--- author: TVO Today date: '2026-05-06' guest: '' layout: post.njk source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5LqrSt0YFI speaker: TVO Today tags: - residential-schools - truth-and-reconciliation - historical-injustice - indigenous-rights title: 加拿大摧毁原住民寄宿学校虐待记录的隐忧与保存计划 summary: 本次访谈聚焦加拿大原住民寄宿学校虐待记录面临的2027年销毁截止日期，以及多伦多都会大学（TMU）的‘印第安寄宿学校记录项目’。调查记者Connie Walker强调了在这些记录被永久丢失前，抢救幸存者证词的紧迫性。该项目旨在通过法律诉讼文件创建新的证词档案，并赋予幸存者及其家庭决策权。访谈还探讨了真相与和解的进程、历史不公，以及媒体在揭示真相方面所面临的持续挑战，并强调了与失踪及被谋杀原住民女性问题的关联。 insight: '' draft: true series: '' category: politics-society area: society-thinking project: [] people: [] companies_orgs: - Toronto Metropolitan University - Truth and Reconciliation Commission products_models: [] media_books: [] status: evergreen --- ### 记录的危机与保存计划 **主持人**: 2017年，最高法院裁定，除非幸存者选择保存，否则数千份关于寄宿学校虐待的故事将被销毁。他们给了幸存者十年时间来提供证词，而这个期限明年就到了。但许多人并不知道这个迫在眉睫的截止日期。现在，一项新的倡议正在努力提高公众意识并建立一个新的国家档案馆。普利策奖得主、调查记者 **Connie Walker** 加入我们。你怎么样，Connie？
Original English **Host**: In 2017, the Supreme Court ruled thousands of stories of residential school abuse would be destroyed unless survivors chose to preserve them. They gave survivors a ten year window to come forward, and that date is coming next year. But many don't know about the looming deadline. Enter a new initiative that is trying to raise awareness and set up a new national archive. Pulitzer prize winner and investigative journalist Connie Walker joins us in studio. How are you doing, Connie?
**Connie Walker**: 我很好，谢谢。
Original English >> I'm well, thank you.
**主持人**: 好的。我们来谈谈 **TMU 多伦多都会大学**的 **印第安寄宿学校记录项目**。这个项目具体是什么？
Original English >> All right. Let's talk about the Indian Residential School Records project at TMU Toronto Metropolitan University. What exactly is the project?
**Connie Walker**: 这个项目是我们努力尽可能多地保存幸存者证词的尝试。我认为，寄宿学校的幸存者们曾长期为证明他们所经历的事情而战，然后又为让他们的声音被听到而战。这是我们尽力保存更多证词的尝试，以便不忘记在印第安寄宿学校发生的事情。
Original English >> The project is our attempt to try to preserve as much survivor testimony as we can. Survivors of Indian residential schools, I think, fought for for a long time to be believed about what they experienced in residential schools, and then really fought to have their voices heard. And this is our attempt to try to preserve as much of that as we possibly can in order to to, you know, not forget what happened in Indian residential schools.
### 记录的性质与销毁紧迫性 **主持人**: 我想澄清一点。与被永久存档的 **真相与和解委员会 (TRC)** 收集的证词不同，这些记录为什么会被销毁？它们是独立评估程序（IAP）的一部分，与公开的 TRC 证词略有不同。
Original English >> I want a point of clarification. Unlike the testimonies gathered in the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, which are being permanently archived, these records, why are they being destroyed? These are part of the independent assessment process, a little bit different than the public facing TRC testimonies.
