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summary: Dyno Therapeutics首席执行官Eric Kelsic探讨了基因疗法的巨大潜力与当前挑战。他详细介绍了利用腺相关病毒（AAV）衣壳作为基因递送载体的技术，并强调了通过AI指导设计和机器学习来优化衣壳序列的重要性。文章还讨论了Zolgensma等突破性疗法，降低基因治疗成本的愿景，以及未来基因技术可能赋予个体更大的“基因自主权”，从而实现个性化、可升级的治疗方案，彻底改变我们对基因的认知。
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- design
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- health
title: 基因疗法的未来：AI如何解锁细胞内精准递送与个性化治疗
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### 基因疗法的愿景与挑战

作为人类，我们都渴望同样的东西：充满美好体验的生活，与家人和朋友共度更多时光，拥有更多去爱的机会。

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<p class="english-text">As humans, we all want the same thing,
a life that's full of good experiences,
more time with family, with friends,
more time to love,</p>
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然而，有时**遗传疾病**（Genetic Illness: 由基因异常引起的疾病）会缩短我们的生命，或者对我们所有人来说，在某个时刻，我们的身体会衰竭。

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<p class="english-text">but sometimes genetic
illness can cut that short
or really, for all of us at some point,
our body breaks down.</p>
</details>

我们的身体是基因机器。对于许多疾病来说，病因在于**基因组**（Genome: 构成生物体全部遗传信息的DNA序列）中的突变。

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<p class="english-text">And our bodies are genetic machines.
For many diseases, the
cause of the disease
is a mutation in the genome.</p>
</details>

**基因疗法**（Gene Therapy: 通过修改或替换基因来治疗疾病的方法）是许多人几十年来，甚至超过50年来的愿景。

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<p class="english-text">Gene therapy is a vision that
many have had for decades,
more than 50 years.</p>
</details>

基因技术的强大之处在于，一旦你将一个**DNA分子**（DNA Molecule）送入细胞内部，这个分子就可以在细胞的整个生命周期中停留。

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<p class="english-text">The power of genetic technology is that
once you get inside of
cells with a DNA molecule,
that molecule can stay there
for the lifetime of the cell.</p>
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因此，它有潜力成为一种一次性治疗方案，用于那些你无法通过其他方式触及细胞并解决疾病根本原因的疾病。

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<p class="english-text">So it's the potential
for a one-time treatment
for a disease where you wouldn't otherwise
be able to reach the cells
and solve for the root
cause of the disease.</p>
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然而，直到今天，在大多数情况下，你出生时的基因组就是你死亡时的基因组。

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<p class="english-text">Today though, for the most part,
the genome you're born with
is the genome you die with.</p>
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对这种分子层面的干预，对我们几乎所有人来说都遥不可及。

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<p class="english-text">Access to this molecular level
is out of reach for almost all of us.</p>
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我们尝试了许多不同的方法，但在将足够的基因**治疗载荷**（Therapeutic Payload: 基因疗法中携带的治疗性基因或分子）送入细胞以发挥治疗作用方面，一直举步维艰。

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<p class="english-text">We've tried many different things,
but have really struggled
to be able to get
enough of the genetic
payload into the cells
where they're gonna be
effective as a therapeutic.</p>
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而进入细胞内部，这在许多年里一直是一个巨大的挑战。

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<p class="english-text">And it's getting inside of the cells
that has really been a
challenge for many, many years.</p>
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我是Eric Kelsic，Dyno Therapeutics的首席执行官兼联合创始人。

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<p class="english-text">I'm Eric Kelsic, CEO and
co-founder at Dyno Therapeutics.</p>
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在过去的十年里，我一直致力于解决基因递送这一重大挑战。

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<p class="english-text">For the past 10 years, I've been working
to solve the grand
challenge of gene delivery.</p>
</details>

我们如何才能让基因疗法成为主流药物？

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<p class="english-text">How are we gonna make gene therapy
a mainstream kind of medicine?</p>
</details>

我们需要解决这些重大挑战，例如递送问题，即能够将治疗载荷递送至可能对患者健康有益的每个器官或每个细胞。

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<p class="english-text">We need to solve these grand
challenges like delivery,
being able to deliver
a therapeutic payload
to every organ or every cell
where there might be some
benefit to patient health.</p>
</details>

