚至根本不够花销……
Original English **Guest**: I would always give her these updates like I have 10k followers now. I have 15k followers. She's like, "Okay, so what does that mean? Did you make any money?" I'm like, "No, but I have people watching." And I was like, "Oh, I got 100K followers. Did you make any money yet?" No, but people are watching. And I continuously just kept giving these updates as eventually I started to make money through promotion. and I would promote people's music and their their videos and throw it on my story and I would do a full day of promotion. It would make me a couple hundred dollars maybe and that would be enough to maybe go out that night or it just wasn't...
### 早期起步与第一条社交媒体视频 **嘉宾**：就像……那些并不是什么真正让人有成就感的事，或者说我那时会帮我妈妈买买日用品、杂货。我当时一直试图想办法去赚钱，但在那个时候根本赚不到什么真正的钱。然后我就继续坚持做内容、不断去积累。所以，是的，毫无疑问，我认为早期的那段岁月真的对我后来的发展产生了极其深远的影响和塑造。
Original English **Guest**: Like it wasn't anything real fulfilling, or I would help my mom with groceries. Like I would try to do things to, you know, make money, but it wasn't really making any real money at the time, and then I continued to keep building. So yeah, no, I think those early moments really shaped a lot for me.
**主持人**：我也找到了这么一段视频。你能给我解释一下这段视频到底是怎么回事吗？
Original English **Interviewer**: I mean, I've got a video here as well that I found. Um, you can explain what this one is to me,
**视频片段（嘉宾早期视频）**：兄弟，没错，老兄，我知道现在到底是什么情况，兄弟。
Original English **Video Clip**: Man. Yeah, man. I know what the going on, man.
**视频片段（嘉宾早期视频）**：数着我的钞票呢，我可从来没在加油站受过憋屈。
Original English **Video Clip**: Counting me up. I ain't never been at the gas.
**嘉宾**：那会儿正好是刚搞完恶搞诈骗视频的时候，就在那儿。
Original English **Guest**: That was, that was fresh off of scamming right there.
**主持人**：刚搞完诈骗恶搞。
Original English **Interviewer**: Fresh off of scammer.
**视频片段（嘉宾早期视频）**：跟我打个招呼！我被喊出来的时候他们都给我致敬。戴上他所有的钻石大金链子。把音乐给我开大点。没错。他们都不知道我居然能混成今天这样。现在……
Original English **Video Clip**: Shot me out. Shot me out when I got shot me out. GOT ALL HIS ICE ON. Sound me up. Yeah. Ain't know I'm going up like this. Now
**嘉宾**：那实际上是我有史以来在社交媒体上发布的第一条视频。
Original English **Guest**: That was actually my first video I ever posted on socials.
**主持人**：有史以来的第一条？
Original English **Interviewer**: Ever.
**嘉宾**：有史以来的第一条。我人生的第一条视频。那会儿正是 Instagram 刚开始推出 15 秒短视频发布功能的时候。你知道的，当时 Vine 流行的是那种 6 秒左右的超短视频，但我从来没玩过那个，我也没赶上。后来 Instagram 出来了，说是可以在上面发 15 秒的视频。我的朋友尚蒂（Chanty）——他现在是我的首席喜剧编剧——当时他对我说：“兄弟，发吧，就直接发出去。”我当时还说：“这看起来有点太傻了。我只是在那里装模作样，而且那些全都是 1 美元的钞票啊，老兄。我是在装作自己手里有一大堆大钞。”但他一直在催：“直接发出去就行。”我记得那条视频大概只收到了 80 条评论吧，或者 60 到 70 条评论左右。基本上全都是我家乡的老熟人和街坊邻居留的言。
Original English **Guest**: Ever. First video ever. That's when Instagram first started the whole 15-second video post thing. You know, Vine was doing it for like 6 seconds and I didn't, never was on that. And I came around and it was like 15 seconds on Instagram you could post a video. My friend Chanty, and now he's like my lead comedic writer, and he was like, "Bro, just go like, just post it." And I was like, "This is kind of silly. I'm just acting like I had, like those are like $1 bills, bro. I was acting like I had ones." And he was like, "Just post it." I think that got like maybe 80 comments, 60 or 70 comments, something like that. It was like hometown people.
**嘉宾**：而且他们当时纷纷评论说：“天哪，这太搞笑了。我们看懂你在干什么了。太酷了，希望你能拍更多。”大家就是纯粹在鼓励和支持。我当时心里就想：“行吧，其实我的创作才能远不止于此。”于是我开始不断地创作出越来越多、越来越有创意的内容，因为我想着：“好吧，虽然我拍了那个，但那只是小打小闹的搞笑玩意儿。我清楚自己真正的能力上限在哪里。”但没错，那确实是我有史以来上传发布的第一支视频。
Original English **Guest**: And they were just like, "Oh my god, this is so funny. We see what you're doing. That's dope. Hopefully you do more." Like people were just supporting it. I was like, "All right, well, I'm more creative than this." And I started to continuously become more and more creative because I was like, "All right, I did that, but that's like silly stuff. I know what I'm capable of." But yeah, that was the very first video I ever threw up.
### 偶遇 Meek Mill 与年少时的野心显化 **主持人**：我觉得下面这一段视频非常有意思，我快速放一下给你看。
Original English **Interviewer**: This one I found really interesting. I'm just going to play it fast.
**视频片段（往期视频）**：米克·米尔（Meek Mill）在表演呢。
Original English **Video Clip**: Mill perform.
**视频片段（往期视频）**：真的，兄弟，我骗你干嘛。绝没骗你。
Original English **Video Clip**: Yes, bro. I'm telling you. No.
**视频片段（往期视频）**：兄弟，米克·米尔就像我哥们一样。当时我对他说：“嘿，总有一天我会达到你这样的高度。”他当时看了你一眼。
Original English **Video Clip**: Yo, Mick Mill's my wife. But I said, "Yo, let me be on your level one day." He shot hit you.
**视频片段（往期视频）**：我向你保证。我真的对他说了。我说：“嘿，总有一天我会和你平起平坐。”
Original English **Video Clip**: I promise you. Like I told him. I said, "Yo, let me be on your level one day."
**主持人**：你在那段视频里声称，自己有朝一日一定会达到米克·米尔的那种高度……
Original English **Interviewer**: You're saying in that video that you're going to be on Meek Mill's level someday,
**主持人**：……而且你还跟他碰了拳（dap up），当面亲口对他说了这句话。
Original English **Interviewer**: And that you dapped him up and told him that.
**嘉宾**：嗯……那件事我撒谎了。我根本没有跟他碰拳，也没有当着他的面当面说。我当时是在一个派对上看到他的，那时候我太容易受外界情绪感染和冲动了。我只是隔着人群冲着某个人头顶大喊了一声：“嘿，米克！我是你的超级粉丝，兄弟！总有一天我会达到你的高度！”我根本没跟他握上手，我纯粹是在那里瞎吹牛皮。不过在我们县里，有一位大家眼中的“街区传奇人物”——路·威廉姆斯（Lou Williams）。他当年和我读的是同一所高中。他后来成功打进了 NBA，在多支球队效力过，拿过最佳第六人。你大概也知道他，德雷克（Drake）甚至还专门写过一首歌致敬路·威，歌词里唱着像路·威一样潇洒得分。所以对我们来说，他就如同英雄一般的存在。他经常在格威内特县（Gwinnett County）举办派对，基本上能把各种名流明星都请过来。而在那个时候，格威内特县在全美版图上根本微不足道，大家都不知道这个地方，我们不过是亚特兰大郊区的一个普通县区而已。他把这些大明星都带到派对上，而因为我们是当地人，所以我们也能混进去。于是在那里你就能亲眼目睹所有这些平时遥不可及的明星。我当时看着路·威廉姆斯的大豪宅，心想他现在可是 NBA 现役球星啊，我觉得这一切简直不可思议。那天晚上米克·米尔也来了，我确实对他喊了那句话，但纯粹是隔空喊话，而且他身边围着一大堆彪形保镖，保镖根本不让我们靠近他。但是，没错，从那段视频里你能看得出来，那是一个少年在把自己的野心彻底显化（manifesting）出来……
Original English **Guest**: Mhm. I lied about that. I did not dap him up and tell him that. I saw him at a party and I was so influential. I shouted it over somebody like, "Yo, Meek, I'm a big fan, man. I'mma be on your level someday." I didn't shake his hand. I was just, I was just chatting. But in our county, we have almost like what you would call like a hood legend: Lou Williams. He went to the same high school I went to. He made it to the NBA, played amongst a bunch of teams. Sixth Man. You probably know him. Drake did a song about Lou Will, you know, balling out of control like Lou Will. So he was almost like the hero to us. He would throw these parties which were like essentially, you know, have all these celebrities come to Gwinnett County. And at the time, Gwinnett County is not on the map. It's not like a known thing, like we're just like a suburb outside of Atlanta. And he would have these celebrities come to these parties and we would be able to go because we're locals in Gwinnett. So you would see all these celebrities, and I was like, wow. I would look at Lou Will's house—he's currently in the NBA—and I'm like, wow, this is insane. And Meek Mill came one night and I said, I told him that, but I just shouted it, and he had a bunch of security with him. He didn't even let us over there. But yeah, you could tell I was, man, it's a kid manifesting in...
**嘉宾**：没错，就是那种极度笃定的显化力量，而且当时我说话连一点结巴和犹豫都没有。对于我所做的每一件事，我内心深处绝对就是那么坚信的。在那个时期，我可能还在没有录像机记录的情况下说过很多类似狂妄的话，因为我整个人都在疯狂追求卓越。我这一生都是“追求卓越”的死忠信徒，我从来都不甘心仅仅是变得“还不错”，我从始至终都只想做到“出类拔萃”。所以，那段视频正好毫无保留地展现了这一点。我现在都很惊讶我的一个朋友居然还保存着当年的那个片段，后来他把视频发给了我……
Original English **Guest**: Yeah. Manifestation, and like there was no stutter in my speech right there. I definitely felt that way about everything I was doing, and I probably have said a lot of things around that time that probably weren't recorded where I was very like trying to pursue greatness. I've always been a big fan of pursuing greatness my entire life. I never want to just be good. I always wanted to be great. Um, so yeah, that just shows right there. Now I'm surprised one of my friends, he still had that clip. He sent it to me,
**主持人**：然后你就把它发到了网上。总的来说，我觉得真正耐人寻味的是当时你所处的客观现实与境遇。看看那个环境：你住在母亲的房子里，客厅的地板铺上一床毯子，既是你的床铺，同时也是你所谓的创作工作室。从客观角度来看，在那种处境下，所有成功的概率都在对你极其不利。然而在你的脑海里，你当时的想法却是：我要么成为绝顶伟大的人物，要么就像你自己说的，去死算了。
Original English **Interviewer**: And I posted it. Yeah. The thing I find interesting generally is in that situation, look at that context. You're in your mother's house. You're using the front room and a blanket as both your bed and also your sort like creative studio. Objectively in that situation, the odds are stacked against you. But in your head, you're thinking, "I'm either going to be great or, in your words, I'm going to kill myself."
### 破釜沉舟的信念：“要么成就卓越，要么走向绝境” **嘉宾**：是的，那话确实说得有点过了，有点极端了。 **主持人**：当你当时说出那句话的时候，你的真实想法到底是什么？
Original English **Guest**: Yeah, it was a little far. A little far. **Interviewer**: When you said that, what did you actually mean?
**主持人**：你指的到底是什么？
Original English **Interviewer**: What did you mean?
**嘉宾**：我当时感觉自己……
Original English **Guest**: I felt like I...
**主持人**：你是认真的。 **嘉宾**：但我当时……你知道那是怎么回事吗？我整个人彻底陷入了对卓越的狂热追求中。我说出那么疯狂极端的话也许确实有些离谱，但那确实是我当时内心的真实想法：我必须让它成为现实，否则我就会彻底视自己为一个彻头彻尾的失败者。在我的视野里容不下任何别的可能性，在这条黑暗隧道的尽头，我只能看到绿灯前行。除了成功，我看不到任何退路。在我潜意识的最深处，我一直清楚自己的真正潜力，我早就知道自己有多大能耐。我感觉自己这一辈子其实一直都知道，只是过去没能把所有的拼图碎片拼凑完整而已。但是当我当面对我母亲说出那句话的时候，我知道，我对自己许下了一个毫无退路的死承诺：要么全力以赴把这件事干成，要么至死方休。说实话，我当时心里明白，我不会真的去结束自己的生命，本质上我很清楚……
Original English **Interviewer**: You meant it. **Guest**: But I was... You know what it was? I was chasing being great. And that might have been far-fetched in me to say something as wild as that, but that's honestly how I felt like: I was going to make it happen or I was going to perceive myself as a failure. I didn't see anything different. I saw nothing else but a green light down this tunnel. I saw nothing else. I knew in the back of my mind what I was capable of. I already knew. I felt like my entire life I knew, but I just didn't put the pieces together. But when I told my mom that, I knew I said, okay, I have committed to something that I know there is no possible in or out. I'm going to do this or die trying truthfully, you know. Like I feel like I'm either going to do this or I'm not, and I'm going to make it happen. So I knew I wasn't going to kill myself essentially. I knew,
**主持人**：嗯。
Original English **Interviewer**: Mhm.
**嘉宾**：我绝不会真的去自杀。
Original English **Guest**: I'm not going to kill myself.
**主持人**：因为你深信不疑。
Original English **Interviewer**: Because you believe.
**嘉宾**：因为我深信自己一定会成功。但如果我做不到……
Original English **Guest**: Because I believe I'm going to do it. But if I don't,
**主持人**：嗯。
Original English **Interviewer**: M.
**嘉宾**：那我在这世界上也就没有立足之地了。
Original English **Guest**: I'm out of here.
**嘉宾**：听起来可能很疯癫，但这确实是大实话。听上去荒谬绝伦，但事实就是如此，老兄。那就是我对自己拥有的绝对信念。也是在我被逼到退无可退的绝境时，内心爆发出的最真实感受。我当年就是那么极度渴望成功。即便到了今天，我对成就卓越的执念依然丝毫未减。我天生就不喜欢那些仅仅停留在“还过得去”、“普普通通”的事物。
Original English **Guest**: Sounds crazy, but it's true. Sounds crazy, but it's true, man. That's how much belief I had in myself. And that's how I felt like with my back against the wall. Like I really did want to do it that bad. And still, like I do feel the same about achieving greatness. I don't tend to like things that are just good.
**嘉宾**：许多人会说：“天哪，我赚大钱发财了，我已经很知足了，兄弟，我要去度假享乐了。”我从来不去度假。我反而觉得身处混乱高压的高强度工作状态、同时手头同时运转好几个大项目，对我而言是一种极大的抚慰与享受。那才是我真正梦寐以求的生活，我当初进入这个行业就是为了做这个。这就是我终极的人生目标。没错。
Original English **Guest**: And people are like, "Oh my god, I became rich. I'm good, man. I'm going on vacation." I don't do any vacationing. I find it soothing to be in a chaos situation of work and juggling multiple projects at once. Like that is what I want to do. This is what I got into it for. So that's my full goal. Yeah.
### 成功的残酷法则：人人都想名列前茅，却没人愿意持续付出代价 **主持人**：如今作为一个 31 岁的人，当你重新审视那段人生岁月——刚刚搬回家和母亲同住的那个时期——它让你对“取得普遍意义上的成功到底需要付出什么”有了怎样的领悟？我们不妨把运气因素从这个等式中剔除掉，也把那些纯粹靠买彩票暴富的个例排除在外。从更广泛的普遍规律来看，在追求这样一个目标的过程中，它教会了你什么？毕竟坦白讲，在这个行业里绝大多数人一辈子都赚不到一分钱。作为一名喜剧演员，能够取得成功——我们姑且把“成功”定义为能够凭借它养活自己并支撑一个家庭——这种几率……
Original English **Interviewer**: And when you look back on that season of life where you first move home with your mom as, as a 31-year-old now, what has it taught you about what it takes to be successful broadly? Again, remove luck from the equation. Let's remove some people getting fortunate with lottery tickets, whatever else. But generally, what has it taught you about what it takes to be successful in the pursuit of a goal like that where, to be honest, not many people ever make any money? The odds of you being successful as a comedian—defined, let's define as, as making, being able to provide for yourself and a family—
**嘉宾**：几乎微乎其微，几近于零。
Original English **Guest**: Slim to none.
**主持人**：概率低得令人难以置信。
Original English **Interviewer**: It's, it's crazy odds.