**Connie Walker**: 是的，这确实有点令人困惑，我想很多人都会感到困惑，因为幸存者们讲述故事的方式不同。所以，**TRC** 的工作无疑非常重要，他们收集的证词将被保存在 **国家真相与和解中心**。但很多人并不知道的是，**TRC** 在全国各地进行了六年的考察。他们召开了全国性集会，社区集会，在这六年里，他们记录了超过 6000 份证词，主要是关于印第安寄宿学校的幸存者。但同时，也几乎是同步进行的另一个程序，是那些希望因寄宿学校虐待获得赔偿的幸存者参加的听证会，称为 **独立评估听证会 (IAP)**。参加 **IAP** 的幸存者人数是 **TRC** 听证会的六倍多。这只是为了提供一个关于数量的背景，它仍然是目前现存的最全面的幸存者证词档案。这些证词是通过 **IAP** 记录的。而且，因为这是寄宿学校和解协议的一部分，这些听证会是保密的，幸存者参与其中，而这些听证会的信息很少对外公开，尤其是幸存者的证词。而这些记录将在 2027 年根据 **加拿大最高法院** 的命令被销毁。我正在进行的 **印第安寄宿学校记录项目**，与这两个档案都分开。因此，我们正在尝试的是，从导致寄宿学校和解协议的幸存者提起的诉讼中创建另一套档案。我认为这项工作感觉特别紧迫，因为 **IAP** 的记录，也就是最全面的档案，即将被销毁。
Original English >> Yeah, it is a little bit confusing, and I think a lot of people do get confused because of the different ways in which survivors have told their stories. So obviously the work of the TRC is incredibly important, and the testimonies that they gathered will be archived at the National Centre for Truth and Reconciliation. But something that a lot of people don't really know is, is that, you know, the TRC travelled across the country for six years. They held national gatherings, they held community gatherings, and in those six years, they recorded just over 6000 testimonies, largely of Indian residential school survivors. But there was another process that was was happening almost concurrently, in some ways, where survivors who wanted to receive compensation for abuse in residential schools participated in these hearings, called the independent assessment hearings. And more than six times more survivors participated in the IAP than the TRC hearings. Just to give some context of the volume, and that remains the most comprehensive archive that exists of survivor testimony. It was recorded through the IAP. And because, you know, it was part of the residential school settlement agreement, these were confidential hearings that survivors participated in, and very little information from those hearings has ever been made public, certainly not any survivor testimony. And those are the records that are going to be destroyed in 2027 by order of the Supreme Court of Canada, the Indian Residential School records project that I'm working on is separate from both of those archives. So what we what we are attempting to do is, is create another set of archives from the lawsuits that survivors filed that led to the residential school settlement agreement. And I think that work feels particularly urgent because the IAP records, the most comprehensive archive, is about to be destroyed.
### 幸存者证词的收集范围与个人经历 **主持人**: 请告诉我，不用太深入细节，这些记录捕捉了谁的故事和声音？
Original English >> Tell me about obviously, without going into too much of the details, but whose stories and whose voices are being captured in some of these?