### Dyno的解决方案：工程化病毒衣壳

为了实现这一目标，我们正在设计源自病毒的**蛋白质外壳**（Protein Shells）。

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<p class="english-text">To do that, we're
engineering protein shells
derived from viruses.</p>
</details>

**衣壳**（Capsids: 病毒的蛋白质外壳，用于保护遗传物质并帮助病毒进入细胞）是**腺相关病毒**（Adeno-Associated Virus, AAV: 一种小型病毒，常用作基因疗法中的载体，因为它通常不致病且能有效递送基因）的蛋白质外壳。

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<p class="english-text">Capsids are the protein shells
of adeno-associated virus.</p>
</details>

AAV，即腺相关病毒，是其他病毒的寄生虫。

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<p class="english-text">AAVs, adeno-associated virus,
is a parasite of other viruses.</p>
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AAV天然已知不会引起任何疾病。

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<p class="english-text">AAV naturally isn't known
to cause any disease.</p>
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AAV之所以受到广泛关注，是因为它是最小的病毒之一，这使其能够进入身体各处的许多部位，而这些部位正是我们需要递送治疗性DNA的地方。

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<p class="english-text">The reason why AAV gets a lot of attention
is because it's one of
the smallest viruses,
and that enables it to get into
many places all across the body
where we need to deliver
a therapeutic DNA.</p>
</details>

我们对它在自然界中的功能仍然知之甚少。

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<p class="english-text">We still don't know a lot about
how it functions naturally.</p>
</details>

尽管如此，我们不需要完全理解病毒的所有工作原理，就能将其改造为一种治疗技术，这正是Dyno的重点：工程化衣壳序列，使衣壳成为基因疗法更好的递送载体。

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<p class="english-text">That said, we don't need to understand
everything about how the virus works
in order to adapt it as
a therapeutic technology,
and that's our focus at Dyno,
engineering the capsid sequence
to make capsids a better delivery vehicle
for gene therapies.</p>
</details>

衣壳的奇妙之处在于它们在自然界中进化出多种功能。

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<p class="english-text">What's amazing about capsids
is they're evolved in nature
to do so many different things.</p>
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它们可以穿过你的身体，通过血液，找到细胞，进入细胞，然后释放到**细胞质**（Cytoplasm: 细胞膜以内、细胞核以外的区域），通过**核孔**（Nuclear Pore）进入**细胞核**（Nucleus），打开衣壳并释放基因组，在那里基因组得以表达。

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<p class="english-text">So they can go through your
body, through the blood,
find a cell, enter the cell,
and then be released
into the cell cytoplasm,
get into the nucleus
through the nuclear pore,
break open the capsid
and release the genome,
and that's where it expresses.</p>
</details>

因此，对于基因疗法来说，从血液进入细胞，进入细胞质，进入细胞核，然后表达基因载荷，这正是其全部目标。

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<p class="english-text">So for a gene therapy, going
from the blood, into cells,
into the cytoplasm, into the nucleus,
and then expressing the genetic payload,
that's entirely the goal.</p>
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当治疗性基因在细胞核中表达时，它们可以为患者的整个生命周期治疗这些细胞。

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<p class="english-text">And when therapeutic genes
are expressed in the nucleus,
they can be treating those cells
for a patient's entire lifetime.</p>
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作为一次性治疗，它可能是一种有效的治愈方法。

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<p class="english-text">As a one-time treatment, it
can be an effective cure.</p>
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然而，天然衣壳对于大多数治疗目的来说效率不够高。

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<p class="english-text">However, natural capsids,
they're not efficient enough
for most therapeutic purposes.</p>
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### 定向进化与AI驱动的优化

因此，在过去的28年里，蛋白质工程师们一直致力于修改衣壳，使其作为治疗性蛋白质表现更好，他们应用了一种称为**定向进化**（Directed Evolution: 一种实验室技术，通过模拟自然选择过程来改进蛋白质或核酸的功能）的技术。

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<p class="english-text">So for the past 28 years,
protein engineers have been
working to modify the capsid
to make it better as
a therapeutic protein,
applying a technique
called directed evolution.</p>
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定向进化就像自然界中发生的进化，但其目标是我们选择的。

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<p class="english-text">Directed evolution is
evolution like occurs in nature
but for a goal that we choose,</p>
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最常见的方法是随机改变衣壳序列，以创建非常大的文库，包含数百万甚至数十亿种不同的衣壳序列分子。