**嘉宾**：但核心的残酷事实在于：绝大多数人根本就不是真心想要变得卓越。大部分人之所以挂在嘴边，仅仅是因为这句话听起来很酷、很励志。我身边曾经围绕着很多这样的人，他们满口说着：“兄弟，让我们大干一场吧！明天一早我们就起来拼命，全力以赴！”但结果呢？到头来所有人都慢慢销声匿迹了。那些当初口口声声说要拼尽全力的人，往往只坚持了一天，到了第二天、第三天就彻底不见踪影。没有人能够日复一日、长年累月地真正按部就班为了目标付出艰苦卓绝的劳动。而一旦我意识到全天下真正愿意为了任何事业踏踏实实投入苦干的人是如此凤毛麟角，这就清楚地告诉我：我已经踏上了一条只属于我自己的超车道。我正在全心全意追逐一样世人整天嚷嚷、但实际上根本没有人愿意真正去付诸行动的东西。每个人都巴望着当第一名，每个人都渴望能够名列前茅，但现实中根本没有几个人真正愿意为之付出汗水。没有人会陷入日夜不休的痴迷状态，每时每刻都在想着它，连做梦都在构思内容；没有哪个创作者会跟自己的剪辑师坐在一起，连续 18 个小时以上一动不动地盯着海量素材片段反反复复地死磕剪辑。
Original English **Guest**: But the thing is, most people don't really want to be great. Most people just say it because it sounds good. Like I would be around a lot of guys that be like, "Yo, let's do it. Let's wake up in the morning, let's just fall out." Everybody eventually just goes away. Everybody that said they were going to do it, they do it one day; they're not showing up the third or the second day. Nobody, nobody shows up continuously for the work. And once I noticed there's a small amount of people that are showing up for the actual work of anything, it just showed me that, okay, I'm in a lane of my own. I'm pursuing something that most people say, but they're not really trying to pursue. Everybody wants to be number one. You want to be the top of the list. Everybody wants to be top of the list, but nobody really wants to do the work. Nobody's obsessed with it continuously, every day and night, having dreams about it. Nobody's sitting and editing with their editors 18 hours plus of like just sitting looking at clips.
### 追求第一与永远在路上的长跑 **Druski**：没有人会在巡演的同时，还试图连轴转地拍一部电视剧。那次巡演期间可能还穿插着恋爱。而且也没人会在做这些的同时还想去拍电影——比如现在，我们正在和环球影业合作拍摄《The Catch》，搭档艾玛·斯通（Emma Stone）和克里斯·派恩（Chris Pine），与此同时我还要兼顾自己在社交媒体上的活跃度。我试图把所有这些事情一肩挑，因为我想成为最顶尖的存在。我不想只是敷衍应付，然后说：“行吧，我要休整一段时间，随便搞搞……”不，我真的想当第一名。我绝不甘心退而求其次，去接受什么第二名或者第三名。我平时总拿这个开玩笑，因为我最喜欢的电影之一就是《塔拉迪加之夜》（Talladega Nights）。主角瑞奇·鲍比（Ricky Bobby）说过一句话：“如果你不是第一名……”
Original English **Druski**: Nobody's going and doing tours while trying to continuously film a TV show. Could have been love in the middle of that tour. Nobody's trying to also shoot a movie—like right now we're shooting with Universal *The Catch* with Emma Stone and Chris Pine, while also still trying to fulfill my social media presence. I'm trying to juggle all these things in one because I want to be great. I don't want to just do it and be like, "Okay, I'm going to take some time off and just..." No, I really want to be number one. I'm not really falling victim to being okay with being cool with number two or three. And I joke about it all the time because one of my favorite movies is *Talladega Nights*. And Ricky Bobby said, "If you ain't first..."
**主持人**：那你就是最后一名。
Original English **Host**: ...you're last.
**Druski**：我和我的家人老拿这个开玩笑。我们总是一笑而过，但我其实心里非常认真地对待这个信念，因为这确实就是我做人做事的方式，也是我内心最真实的感受。除了力争第一，人生还能有什么别的追求呢？
Original English **Druski**: And me and my family joke about it all the time. We laugh about it, but I kind of took that vision seriously cuz that's really how I live my life and that's really how I feel, because what else could be other than wanting to be number one?
**主持人**：当你真正成为第一之后，又会发生什么？
Original English **Host**: What happens when you become number one?
**Druski**：你依然得继续奋力登山，因为后面有人在追赶你。总有人会赶上来，总有人正在奔赴前方的路上。所以我觉得这段征程永远没有终点，因为你始终在不断追赶。
Original English **Druski**: You still got to keep pushing the mountain cuz somebody's chasing. There's somebody coming. Somebody's on the way. So, I feel like the journey never ends because you're always continuously chasing.
**主持人**：确实如此。
Original English **Host**: Mhm.
**Druski**：即使不是在追赶前人的脚步，你也在努力为后来者把标杆立得更高。
Original English **Druski**: You know, if it's not the people before you, it's trying to continue to set the bar high for the people behind you.
### 卓越的定义：设立标杆与留下遗产 **主持人**：是的。那么按照你对这个词的理解，“卓越”（great）到底意味着什么？比方说，既然你明确说过自己的目标是追求卓越，那你怎样才能知道自己已经做到了卓越？
Original English **Host**: Yeah. And what does being great mean in your definition of the word? Like, if I say—cuz you know, you stated that the goal is to be great—how would you know you've become great?
**Druski**：我觉得卓越有很多层不同的含义。它不能简单用赚了多少钱、或者巡演票房达到了什么体量来衡量。我认为在各个层面上达到卓越，归根结底取决于你愿意把标杆设在多高的高度。在你之前，永远都有前辈完成过不可思议的成就。你看埃迪·墨菲（Eddie Murphy），他把行业天花板推到了令人仰望的高度；然后是凯文·哈特（Kevin Hart），他几乎快要追平埃迪的成就了，而且他身体状态极佳，看起来甚至可能比埃迪走得还要远。谁知道呢？我也不清楚。但在每一位卓越的前辈身后，永远都有人在紧紧咬住。在篮球界，科比（Kobe）、乔丹（Jordan）、勒布朗（LeBron）之间也是如此。
Original English **Druski**: I think being great has a lot of different meanings. It doesn't have a money value or a certain touring value. I think just being great in all ways just comes down to just how far you're willing to set the bar. There's always people before you that have done great things. You got Eddie Murphy that has set the bar way up here. Then you got Kevin Hart that's damn near where Eddie's at. And he looks very healthy. He looks like he might take it further than Eddie. Who knows? I don't know. But there's always somebody gaining on that right behind the great before you. The same with Kobe, Jordan, LeBron.
**主持人**：是的。
Original English **Host**: Mhm.
**Druski**：总会有人不断把标杆继续往上提。所以说，我们所有人其实都是在试图留下属于自己的遗产。我想这就是我们所有人的共同追求。而且……
Original English **Druski**: Somebody's going to continuously keep setting the bar high. So, it's like we're all trying to just leave a legacy, sort to say. Like, I think that's what we're all trying to do. And...
**主持人**：你希望在这个历史级别的讨论中占有一席之地。
Original English **Host**: ...you want to be in that conversation.
**Druski**：当尘埃落定、盖棺定论之时，你希望能跻身于那场关于顶尖人物的讨论之中。我渴望能进入那个名单。这并不是说我想被别人超越，尽管我们每个人都渴望超越前人的伟大成就，大家心里都有这个念头。
Original English **Druski**: You want to be in that conversation when it's all said and done. I would love to be in that conversation. It's not saying I want to be surpassed, and we all want to surpass great things. We all do.
**主持人**：但只要能跻身于那个讨论范围、能被世人长久铭记并留下深远的遗产，这才是真正重要的。在那些矢志追求卓越并最终成功登顶的人身上，我观察到一个共同特征：他们拥有一种超乎常人的耐心，以及更长远的时间视野。因为像埃迪、像凯文这样的人物，背后都需要熬过无数漫长而孤独的岁月，有时甚至是几十年的沉寂。曾坐在我身边的世界上最伟大的魔术师告诉我，他当年在餐馆一张桌子接着一张桌子表演近景纸牌魔术，整整熬了十年。外人听了都会觉得：“这人疯了吧，怎么会干这种事？”或者就像吉米·卡尔（Jimmy Carr）曾对我讲过的，他毅然辞掉了一份体面的高薪工作——我记得好像是在市场营销部门——然后花了五六年的时间，一分钱报酬都拿不到，只是在各个小酒吧里给人讲笑话。大家都会想，任何一个神智正常的人怎么会做这种看似完全不划算的交换？
Original English **Host**: But just to be in that conversation and to be remembered and to leave a legacy, that's what matters. One of the things that I've observed with people that go in the pursuit of greatness and achieve it is just they have a different level of patience and they have a longer time horizon. Because with Eddie, with Kevin, it takes a lot of lonely, lonely years, decades sometimes. I was sat here with the greatest illusionist in the world and he told me that he spent 10 years doing card tricks on restaurant tables and you go, "What a crazy thing to do." Like whatever, or I mean even Jimmy Carr said to me like he dropped out of his great job, I believe it was in marketing, and spent five, six years getting paid absolutely nothing just cracking jokes in pubs and stuff. And you go like, what sane person would take that trade?
**Druski**：没错，确实是这样。
Original English **Druski**: Yeah. Yeah.
### 漫长的沉寂期与停不下来的连轴转 **主持人**：当我把视线拉回到你当年还挤在母亲家里的那段日子，那段时期持续了多久？从大学毕业，一直到你忽然意识到“天哪，靠做这个似乎真的能养活自己、能让我搬出去独立生活了”，这中间隔了多长时间？
Original English **Host**: When I zoom back into where you were in your mother's house, how long was it? From college to the moment where you go, "Actually, shit, this might be able to pay my way so I can move out"—how long was that period of time?
**Druski**：好多年啊，老兄。说实话，熬了整整好几年。那可是好几年颗粒无收、看不到任何起色的日子。而我觉得现在很多人根本看不到这一点。在当下的社交媒体时代，大家看到的全是立竿见影的反馈，人们总是惊呼：“我的天，这个人凭那个视频爆火了！天哪，我现在该怎么趁热打铁大捞一笔？”大家脑子里想的永远是：“我要抓住这个风头。我拍了这个视频，或者我做了那个内容，现在我赶紧去组建一个团队，我要大干一场。”这完全就是本末倒置——你到底在干什么？你现在根本不需要什么团队。继续埋头苦干，再去创作，一次又一次地做下去啊，兄弟！而且当你全心全意追求卓越的时候，你甚至根本没有机会去庆祝自己已经取得的成果。你几乎无法活在当下的喜悦中，因为你总是在马不停蹄地张望下一座山峰。我对此深有体会，因为我自己就是这副德行，我无时无刻不在这样做。我们刚办完黑人娱乐电视大奖（BET Awards），第二天我就已经登上了飞机，赶去拍摄刚刚杀青的全新电视喜剧《Collect and Praise》，搭档麦克·埃普斯（Mike Epps）。
Original English **Druski**: Years, man. Honestly, years. We're talking like years of seeing nothing. And I think people don't see that. People see with social media, there's a bunch of quick reaction to things and people like, "Oh my god, this person, oh, they went viral for that. Oh my god, now what can I do with this?" People always worried about, "Oh, I'mma take this thing. I did this video or I did." And now I'm going to go get a team. It's like, what are you doing? You don't need a team. Keep grind. Do it again. Do it again, man. And when you're trying to be great, you never get a chance to celebrate the things that you have done. You almost don't feel in the moment because you're looking for what's the next thing, and I kind of give credit of that cuz I do the same thing. I do it all the time. We did the BET Awards and the next day I was already flying to go shoot my TV show *Collect and Praise* with Mike Epps that we just shot.
**会众**：教区里有人问我，牧师，您为什么穿着克里斯汀·迪奥（Christian Dior）和鲁布托红底鞋（Christian Louboutins）？
Original English **Host / Congregant**: I had somebody in the congregation ask why I'm wearing Christian Dior and Christian Louboutins.
**Druski（牧师角色）**：因为老子是个基督徒（Christian），老子沐浴在耶稣基督的宝血之中！快给我大声赞美主！
Original English **Druski**: CUZ I'M A CHRISTIAN AND I WALK IN THE BLOOD OF JESUS. GIVE HIM SOME PRAISE!
**Druski**：就在那之后的第二天，我们几乎——我甚至连喘口气细细体会这一切的机会都没有。我心里还在想：“天哪，我刚登上了 BET 大奖的舞台，那是我毕生梦寐以求的梦想。”砰的一声，我又已经在飞机上了，直奔下一个项目。拍完《Collect and Praise》之后——我们连轴转了整整两周——砰的一声，又上了飞机。在那个项目杀青的第二天，大家刚鼓掌庆祝完，我们就已经收拾好行囊坐上了飞机。再下一天，我们已经在剧组开拍和艾玛·斯通、克里斯·派恩合作的电影《The Catch》了。
Original English **Druski**: IMMEDIATELY the next day, we almost—I didn't even get a chance to take it in. I'm like, "Oh my god, I just did the BET Awards. Something I always want to do in my life." Boom. I'm on a plane. I'm at the next thing. Immediately after I do *Collect and Praise*—we shot that for two weeks back to back—boom, on a plane. The next day after the final day of that, we're all clapping everything, on a plane. Next day, we're shooting *The Catch* with Emma Stone and Chris Pine.
**主持人**：嗯。
Original English **Host**: Mhm.
### 追求更好：家庭教育带来的多维思维 **Druski**：都是次日直接无缝衔接。所以你几乎没有机会停下来消化这些经历，因为你始终在不断推进、推进、向前推进。我觉得这在很大程度上受我母亲的影响，是她把我塑造成了这副性格。以前我上学的时候，每次回家兴高采烈地说：“妈，我这次考试拿了个 B！”她就会说：“呵，你本可以考得更好的。”或者我说：“妈，我在学校做了某件事，大家都夸我做得好……”她就会说：“行了吧你，那件事你本可以完成得更加出色。”
Original English **Druski**: The next day. So, it's like you never really get a chance to take a lot of these things in because you're continuously progressing, progressing, progressing. And my mom would always—I feel like she influenced me to be like that because I would come home from school all the time and be like, "Oh, I got a B on this test." She's like, "Oh, you could have done better." Or I'd like, "Oh, I did this at school. They told me I was..." "Oh, come on. You could have done better on that."
**主持人**：嗯，倒不是说你做得不够好，而是潜台词永远是“你总能做得更出色”。哪怕你拿了 A，她也会问你为什么没拿到 A+。
Original English **Host**: Mhm. Not like it's not enough, but it's like you always can do better. Even if you got an A on this, why didn't you get an A+?
**主持人**：你自己未来想当一名父亲吗？
Original English **Host**: Do you want to be a dad yourself?
**Druski**：想啊，当然想，这是肯定的。
Original English **Druski**: Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Of course.
**主持人**：在这般疯狂忙碌的生活节奏里，家庭要怎么安放？
Original English **Host**: Where's that going to fit in this crazy life?
**Druski**：我完全不知道，老兄，我们得先找个老婆才行啊。兄弟，我得先找到真爱才谈得上别的。我目前真的毫无头绪。不过说真的，我觉得我的父母双方都是这种教育风格。比如以前我拿着数学题去找我爸，他是一名飞行员，就会用极其天马行空、匪夷所思的方式来拆解那道题。我跟他说：“爸，这是一道除法题，你能帮我看看吗？”结果他能拉着我讲上四十分钟，他说：“虽然你做对了答案，但除法其实可以这样列竖式；来，我教你 $mx \times bx^2$，你还可以通过逆向推导来得出解法。我们倒过来算一遍，如果你能掌握这个，你就能用好几种截然不同的方法解开这道题。”我当时整个人都懵了：“天呐，老爸，我只是拿了一道最基础的小学除法题来问你，你为什么要把它搞成复杂长除法，甚至还扯到了高深方程？”但这就是我的父母。无论面对什么事情，哪怕是学业，他们永远在追求更高的境界。在他们看来，你永远可以做得更好，或者你总能找到不同的解题思路与路径。在我们家里，几乎永远没有所谓唯一的“标准答案”，因为任何问题都存在多种不同的解决之道。你可以想象一下，这种家庭环境给我的思维方式带来了多么深远的影响——
Original English **Druski**: We have no idea. We got to find a wife first, bro. I'm trying to find love first, bro. I have no idea. No, but I think both my parents, they both did that same thing. Like, I would bring my dad math equations, and him being a pilot, he would break it down in crazy ways. Like I would say, "Oh, this is division. Could you help me with this?" And he'll take 40 minutes, be like, "Oh, you answered it, but you could have done the long division this way. Okay, let me tell you: mx times bx squared, and you could get this answer reversed. Let's reverse this answer. If you get this, you get it multiple different ways." So I'd be like, "Yo, what the hell, bro? I just brought you a simple division equation. Why did you make it long division and then go into mx * bx squared?" But these are my parents, though. They're always looking for the greater thing. Always, no matter what it was, even if it was academics—you could have done better, or you could have gotten it a different way, or there's other routes to get to it. It was almost never a correct answer in my household, because there's different ways you could find an answer to anything. So imagine what that does to my mind of, damn—
**主持人**：必须找到出路，而且绝不能只靠一种方法，必须通过多种完全不同的途径去破局。
Original English **Host**: I've got to find a way, and not just in one way. I got to find it in multiple different ways.