**Connie Walker**: 是的。你知道，有超过 150,000 名**原住民**儿童，包括 **第一民族**、**因纽特人** 和 **梅蒂** 儿童曾就读于寄宿学校。这些学校开放了 100 多年，遍布加拿大 100 多所学校。我认为，我们正处于真相与和解的时代。人们对寄宿学校以及幸存者经历的普遍认识和理解比以往任何时候都多。但 **印第安寄宿学校记录项目** 是我们试图全面理解和认识个别机构所发生事情的尝试。对我而言，这是我记者生涯过去几年的工作延伸。2022 年，我制作了一个名为 **《Stolen: Surviving Saint Michael's》** 的播客，聚焦于我父亲在萨斯喀彻温省一所寄宿学校的经历。在我开始那项调查之前，我已经报道了失踪和被谋杀的**原住民**女性和女孩问题几年，并理解了这场暴力危机与寄宿学校遗留问题之间的联系。但实际上，那个播客以及后续的调查，对我来说是如此开阔眼界，如此令人震惊，只是，你知道，深入挖掘一所学校，尽可能多地了解我父亲，以及我的阿姨和叔叔们——他们在那所学校，实际上我家庭几代人都曾就读于那所学校——他们究竟经历了什么。在一年的调查中，我们能够创建这个幸存者证词档案。我们查阅了那所学校幸存者提起的 485 起诉讼。在这些由个体幸存者提起的诉讼中，我们才真正了解了虐待的规模，一所学校骇人听闻的虐待规模。作为一名记者，这对我来说是一次深刻的经历。我绝对相信，关于寄宿学校，仍有如此多的真相需要我们去揭示。但作为幸存者的女儿，能够了解和认识到我自己的生活是如何被我家庭的经历所塑造的，这真是太不可思议了。我觉得，这种情况应该发生在每一所学校。
Original English >> Yeah. Well, there were, you know, as you know, over 150,000 indigenous children, First Nations, Inuit and Métis kids who attended residential schools. They were open for over 100 years. There were over 100 schools across Canada. And I think that, you know, we're in this era of truth and reconciliation. I think there's a lot more awareness and understanding about generally, residential schools and what survivors experienced in residential schools. But the Indian Residential School Records Project is our attempt to to fully comprehend and understand what happened at individual institutions. And this is very much for me, an extension of the work that I've done as a journalist over the last few years. In 2022, I did a podcast called Stolen Surviving Saint Michael's that was focussed on my father's experience at a residential school in Saskatchewan. And when I began that investigation, it was after, you know, a few years of reporting on missing and murdered indigenous women and girls and understanding the link between that crisis of violence and the legacy of residential schools. But really, the podcast and the investigation that followed was, was so eye opening and so shocking to me, just, you know, to really dig deep into a single school, to really try to understand as much as we could about what my father and, and, you know, my aunts and uncles who were there at the school, actually for generations of my family attended that one school. What they really survived. And in a year long investigation, we were able to create this archive of survivor testimony. We were able to access 485 lawsuits that were filed by survivors of this one school. And in those lawsuits filed by individual survivors, you know, we were really able to understand the scale of abuse, the horrifying scale of abuse at a single school. And it was such a, you know, profound experience for me as a as a journalist. Absolutely. To understand there's still so much truth we have to uncover about residential schools. But also as a daughter of a survivor, it was so incredible to, to know and understand how my own life has been shaped by my family's experience. And I felt like that should happen at every school.
### 承担重任的决心与创伤知情视角 **主持人**: 这是项严肃的任务。正如你提到的，这是你职业生涯中长期报道的故事。我很好奇，无论是关于你的父亲、其他家人，还是你没有任何关联的人，在这个项目中，你是否曾有过一丝犹豫，担心在确保这些故事被听到时，因为承担如此重大的责任而感到不安？
Original English >> I have. This is a serious undertaking. And this is, as you mentioned, this is a story that stories that you have covered for a very long time throughout your career. And I am curious, you know, whether it is your father or another family member or someone that you have no connection to. Was there ever a moment, particularly with this project, that, you know, was there any trepidation in terms of entering this project and making sure that, you know, that these stories are heard? And, you know, there's a lot of weight in that?