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<p class="english-text">and the most common
approach there had been to
randomly change the capsid sequence
to make very large libraries,
millions or even billions of different
capsid sequence molecules.</p>
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拥有一个质量很低但规模庞大的文库，你有机会获得一个好的结果，但这就像大海捞针。

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<p class="english-text">With a very low quality
library, but a very large one,
you have a chance of getting a good hit,
but it's like a needle in a haystack.</p>
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原因在于衣壳有许多不同的功能，如果你破坏了其中任何一个，那么作为治疗剂，它基本上就没用了。

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<p class="english-text">And the reason is because the capsid has
many different functions,
and if you break even one of them,
then, as a therapeutic,
it's essentially useless.</p>
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你对衣壳所做的单一改变中，大约80%会破坏其最基本的功能，即基因组的组装和包装。

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<p class="english-text">Roughly 80% of the single changes
that you could make to the capsid
break the most essential function,
which is the assembly and
packaging of the genome.</p>
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这意味着，如果你偶然进行任何突变，五次中有四次会破坏其功能。

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<p class="english-text">What that means is that, if by
chance you make any mutation,
four out of five times, it's
gonna break the function.</p>
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这对工程设计来说是个问题，因为要获得改进的功能，我们需要进行多次改变，甚至数百次改变。

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<p class="english-text">And that's a problem
for engineering because,
to get improved function,
we're gonna need to make multiple changes,
maybe even hundreds of changes.</p>
</details>

所以，如果每次你做出改变，可行性都会下降，那么要拥有一个能够找到改进衣壳的改变文库就非常困难。

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<p class="english-text">So if every time you make a change,
the viability drops down,
it's really hard to have
a library of changes that are going to
do a chance of finding an improved capsid.</p>
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这还只是基本问题。你需要能够大规模生产和纯化衣壳。

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<p class="english-text">And that's just the basics.
You need to be able to
produce and purify that capsid at scale.</p>
</details>

它需要在低温或冷冻条件下稳定，但即使在相对高温的体内，它也需要进入正确的细胞。

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<p class="english-text">It needs to be stable at
low temperature or frozen,
but even when it's in your body,
which is a relatively high temperature,
it also needs to get into the right cells.</p>
</details>

例如，大脑中的基因疗法存在大量未满足的需求，因为治疗性蛋白质或其他分子很难穿过**血脑屏障**（Blood-Brain Barrier: 一种由脑血管内皮细胞形成的屏障，限制血液中物质进入大脑）。

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<p class="english-text">For example, there's a lot of unmet need
for gene therapy in the brain
because it's very difficult
to get therapeutic proteins
or other molecules across
the blood-brain barrier.</p>
</details>

在高剂量下，你可能只能进入大脑中0.1%或略多一点的**神经元**（Neurons），这不足以治疗许多疾病。

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<p class="english-text">At a high dose, you might
be able to get into .1%
or maybe a little bit more
of the neurons in the brain.
That's not enough to treat many diseases.</p>
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除此之外，大多数衣壳会将载荷递送至肝脏。

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<p class="english-text">And in addition to that,
most of the capsid delivers
its payload to the liver.</p>
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在高剂量下，这也可能变得有毒。

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<p class="english-text">And at a high enough dose,
that can also become toxic.</p>
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我们需要提高递送至靶细胞的效率。

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<p class="english-text">We need to improve the
efficiency of delivery
to the target cell.</p>
</details>

经过几十年的尝试，我们未能获得足够多的改进变体，或者未能获得针对所有所需功能进行优化的变体，以使其作为基因疗法有效。

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<p class="english-text">Over decades of trying this approach,
we just didn't get
enough improved variants
or variants that were optimized
for all the different
functions that were needed
to make them effective as gene therapies.</p>
</details>

我看到一股新的技术浪潮正在到来，它有潜力彻底改变我们设计蛋白质的方式。

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<p class="english-text">I had seen that there was a
new wave of technologies coming
with the potential to change
the way that we engineer
proteins completely.</p>
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### AI指导设计与迭代优化

这始于**DNA多重技术**（DNA Multiplexing Technology）。

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<p class="english-text">It starts with this DNA
multiplexing technology.</p>
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我们有一个想要进行的实验想法，即测试许多不同的衣壳。

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<p class="english-text">So we have an idea of an
experiment we want to run,
testing many different capsids.</p>
</details>