### 不设限的喜剧形态 **Druski**：所以当我在做自己的喜剧事业时，我从来不会把自己固步自封在单一的模式里。如果我在某个领域做成了，那固然很棒，但我转头就会杀进另一个截然不同的领域，去征服另一个舞台。我要在这方面展现好笑的一面，也要在那方面带来幽默感。我不会只局限在某一种搞笑方式中：我可以在脱口秀现场表演中让人捧腹大笑；我可以在短剧小品中展现幽默；我可以在大银幕电影里大放异彩；我也可以在电视剧里逗乐观众；甚至在商业广告里我同样能引人发笑。
Original English **Druski**: So when I do my type of comedy, I never sit on doing one thing. If I do one thing, that's amazing. I'll come back and hit another situation, or I'll hit another situation. I'm going to be funny in this way, too. I'm not just going to be funny in this way. I can also be funny at a live show. I can also be funny in a sketch version. I can also be funny in a movie. I can also be funny on a TV show. I can also be funny in a commercial.
**Druski**：比如你看 T-Mobile 的商业广告，你能看到我 Druski 的大脸出现在镜头前，身边站着佐伊·索尔达娜（Zoe Saldana）和杰夫·布里吉斯（Jeff Bridges）。有人可能会问：“Druski 到底凭什么能和佐伊以及杰夫同框啊？”我也不知道为什么，但它就是奏效了，它成为了整支广告绝妙的喜剧点缀……
Original English **Druski**: You see a T-Mobile commercial, you see Druski's face on it with Zoe Saldana and Jeff Bridges. Why the hell is Druski on here with Zoe and Jeff? I don't know. But it works. It's a comedic relief of this—
### 父母的教诲与向母亲证明自己的时刻 **嘉宾**：商业广告。但我觉得我的人生之所以朝着那个方向发展，正是因为父母对我们的这些抚养方式，以及他们给我们树立的这些教导。
Original English **Guest**: commercial. But I feel like my life has gone in that direction because of these upbringings, of these teachings that both my parents had set for us.
**主持人**：听着，我这辈子可没少被家具“照骗”过。有时候看图片觉得棒极了，不管是一张沙发还是别的什么东西，我下单时兴奋得不行，结果送来一看，完全是另一回事。质量跟网上宣传或图片展示的相差甚远，或者手感质地不对，又或者根本不耐用。所以，我非常喜欢我们的赞助商 Wayfair 的一点——顺便说一句，我身后这间休息室的软装也是他们帮忙布置的——就是他们有一套叫作“Wayfair Verified”的认证系统。Wayfair Verified 彻底打消了所有这些疑虑。产品都由 Wayfair 的专业人士亲自把关质量，让你在找到自己心仪之物时能够买得更加踏实放心。所以，如果你正在为家里挑选家具，不管是什么品类，不管是家里的哪间屋子，都可以直接访问 wayfair.com，今天就开启你的家居翻新计划。而且一定要认准使用 Wayfair Verified，体验真的棒极了。 在屏幕下方应该有一个按钮。如果上面写着“已订阅”，说明你已经关注了；如果显示的是“订阅”，那就意味着你还没点。如果你还没订阅，能请你帮我们一个忙，随手点一下那个按钮吗？这给节目带来的支持远超你的想象。而且根据算法推荐，你经常收看我们的节目，但至今还没有点那个按钮。非常感谢大家！ 当时有没有过这样一个瞬间，你心想：“妈……”你之前提到过，自己总会有这样的时刻，有那么一件事你想告诉妈妈，因为这在某种程度上证明了你是对的？到底有没有过这样的时刻？
Original English **Host**: Listen, I've been catfished by furniture my whole life where something has looked fantastic in the picture, whether it's a sofa or whatever it might be and I order it and I get so excited and then it comes and it's something entirely different. The quality was significantly different to what it said or looked like online or the the texture was different or or it it didn't hold up in the same way. And so one of the things that I love about our sponsor Wayfair, who have helped us fit out our green room, which is in the room behind me, is they have this system called Wayfair Verified. Wayfair Verified takes away all of that second guessing. Products are hand vetted by Wayfair specialists for quality so you can feel more confident when you found the thing that you love. So if you're looking for furniture for your house, whatever it might be, any room of your house, go to wayfair.com to start your home refresh today. And make sure you use Wayfair Verified. It is amazing. There should be a button just down below here. And if it says subscribed, you're already subscribed. If it says subscriber, that means you're not yet. And if you're not subscribed, please could you do us a favor and hit that button? It helps the show more than you know. And according to the algorithm, you're someone that watches our show, but you haven't yet hit that button. Thank you so much. Was there a moment when you were like, "Mom..." You know how you were talking about you'd have these moments where you'd be like, there was one thing you told your mom about because this was kind of proof that you were right? Uh, or was there a moment at all?
**嘉宾**：我想你指的是拿到大额支票那种时刻吧。
Original English **Guest**: I think you're saying like a big check moment.
**主持人**：对，就是那种当一个绝佳机会来临，你迫不及待想告诉你妈的时刻，因为突然之间事实证明你是对的，而她原本可能会持怀疑态度。
Original English **Host**: You know, like one of those moments an opportunity comes in and you can't wait to tell your mom because suddenly you were right when she should.
### 永远保持饥饿感：为何功成名就后仍未感到圆满 **嘉宾**：嗯，我确实有过这么一个瞬间。当时大概是在 2022 年左右，可以说是疫情稍微平息之后吧，我在各处都开始获得更多关注和热度。我跑去告诉我妈，说有位明星转发了我，我当时兴奋得不行，我说：“天哪，居然有大明星转发了我的内容！”而她的反应却是：“天哪。”接着她问：“那现在会怎样呢？他们艾特你了吗？有人顺着关注你了吗？”我说：“没有，他们没艾特我，就只是转发了那个视频而已。”她又问：“那这里面有新的机会吗？比如你接下来会去拍个片子吗？你会跟他们合作做点什么吗？”我说：“没有没有没有，他们就只是单纯转了我的视频。”她紧接着说：“那然后呢？”我顿时愣住了：“呃，那我又回到起点从头开始了。”所以说，我父母特别擅长把事情剖析到底、打回现实。因此，你永远都不会真正觉得自己圆满了。面对任何事情你都不会有彻底的满足感，因为你永远在琢磨：好吧，这次机会确实很棒，但下一步又是什么？
Original English **Guest**: Well, well, well, I had one moment. I went I went like quote unquote at the time. It might have been 2022, like kind of after CO died down. I was gaining a little bit more traction everywhere. And I had told her that a a celebrity had posted me and I was so excited. I was like, "Oh my god, a celebrity posted me." And she was like, "Oh my god." She's like, "So, so she's like, "So what happens now? Did they did they tag you in it? Did people follow you?" I was like, "No, they didn't tag me. It's just they just posted the video." She's like, "Did like is there opportunity? Like are you going to shoot like a video? Are you doing anything with them?" I was like, "No, no, no. They just they just reposted my video." And she's like, "Now what?" And I'm like, "Well, I'm back to square one." And it's like, yeah, my parents were big on breaking things down. So, you feel never really fulfilled. You don't feel fulfilled with anything because you are always trying to figure out, okay, this opportunity is great, but what's next?
**主持人**：那你现在对自己的工作有满足感、感到圆满了吗？
Original English **Host**: Do you feel fulfilled with your work now?
**嘉宾**：没有，还没呢。我还太年轻了。前面的路还长得很呢，老兄，差得太远了。看看金·凯瑞（Jim Carrey）取得了怎样的成就，看看艾迪·墨菲（Eddie Murphy），老兄，看看克里斯·法利（Chris Farley）的建树，还有亚当·桑德勒（Adam Sandler）。兄弟，这些顶尖的人物……
Original English **Guest**: No, not yet. Too young. It's it's too much more to go, man. Way too much. Look what Jim Carrey did. Look at Eddie Murphy, man. Look what uh Chris Farley has achieved. Adam Sandler, man. These guys are
**主持人**：但你现在感到快乐吗？
Original English **Host**: Are you happy though?
**嘉宾**：我非常快乐，我打心底里感到快乐。但要是说功成圆满？绝没有。我还有太多事情要去做了。
Original English **Guest**: I'm very happy. I'm very happy. But fulfilled? No. I have so much more.
**主持人**：难道一个人就不可能在感到满足的同时，依然保持前进与追求的状态吗？
Original English **Host**: Is it not possible to be fulfilled and also to be in pursuit?
**嘉宾**：你的意思是，这二者有办法兼得？
Original English **Guest**: Is there a way you're saying to be both?
**主持人**：对啊。比如说对自己拥有的感到充实满足，同时……
Original English **Host**: Yeah. Like to be fulfilled with
**嘉宾**：不可能，你的饥饿感必须永远鲜活地存在。任何真正追求……
Original English **Guest**: No, your hunger has to always continue to live. Any anybody that's pursuing
**主持人**：……你这是在敷衍我呢，兄弟。
Original English **Host**: me like nice try, man.
**嘉宾**：算你说了句漂亮话。但任何追求卓越的人都绝不会告诉你他们的饥饿感已经熄灭了。这股劲头必须不断地持续下去。绝不可能停下来，老兄，绝无可能。
Original English **Guest**: Nice try. But anybody that is pursuing greatest will never tell you that the hunger has stopped. It has to continuously keep going. There's there's no way. No way, man.
### 德雷克 MV 带来的转折：从堆满样衣到商业变现 **主持人**：那么，回到你人生中还借住在母亲家里的那个阶段收个尾。
Original English **Host**: So, closing off in this period of your life where you're still at your mom's house.
**主持人**：那种状况是什么时候改变的？是在哪个时刻你突然意识到：“我终于有能力搬出去住了”？
Original English **Host**: When did that change? What was the moment where you were like, I can leave now?
**嘉宾**：当时我的衣服全都堆在客厅里，因为各大品牌开始疯狂给我寄各种周边和样衣。你知道的，在那个时候人人都成了所谓的“网红”。他们会给网红寄送大批大批的衣服，希望你在下一条视频里或者不管你在干什么时能穿上展示。所以这些衣服全都堆在我妈家的餐厅区域——我都不能说是客厅，其实就是屋子前侧的餐厅。后来我开始赚到了一些钱，到了那个程度我心想：“好吧，也许我现在得找个公寓了，既然手里有了一笔钱，我终于可以从这里搬出去了。”但我想，正是当我把那个餐厅塞得水泄不通的时候，我开始意识到，好吧，我现在有条件独立生活了。 不过，真正改变我人生的契机，是德雷克（Drake）打电话找我去拍《Laugh Now Cry Later》的音乐录影带。在那之后，一切都发生了翻天覆地的转变，因为各大品牌终于开始严肃认真地看待我了。再也不是那种“免费寄点衣服”、“哎呀你能拿到这件赠品”，或者“我们邀请你来参加这个活动，只要你露个面就能免费入场”。现在所有的合作都进入了真金白银的商业交易层面。一旦我被放到了更高的舞台上，你看，当时有德雷克，我记得好像还有利尔·德克（Lil Durk），还有马肖恩·林奇（Marshawn Lynch）、凯文·杜兰特（Kevin Durant）、小奥德尔·贝克汉姆（Odell Beckham Jr.），他们全都在那支 MV 里，而我跟他们平起平坐，负责全片最重要的喜剧笑点担当。这支叫做《Laugh Now Cry Later》的视频，其意义远远超越了单纯……
Original English **Guest**: Well, I had all my clothes stacked in the living room because I people started to send me so many merch clothes, you know, when you become, you know, at the time like everybody's an influencer. They they would send influencers all type of loads of clothes. They want you to wear it in your next video or whatever you're doing. So, I had all these clothes stacked up in her like dining room area. I wouldn't even say living room. It was like the dining room in the front of the house. And I started to kind of make some money to where I was like, "All right, maybe I need to find like an apartment now that now I have some type of money, I can actually get out of here." But I think me crowding up that dining room, I started to notice, okay, now I can kind of live on my own. But it wasn't until I started to actually the thing that changed my life at the time was Drake calling for the Laugh Now Cry Later music video. Everything shifted after that because brands started to take me seriously. It wasn't no more send in free merch and oh you get this or we'll bring you out to this event and we just want your appearance and you can get in free. Now it's transactional with everything. Once I was seen on a higher level with you know Drake is I think at the time Lil Durk we had Marshawn Lynch Kevin Durant Odell Beckham Jr. all in this video alongside with me and me being the comedic relief in this video which was called Laugh Now Cry Later. This meant a lot more than just
**主持人**：……超越了普通的一支音乐录影带。当时得知他亲自打电话找你时，你人在哪里？
Original English **Host**: another music video. Where where were you when you found that out that he had called?
**嘉宾**：没有，他之前一直就很喜欢我早期发布的很多搞笑内容。但在那之前，其实根本没有任何真正的收入进账，可以说一分钱都没有。但那支 MV 改变了一切，因为各大品牌开始从更广阔的视角来审视我。他们开始把我当作一个真正的明星来看待，而不是成群结队做搞笑段子的人群里微不足道的普通一员。
Original English **Guest**: No, he just he just was a was a big fan of a lot of the stuff I was posting during that early time, but it wasn't until then no real money was coming in. No money at all. But that that shifted everything because brands started to see me in a broader light. Um, and they started to see me as an actual star, so to say, instead of just another amongst all these other guys who are doing comedic things, you know.
**主持人**：但当时你们是通过私信直接联系的吗？
Original English **Host**: But were you speaking to him directly on DMs or something?
**嘉宾**：对，当时完全是通过私信来往，直到后来我当面见到他。但在此之前，基本上就是非常简短的互动，看看这个视频哈哈大笑，看看那个视频乐呵一阵，觉得这个好玩、那个搞笑。然后，当他正式通知我要在这支 MV 里担纲主演时，我们进行了一次推心置腹的长谈。那次谈话主要是关于引领这一代人的喜剧潮流，以及在那个时代我对这个世界所代表的意义。我当时听着他的话，心想：“天哪，这家伙不会只是在吹捧我吧。在我眼里，他可是不折不扣的超级巨星、天王巨星，能从这样的人嘴里听到这番话，简直太不可思议了。”但说真的，这真的是那种你一辈子都无法回报的恩情，老兄。在那个时候，我不过是在做一些自以为很棒的搞怪傻事，他却愿意在我身上押下赌注。现在回想起来，我当时确实有些不错的创作，但跟现在所做的事情相比实在太微不足道了。
Original English **Guest**: Yeah, it was just all through DM at the time. Um, up until I met him. But yeah, all that was like it was very just short back and forth laughing at this video, laugh at that video, find this funny, find that funny. And then we had like a long conversation once he told me that I would be starring in that music video. And that was just about like leading this generation of comedy and just what I am to, you know, the world at the time. And and then I'm I'm hearing his words. I'm like, "Yo, maybe this dude's just gassing me up. I don't This is This is wild to hear from somebody who is in my eyes a full-blown superstar, mega star." But yeah, could that that's one of those things is just like could never repay him, man. Like that was to take a chance on me at the time just doing silly stuff of what I I thought was great. But at the time it was so looking back I've had great stuff, but it's like so minimal to what I do now. It's like
**嘉宾**：我真不敢相信在那种境遇下他竟然会选择信任我、给我这个机会。但这确实彻底颠覆了我的人生轨迹。
Original English **Guest**: I can't believe he took a chance, you know, on me in that circumstance. But it it shifted everything.
**主持人**：这种改变几乎是立竿见影的。
Original English **Host**: It shifted everything almost immediately.
**嘉宾**：几乎是瞬间发生的，确实如此。我觉得人们对我的态度变得严肃认真得多了，不再只是找我过去随便捧个场。
Original English **Guest**: Almost immediately. Yeah. I think it was it was almost a more of a seriousness that people took me more than just showing up for things.
**主持人**：嗯。
Original English **Host**: Mhm.
**嘉宾**：商业性质的商务洽谈随之全面铺开。
Original English **Guest**: You know, the transactional conversation started to go into play.
### 娱乐业的底层逻辑：人际关系与信任的建立 **主持人**：当你回顾自己的成长轨迹，并听到其他人的奋斗历程时，关于成功的要素，你还学到了什么？我们都知道必须有痴迷、有奉献、有无数时间的倾注。但商业运作的那一面呢？一个人究竟该如何一步步往上爬？靠的是人脉吗？还是得在圈子里认识特定的大人物？
Original English **Host**: When you look back on your arc and you hear about other people's journeys and arcs, what else have you learned about again what it takes? There's the obsession, there's the dedication, there's the hours. What about like the business part? Like how do you climb ladders? Is it people? Is it knowing a guy?
**嘉宾**：归根结底全靠人际关系。即便在那些级别最高的大公司大机构里，绝大多数时候靠的也都是人际关系。当然，你的个人才华占了很大分量，但人际关系绝对是重中之重。
Original English **Guest**: It's all all relationships. Even in the biggest buildings, majority of it is relationships. Of course, your talent weighs a lot, but relationships are very much key.
**主持人**：对于那些完全不了解这些大机构内部运作规则的普通人来说，这句话具体意味着什么？
Original English **Host**: What does that mean for someone that has no idea what goes on in these buildings?