**Connie Walker**: 绝对。我认为，无论是一般而言，还是就那个播客而言，我从未轻视过这项工作。我认为我每一步都提醒自己这项工作的严肃性，对吧？这些是非常极其敏感的个人故事，关于针对儿童的、可怕的虐待，无论他们是我的亲属，还是圣迈克尔学校或其他学校或机构的其他幸存者。我认为，我们当然需要以一种创伤知情的方式来考虑这些，一种真正努力放大幸存者声音的方式。我一直回顾的是，这些学校存在了很多年，几十年的时间。直到 80 年代和 90 年代，幸存者才开始站出来谈论他们在印第安寄宿学校所经历的虐待。而且很长一段时间，他们不被相信。他们不得不去法庭，不得不去尝试在这样一个不利于相信他们或听取他们意见的体系中证明这些指控，也无法实现正义和问责。甚至 **IAP** 听证会，对许多幸存者来说，也是他们第一次出来分享自己的故事。而且当他们讲述时，他们必须以非常详细、非常图形化的方式讲述，关于他们所经历的虐待的非常具体的事情。如果他们被相信，他们就会得到赔偿。我说是“如果被相信”，因为有时他们并不被相信。我们采访过圣迈克尔学校的一些幸存者，他们的初步索赔被拒绝了，尽管他们声称受到了一个已知对其他儿童进行虐待的牧师的虐待。我认为，当你想到幸存者为了获得赔偿付出了多少努力，更不用说，他们正在记录和证明他们小时候所遭受的罪行，而这些罪行并未作为 **IAP** 的一部分被调查，它只关乎赔偿。所以，当我想象幸存者们为了分享真相、分享他们的故事所做的一切时，我认为，这当然让我想要尽可能敏感，但这确实是一项非常重要的工作。
Original English >> Absolutely. I think that that was never something this work generally, and even with the podcast, was never something that, that I took lightly. I think that I was reminded at every step, almost of, of the seriousness of this undertaking, right? These are very incredibly sensitive personal stories like of, of terrible abuse that was committed against children, whether, you know, whether they're my relatives or other survivors of Saint Michael's or other other schools or institutions. That's something that I think, obviously, you know, is so incredibly important to, to consider in a, in a trauma informed way, in, in a way that really. Tries to amplify the voices of survivors. The thing that I kind of always have gone back to is that, you know, these institutions of these schools were open for so many years, for decades, really. And it wasn't until the 80s and the 90s where survivors started coming forward and talking about the abuse they experienced in Indian residential schools. And for a long time, you know, they weren't believed. They had to go to court. They had to, you know, try to prove these allegations in, in, in a system that wasn't conducive to believing them or to hearing them and to allowing for justice and accountability, even even the IAP hearings, you know, it was in some ways for a lot of survivors the first time that they had had come forward to share their stories. And when they told they had to, they had to tell in very graphic detail, you know, very specific things about the abuse that they experienced. And if they were believed, they received compensation. And I say if they were believed, because sometimes they they weren't believed. You know, we spoke to survivors who at Saint Michael's who, you know, whose initial claims had been denied despite the fact that they claimed they were abused by a priest who who was known to be abusive in the same way to other children. And I think that when you think about how much survivors had to fight in order to to receive even compensation, let alone like, you know, they were recording and testifying to, you know, crimes that were committed against them as children, but they were never investigated as part of the I. AP, you know, it was only for compensation. And so when I think about what survivors have done to try to share their truth, to try to, to share their stories, I think that, you know, obviously makes me want to be as sensitive as I possibly can, but really that this is very important work.
### 项目进展与学生参与 **主持人**: 正如你提到的 **IAP** 和独立评估程序。让我们来谈谈这个项目，因为它有一些令人兴奋的元素，你正在利用 **TMU** 的未来，与法学院学生，还有新闻学学生。这个过程进行到哪一步了？这些学生的角色是什么？
Original English >> As you mentioned, the IAP and the independent assessment process. Let's talk a little bit about the project, because there is some some exciting elements to it in that you are tapping into the future of, you know, the of TMU with law students, some journalism students as well. Where are we at with this process and what is the role of those those students?