它们可能被设计成与特定受体结合，或者它们可能被设计在之前被我们发现有前景的序列空间区域中。

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<p class="english-text">They might be designed to
bind to a certain receptor
or they might be designed
in a neighborhood of sequence space
that before we found is promising.</p>
</details>

我们想出了一种方法来构建非常大的衣壳文库，其中序列是经过编程的，这意味着我们在计算机上设计了它，合成了DNA，然后将其克隆到衣壳中，这样就可以以几毫升的量进行注射。

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<p class="english-text">And we came up with a way of
building very large libraries of
capsids in which the
sequence was programmed,
meaning we had designed it on a computer,
synthesized that DNA,
and then cloned it into the capsid,
so this could be injected in a few mLs.</p>
</details>

我们对人类安全有效的最佳预测方法是进行动物实验。

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<p class="english-text">The best way we have to make a prediction
about what's gonna be safe
and effective for humans
is to do an animal experiment.</p>
</details>

我们大部分的筛选工作都在**非人灵长类动物**（Non-Human Primates）中进行，特别是**食蟹猕猴**（Cynomolgus Monkeys）。

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<p class="english-text">We do most of our screening
in non-human primates,
especially in cynomolgus monkeys.</p>
</details>

这也是我们开发这项技术的原因之一，因为它们的生命也非常宝贵。

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<p class="english-text">That's one reason why we
developed this technology
because their lives
are also very precious.</p>
</details>

我们希望从一次实验中尽可能多地获取信息。

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<p class="english-text">We wanna get as much information as we can
from even one experiment.</p>
</details>

在这种情况下，我们可能在同一只动物身上测量一百或二十万，有时甚至一百万种不同的衣壳序列。

<details>
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<p class="english-text">In this case, we're measuring
maybe a hundred or two hundred thousand,
sometimes even a million
different capsid sequences
in that one animal.</p>
</details>

我们会从动物实验中取回所有这些组织，然后我们希望从实验中尽可能多地学习，这意味着检查每个器官。

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<p class="english-text">We'll get all these tissues back
from our animal experiments,
and then we wanna learn as much as we can
from that experiment,
meaning look at every organ.</p>
</details>

衣壳去了哪里，或者没有去哪里？

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<p class="english-text">Where did the capsids go
or where did they not go?</p>
</details>

提取**核酸**（Nucleic Acids），纯化DNA，纯化RNA。

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<p class="english-text">Extract the nucleic acids,
purify the DNA, purify the RNA.</p>
</details>

然后你可以追溯到这个分子对应的衣壳序列是什么？

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<p class="english-text">You can then work all the way back to
what was the capsid sequence
that this molecule corresponds to?</p>
</details>

文库中这种序列是更多还是更少？

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<p class="english-text">Is there more or less
of that in the library?</p>
</details>

如果更多，可能意味着它在递送功能上有所改进。

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<p class="english-text">And if there's more, that might mean that
it was functionally improved for delivery.</p>
</details>

如果更少，可能意味着存在问题，它被破坏了。

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<p class="english-text">If there's less, it might
mean that there was a problem
and it was broken.</p>
</details>

我们在整个文库中都这样做。

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<p class="english-text">We do this across all of our library.</p>
</details>

今天在Dyno，我们从DNA测序中获得了数PB的数据。

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<p class="english-text">At Dyno today we've got petabytes of data
from the DNA sequencing.</p>
</details>

我一直认为蛋白质太复杂了，人类无法理解，对我来说更是如此。

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<p class="english-text">I had always thought that proteins,
they're too complex for us
to understand as humans,
certainly too complex
for me to understand.</p>
</details>

当你看到一串735个字母时，很难注意到所有的差异。

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<p class="english-text">When you look at a string of 735 letters,
it's really hard to notice
all the differences.</p>
</details>

但有了所有这些数据，我甚至自己都能看到，数据中存在许多模式，关于在每个位置哪些**氨基酸**（Amino Acids）有效。

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<p class="english-text">But with all that data, what
I could see, even myself, was
there's a lot of patterns in that data,
patterns about which amino
acids work at each position.</p>
</details>

我的想法是，如果我能识别这些模式，并且数据集如此庞大，其中可能还有更多信息。

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<p class="english-text">My thought was that if I
could recognize those patterns
and the data set is so vast,
there's probably a lot more
information in them as well.</p>
</details>

这实际上是**机器学习模型**（Machine Learning Model）的完美问题类型。

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<p class="english-text">That's actually the
perfect type of problem
for a machine learning model.</p>
</details>