**嘉宾**：人际关系之所以至关重要，是因为这些决策者想确切知道你是一个相处起来让人感觉良好的人。他们想弄清楚，如果你要来领衔主演我的 T-Mobile 商业广告，我们想先和你一起吃个晚饭，想看看你究竟是个怎样的人。他们想确保在我们把这么重大的项目托付给你之后，你绝不会转头就跑到外面去做出任何出格或失控的荒唐事。毕竟你的形象将铺天盖地出现在全美所有的电视屏幕上。我们必须能够信任你……
Original English **Guest**: Relationship is key because these people want to know that you are a good person to be around. They want to know if if you're going to be starring in my T-Mobile commercial, we want to have dinner with We want to see if what type of person you are. They want to make sure you're not a guy that's going to go out and do nothing wild after we trust you with this. You're going to be all over TV. We trust you
### 跨界商业合作的底层逻辑：真实人品重于明星光环 **Druski**：……在面对这些商业合作事务时。比方说，我们和你签下了耐克（Nike）的代言合约，或者你接到了T-Mobile的商业代言。在与这些大品牌高层打交道时，一切归根结底全在于人际关系与为人处世——在于你认识谁，在于你如何尊重和对待别人。他们非常看重并且擅长去感知：当脱离了舞台聚光灯和明星名人的光环后，在一个独立的、真实的日常私人环境中，你究竟是一个怎样的人。
Original English **Druski**: ...with these things. You we sign you to a Nike deal. You're in a T-Mobile deal. You these people. It's all about relationship. Who you know, how you treat people. They they like to sense what type of person you are in a separate environment from who you are as the celebrity.
**主持人**：Drew，
Original English **Host**: Drew,
**Druski**：你懂我的意思吧？大家往往都想在我们正式把你推向我们的商业圈子和公众舞台之前，先看清生活里最真实原本的你究竟是怎样的。品牌方想要亲眼了解作为一个普通个体的你，拥有怎样的人格品性。我觉得这在很大程度上得益于我的成长经历——我的童年和少年时期始终沉浸在一个极其宽广多元的视野与环境之中，身边接触着形形色色不同族裔、不同文化、不同性别的人。我们街坊邻里和生活圈里有印度裔、墨西哥裔、白人、黑人、非洲裔、牙买加裔，凡是你能想象到的群体几乎全都涵盖在内。正是这样多元丰富的成长环境塑造了我，让我日后走进那些跨国一线大品牌的会议室时，能够游刃有余、落落大方地与任何层级的人自如交流沟通。
Original English **Druski**: You know what I'm saying? Like people tend to want to meet who the real you is before we present you to our world. We want to see who you are as a person. So I feel like a lot of my upbringing was around this broad horizon of different ethnicities, different genders of everybody. We had Indian people, Mexican, white, black, African, Jamaican, everything you could ever think would count. So that type of stuff shaped me to be able to go in these rooms with these bigger brands and be able to talk to anybody.
**主持人**：你当时必须特意去后天学习这种处事之道吗？从你原来成长打拼的地方走出来，突然坐进装潢考究的高档会议室，面对这些美国主流企业界西装革履的商业精英与跨国集团高管，你是否经历过一个逼迫自己走向成熟、或是专门磨练适应技能的阵痛过程？
Original English **Host**: Did you have to learn to do that? Did you have to mature or learn a skill of coming from where you come from to be in a room with these big brands and these people in suits in corporate America?
**Druski**：并没有，兄弟。这事其实挺有意思的，因为我打小生来一直都是个特别自来熟、极擅长与人相处的人。
Original English **Druski**: Nah, man. It's funny because I always have been a people person.
**主持人**：嗯。
Original English **Host**: Mhm.
**Druski**：就比如我小时候每次跟我妈去杂货超市买东西，只要我在周围看到跟我一起在橄榄球队打球的小伙伴的家长在附近走动，我就会毫无生涩感地直接径直走上前去跟他爸爸搭话，把他逗得哈哈大笑，还会跟他开玩笑说：“嘿，哥们儿，给我来支烟抽抽呗，老兄！快给我拿根烟抽。你最好赶紧去外面抽一口透透气，抽口烟歇歇，哥们儿！”我就这么毫无顾忌、谈笑风生地跟大人侃大山，完全不像是一个只有十岁大的小毛孩。但我深切地认为，这正是我后来在整个娱乐圈和商业行业里悟出的最核心法则：这个行业的本质全在于人际关系与情感联结，在于你怎样真诚对待每一个人。无论是决定去留的关键面试，还是跟某位对你过去的经历和背景可能一无所知、完全不了解你的企业高管共进商务晚餐，最关键的问题永远是：你是否具备与他平视、展开一场真诚走心的一对一面对面交谈的能力？
Original English **Druski**: Like anytime I would as a kid go into a grocery store with my mom, if I saw a kid's parent that plays with me on a football team walking around, I would go up and talk to his dad and make him laugh and joke, like, "Hey, man, give me a cigarette, man. Let me get a cigarette. You better go outside and smoke, smoke a poke, man." And just jokingly talk as if I'm not 10 years old. But I think that is a big part of what I've learned about just the industry in general. It's more about relationships and how you treat people, and how this interview goes, or how this dinner is with this guy who may not know nothing about you. He may not know your background, nothing. Are you able to have a one-on-one conversation with him?
**主持人**：并且在经历任何突发状况、不论聊到多么深入复杂的话题时，都能让他毫无保留地对你建立起充分的信任。
Original English **Host**: And have him trust you in whatever goes down, whatever you're talking about,
**Druski**：核心就在于——你到底骨子里是不是一个善良正直的好人？我认为不论你在做什么行业、达成多大的成就，一切归根结底都必须回归到这一个根本的基石上。
Original English **Druski**: Are you a good person? And I think it comes down to that regardless of anything you do.
### 喜剧尺度的平衡艺术：品牌安全与“绝不向下冒犯”原则 **主持人**：确实如此。所以这里面存在一个非常耐人寻味的戏剧性张力：当你与美国主流商界打交道、接触你刚才提到的T-Mobile以及其他诸多一线主流商业巨头时，他们接触到的，是镜头之外在晚宴上与他们谈笑风生、彬彬有礼的Drew；但紧接着在聚光灯与摄像机镜头前，他们看到的又是那个火力全开的Druski。而作为镜头前的喜剧人Druski，你作品最具标志性的特质之一就是极其大胆、勇于突破常规界限，你总是毫不掩饰地把现实中绝大多数人心知肚明却不敢公开说出口的真相大声讲出来。那么，你在内容创作上到底秉持着怎样的决策框架？因为你知道，我曾经在广告和公关传播领域工作过很长一段时间，行业里有一个极其严苛的核心术语叫作“品牌安全”（brand safety）——其核心考量就是：
Original English **Host**: Yeah. So, it's interesting because when you're dealing with like corporate America and you're dealing with these big brands and you mentioned T-Mobile and all these other brands, you've got this sort of off-camera Drew guy who meets them for the dinner, but then you got Druski on camera. And Druski on camera, part of your comedy is you really like push the boat out. You say the part out loud that most people wouldn't say. What is your decision framework there? Because there's this term—you know I worked in advertising for a long time—there's this term "brand safety," which means like:
**主持人**：这个人是否经过了充分的公关消毒与品控净化，以至于品牌方能够——借用你刚才用到的那个词——百分之百信任这个人，放心地把品牌的商誉交托给他？但在天平的另一端，大众之所以如此狂热地喜爱你、追捧你，恰恰是因为你敢于直面那些别人讳莫如深的社会现实，毫不留情地一针见血指出来。那么当你在进行内容构思与创作时，你内心的风险评估方程式究竟是怎样的？你在做出取舍时，究竟依靠什么样明确的框架准则来判定某一个题材究竟是可以调侃演绎的幽默，还是绝对不能跨越的红线？
Original English **Host**: Is this person sufficiently sanitized enough that we can—you use the word like "trust"—trust this person with the brand? But then on the other end, the thing that people love about you is you say the part that other people don't say. You point at it. What's your risk equation when you're thinking about content? What's the framework you use to decide whether this is okay or if it's not okay?
**Druski**：毫无疑问，问得太好了，这绝对是一个极具洞察力的高质量问题。我是这样审视我创作中的所有这些考量的——平时只要我在现实生活里遇到观众或粉丝，他们几乎每次也都会当面问我这个问题——我的根本底线是：在我创作的所有笑料和喜剧作品中，我从来都不会去“向下冒犯”（punching down）。我做出的每一个段子、每一个表演，初衷永远是出自一片纯真友善的善良本心。无论是我去参加试镜、拍摄情景讽刺短剧，还是搞任何形式的创作，你哪怕翻遍我的所有过往作品，也绝不可能找出一件能让人指责说：“哦，他这是在居高临下地羞辱霸凌弱者，或者在那个处境里毫无对当事人的包容体谅”，又或者说“他之所以避开这个不谈是因为歧视，或者故意针对那个群体”。我的喜剧艺术永远深深根植于轻松惬意、心怀坦荡的纯善初心。我从来都不是那种喜欢走阴暗、刻薄或恶毒攻击路线的人。现实中确实有那种风格的存在，比如像萨莎·拜伦·科恩（Sacha Baron Cohen）那样的创作者，专门擅长极具攻击性的黑色讽刺幽默，他可能会招致某些当事人的强烈反感与感情伤害，那种幽默或许真的带有一些恶意动机——当然我也不好妄下论断，我从未见过他本人，无法凭空揣测。但我可以确信的是，我自己的绝大多数喜剧幽默，全部源于纯粹善良、充满暖意的善意。
Original English **Druski**: For sure. No, that's a great question. I think the way I look at all of this stuff—and people ask me that all the time in person whenever I see them—is that I've never punched down with any jokes that I ever do. Any jokes I ever do always come from a good-hearted place. Even if I'm doing auditions, a skit that I do, anything. You can never show me something that I've done that was like, "Oh, that's punching down," or that wasn't inclusive of the other person that might have been in that situation, or "Oh, he doesn't touch on this because of that," or he doesn't do that. I always come from a light-hearted place and a good-hearted place of my comedy. I never was the guy to be... because you do have it. You have those guys out there like a Sacha Baron Cohen that has like the dark humor of things, and maybe he might have upset some people, and it might come from a bad place. I don't know. I've never met the guy. I don't know. But I come from a good place with majority of all my humor.
**主持人**：我脑海里刚才正好浮现出了你演那些爆笑讽刺短剧时的鲜明画面。
Original English **Host**: I've just had a mental flash of you doing this.
**Druski**：但即便是在那样的短剧里，哪怕是那种极具张力的夸张表演，一切归根结底依然源于纯正的善意。我自始至终绝不触碰任何政治是非话题，因为归根结底在骨子里，我压根就不是一个热衷于政治议题的人。我从来不是那种跑出去到处装模作样、摆出一副自己对天下大事无所不知模样的公众人物。我就是一个纯粹逗大家开怀大笑的喜剧演员。我对那些严肃、沉重、充满政治斗争的话题丝毫不感兴趣。平时总有人追着问我各种深不可测的严肃宏大命题，我都直接跟他们讲：“嘿老兄，我根本不用那种严肃沉重的方式看世界。”我觉得我所做的只是真实地展现自我，我从没打算把自己卷入任何深奥严肃、带有强烈对抗性的领域中去。
Original English **Druski**: But even then, even with that, it comes from a good place. I didn't touch on anything because, at the same tone, I'm not a political guy. I'm not a guy that's going out here trying to portray this like I know anything about anything. I am just the guy here for laughs, a comedian. I don't care for none of that serious stuff. People ask me all these deep questions, and I'm like, "Yo, I don't look at anything like that." Like, I think I'm just being me. I never was trying to get into no deep side of anything with nothing.
**主持人**：你的立场与风格确实始终如一、高度契合。这也是为什么我此前特意把你过往创作的所有短剧全部仔仔细细看了一遍，我当时心里就在由衷感慨：他的作品与自身的价值观内核是如此一致，你从来不把矛头指向任何特定的具体个人，你只是在精准捕捉并指出——
Original English **Host**: You are consistent. That's why I went through, I was going through all of your skits, and I was thinking he's consistent with your values and what you're not aiming at anyone in particular. You're just pointing at...
**Druski**：——指出那些显而易见、人人皆知的滑稽荒诞之处，绝不“向下冒犯”。这一点无论怎么强调都不为过。人们永远找不出我的任何一条视频能证明说：“看啊，他这是在居高临下地霸凌取乐，这是出于恶意中伤。”恰恰相反，我永远是由衷、真诚地去呈现那些本身就足够好笑的生活片段、那些微妙生动的行为习惯与神态动作，或者我在日常细致观察人群时捕捉到的人性百态；换言之，就是把那些我们在现实生活里明明经常亲眼目睹、但在日常意识中却未曾留意觉察的世间百态，重新呈现在全世界面前。
Original English **Druski**: ...the funny obvious. Not punching down. That's a big one. People can never show me anything where it's like, "Okay, he's punching down at this. This is coming from a bad place." It's always me genuinely just speaking on what's funny, or mannerisms, or things that I see people do when I'm people-watching, or just exposing things to the world that we see that we don't notice that we see.
**主持人**：对，没错，正是这样。
Original English **Host**: Yeah. Yeah.
**Druski**：而且所有这些内容跟政治派系争斗、跟种族议题对立那些杂音彻底无关。它们完完全全就是我们眼皮底下真实上演、每天都在发生的现实生活细节。有时优秀的喜剧演员恰恰有一种敏锐独特的魔力，能够向观众展示出某种他们早已见过、但自己甚至都没意识到自己注意到了的生活瞬间。那段记忆可能早已被封存在你大脑的最深处，而优秀的演员能把它栩栩如生地带回到现实舞台上，让你瞬间拍案叫绝：“天哪，我十五年前可能就在哪里见过这个场景，但这也太逗了，因为我真真切切在记忆里重现了那一刻！”你能赋予这些生活本真以鲜活顽强的生命力，这正是一个伟大的喜剧演员所能展现的非凡造诣。
Original English **Druski**: And it has nothing to do with the political side or the race side and all that stuff. It's just stuff that's going on in real life that we see. Sometimes comedians have a way of showing the viewer something that they don't notice that they see. It could be in the back of your brain and you can bring it to life and be like, "Wow, I might have saw that 15 years ago, but that's funny because I remember seeing that." You bring these things to life. This is what a great comedic actor does.
### 超越党派偏见：纯粹的探索欲与中立对话 **主持人**：我觉得这里面或许蕴含着一个非常深刻的现实道理：如果在某一个时刻，政治光谱上的左右两翼阵营都曾因为你的调侃段子而对你大发雷霆、暴跳如雷，这在某种程度上反而确凿无误地证明了你绝非任何政治派系的附庸或喉舌。
Original English **Host**: I think there's probably something in the fact that if both sides at some point are angry at you or shouting at you for doing something, at least that means that you're not politically affiliated necessarily...
**Druski**：因为我甚至根本连那些复杂的政治套路都搞不明白，我压根就从来不沾染任何政治纷争或党派站队。
Original English **Druski**: Because you don't even know what... I don't even touch on none of that political or...
**主持人**：但这同时也恰恰意味着，你是在普天之下所有的角落与生活层面上无差别地寻找幽默的真谛，而不是带有偏见地专挑某个特定阵营冷嘲热讽，或者刻意避重就轻地只去调侃另一方。
Original English **Host**: But it means that you're just finding things funny everywhere versus just finding them funny over there or just finding them funny over there.
**Druski**：我对此深表赞同。我觉得我骨子里从来就没有过那种去挑动政治对立的欲望。不可否认现实中确实有人以此为业，比如很多深夜脱口秀节目整天翻来覆去只盯着这类政治题材，或者某些艺人把政治讽刺当成他们唯一的招牌卖点。但这绝不是我的路线和风格。
Original English **Druski**: I agree. I think I just... I've never had the want to do that. And some people, like you have these late night shows that talk about that type of stuff, or you know these guys that that's their spill. That's not my spill.
**主持人**：我也感同身受，我同样对那些派系斗争毫无兴趣。他们确实把那当成全副看家本领。但我能深切感受到，在你的身上，你从来不会——
Original English **Host**: Same with me, I don't have... Yeah. They touch on that stuff. And I feel like with you, you never...
**Druski**：——从来不会在那些政治论调里越陷越深。你把发言权完全留给对方，任由他们尽情表达，而你只提自己内心真正怀有好奇的问题，任由谈话按照它最本真的轨迹自然展开。
Original English **Druski**: ...get too in-depth with any of that. You let them talk and you just ask whatever you're going to ask, and it just happens how it's going to happen.
**主持人**：一点没错。无论是面对米歇尔·奥巴马（Michelle Obama）、J·D·万斯（JD Vance）、伊万卡·特朗普（Ivanka Trump）还是卡玛拉·哈里斯（Kamala Harris），我全都与他们坐下来促膝长谈过。无论对方是谁、处于政治光谱的哪一端，我都一视同仁地平视他们，向他们提出我心中真正想要探寻的问题。而且——
Original English **Host**: Yeah. And I'll sit with Michelle Obama or JD Vance or Ivanka Trump or Kamala Harris. I've sat with all of them. I'll sit with all of them and I'll ask the questions I'm curious about. And...
**主持人**：而且我相信，只要怀揣着纯粹的好奇心去探索和沟通，这是完全行得通的。
Original English **Host**: I think it's possible just to be curious, you know. So,
**Druski**：我完全认同这种看法。
Original English **Druski**: I agree.