**Connie Walker**: 我们正处于过程的开端。我们刚刚获得了安大略省法律基金会的支持，我们的目标是复制我们在播客 **《Surviving Saint Michael's》** 中所做的工作：提交信息获取请求，以获取导致寄宿学校和解协议的幸存者提起的诉讼文件编号。现在，这些都是公开文件。所以我们的目标是直接与幸存者、他们的家人和社区合作，从幸存者提起的诉讼中创建这些新的证词档案。当我想到这一点时，你知道，播客一结束，我就觉得这应该更大范围地进行。应该为每一所学校进行，应该为每一个幸存者希望的社区、家庭和幸存者进行，包括代际幸存者。我曾认为大学是一个理想的地方。你知道，我认为它的性质是跨学科的。很幸运我们能与 **林肯·亚历山大法学院** 的法学院学生以及 **TMU** 新闻学院的新闻学学生合作。我很高兴他们能参与其中，因为我认为这对法学院学生学习和理解如何与**原住民**社区和幸存者互动非常重要。但我也认为，这对新闻学学生来说，是理解关于印第安寄宿学校真相的揭示还有多长路要走。
Original English >> We're right at the beginning of the process. We've just received some some support from the Law Foundation Foundation of Ontario to essentially what our goal is to replicate the work we did and the podcast, Surviving Saint Michael's to file access to information requests to receive the file numbers of the lawsuits that survivors filed that led to the residential school settlement agreement. Now, those are public documents. And so our goal is to to work directly with survivors, their families and communities to create these new archives of testimony from the lawsuits that survivors filed. And when I was thinking about, you know, as soon as I finished the podcast, I felt like this should happen on a broader scale. It should happen for every school. It should happen for every community and family and survivor who wants it, and intergenerational survivor. And I thought a university would be an ideal place. You know, I think it's interdisciplinary in nature. There's obviously we're so lucky to work with law students at Lincoln Alexander Law School and with journalism students from the School of Journalism at TMU. And I'm really excited to have them be a part of it because I think this is really important for, for law students to learn and understand how to engage with indigenous communities and survivors. But also, I think, to for journalism students to understand how much of the truth is, is still yet to uncover in terms of understanding what happened in, in Indian residential schools.
### 项目时间线与幸存者赋权 **主持人**: 你说你们快要开始了。关于这个项目何时完成，是否有时间表？
Original English >> You say that you guys are just about to start. Is there a timeline in terms of when you would like this to be all done?
**Connie Walker**: 嗯，是的，我认为起初，我们将专注于安大略省的五所学校。而且我认为，因为我们将如此专注于直接与幸存者及其家人和社区合作，我们真的希望这是一个我们把决定权交还给幸存者及其家人的过程，他们可以决定这些信息该如何处理，他们可以决定自己的故事该如何处理。我们真的希望围绕这种参与制定一些流程和协议，真正让幸存者及其家人掌握主导权。但我预计，这是一个可能持续多年的项目，并最终扩展到包括全国各地的寄宿学校。你知道，有 100 多所学校开放了 100 多年。我想，我在制作关于我家庭在圣迈克尔印第安寄宿学校经历的播客时，我意识到的一件事是，当播客出来时，我收到了许多其他代际幸存者的反馈，你知道，这是一个关于我父亲和他经历的个人故事。但他们说，感觉就像是他们的故事一样。我在谈论他们，以及他们的父母或祖父母，这让我意识到，你知道，对代际幸存者来说，这有多么重要，因为，你知道，我们的生活显然受到我们父母和祖父母在这些学校经历的影响，但我们很多人并不知道他们真正经历了什么，不真正理解他们经历了什么。我认为这是我作为一名记者，在帮助保存真相和提高认识方面的重要组成部分。但我也认为，就个人而言，能够理解这一点感觉非常重要。
Original English >> Well, I mean, yeah, I think that at the outset, we're going to be focusing on on five schools in Ontario. And I think because we're going to be so focussed on working directly with survivors and their families and communities, we really want this to be a process where we are giving the agency back to survivors and their families in terms of, they can decide what should happen with this information, they can decide what should happen with their own stories. We're really hoping to develop some, some kind of processes and protocols around that engagement and really putting putting survivors and their families in the driver's seat. But I anticipate this is a project that goes on potentially for for many years and eventually expands to include residential schools across the country. You know, there were over 100 that were open for over 100 years. And I think that one thing that I've realised in doing the podcast about my my family's experience at Saint Michael's Indian Residential School is I heard from so many other intergenerational survivors when that podcast came out, you know, it was a very personal story about my father and his experience at this residential school. But they said it felt like it was their story, too. I was talking about them and their parents or grandparents, and it made me realise, you know, just how important it is for intergenerational survivors because, you know, obviously our lives have been shaped by our parents and grandparents experience in these schools, but so many of us don't know what it is they really survived, don't really understand what they went through. And I think this is an important part of, you know, my role as a journalist in helping to preserve as much of the truth and, and raise awareness. But I think it's also, you know, personally, it feels like a really important thing to be able to, to understand.