我们可以使用AI来自动化所有这些数据的分析，并找到更细微的模式，以最大化成功的机会，即找到改进变体的预期价值。

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<p class="english-text">We can use AI to automate
the analysis of all that data
and to find even more nuanced patterns
to maximize the chances of success,
the expected value of
finding an improved variant.</p>
</details>

我们称之为**AI指导设计**（AI-guided Design）。

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<p class="english-text">We call that AI-guided design.</p>
</details>

但一旦我们有了这些数据并用它们训练了模型，我们现在就可以查询这些模型数十亿次。

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<p class="english-text">But once we have that data
and we've trained models on it,
we can now query those models
billions and billions of times.</p>
</details>

因此，我们扩展计算工作的能力甚至高于分子方面。

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<p class="english-text">So our ability to scale
the computational work
is even higher than the molecular side.</p>
</details>

我们不可能在实验中测试所有东西。

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<p class="english-text">We can't possibly test
everything in an experiment.</p>
</details>

但通过机器学习，我们可以在**计算机模拟**（In Silico: 指在计算机或通过计算机模拟进行的实验或分析）中测试许多不同的序列，这意味着在计算机上，模型会告诉我们它们认为哪些更好。

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<p class="english-text">But with machine learning,
we can test many different
sequences in silico,
meaning on a computer,
and the models will tell us which ones
they think are better,</p>
</details>

或者我们可能会尝试许多模型，数十或数百个不同的模型，每个模型都有不同的见解。

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<p class="english-text">or we might try many models,
tens or hundreds of different models
that each have a different insight.</p>
</details>

我们比较所有这些不同“专家”的意见，以选择我们非常有信心值得投资的序列，然后将其推进到下一个实验。

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<p class="english-text">And we compare the opinions
of all those different experts
to choose the ones that
we're very confident
are worth investing in
as we bring them forward
into the next experiment.</p>
</details>

因此，这是一个迭代循环：在DNA中创建文库，测量它们的特性，然后构建模型来分析和理解这些特性。

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<p class="english-text">So it's this iterative cycle
of making libraries in DNA,
measuring their properties,
then building models
to analyze and understand
those properties.</p>
</details>

然后查询模型，了解我们下一步应该去哪里寻找最有前景的序列空间区域。

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<p class="english-text">Then querying the models to know
where are the most promising regions
of sequence space that we should go next.</p>
</details>

然后回到设计新的文库，并将其转化为DNA。

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<p class="english-text">And then going back to
design a new library,
turning that into DNA.</p>
</details>

我们使用了大量的技术，但在进行下一轮实验之前，总会在某个时候有人类判断。

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<p class="english-text">We're using a lot of technology,
but there's always human
judgment at some point
before we do another round of experiments.</p>
</details>

我认为，随着时间的推移，我们希望做的是让人类处于更高的杠杆点，这样他们就能够运用卓越的判断力，并将一些更常规的任务转移给AI代理，甚至只是在计算机上运行的简单脚本。

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<p class="english-text">I think that, over time, what we wanna do
is put humans at an even
higher point of leverage
so that they're able to use
their exceptional judgment
and shift some of the more
routine tasks to AI agents
or even just to simple scripts
that run on the computer.</p>
</details>

能够更有效地与AI协作是我们希望实现的目标，这样我们就可以，例如，向AI发出指令，自动化我们如何分析文库或如何设计它，并获得我们期望的答案。

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<p class="english-text">Being able to collaborate
with AIs more effectively
is where we'd like to go so that we can,
for example, give instructions to the AI
to automate how we analyze the
library or how we design it
and get back the answers that we expect.</p>
</details>

我们希望尽快获得结果。

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<p class="english-text">We wanna get the results
as fast as we can.</p>
</details>

患者正在等待更好的药物。

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<p class="english-text">Patients are waiting for better medicines.</p>
</details>

我们希望确保如果出现任何问题，我们能迅速发现，为此，我们需要人类参与其中。

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<p class="english-text">We wanna make sure that,
if there's anything wrong,
we catch it quickly,
and for that, we need a human in the loop.</p>
</details>