### 特朗普与保守派模仿视频的风波始末 **主持人**：不过话又说回来，前阵子听起来特朗普似乎真的在公开场合授意埃里卡·柯克（Erica Kirk）去正式起诉你。
Original English **Host**: Sounded like Trump did ask Erica Kirk to sue you though.
**Druski**：但你肯定……这整件事简直荒谬疯狂得难以置信。
Original English **Druski**: But you must be... This is crazy.
**Druski**：我都不知道这传闻到底是不是真的，我完全吃不准。
Original English **Druski**: I don't know if that's true though. I don't know.
**主持人**：但看起来真像那么回事，各方迹象表面上确实如此。我当时刚看到这则新闻时，脑子里第一个念头就是：这绝不可能，绝对不可能有这种离奇荒唐的事情，怎么可能会是真的呢？然而事实梳理起来是这样的：在今年三月份的时候，你发布了一则生动讽刺“美国保守派白人女性言谈举止与做派风格”的模仿短视频，一经推出就瞬间轰动全网，直接爆砍数以亿计的超级天量播放。我自己当时甚至翻来覆去看了大概——
Original English **Host**: It looks like it. It looks like it. I read it and I thought that can't be, there's no way that's true. There's no way that's true. Here we go: in March, you released a video of how conservative white women in America act, and it did hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of millions of views. I think I watched it like...
**Druski**：太疯狂了，看了整整二十遍。
Original English **Druski**: Insane. 20 times.
**Druski**：老兄，那热度和数据简直太不可思议、太疯狂了。
Original English **Druski**: Insane, man. Insane.
**主持人**：紧接着到了四月份，仅仅过了刚好整整一周之后，特朗普就在公开集会活动中当场对埃里卡·柯克发表评论说，她应该把那个人告上法庭、让他吃官司。虽然特朗普当时在话语里并没有指名道姓点出究竟是谁——
Original English **Host**: And then in April, exactly one week later, Trump made the comment to Erica Kirk that she should sue him. He didn't say who,
**主持人**：但我只想说，明眼人一看就知道——
Original English **Host**: but I'm just saying that is...
**Druski**：谁又能真正说得准呢？我压根都不知道他究竟是不是冲着我来的。
Original English **Druski**: Who knows? I don't know if he was talking about me.
**主持人**：他还能是在影射谁呢？
Original English **Host**: Who was he talking about?
**Druski**：我真不知道是不是在针对我。哪怕直到今天，我都完全是一头雾水。当时铺天盖地的人都把那段视频转发给我看，我当时心里只是纳闷，完全吃不准这到底是不是在借题发挥针对我。我干脆……
Original English **Druski**: I don't know about me. To this day, I have no idea. But people sent me that video. I just didn't know if it was pertaining towards me. I just...
**主持人**：这事态确实匪夷所思。
Original English **Host**: It's crazy.
**Druski**：我干脆就彻底置之不理、没去管它。我对此真的毫不知情，彻底一头雾水，我真的完全不知道。
Original English **Druski**: Just left it alone. I have no idea. I have no idea. I don't know. I don't know.
**主持人**：但这整起事件确实太离奇震撼了。
Original English **Host**: That's crazy though.
**主持人**：不过从某种难以言喻的奇妙角度来看，这恰恰以一种极其戏剧化的方式，充分证明了你的喜剧作品在当今社会上所引发的巨大共鸣与深远影响力。
Original English **Host**: But even in a weird way, it does speak to the impact that your work is having.
**Druski**：如果……
Original English **Druski**: If...
### 特朗普扬言起诉的风波 **Druski**：……如果他真那么做了，我也不知道他到底是不是认真的。
Original English **Druski**: ...if he was, I don't know if he was though. You...
**主持人**：你其实挺希望他是认真的吧。
Original English **Interviewer**: You hope he was.
**Druski**：你说我希望他是认真的？我可一点都不想被任何人起诉，我绝对不期待发生那种事。不，兄弟，真的不，绝对不想。
Original English **Druski**: You hope he was? I'm not looking to get sued by nobody. I'm not looking forward to that. No. No, man. No. For sure. No.
**主持人**：从某种奇怪的角度来看，这难道不算是一种夸奖或者恭维吗？
Original English **Interviewer**: Is it a compliment in a weird way?
**Druski**：呃，倒也未必。我完全不希望被任何人起诉。我们手头正在全力推进的事情太多了，根本没心思去招惹那种麻烦。完全不期待，一点都不。
Original English **Druski**: Uh, not necessarily. I don't think I would be looking to get sued by anybody. We have too much that we're pursuing right now to be looking forward to that. No, not at all.
**主持人**：那真是太疯狂了。不过仔细想想，这整件事确实极其魔幻：我脑海里一边浮现出你当年裹着你妹妹的毯子缩在房间里做视频的样子，另一边又浮现出特朗普在白宫里喊着“给我起诉他”的画面，这简直太不可思议了。
Original English **Interviewer**: That's crazy. Hey, I love how you like—that's crazy. No, but that is, it's crazy thinking about it. I'm like thinking about you in that room with your sister's blanket, and then I just had this mental image of Trump in the White House like "sue him," which is just—that's crazy.
**Druski**：我也不知道该怎么说，兄弟。
Original English **Druski**: I don't know man.
**主持人**：在某种奇妙的层面上，这其实挺让人备受鼓舞的。
Original English **Interviewer**: Kind of inspiring in a weird way.
**Druski**：不，但我其实觉得他那话并不是冲着我来的。按照你的说法……
Original English **Druski**: No, but I don't think that was towards me. You're saying...
**主持人**：我倒觉得就是冲着你来的，我觉得就是。
Original English **Interviewer**: I think it was. I think it was.
**Druski**：好吧，在有人当面去问他之前，我们永远都不会知道真相。
Original English **Druski**: Well, we'll never know until someone asks him.
### 跨界跃升与误发给我的天价合同 **主持人**：不过话说回来，从那之后，你的事业取得了令人难以置信的发展。你真正做到了一件极少数从互联网内容起步的创作者能够做到的事——那就是成功横跨多个行业与媒介。我觉得现在到处都能看到你的身影，包括各种商业大片广告。你是不是还参与了超级碗广告？
Original English **Interviewer**: But I mean, yeah. So since then, you've had an unbelievable career. And you've really managed to do something that very few people who start out making content on the internet are able to do, which is traverse multiple industries and mediums. I feel like I've seen you everywhere from commercials. Did you do the Super Bowl?
**Druski**：没错，我们拍了超级碗广告。
Original English **Druski**: Yeah, we did a Super Bowl commercial.
**主持人**：去年是 Dunkin' Donuts（唐恩都乐）的超级碗广告，今年则是跟后街男孩（Backstreet Boys）一起合作的 T-Mobile 广告。
Original English **Interviewer**: Last year it was Dunkin' Donuts Super Bowl commercial. This year it was T-Mobile with the Backstreet Boys.
**Druski**：对，去年是唐恩都乐，今年是后街男孩。
Original English **Druski**: This Dunkin' Donuts commercial... yeah.
**主持人**：说到那个唐恩都乐的广告，我听说过一个离谱的故事：他们是不是不小心把给金·凯瑞（Jim Carrey）的薪酬报价单发到你这儿了？
Original English **Interviewer**: Yeah. Yeah. I heard this crazy story that they accidentally sent you Jim Carrey's money.
**Druski**：金·凯瑞的钱？不，他们没有把钱打给我，而是发了一封电子邮件，里面写明了他去拍摄那一两个小时能拿到多少酬劳。
Original English **Druski**: Jim Carrey's? No, they didn't send the money. They sent an email showing how much he would be getting paid for that hour.
**主持人**：天哪。
Original English **Interviewer**: Oh.
**Druski**：就是他在片场待上两个小时的报酬，简直令人咋舌。按规定他们绝对不该泄露这份文件的，他们甚至因为我公开谈论这件事而非常生气。但金·凯瑞本人根本没去拍摄，我觉得他甚至从来就没答应接这个邀约。然而他们却误把它发给了我，大概是以为发给了金·凯瑞的经纪团队吧。结果他们发到了我的经纪团队手里，误把发给他的邀约方案寄给了我们。
Original English **Druski**: Or the two hours that he was there. Insane. And they weren't supposed to. They were actually mad that I even spoke on that. But he didn't even show up. I don't think he ever said yes to it. But they accidentally sent it to me assuming that it was, I guess, Jim Carrey's management. They sent it to my management and I think they accidentally sent the proposal.
**Druski**：那份方案原本应该是给他的。更有可能的是，他们甚至把我这边的方案错发给了他，而把他的方案错发给了我！我简直不敢想象，要是他看到我拿到的片酬数额会作何感想，说不定这就是他最终没接的原因呢！金·凯瑞到底有没有看到我的报价单？我能拿到多少钱？这我就不得而知了。但不管怎么说，那确实是一笔天文数字。我当时就觉得：“哇，这太震撼了。”这真正给了我巨大的动力和启发，让我渴望未来某一天也能达到那样的行业水准。
Original English **Druski**: Which was supposed to be for him, and they might have sent my proposal to him, but his proposal to me. I can only imagine if he saw the amount I was getting. That's probably why he didn't do this! Did anybody see—did Jim Carrey see the proposal, how much I was getting paid? I don't know, I don't know. But yeah. No, it was an insane amount of money. And I was like, "Wow." That gives me a lot of inspiration to become on that level one day.
**主持人**：坊间传闻说那个数额大概在 500 万美元左右？
Original English **Interviewer**: People are saying it was in the region of $5 million.
**Druski**：差不多就是那个数。
Original English **Druski**: It's around that.
**主持人**：500 万美元。
Original English **Interviewer**: Yeah.
**Druski**：仅仅是两个小时的拍摄。
Original English **Druski**: For two hours of shooting.
**主持人**：他们把那个数字错发给了你，所以你亲眼见识到了他拍两个小时能拿到多少报酬。
Original English **Interviewer**: And they sent you that figure so you got to see what he was being paid for two hours, which is...
**Druski**：但愿他没看到我那份，要是看到了可就太令人尴尬了。
Original English **Druski**: He didn't see mine cuz that would have been embarrassing.
**主持人**：相当于拍商业广告一小时 250 万美元，而他竟然拒绝了。
Original English **Interviewer**: So that's a $2.5 million an hour to shoot a commercial, and he said no.
**Druski**：他回绝了。所以你可以想象，他真正追求的到底是什么层面的东西。
Original English **Druski**: He said no. So imagine what he wants.
**主持人**：而且我不觉得他追求的仅仅是金钱。
Original English **Interviewer**: And I'm not sure if it's money.
### 纯粹的艺术匠心：金·凯瑞的启示 **Druski**：没错，这正是我对他无比敬佩的地方。他是那种绝不会一看到巨额支票就点头同意的人。他是那种真心实意在乎自己的表演技艺与艺术遗产的艺术家。你看，他到现在都还没接拍《圣诞怪杰 2》（The Grinch 2）。我知道现在可能已经在筹备开拍了，但在上周之前，他们从来没有官方宣布过要拍《圣诞怪杰 2》。所以，过去他是想要更多的片酬吗？还是说这根本就不是钱的事，而是他纯粹不想去炒冷饭拍续集？你永远无法确切知晓。但我能感受到，他对自己的每一个作品、每一个决定都有着极度挑剔和执着的标准。你看过当年在《活色生香》（In Living Color）里的“消防局长比尔”（Fire Marshal Bill）吗？
Original English **Druski**: Yeah. And that is something I look up to him about. He's one of those guys that doesn't look at a money sign and just say yes to. He's one of those guys that genuinely cares about his craft and his legacy. He still hasn't done a Grinch 2 yet. I know they're shooting it right now, but up to this date, until last week, they didn't announce that they were shooting Grinch 2. So, how much money was he wanting before? Or was it even about money? Or did he just not want to do another one? You never know. I don't know. But I feel like he's very specific about everything that he does. You ever seen Fire Marshall Bill from In Living Color?
**主持人**：没有看过。
Original English **Interviewer**: No.
**Druski**：天哪，那你真得去看看，你完全想象不到！那个角色简直可以说是“格林奇”形象的雏形！消防局长比尔就像是格林奇诞生前的前瞻预告，甚至连《变相怪杰》（The Mask）里怪诞夸张的肢体与面部风格，都能在那里找到影子。
Original English **Druski**: Oh my god. You have no idea. You haven't seen... That's damn near the beginning of the character of Grinch. Fire Marshall Bill is like the teaser of what the Grinch became. And the mask, it has a twist of The Mask in there, too. But like...
**主持人**：他当时好像是《活色生香》节目里唯一的白人常驻演员吧。
Original English **Interviewer**: He was like the only white person on In Living Color at the time.
**Druski**：那个搞笑安检员的角色。他其实是一个非常有哲学深度的人。
Original English **Druski**: The funny checking guy. He's like very philosophical.
**主持人**：确实如此。
Original English **Interviewer**: For sure.
**Druski**：很有智慧。
Original English **Druski**: Wise.
**主持人**：是的，他是个极有大智慧的人。
Original English **Interviewer**: Yeah, he's very wise man.
**主持人**：你见过他本人吗？
Original English **Interviewer**: Have you met him?
**Druski**：还没见过。总有一天会的。他也是我梦想名单上极度渴望能当面相识的人，兄弟，我真的太想太想见见他了。
Original English **Druski**: Never met him. One day. That's another guy that's on my list that I would love to meet, man. Love, love, love to meet.
### 接连碰壁与把赌注押在自己身上 **主持人**：在谈论像你这样成功的人士时，外界往往很少触及这个行业残酷的一面——那就是一路上所经历的种种被拒。因为在旁观者眼里，你的成名故事很容易被简化成一段顺风顺水的叙事：比如大学时遇到点小坎坷、生活中有过几次挫折，紧接着关键契机出现，在经过一段默默无闻的发帖和积累之后，Drake 一个电话打过来，随后便一飞冲天、功成名就，迎来了大团圆结局。但事实上一路上依然充斥着否定与拒绝。我之前读到报道，说你曾同时遭到网飞（Netflix）和亚马逊（Amazon）的拒绝。
Original English **Interviewer**: Part of the game that we often don't speak about as well with people like yourself is just the rejection along the way, because your story could quite easily be portrayed as this sort of like, you know, bump in the road here, college, a couple issues here, this situation happens, Drake calls after you've spent a long time on your own posting and compounding, and then off to the races. Happy ending. But there's still rejection along the way. I was reading that you were rejected by both Netflix and Amazon.
**Druski**：是的，早期确实如此。
Original English **Druski**: Yeah. Early on.
**主持人**：你当时向他们提案的内容是什么？当时的情形究竟是怎样的？
Original English **Interviewer**: What was the proposal you made to them and what was that?
**Druski**：我觉得我们提交过很多不同的提案，绝不止一次两次。我们年复一年地递交案子：比如我们向 FX 提交过不同的方案，原本我们有望在 FX 开设一档专属节目，结果被否了；我们原本有望跟亚马逊合作一部电影，结果被否了；我们还设想跟网飞合作各种不同的产品与剧集，结果全是一连串的“不行、不行、不行、不行”。但我们从来没有放弃过。 最终我对自己说：如果我已经通过一些商业合作从这些公司手里赚到了钱，与其拿着这笔钱去买豪车、去买另一栋豪宅、或者去买昂贵名贵的珠宝饰品，我不如把所有的钱全都重新投资到自己身上！我下定决心，把自己脑海中构思的所有节目创意，全部搬到 YouTube 上去自己做，自掏腰包砸真金白银来进行制作。 这正是我切切实实付诸实践的事。正是因为这样，才诞生了《Coulda Been Auditions》（海选秀）、诞生了《Coulda Been Love》（恋爱秀）、诞生了《Coulda Been House》（同居秀）和《Coulda Been Daddy》等等一系列内容；就像你在整个“Druski 宇宙”（Druski universe）中所看到的那样，通过我亲自主导的所有短剧与高规格制作，以及我自己投入的数百万美元，把内容推向了一个崭新的高度。我开始全身心地信任自己，而不是转过头去摇尾乞怜，试图把同一个被拒的提案稍微包装润色一下再去求他们。我的态度就是：我要把全部筹码押在自己身上。
Original English **Druski**: I think it was multiple. It wasn't just one time. I think we've years and years of proposals and I had like different FX proposals. Like we were supposed to get a show with FX, it was a no. We're supposed to do a movie with Amazon. It was a no. Supposed to do multiple different products, do Netflix. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And we just never gave up. And I eventually said, if I'm getting money from these companies and they're paying me, instead of going and buying a car or another house or maybe a nice jewelry and all this stuff, I'm going to invest in myself. And I decided to just go and all these show ideas that I had, I'm going to do it on YouTube and spend my own money to invest into it. And that is essentially what I did. And I think that's brought to you Coulda Been Auditions, that's brought to you Coulda Been Love, that's brought to you Coulda Been House, Coulda Been Daddy amongst other things like you've seen in the Druski universe of taking it to another level with all the sketches and the production I've done and the millions of dollars I've spent and all these things. I started to just believe in myself and not turn around and try to, oh I'm going to come back and try to do the same proposal again in a better way. It's like I'm just bet on myself.