### 项目对真相与和解的意义 **主持人**: 你提到了真相，还有很多真相需要揭示。但像这样的项目对于加拿大的真相与和解意味着什么？
Original English >> You mentioned truth, and there's a lot more that needs to come from that. But what do projects like this mean for truth and reconciliation here in Canada?
**Connie Walker**: 我认为，在我所做的各种报道中，我学到的一件事是，我做了很多关于失踪和被谋杀**原住民**女性和女孩的报道。对我来说，这确实引导我报道了印第安寄宿学校，因为我认为我们在**原住民**社区中，尤其是在新闻界，谈论了很多当代问题。我认为我自己的职业生涯和调查教会了我，这一切都与加拿大印第安寄宿学校以及加拿大的殖民化这个更大的故事紧密相连。我认为，这项工作确实让我认识到，我们仍处于真相与和解的真相阶段。我们仍然需要了解和理解很多东西。作为记者，我们还有很多工作要做，去揭露这些机构中发生的事情的真相。这也是激励我以及我所做工作的动力。
Original English >> You know, I think that one thing that I've learned in, in the various reporting that I've done, you know, I've done a lot of reporting on missing and murdered indigenous women and girls. And that to me was really kind of, you know, led me to reporting on Indian residential schools because I think there are so many contemporary issues that, that we talk about in indigenous communities, especially in journalism. And I think my, my, my own career and my own investigations have taught me how it's so interconnected to this bigger story in Canada of Indian residential schools. But also of colonisation in Canada. And I think that, you know, this work has really shown me that there is, you know, that we're still in the truth phase of truth and reconciliation. There's still so much we need to know and understand. And as journalists, so much work for us to do, to really expose the truth of what happened in these institutions. And that's something that really motivates me and the work that I'm doing.
### 媒体对原住民故事的兴趣演变与挑战 **主持人**: 从你职业生涯早期到现在，情况有何变化？说服编辑和制片人这些故事很重要，现在是否更容易了？你讲述自己的故事，获得了普利策奖和皮博迪奖？如果不是这些认可，你认为这些故事会具有同样的份量吗？
Original English >> Do you have to ask from your early career to where you are now? Is it easier now to convince editors and producers that these stories matter? You telling your own story, which won a Pulitzer Prize and a Peabody? Like, if it wasn't for those recognitions, do you think these stories that they would have the same sort of weight in that sense?
**Connie Walker**: 是的，绝对。我是说，当我刚开始的时候，我从 2000 年就开始做记者了。你知道，起初，人们对关于**原住民**人民和社区的故事几乎没有兴趣。而且，我认为不幸的是，有一种看法，一种错误的看法，认为这些故事不重要，或者加拿大人不在乎。我认为，尤其是在过去十年、十五年里，这种情况发生了巨大的变化，这是因为幸存者们的努力，因为 **TRC** 的工作。但这是我从不认为理所当然的。你知道，我认为，随着真相与和解意识的增强，也存在日益增长的否认主义。有些人或组织正在积极否认印第安寄宿学校发生的事情，也否认幸存者、真相委员会和对话者报告所证明的印第安寄宿学校所发生的事情。所以，我从不认为这是理所当然的。我还认为，尽管**加拿大**新闻界取得了很大进步。你知道，仍然有很多工作要做。我认为，我应该指出，我获得的奖项，**普利策奖**和**皮博迪奖**，实际上是我离开**加拿大**去一家美国新闻机构工作时获得的，他们支持了关于**加拿大**故事的工作。所以，我认为，我从不认为这将是理所当然的。
Original English >> Yeah, absolutely. I mean, when I first started, I'm, you know, I've been a journalist since 2000, you know, at the very beginning, there was very little interest in stories about indigenous people and communities. And I think, unfortunately, there was there was a belief, a false belief that those stories were an important or that Canadians didn't care about them. And I think that has changed, obviously, dramatically over the last, especially ten, 15 years, because of the work of survivors, because of the work of the TRC. But it's never something that I take for granted. You know, I think that along with, you know, maybe this this awareness of truth and reconciliation, there's also growing denialism. There are people and organisations out there who actively deny what's happened in Indian residential schools and deny what survivors and truth commissions and interlocutor reports have have proven about what was happening in Indian residential schools. So it's never something I take for granted. I think also as much progress has been made in Canadian journalism. You know, there is still so much work to to do. I think, you know, I should point out that the the awards that I won, the Pulitzer and the Peabody was, were actually when I left Canada to, to work for an American news Organization and that supported that work about a Canadian story. So I think that, you know, that's never something I take for granted that's going to be a given.