**主持人**：然后那些平台就坐不住了。现在局势已经彻底颠倒了——如今反过来是他们迫切想要出巨资买下我们已经做成熟的这些节目，并寻求未来的深度合作。现在甚至演变成了一场多方竞价争夺战。这其中蕴含的深刻教训是什么？
Original English **Interviewer**: And then they—cool. Now it's a whole different story now. Now they want to purchase these shows that we've made and do more in the future. Yeah. So now it's a bidding war. What is the lesson there?
### 坚信自己的愿景：别被行业头衔唬住 **Druski**：这里面唯一的真理就是：你必须坚定不移地相信你自己，兄弟。在任何人看懂你的愿景之前，你自己必须先清晰地看见它。如果你自己都看不到那个蓝图，你根本就是在辜负你自己。一切都必须从你内心的确信开始。 我觉得绝大多数人根本不明白自己手中掌握着什么。每个人都在那里空等：“哎呀，我在等一个演大制作电影的机会呢；我在等我的演艺生涯大突破；一旦他们赏识我，我就会怎样怎样；只要他们给我一个机会，我就如何如何……”他们一直在原地被动等待所谓的良机。 你甚至连自己都不相信啊，兄弟！你去年通过各种七七八八的项目赚了那么多钱，可你连一分钱都没有重新投入到你自己的内容创作中去！你用的依然是同一部老旧手机，拍着同样粗糙的东西。当然，这本身没什么问题，有些创作者对此感到心满意足，创作也确实未必要多昂贵的门槛，我也并不是说人人都必须搞我这样的大制作。但是，如果你根本不肯把资金真金白银地砸进自己的事业里，你凭什么说你在孤注一掷、加倍押注在自己身上？ 这是我曾经不得不严肃质问自己的内心对话。我当时对自己说：“该死，我一定要证明给他们看！但我绝不会委曲求全地回头求他们重新看我的案子，我要靠自己的双手把它做出来，让他们反过来眼馋我做出来的成品！”也许他们最终依然不买账，但也许他们会亲眼见识到我的爆发力和执行力，从而主动找我想做别的大项目。 但在这一路上，你注定会遇到大批所谓的“聪明人”。无论是从他们的亮眼职位、社会地位，还是从他们光鲜亮丽的 LinkedIn 履历来看，他们表面上显然比你懂得多得多，而他们会居高临下地告诉你：你全错了，你的点子根本一文不值。
Original English **Druski**: The lesson there is just believe in yourself, man. Before anybody sees the vision, you have to see it. If you don't see the vision yourself, you're almost doing yourself a disservice. It has to start with you. And I think most people don't understand what they have in front of them. Everybody's like, "Oh, I'm waiting on the big movie. I'm waiting on my big movie break. Once I do it, I'm going to do this. Once they give me an opportunity, I'm waiting on my opportunity. I'm going just keep doing this until they give me..." You don't even believe in yourself, man. All that money you got last year from this and that and all these things, you didn't put not one dime into your content. You still shooting the same with the same phone. And that's cool. Some people are cool with that. You don't need much. Not saying you need the big productions I have. You don't. But are you really doubling down and betting on yourself if you're not investing in your own stuff? And that was a conversation I had to have with myself. And I was like, damn, I'm going to show them not by coming back and doubling back. I'm going to show them by doing it myself and having them wanting what I did in reverse. And maybe they don't want that. Maybe they'll see what I was capable of doing and then wanting to do other things. But along the way, you're going to have to have a lot of smart people for sure who by their job title or their status or their LinkedIn bio evidently know much more than you do telling you that you're wrong. Telling you that that idea is not a good one.
**主持人**：确实是这样。
Original English **Interviewer**: Yeah.
**Druski**：而这正是你必须在脑海中去消化和构建认知的事情：你该如何去应对这种局面？当某家顶级流媒体平台的行业精英当面对你说“不行”时……
Original English **Druski**: And that is something that I guess you have to like conceptualize in your head like how do I deal with that? This smart person at insert streaming platform is telling me no.
**主持人**：对。
Original English **Interviewer**: Yeah.
**Druski**：但我的内心坚信“这完全可行”。而他们……
Original English **Druski**: But I think yes. And they...
**主持人**：有太多太多这样的人了……
Original English **Interviewer**: Plenty, plenty of...
### 大学时期的冷嘲热讽与看似不可逾越的高峰 **Drew**：很多人都曾对我说过“不行”，伙计。甚至包括我之前跟你提过的那些在大学里取笑我的家伙。他们当时总说：“呵，你甚至连双跟我们一起出去玩的体面鞋子都没有，我们干嘛要去载你啊？”就在我差不多还要再去上两周课、也就是快离开学校的那段日子里，我跟那帮家伙说，我打算去尝试追逐喜剧事业。结果他们直接来了一句：“兄弟，得了吧，别开玩笑了，伙计。”他们接着说：“喂，兄弟，你确实挺逗的，但你真没搞笑到那个份儿上。你好好想想自己要面对的竞争对手是谁吧。你要去叫板的可是凯文·哈特（Kevin Hart），或者是像‘喜剧之王’（Kings of Comedy）巡演里的伯尼·麦克（Bernie Mac）那一帮顶尖大咖。动动脑子想想吧，兄弟，人家干出来的事业那是真正的轰动、大体量，那根本是常人无法想象的境地。你甚至连边都沾不上。”时至今日，我永远都不会忘记那场对话，因为当时那不过是他们跟我之间一段轻描淡写的随口闲聊。或许在他们眼里就是一句“切，随便吧”，他们甚至可能早就把那次谈话忘得一干二净了，对他们来说，那完完全全就是一段无关痛痒的闲扯。
Original English **Drew**: People have told me no, man. Even down to the dudes that I was telling you that were making fun of me at the college saying, "Oh, you don't even have no shoes to go out with us. Why would we pick you up?" I told those guys on the the second to last week I kind of was going to classes that I was going to try to pursue comedy and they were like, "Bro, come on, man." They were like, "Yo, you're funny, bro, but you ain't you ain't that funny. Think about what you going up against. You going up against like Kevin Hart or like the Kings of Comedy, Bernie Mack and all these guys. Think about it, bro. What they doing that's big. That's like unfathomable. Like you can't even..." Till that day, I'll never forget that conversation cuz it was like a little side conversation with them. Maybe they was like, "Oh, whatever." They probably might not even remember that convers. It was just like a whatever conversation to them.
**Interviewer**：当他们说出“顺便说一句，德鲁，那些传奇大咖高高在上，而你现在还身处谷底”时，他们说得对吗？
Original English **Interviewer**: Were they right when they said, "By the way, Drew, those legends are up there and you're down here."?
**Drew**：绝无可能，他们完全说错了。
Original English **Drew**: Not a not a shot.
**Interviewer**：他们并不是对的。
Original English **Interviewer**: They weren't right.
**Drew**：一点都不对。早在那个时候我就坚信，而且脑海中已经能预见到那一幕发生的情景了。就像在真正获得登台实践的机会之前，我眼前就已经浮现出未来的生动画面。
Original English **Drew**: Not at all. I believed even then I I could already see it happening. Like I had visions of it already being in front of me before I even got a chance to actually do it.
**Interviewer**：我想我大概也明白你的意思。从理论层面上讲，他们说当时存在巨大的鸿沟或许并没错，但这绝不意味着你无法抹平这一差距。
Original English **Interviewer**: I guess also what I'm saying is like they they they could have been theoretically right that there was a long gap. It's not to say you couldn't close it.
**Drew**：没错，绝对不是说我跨越不了这个差距，我很赞同你的看法。
Original English **Drew**: No. No. There's not to say I couldn't close it. I agree.
**Interviewer**：确实是这样。
Original English **Interviewer**: Yeah.
**Drew**：但那帮人的语气和说辞，听起来就好像这件事情根本没有任何实现的可能性一样。
Original English **Drew**: But what they were saying is almost like as if it wasn't even possible.
**Interviewer**：就好像完全不可能，对，我懂了。他们当时表达的方式简直就像是在说：“得了吧兄弟，产生这种念头未免也太荒唐离谱了。”
Original English **Interviewer**: Possible. Yeah. Okay. The way they put it was almost like, "Come on, man. That's so that's so wild to think."
### 仰望高山与拆解每一步台阶 **Interviewer**：你知道我为什么会提起这个吗？因为现在有太多年轻人正注视着你，或者正在看着某些顶尖体育运动员，亦或是某个头部播客主持人。他们抬头仰望着那座高不可攀的山峰，心里忍不住感慨：“客观来说，那个人就是比我强太多了。”
Original English **Interviewer**: Do you know why I say this is because there's so many kids right now that are looking at you or they're looking at, I don't know, insert sports athlete or insert podcaster and they're going, they're looking up at a mountain top and they're going objectively that person is better than me.
**Interviewer**：对方拥有精湛纯熟的技艺，举手投足间的举止神态无懈可击，肢体语言表达也炉火纯青。中间的差距实在太大了，以至于他们觉得“我干脆连试都懒得去试了”。而这正是我想要探讨的核心：在你的经历中，你是否曾真正察觉到、或者感受到眼前横亘着一道巨大的鸿沟？
Original English **Interviewer**: They have the skills. They have the mannerisms. They have the body language down. Like the gap is so big that I won't even bother. And that's kind of what I'm pointing at is did you ever feel did you ever know the gap was big?
**Drew**：我从来没有把它视作一道不可逾越的天堑。我一直以来的感受是——我来告诉你如果把它看作巨大鸿沟会有什么严重后果——一旦你的大脑被“这个目标太遥远、根本不可能企及”的思维定式所禁锢，你的整个前行历程就会陷入停滞，你甚至根本不会去设想通往那里的一个个具体步骤究竟该如何迈出。
Original English **Drew**: I never looked at it like it was a big gap. I always felt because when what I'm going to tell you the the problem with looking at it like it's a big gap. Once you process your brain of thinking this is so far unattainable, the journey becomes not even like you're not even thinking these steps could happen.
**Drew**：通往卓越的路上必定存在一个个具体的步骤。因此，在我眼中，尽管那些前辈名宿都极其伟大，他们各自达成了令人惊叹的非凡成就，我也打心底里崇敬他们每一个人，但我内心深知这个成就是可以达成的。我制定并清晰感知到了属于自己的晋升台阶，而在这条通往卓越的摸索之路上，身边的其他人根本看不到这些细小的台阶。
Original English **Drew**: There has to be steps. So I from me seeing that those guys are great. They've all done amazing thing. I look up to all of them. But I know it's achievable. I I had steps in place that I knew and nobody else could see these steps up to this level of trying to be great.
**Drew**：别人根本看不见那些微小的台阶，你是唯一能够看清这些细小攀登节点的人。所以，一旦我开始看清楚并锁定这些微小的步骤，我的心态就变成了：我不过是在沿着一把梯子一级一级向上爬而已。
Original English **Drew**: Nobody else sees that. You You're the only person that is able to see these small steps. So once I started to see the small steps, I'm like, I'm only going up a ladder.
**Drew**：我并不是没有在一步步向终点靠近。我心里清楚，最终的目标或许遥不可及，但我绝不站在那种宏观虚无的角度去审视它；因为随着每一个细小微末的积累与进展，我都能真切地感觉到自己在不断逼近目标。
Original English **Drew**: I'm not not getting closer. I said I know that this is a far maybe thing, but I'm not looking at it like that because every small thing I'm I feel like I'm gaining in on it.
**Interviewer**：所以，你的整个注意力完完全全只聚焦在眼前那些微小的步骤上。
Original English **Interviewer**: So, you're just focused on the small steps.
**Drew**：我完完全全只专注在每一个细小的节点上。如果你把目光死死盯在那个极其遥远的终极目标上，你绝对一事无成，伙计。我说这话听起来可能有点搞笑，但这确确实实是大实话。这就像一个人刚开始演戏当演员，就整天把“噢，我要拿到奥斯卡金像奖”挂在嘴边。没错，你有权树立“我想拿奥斯卡”的雄心壮志，但在达成那个目标之前，你打算迈出的每一步具体小事是什么？通往那尊奥斯卡奖杯所矗立之巅的漫长台阶，每一级具体都在哪里？
Original English **Drew**: I was focused on the small. I never if you focus on the far goal, no, you'll never achieve man. I'm saying it's funny, but it's the truth. It's like, let's say you're like, "Oh, I'mma win an Oscar." And you just started as an actor. Yes, you can say, "I want to win an Oscar." But what are the small steps you're going to do before achieving? What are the all these stairs all the way to where the this Oscar is at?
**Interviewer**：嗯，确实如此。
Original English **Interviewer**: Mhm.
**Drew**：如果你不正视眼前的这每一级台阶，兄弟，这就好比是在面对一座巍峨崇山时，手中却没有攀登的梯子。
Original English **Drew**: If you don't look at all these stairs, bro, you It's like looking at a mountain without the ladder.
**Drew**：你必须找到一种一步步攀上去的方法。如果你眼里看不到台阶，手头没有梯子，脑中毫无抓手，那你根本就没有任何途径能够抵达山顶。在某种层面上我能够理解那些同学所说的话，但从根本上我并不认同。我的态度是：既然没有现成的梯子，那我就要亲手打造属于我自己的台阶去登上顶峰。
Original English **Drew**: You You got to find a way to climb this If you don't see If you don't have no steps or no ladder or nothing, you don't have no way to get to it. I agree with what he is saying in a way, but not really. It's like, I'm going to build my own steps to getting there.
### 打破偶像光环：伟大皆由历练而来 **Interviewer**：因为他的潜台词其实是在劝你“根本连试都不要去试”。
Original English **Interviewer**: Cuz he's saying don't even bother.
**Drew**：没错，他真正的意思就是“你干脆趁早放弃、别白费力气了，那个目标离你太遥远了。算了吧伙计，你平时私下搞笑归搞笑，但你真不行”。那些家伙看待行业传奇的眼光，就仿佛对方是高高在上的神明一样。可你千万别用那种自轻自贱的眼光来审视自己，那也是活生生的人啊！搞得好像那些伟大人物不是从同样的泥沼和起点爬出来的一样——那些受万人景仰的偶像神级人物，在他们十九岁、二十岁的时候……
Original English **Drew**: Yeah, he's saying don't even bother. That is so far out. Come on, man. You're funny, but you ain't. These dudes is like, he's looking at him like they're like a god. Like, this is Don't look at yourself like that. That's you. As if they didn't come from the same thing because those gods, those people you're looking up to, they when they were 19, 20...
**Interviewer**：是啊。
Original English **Interviewer**: Yeah.
**Drew**：在他们年轻的时候，其实大概率也是一样的状态……
Original English **Drew**: That they probably were...
**Interviewer**：大家总倾向于相信他们生来就注定要功成名就。
Original English **Interviewer**: You believe that they just were always destined.
**Drew**：完全正确！
Original English **Drew**: Exactly.
**Drew**：你不会去深入推敲那些幕后的历程。你只是习惯性地把他们放在聚光灯耀眼的光环之下去顶礼膜拜，惊呼“我的天呐，这位简直就是天选之子！”然而，你却压根没有看到他们背后真实经历的磨砺历程。一旦你抽丝剥茧地去剖析每一个伟大人物真正走过的路，你就会开始发现，所有人无一例外都是踏踏实实走过了这许许多多的具体步骤，世上根本就不存在所谓一夜成名或一步登天的神话。
Original English **Drew**: You're not thinking that. You're you're think you see them in this light of like oh my gosh this is that guy but you don't see the process once you break down what every single great person has done you start to see they all took these steps nothing just was like a overnight thing.
### 攀登途中的诱惑：拒绝赚快钱与稀释品牌 **Interviewer**：不过我确实也经常在思考一个问题：在沿着梯子不断向上攀登的整段征途之中，理智正常的人——正如我之前所提到的——往往很容易选择直接放弃，因为在这架梯子的向上途中，永远充斥着冷嘲热讽的唱衰者，而且周围到处都有更容易赚到的快钱，比如去红龙虾（Red Lobster）餐厅打工。
Original English **Interviewer**: I do ask myself though because that through that through that journey up the ladder uh sane people it goes back to what I was saying earlier like sane people wouldn't bo like wouldn't bother because there's always up the ladder naysayers and there's easier money Red Lobster.
**Drew**：正是如此。
Original English **Drew**: Yes.
**Drew**：比如跑到旁边的电话呼叫中心去推销某样产品，那钱来得更轻松；你甚至还可以在旁边搞些投机倒把的诈骗勾当。身边总是有各种各样杂七杂八的事情和诱惑在发生。
Original English **Drew**: There's easier money at this call center over here selling this. You can scam over here. Like there's a there's other things going on. And uh...
**Interviewer**：而且随处都能找到赚快钱的机会。
Original English **Interviewer**: There's easy money everywhere, too.
**Drew**：这是绝大多数人都没有真正清醒认识到的关键所在。有相当一部分人……
Original English **Drew**: That's that's a thing that most people don't recognize. Some people...
**Drew**：他们对金钱本身的顶礼膜拜，远远超过了对追求真正伟大事业的敬畏。大多数人只要看到眼前有唾手可得的好处，就会迫不及待地把快钱捞进兜里。但结果就是，他们在自己的个人品牌甚至都还没来得及真正立足起步之前，就亲手将整个品牌的价值给无限稀释、彻底冲刷毁灭掉了。
Original English **Drew**: Glorify money than they glorify the actual pursuit of of the greatness. Most people will go and grab the money because the money's good and they'll they will dilute the whole brand and wash it away before it was ever even able to start.
**Drew**：嗯，完全是把整副好牌都毁掉了。我一路走来遇到过无数类似的诱惑，很多人跑来跟我讲：“哎，来给我的音乐录影带客串露个脸吧，帮我拍这个吧。”当我还在艰难起步向上爬的时候，我脑子里就一直在权衡琢磨。我心想：“天哪，要是我到处去拍这些粗制滥造的乱七八糟的音乐MV，虽然对方确实能掏出个几千美元塞给我——他可能就是个贩毒的混混，手里有几千块闲钱，我随手就能把这笔钱拿走——但我必须为我长久的个人形象负责。”我当时心里暗骂：“靠，这家伙做的音乐简直烂透了。如果我仅仅为了眼前这区区两千块钱就去接这种活，而我明明正走在向上攀登的上升期，我能看清自己未来的卓越之路通向何方，可一旦贪图这种蝇头快钱，很可能就会彻底让我偏离自己的战略核心。”我内心真正渴望的，是只去打造那些……
Original English **Drew**: Mhm. The whole thing. I've had opportunities. People like, "Oh, come and do my music video, do this." And when I was on the way up and I kept thinking, I was like, "Damn, if I do all these random music videos, yeah, he got a couple thousand dollars from me. He's a drug dealer. He got a couple thousand. I go grab this." But I'm thinking about my image. I'm like, damn, this dude music sucks. If I'm doing this for a quick $2,000 and I'm on the way, I'm on the way. I see where my greatness is going, but if I grab this quick money, this might kind of take me off of my pivot. I want to only do...
**Drew**：那些真正具有特殊意义与独特价值的精品。我告诫自己，现阶段也许我根本就不应该把目光放在这些快钱上面，而应该全身心扑在终极核心目标上。正是从那个时刻起，我开始彻底转变自己的思维方式。因为在一开始，我也曾饥不择食地到处抓钱，帮不管什么人的音乐、视频到处站台推广宣传，我当时觉得：“行啊，我帮你推你的周边衣服和商品，推这些推那些。”但很快我便幡然醒悟，我心想：“天呐，我明明在创造如此有价值、有潜力的优质内容，却把这些宝贵的曝光度全都白白送给了别人的杂碎事物，而不是用来经营我自己。这绝不是我预想中自己未来该呆的位置。我必须把这些眼前的蝇头小利彻底抛在脑后，我连想都不要去想钱的事，我唯一需要全神贯注思考的，是我最终要抵达的远方。”
Original English **Drew**: Special things. I'm not I maybe I just kind of don't look at the money right now and I only focus on the the main goal. And that's when I started to change my way of thinking cuz at first I was grabbing all the money. I'm promoting everybody's music or video and all this stuff. I was like, "Oh, yeah. I'm promoting your your your merch and all this." Then I started to see I'm like, "Damn, I'm creating these great things and I'm giving these looks to all these other things and not myself. This is not where I envisioned myself to be at. I want to not care about all this. I want to put all this in the back of my mind. I'm not even thinking about money. I'm thinking about where I'm going."
### 身材定位与身心健康的平衡 **Interviewer**：我正想说呢，顺带提一句，你整个人看起来状态非常健康。看起来就像是最近水喝得很充足一样——哈哈，多喝水确实管用——不过说真的，你看起来就像是经常在泡健身房、疯狂举铁锻炼一样。
Original English **Interviewer**: I was going to say, uh, I was just You look very healthy. Look like you've been drinking water. Drinking water. No, but you look like you've been hit like hitting the gym or lifting weights or something.
**Drew**：没有啦，伙计，我只不过是……
Original English **Drew**: No, man. I just I I had...
**Interviewer**：毕竟你成天都在片场拍戏制作。
Original English **Interviewer**: You're on set. You're filming.
**Drew**：是啊，我们确实一直在紧张拍摄，但除此以外，我也确实不得不开始认真注重健康饮食了。我开始真正上心并且在乎自己每天吃进肚子里的到底是什么东西，不再像过去那样肆无忌惮、毫不在意。我骨子里注定永远都会是个大块头体型的胖子，我也依然渴望成为影史上名垂青史的重量级传奇喜剧人物之一，但这并不意味着你必须非得做全行业里体格最肥胖臃肿的那个人不可。我当时就对自己说：“行，那我就做一个健康强壮的大块头胖子。”一旦我彻底下定决心树立了这个信念，我对自己说：“很好，这就是我接下来的方向，我要做一个健康的大块头型男。”因为我深知自己的公众荧幕形象是什么，我也清楚这就是自己内心想要呈现的定位。我从小到大一直仰慕的那些殿堂级传奇喜剧巨匠，也全都是极具辨识度的大块头胖子，比如克里斯·法利（Chris Farley）、塞德里克·凯尔斯（Cedric the Entertainer）、杰克·布莱克（Jack Black）。这些都是我敬仰看齐的重量级榜样。所以我从来没有想过去丢掉这个形象标签，但我心里很清楚：这两者完全是可以兼得、同时成立的。
Original English **Drew**: Yeah. No, I Yeah, we're filming, but also like I just had to like start eating kind of right, too. Like I I started to care about what I was putting into my body and not just not care. I always will continue to be a heavy set guy. I want to be, you know, one of the heavy set legends of all time, but you ain't got to be the biggest dude in the business. I was like, "Okay, I'm going to be a healthy, heavy set guy." And once I set my mind on that, I was like, "All right, that's what I'm going to do. I'm be a healthy, heavy set dude." Cuz I I understand what my image is. I I know that's what I wanted to be. And I've always looked up to all the great legends that were like heavy set dudes like Chris Farley, Cedric Entertainer, Jack Black. These are guys that like heavy set guys I look up to. So, I never not wanted to be that. I just knew. I was like, "All right, both both things can be true."
**Interviewer**：你是什么时候产生这种转变想法的？
Original English **Interviewer**: When did you when did you think this?
**Drew**：我觉得大概是一年前吧。整个人突然就顿悟了，心想：“行了，人生做出的每一个决定，绝不能再是每晚都跑去烂醉如泥，更不能把每个决策都……”
Original English **Drew**: I think like a year ago. He was just like, "All right, every decision doesn't just got to be drinking every night and every decision..."
### 健康生活的平衡之道 **Druski**：不能因为现在有钱了，就开始胡吃海喝。你完全可以一边享用这些美食，一边依然跟你的兄弟们去体育馆打球。这两件事是可以兼得的。我当时就想，良好的平衡才是一种健康的生活方式。我只是希望在这两者之间找到一个好的平衡点。所以，我现在处于一个让自己感到很舒服的体重，我觉得挺好，非常满意。
Original English **Druski**: don't got to be just gorging yourself with food just cuz you got money now." You know, it's like, okay, you can eat these things and still go hoop at the gym with your boys. Both things could be true. And that's I was like, okay, a good balance is a healthy lifestyle. I just wanted to have a good balance with each. So, I'm at a weight where I feel like, all right, I'm comfortable at I'm good. I'm good.
**主持人**：你看起来状态非常棒。
Original English **Host**: You're looking good.
**Druski**：是的，谢谢兄弟，非常感谢。
Original English **Druski**: Yeah. Thank you, man. Appreciate that.
### 未来五年的巨星目标与三十年喜剧愿景 **主持人**：在你的世界里，接下来有什么打算？你接下来的宏大目标和重大计划是什么？你现在正在片场拍电影。如果我们五年后再坐在一起聊，而且距离我们上次谈话已经过去了非常精彩的五年，那这五年间究竟发生了什么？
Original English **Host**: What is next for you in your world? What is What is the big goals, the big games? You're on set shooting a movie. If we sit down in 5 years time, and it's been a great 5 years since we last spoke. What happened?
**Druski**：我成了一名超级巨星。这就是我现在全力以赴追求的目标。现在的你已经看不到金发了，也看不到长胡子了，你看到的不再是曾经那个“哦，社交媒体搞笑博主”Drewski。你看到的是超级巨星Drewski，以及他一路演变至今的模样。这就是我未来五年的目标，并且会持续超越它。就像我未来三十年的目标，是要成为我这一代中最顶尖的喜剧演员，成为未来三十年喜剧界的领军人物。就像艾迪·墨菲（Eddie Murphy）曾经做到的那样，或者凯文·哈特（Kevin Hart）所做到的那样，名单还可以列很长，比如威尔·法瑞尔（Will Ferrell）以及所有这些我仰慕的前辈。我希望能拥有那样一段辉煌的演艺生涯。我的追求从来不是只在一个时代做单一的事情。我喜欢观察别人，观察他们是如何不断演进的，以及他们在整个职业生涯中是如何尝试各种不同领域的。当你看到艾迪从那些大尺度的单口喜剧脱口秀，跨界进入电影界，与当时最顶级的白人演员并肩主演；他离开《周六夜现场》（SNL），然后去拍合家欢家庭电影等等；接着他又和理查德·普赖尔（Richard Pryor）合作拍摄了《哈林夜总会》（Harlem Nights），又与马丁·劳伦斯（Martin Lawrence）联袂出演了《生活》（Life），他们强强联手呈现出无与伦比的喜剧作品——我希望也能为我这一代人做同样的事情。我想与这个时代所有顶尖的喜剧人才联手合作，我想成为这一代喜剧界的代表面孔。
Original English **Druski**: I became a superstar. That is my full pursuit right now is now you see, you don't see the blonde hair. You don't see the long beard. You don't see the Drewuski that you once saw, oh, the social media guy. You see the superstar Drewski and what he has evolved to become. That is what my next 5-year goal is and continuously pass that. Like my next 30-year goal is to be the number one comedian of my generation and be the face of comedy for the next 30 years. how Eddie Murphy did or how Kevin Hart did or the list could go on like Will Frell and all these guys that I look up to. I want to have a run like that. My thing is not just doing one thing for one era. I like to watch people and how they evolve and how they have done different things over their career. when you see Eddie go from the raw stuff into the movies where he's alongside one of the biggest white actors of that time and he leaves SNL and then he goes and does family movies and all this and then he does like Harlem Nights with uh Richard Prior and he does life with Martin Lawrence and they team up and you see good comed I would want to do that same type of stuff for my generation. I want to team up with all the big comedic people of this time. I want to be the face of this generation for comedy.
### 从小到大的绝对自信与不断蜕变 **主持人**：这种敢说大话的底气是你后来学会的吗？因为很多人根本没有勇气直截了当地说出“我想成为超级巨星，我想成为我这一代的第一人”。你是后天学会这么说话的吗？这是一种有用的说话方式，还是你一直以来都是这么表达的？
Original English **Host**: Have you learned to talk big? Because a a lot of people don't have the guts to say, "I want to be a superstar. I want to be the number one in my generation." Have you learned to talk like that? Is it a useful way of talking or have you always spoken like that?
**Druski**：我一直都是这么说话的。从来如此，一直如此。甚至从很早很早的初期开始，我就一直想要做到不仅仅是“不错”。我知道我经常挂在嘴边，但这确实是我的由衷之言。
Original English **Druski**: I've always spoke that way. Always. Always. even from early on days like I I I I always wanted to be more than just good and I know I say that a lot but that is a it's a true thing.
**主持人**：我有你十年前的视频，你在视频里说你未来要达到我现在这个水准。
Original English **Host**: I've got the video from you 10 years ago and you're saying I'm going to be on the same level as me now.
**Druski**：不，我知道那是十年前，但你看，是的，确实。但那个时候我设立的门槛，比我现在设定的标准要低得多。我一直想做的事情之一就是不断进化。所以我回看自己当时说过的一些话，我意识到从那时起我已经蜕变了，我想要打破过去的枷锁。我想要持续突破、进化，成为一个全新的自己。我想像杰米·福克斯（Jamie Foxx）那样，出演传记电影《雷》（Ray）并斩获奥斯卡奖——天呐，那太不可思议了；紧接着转头又去演《被解救的姜戈》（Django Unchained），那是喜剧与正剧表演的精妙结合；随后又能转过身再去拍一部纯粹爆笑的喜剧电影。这就是我想在职业生涯中追求的那种蜕变，让我能够一直保持超越。我并不是后天学会去这么大声表达的，这是我从小受到的家庭教育塑造出来的。就是对自己保持自信，清楚地知道自己是谁。这可能也是因为我妈妈在我三岁、四岁、五岁、六岁、七岁一直持续不断地用摄像机记录我，家里总是在录我跳舞、逗全家人大笑的家庭录像，以及各种搞怪好玩的事情。是的，正是这些经历让我随着时间的推移不断积累信心，最终成长为今天的自己。
Original English **Druski**: No, I know 10 years ago but see Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But at the time the the bar was set lower than what I have the bar set now. One of the things that I always wanted to do I wanted to continue to evolve. So certain things that I've said then I've noticed that I've grown since then and I want to break the chains of that. I want to continue to evolve and become this newer person. I want to do the Jamie Fox and doing the Ray biopic and you get an Oscar for that. Oh my god, that's amazing. But then turn around and do Jango, which is a mixture of comedy and real acting. And then turn around and do a a a funny comedy movie. So, it's like that's the type of evolving I'm looking to do in my career where I can continue to just keep transcending and and I didn't learn to talk that way. That is something that was taught to me from my upbringing. Just being confident in myself and just knowing who you are. And that might have been because my mom was recording me from three, four, five, six, seven years old and continuously on and always trying to have home videos of me dancing and making my family laugh and all this crazy stuff. But yeah, the these are things that I built confidence over time to become, you know, this person.
### 给大学宿舍里那个孤独的自己：坚持到底与信念 **主持人**：如果你现在能拨回时钟，对当年独自坐在大学宿舍里、身边没有朋友的那个Drewski说几句话——
Original English **Host**: And if you could rewind the clock and say a couple of words to this Drewuski on his uh in that college dorm room on his own, no friends,
**Druski**：那个年轻人需要听到什么？我会对他说：要比你这辈子任何时候都更加坚定地相信自己。你可以成为传奇，你非常优秀，你是独一无二的。并且要坚持下去，哪怕前方的路看起来艰难崎岖，哪怕你根本看不到隧道尽头的亮光。因为那往往是绝大多数人选择跳轨放弃的时候。一旦眼前变得模糊不清、大雾弥漫，或者像我曾经遇到的那样，车子被贷款公司拖走强制没收，大部分人就放弃了。那就是大多数人半途而废的节点。他们的女朋友背叛出轨了，或者发生了什么糟糕的厄运；而你曾通宵跪在地上虔诚祈祷，一遍又一遍地祈求：“上帝啊，求求你赐予我这个吧，我一直渴望这个，我希望这能降临在我身上。”突然间，上帝开始转变局面，事情开始发生剧烈变动，然后人们就会惊呼：“天呐，我明明向上帝祈求的是成功啊！”是的，那是因为上帝先让你经历严酷的考验。你甚至还没熬过那些考验与苦难，他只是在你一祈求之后就开始从你的生活中剥离某些东西，而你现在却反过来质疑为什么会发生这些磨难。可这本质上就是你想要的，这就是你所祈求的必经之路。绝大多数人在比赛还没正式开跑之前就选择退赛了。他们看不到最终的结果，于是陷入恐慌，彻底跳车放弃。这就是我会对自己说的话，兄弟：坚持下去，咬牙死守到底。
Original English **Druski**: what does that guy need to hear? I would say to believe in yourself more than you have ever believed in your entire life. You can be iconic. You are great. You are one of one. and to stay consistent even when the road looks rough and you cannot see the hole at the end of the tunnel because that's something that most people usually jump off the railroad for. They can't see the outcome once it gets kind of blurry and it's foggy and the the nose or like like I said, my car got repossessed. Most people quit. That's the point most people quit. their girl cheats on them or something bad happens when you you you sat on your knees and you prayed all night and you prayed pray oh my God please give me this I'm looking for this I want this to happen for me and boom God starts to shift things sh things things start to shift and then people oh my god this I asked him for this yeah it don't it's because he put you through the trial you didn't even get through the trials and the tribulations yet you just he started to remove things from your life as soon as you asked for it and now you're questioning why it happened. It's like this is this is what you essentially wanted. This is what you asked for. And most people, they get off the track before it even starts. They can't see the outcome, so they get worried and they just jump off. It's and and that's what I would tell myself, man. Stay to it. Stick to it.
### 何时坚持与何时放手：自我认知与幸存者偏差 **主持人**：这里引出了一个非常有意思的观点。我们很多人经常把“永不放弃”挂在嘴边，但有时你确实必须懂得放弃，对吧？因为就像你从大学退学，我也从大学退学了。而且这里面有一种很奇妙的现象，因为有些事情——比如某些说唱歌手，如果你到了三十多岁还在那里硬撑着说唱，赶紧放弃吧，离开麦克风，从录音棚里彻底滚出去，放弃吧。
Original English **Host**: There's an interesting point here which is um you know a lot of us we talk about never quitting but sometimes you do have to quit right because like you quit college I've I quit college and and there's this weird thing because that certain things certain things rappers if you out there and you still rapping past 30 quit get the off that mic and get the hell out that studio quit that
**Druski**：你说得对。有时候你确实得从录音棚里滚出去，兄弟。我赞同。从某种程度上来说，这确实是大实话。绝对是的。
Original English **Druski**: So, you're right. Sometimes you do get the out of that studio, man. I agree. No, that to some sort is is true. Yes. Yes.