**主持人**: 我猜这可能也是一种苦乐参半的感受。
Original English >> I imagine a bittersweet feeling as well.
**Connie Walker**: 是的。我是说，当然，但我想，这不是一种不熟悉的感觉。我认为，我肯定不是唯一一个在主流新闻编辑室、传统媒体中感到代表性不足的**原住民**记者或有色人种记者，但我们却努力推动这些故事向前发展，证明其对**加拿大**和**加拿大人**的意义、重要性和相关性。我认为，这是我们必须一直继续做的工作。
Original English >> Yeah. I mean, sure, but I think that, you know, it's, it's, it's not an unfamiliar feeling. I think certainly I'm not the only indigenous journalist or journalist of colour who feels underrepresented in mainstream newsrooms, in legacy media, but who have then, you know, done the work of pushing these stories forward, of proving the significance, the importance, the relevance to Canada and to Canadians. And I think that's that's work that we're always just going to have to continue to do.
### 红裙日与失踪/被谋杀原住民女性问题 **主持人**: 好的。今天是**红裙日**。你希望人们，**加拿大人**、**安大略人**，今天反思些什么？
Original English >> All right. Today is Red Dress Day what is something you would like people, Canadians, Ontarians, to reflect on today?
**Connie Walker**: 是的，我是说，在我做过的很多报道中，关于这场暴力危机和失踪及被谋杀的**原住民**女性和女孩。你知道，我总是想着她们，比如 **Cleo Semaganis**、**Leah Anderson**、**Germaine Charlo** 以及她们的家人和社区。以及你知道，我的许多报道显然是为了帮助人们再次理解这场危机的规模，理解它在**原住民**社区中有多么广泛，但也永远不要忘记故事核心中的真实人物，以及今天仍在悲痛、纪念他们失去的亲人的真实家庭。他们真的只是想，你知道，想着她们，并向她们表达支持，因为她们在悲伤和哀悼的同时，往往还被迫成为她们亲人的倡导者，并且，你知道，与记者和其他人合作，努力争取正义、问责和真相。我认为这两件事是紧密相连的。
Original English >> Yeah, I mean, in any you know, I've done quite a lot of reporting on on this crisis of violence and on missing and murdered indigenous women and girls. And, you know, I am always thinking of of them the, you know, Cleo Semaganis, Leah Anderson, Germaine Charlo and their families and communities. And how, you know, so much of my reporting has been obviously wanting to help people understand the scale again, of this crisis and understanding just how broad reaching it is in indigenous communities, but also never forgetting the real people at the heart of the stories and the real families that are grieving today and are remembering their lost loved ones and really just want to, you know, think of them and, and send them support because what they do when they obviously are grieving and mourning, they're often also forced to become advocates for their loved ones and to, to, you know, to work with journalists and other people to, to try to help fight for justice and accountability and, and the truth. And I think these two issues are very connected.
### 结束语 **主持人**: Connie，我们就此打住。但我想非常感谢你所做的工作，当然，也感谢你为这样一个重要故事所付出的热情。非常感谢你。
Original English >> Connie. We are going to have to leave it there. But I want to thank you so much for the work that you do, of course, but for your passion as well, for such an important story. So thank you so much.
**Connie Walker**: 非常感谢你邀请我。我真的很感激。
Original English >> Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it.