**主持人**：而且——以这种方式来总结整场对话简直太绝了。但这确实耐人寻味，因为我觉得任何事情都是充满细微差异的。当你拥有一份热爱时，你当然会全力去追求，尤其是在已经看到正向反馈和证据的时候。
Original English **Host**: And that's a hell of a way to wrap the entire conversation. But it's interesting because I think it's everything's nuanced and when you've got a passion, of course, you pursue it and when especially when there's evidence.
**主持人**：是的。但我常常想，在你们这个行业里，肯定有很多人在拼命追求喜剧梦想，但他们可能并不具备相应的天赋——这始终是一种平衡的艺术。我想，比如我创办了一档播客并且做得很成功，所以在某种程度上我其实带有“幸存者偏差”。因此，我可能会给年轻播客创作者的建议就是：“直接在你的厨房里开录，然后持续死磕做上六年……”但这里面可能存在一些连我自己都没意识到的先天优势。以你的情况为例，我回头看你六岁的时候，你天生就很搞笑。
Original English **Host**: Yeah. But that I I wonder in your industry because there's going to be a lot of people who are pursuing comedy who might not have the and this is the always the like balancing act. We I think you know I started a podcast and it went well. So I've got a little bit of like survivorship bias in a way like so the advice I might give to young podcasters is just like well just like start it in your kitchen and then put and then just keep at it for six years and then but there might have been some advantages that I'm not aware of. In your case, I go I look at you as six years old, you were funny.
**Druski**：是的。
Original English **Druski**: Yeah.
**主持人**：你六岁时就很有喜剧天赋。而我六岁的时候可一点都不搞笑。
Original English **Host**: You were funny at six. I wasn't funny at six.
**Druski**：没错。
Original English **Druski**: Yeah.
**主持人**：所以如果我试图成为像你这样的人——
Original English **Host**: So, if I tried to to be you,
**Druski**：对。
Original English **Druski**: Yeah.
**主持人**：客观地说，我即便不是彻底失败，至少也会经历艰难得多的阻碍，对吧？所以这里面几乎存在一种奇妙的“认识你自己”的自我审视成分。
Original English **Host**: I would I objectively What if I at least had a harder time if not total failure? So, there's almost this weird like self-awareness component of knowing thyself.
**Druski**：嗯嗯。
Original English **Druski**: Mhm.
**主持人**：因为如果不认清自己，我可能到了五十岁还泡在录音棚里不走，你懂我的意思吧？因为像我和你这样的人，我们挺过来了，我们成功走到了今天。所以我们回头往下看时，总会轻描淡写地说：“你知道的，持之以恒才是最关键的。”但在那深处，始终存在着一种清醒的自我认知。你对此肯定深有体会，平时一定经常遇到路人突然冲到你面前开始疯狂讲笑话吧。
Original English **Host**: Because I might stay in the studio past 50 if you know what I'm saying. Because people like me and you, we of we we we survived. We got there. So, we look back down and just go, you know, con consistency is the number one thing. But somewhere in there, there's like an element of self-awareness. And you must get it all the time. You must have people roll up to you and just start cracking jokes.
**Druski**：太真实了。
Original English **Druski**: Yeah.
**主持人**：我不得不说，你肯定练就了一手非常逼真的假笑本领。
Original English **Host**: You have to have a good fake laugh. I will say,
**Druski**：我的天。
Original English **Druski**: holy
**主持人**：因为那种场面有时真的很尴尬，人们就是想凑到你面前漫无边际地胡扯。
Original English **Host**: Because it does get bad. People just want to come up to you and say random
**Druski**：没错。
Original English **Druski**: Yeah.
### 清晰的自我判断力：倾听内心的声音 **Druski**：但说实话，我非常赞同你的观点。人必须具备清醒的自我认知，你的判断力必须非常精准。因为这不仅仅是死磕和坚持，而是要清楚地感知到“这就是属于我的赛道”的那种内在确信。我花了不少时间才摸索出这种感觉，这确实需要时间。但我认为绝大多数人无法忍受静下心来、在沉默中彻底想清楚这一切。
Original English **Druski**: But no, I I do agree with you. You have to have a sense of awareness and your judgment has to be on point because it's not just about staying consistent. It's about knowing the feeling of this is the thing. So, it took me some time with that. It did take me time, but I think most people aren't they're not okay with sitting down in silence and figuring it out.
**主持人**：确实如此。
Original English **Host**: Mhm.
**Druski**：大多数人总是会说：“我太迷茫了，我想不通自己到底想干什么。我不知道我想要追求什么。我有太多想做的宏伟构想了，我什么都想尝试。”但他们却从来不肯真正付诸行动……
Original English **Druski**: Most people will say, "I'm so confused. I'm I can't figure out what I want to do. I don't know what I want to do. I I have all these great things I want to do. I want to do everything. But they don't never put their
### 独处的静默：认清内心真正渴望的唯一途径 **嘉宾**：放下手机。他们从来不曾尝试静静地和自己坐在一起，去把事情彻底想明白。没有人愿意把自己从那些纷繁复杂的纷扰和诱惑中抽离出来。同一批人还会告诉你，去抽大麻找刺激、去借酒消愁，或者直接转身离开去找别人闲聊宣泄。也许对他们来说，独自坐下来面对内心是极其痛苦的。然而，这恰恰是大多数人无法耐下心来同自己完成的事。 回想我自己的整个人生，发生彻底蜕变的最关键契机之一，正是学会在绝对的静默中坐下来，真正弄清楚自己内心到底想做什么。你会逐一梳理从小到大真正热爱的事情，排查所有你渴望去追寻的目标，在抽丝剥茧中找到答案。但前提是，你必须坐进全然的寂静中，与最本真、最真实的那个自己独处——不是那个处于亢奋或嗑药状态下的你，不是那个喝得酩酊大醉的你，也不是那个一遇到迷茫就只想找朋友聊天、相互吹嘘“我们要干一番大事业”的你。不行，你必须独自坐下来，独自去把一切想透。大多数人都不愿意经历这个过程，这无可厚非，但这绝对是彻底想清楚人生方向最核心、无可替代的关键。
Original English **Guest**: Put the phone down. They don't never try to sit with themselves and figure things out. Nobody tries to remove themselves from all the stuff. That same person will tell you that go get high or get drunk or go and leave and go talk to somebody else. And maybe it hurts for them to do that. And that's the thing that people won't sit with themselves and do. That is one of the main things that shifted my entire life was sitting down in silence and figuring out what is it that I want to do. You go through everything you grew up loving to do. You go through everything that you want to pursue and you figure it out through all that. But until you sit in silence and sit with yourself as the true you, not the you that's high, not the you that's drunk, not the you that just wants to go to a friend and talk and go back and forth about, oh, we want to do all this—no, you got to sit with yourself and figure this out. Most people don't want to do that, and that's cool, but that is the key to figuring it out by far.
### 终极一问：下辈子最想成为谁？ **主持人**：德鲁斯基（Druski），我们节目有一个闭幕传统：上一位嘉宾会为下一位嘉宾留下一个问题，而且他们并不知道这个问题会留给谁。
Original English **Host**: Druski, we have a closing tradition where the last guest leaves a question for the next, not knowing who they're leaving it for.
**嘉宾**：嗯。
Original English **Guest**: Mhm.
**主持人**：留给你的问题是：“如果你能自由选择，下辈子你最想成为谁？”
Original English **Host**: The question left for you: "If you could make it happen, who would you most want to be like in your next life?"
**嘉宾**：天哪，限定是目前还活着的人吗？
Original English **Guest**: Oh man, that's currently alive?
**主持人**：问题里没限制。
Original English **Host**: Doesn't say.
**嘉宾**：迈克尔·杰克逊（Michael Jackson）。
Original English **Guest**: Michael Jackson.
**主持人**：为什么是他？
Original English **Host**: Why?
### 迈克尔·杰克逊与极致卓越的艺术 **嘉宾**：可以说，他是有史以来最具标志性、最具代表性的人物。他达到了真正的伟大。那是一种在打磨专业技艺的每一个维度上都臻于化境的真正伟大。他找到了把所有要素融合贯通的方法。他甚至能让黑帮分子在他的音乐录影带里整齐划一地起舞。他彻底重塑了自己的公众形象，在整个职业生涯中持续不断地蜕变演化。 他最初是以童星艺人的身份出道并成名的。在这个行业里，绝大多数童星都根本无法顺利转型为成熟且具有真正艺术分量的巨星，并在成年后依然保持辉煌与成功。他们做不到这一点，兄弟，绝大多数人一辈子都跨不过这道坎。但他却凭空创造了一个全新的艺术实体、一个脱胎换骨的全新人格，以至于让全世界都彻底忘了他曾经是杰克逊五人组（Jackson 5）里的那个小男孩。展现在世人面前的是一个彻头彻尾的全新人物。要我选的话，毫无疑问必须是他。
Original English **Guest**: He's arguably the most iconic individual of all time. He achieved real greatness. Real greatness of all aspects of perfecting a craft. He figured out a way to do it all. He had gangsters dancing in his music video. He changed his persona. He continued to evolve with his career. He went from the kid artist. Most people can't go from the kid to the real one and still have success. They can't do that. Most people can never do that, bro. He created a whole new entity, a whole new person, and you forgot that he was the Jackson 5 kid. This is a whole new guy. I would say it would have had to be him for sure.
### 经典短剧与严父乔·杰克逊的影子 **主持人**：我看过你扮演他父亲的那段恶搞短剧。
Original English **Host**: I watched your skit pretending to be his father.
**嘉宾**：乔·杰克逊（Joe Jackson）。
Original English **Guest**: Joe Jackson.
**主持人**：那是20世纪60年代的生活，那时候的大人几乎可以随心所欲地管教小孩而不受任何约束。
Original English **Host**: Life in the 1960s where you could get away with just about anything.
**嘉宾**：（模仿短剧中的一家人对话） “学校表现怎么样，杰克？” “挺好的，我大概又能开始及格通过各门课了。” “杰基交女朋友啦！” “你们这帮家伙难道不担心唱片销量吗？！” “消消气，约瑟夫！你把孩子们都吓坏了！” “成天跟我聊什么畅销金曲！这个家里到底是谁做出了爆款唱片？！” “我跳舞跳得太累了……” “你想让我抽皮带揍你是吧？！迈克尔，把你脸上那副丧气表情给我收起来，不然我亲自帮你收拾它！” “乔，我们练完之后能去买冰淇淋吃吗？” 哈哈，是啊，我扮演的乔·杰克逊的某些性格侧面，其实正是我自己父亲性格中的一部分投射。
Original English **Guest**: "How was school, Jack?" "It was good. I'd probably start passing my classes again." "Jackie got a girlfriend." "AIN'T Y'ALL WORRIED ABOUT SELLING RECORDS?" "CALM DOWN, JOSEPH. You're scaring the boys." "TALKING ABOUT HIT RECORDS. WHO DONE MADE A HIT RECORD IN THIS HOUSE?" "I'M tired of dancing." "You want me to take this belt off? Fix your face, Michael, before I fix it for you." "Joe, can we get ice cream after this?" Yeah, that was some aspects of Joe Jackson that my dad had some personality.
**主持人**：哦，真是这样啊！天呐，还真是。
Original English **Host**: Oh yeah. Oh, damn. Yeah.
**嘉宾**：千真万确。
Original English **Guest**: For real.
**主持人**：要抽出皮带来吓唬人可一点都不难，老兄，这种场面我小时候也见识过。太真实了，简直一模一样。
Original English **Host**: It wasn't hard to rip that belt off, man. I've seen it before. Yeah. Hell yeah.
### 未来的宏伟蓝图：大型剧集、院线电影与追逐伟大 **主持人**：大家接下来可以对你抱有哪些期待？我们应该引导观众关注你的哪些动向？你目前正在筹备什么？你接下来的重磅项目是什么？
Original English **Host**: What can people look forward to from you? Where should we point them? What are you working on? What's your next big project?
**嘉宾**：接下来的重磅大作？那就是将于今年11月开播的《募捐与赞美》（Collect and Praise）剧集。这是我和麦克·艾普斯（Mike Epps）合作打造的作品。这是一部关于大型教会巨富牧师（mega-pastors）题材的剧集。之前我做过一个关于巨富牧师的短剧恶搞视频，当时引起了巨大的全网轰动。 而现在这部作品是一部体量非常庞大的喜剧半即兴剧集（semi-scripted TV show），即将上线登陆……
Original English **Guest**: Next big project? Uh, the Collect and Praise show that's coming out in November. Me and Mike Epps. It's a show about mega pastors. I did a mega pastor skit. That was huge. Um, and this show is a huge comedic semi-scripted TV show that'll be coming to...
**主持人**：奈飞（Netflix）和 YouTube 平台。
Original English **Host**: Netflix and YouTube.
**嘉宾**：没错。这是我们双方携手打造的心血结晶。老兄，坦白说，这绝对会成为有史以来最具文化颠覆性、最能撼动流行文化的现象级剧集之一。它一定会精彩绝伦。所以，这是即将与大家见面的第一部重头戏。 另外还有一部由艾玛·斯通（Emma Stone）和克里斯·派恩（Chris Pine）主演的院线电影《Catch》，预计将于2027年5月上映，距现在还有一段时日。除此之外，你们还会看到更多属于德鲁斯基（Druski）的精彩内容——简而言之，你将会在随处每一个角落都看到我的身影：电视广告、我们自主团队筹备拍摄的院线电影……顺便提一句，我们团队刚刚又有一部电影被奈飞买下了发行权，具体片名我现在还处于保密阶段不能透露。总之，还有太多太多正在推进的宏大计划。老兄，我是在拼尽全力去追逐真正的卓越与伟大。
Original English **Guest**: So it is between both of us, and it is honestly one of the biggest culture-shifting shows of all time, bro. This is going to be amazing. So that's a big one that's coming. The Catch with Emma Stone, Chris Pine, that's coming out in May of 2027. That's a while out. And then just more of Druski, like you're also just going to see me everywhere. TV commercials, movies that we're doing ourselves. We just got a movie picked up by Netflix. I can't speak on what it's called. And yeah, amongst so many other things. Man, I'm trying to achieve greatness.
### 主持人致敬：跨越逆境，迈向顶峰的真正榜样 **主持人**：这在太多层面上都无比振奋人心了。它之所以令人备受鼓舞，不仅因为你如此年轻，更因为你毫不避讳、无比坚定地向全世界公开宣告自己对追求真正卓越的专注与野心。 我认为这也在拷问着每一位正在收听节目的听众：我们每个人怎样才能变得更卓越、更伟大？更令人肃然起敬的是，当你回望自己一路走来的起点，你曾经经历过的动荡不安的童年，以及曾因为重重不可控的现实因素而对你极其不利的险恶逆境。在种种阻碍与逆风之下，你却能披荆斩棘冲破一切难关，一路攀登到了整个行业的最高峰；而且在未来人生预计还有六七十年的漫长岁月里，你依然拥有极其广阔的上升空间去持续蜕变进化，这在未来见证起来将是一件令人难以置信的壮举。 而且最重要的是，无论是在镜头前还是在私底下的聚光灯外，你都是一个非常真诚、善良的好人。这一点赢得了我由衷而巨大的尊重。所以，我们所有人都会一如既往地在背后为你加油喝彩。非常感谢你今天的到来，这是我们的莫大荣幸。
Original English **Host**: So, it's super inspiring for so many reasons. It's inspiring because you're so young, but it's also inspiring because you're so willing to vocalize your focus on being truly great. And I think that asks of everybody listening: how can we be greater? And also considering where you've come from and the turbulent childhood you had, and the odds were very much stacked against you for numbers of reasons, for you to pass your way through that and climb to the very top of your industry with much more room to continue to grow in the 60, 70 years you have probably left on this planet is going to be unbelievable to watch. And you're a good human being on and off camera, which I respect tremendously. So, we're all going to be cheering for you. And thank you so much for being here. It's been an honor.
**嘉宾**：非常高兴能与你相识，兄弟！我自己本身就是你节目的忠实粉丝，你在所有领域的成就和表现都做得非常出色。
Original English **Guest**: Great to meet you, man. I'm a big fan of your show. You do really well with everything.
### 智能推荐寄语 **主持人**：YouTube 如今上线了一套极其智能的新算法系统。它依托先进的人工智能技术以及对你个人历史观看行为的全面分析，能够精准洞察你接下来最想看什么视频。算法分析显示，眼下这个推荐视频对你而言是完美契合的选择。此时此刻屏幕前每一位观众所看到的推荐都是因人而异、量身定制的。不妨点击去看看这部视频，我敢打赌，你大概率会非常喜欢它。
Original English **Host**: YouTube has this new crazy algorithm where they know exactly what video you would like to watch next based on AI and all of your viewing behavior. And the algorithm says that this video is the perfect video for you. It's different for everybody looking right now. Check this video out and I bet you, you might love it.