### 基因疗法的变革性潜力

基因技术的强大之处在于，一旦你将一个DNA分子送入细胞内部，这个分子就可以在细胞的整个生命周期中停留。

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<p class="english-text">The power of genetic technology is that
once you get inside of
cells with a DNA molecule,
that molecule can stay there
for the lifetime of the cell.</p>
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例如，在不分裂的神经元中，将正确的治疗性DNA序列送入神经元，可以有效地治愈患者的整个生命周期。

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<p class="english-text">So for example, in the neurons
where they're not dividing,
getting the right therapeutic
DNA sequence into the neuron
can be effectively a cure for
a patient's entire lifetime.</p>
</details>

这就是为什么在Dyno，我自己以及我们许多人对基因疗法的潜力如此兴奋的原因。

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<p class="english-text">That's the reason why at Dyno,
and myself personally, and many of us
are so excited about the
potential of gene therapy.</p>
</details>

一个很好的例子是**Zolgensma**（一种用于治疗脊髓性肌萎缩症（SMA）的基因疗法药物），它现在是一种获批的药物，并且确实是一种突破性药物。

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<p class="english-text">A good example of this would be Zolgensma,
which is now an approved medicine
and was really a breakthrough drug.</p>
</details>

在Zolgensma治疗之前，**脊髓性肌萎缩症**（Spinal Muscular Atrophy, SMA: 一种遗传性神经肌肉疾病，导致肌肉无力、萎缩）是儿童遗传病死亡的主要原因。

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<p class="english-text">SMA, spinal muscular atrophy,
was the leading cause of death
from a genetic disease in
children prior to this treatment.</p>
</details>

问题在于患者的**SMN1基因**（SMN1 Gene）功能失常。

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<p class="english-text">The problem is that the SMN1 gene
is not functional in patients.</p>
</details>

在基因疗法出现之前，这种疾病总是导致患儿在非常年幼时死亡。

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<p class="english-text">This disease, prior to gene
therapy, was always fatal
at a very young age.</p>
</details>

儿童通常在两三岁左右就会去世。

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<p class="english-text">Children would die
usually around two or three years old.</p>
</details>

然而，有了Zolgensma，如果儿童在生命最初几周（比如）非常早期接受治疗，基因疗法可以恢复该基因的功能。

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<p class="english-text">With Zolgensma though,
if children are treated very early,
in the first few weeks of life, say,
the gene therapy can restore
the function of that gene.</p>
</details>

通过一次性治疗，它可以完全治愈这种疾病。

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<p class="english-text">It can, with a one-time treatment,
completely cure the disease.</p>
</details>

这是基因疗法惊人潜力的一个例子。

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<p class="english-text">And it's an example of the
amazing potential of gene therapy.</p>
</details>

不幸的是，目前只有少数几种**FDA批准的基因疗法**（FDA-approved Gene Therapies），但我们已知的遗传病有数千种，7000种或更多。

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<p class="english-text">What's unfortunate is that there's,
today, just a handful of
FDA-approved gene therapies,
but there's thousands of genetic diseases
that we know about, 7,000 or more.</p>
</details>

对于其中大多数，我们没有可用的良好治疗方案。

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<p class="english-text">And for most of them,
we have no good treatment
options available.</p>
</details>

我们希望通过衣壳工程工作，通过解决递送问题，使其更容易进入所有细胞，从而能够应用我们从**基因组测序**（Genome Sequencing）和**系统生物学**（Systems Biology）中获得的知识，开发出能够治疗这些疾病根本原因的疗法。

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<p class="english-text">What we want to be able to do
with our capsid engineering work,
by solving deliveries,
make it easier to get into
all the cells that will
enable us to then apply
the knowledge we have
from genome sequencing
and from systems biology
to develop therapies that are gonna treat
the underlying cause of those diseases.</p>
</details>

### 降低成本与扩大可及性

今天，我们大部分的注意力，以及行业大部分的注意力，都集中在少数疾病上，这些疾病可以使更多患者受益，并且市场足够大，足以证明商业投资的合理性。

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<p class="english-text">Today, most of our attention,
most of the industry's attention
is focused on a smaller
number of diseases,
diseases that could benefit more patients,
and where the markets are large enough
to justify commercial investment.</p>
</details>

还有大量罕见和超罕见疾病，世界上可能只有10个甚至一个患者患有某种疾病。

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<p class="english-text">There's also a long tail of
rare and ultra-rare diseases
where there might only be 10
or even a single patient
in the entire world
who has a certain disease.</p>
</details>

目前，基因疗法非常昂贵。

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<p class="english-text">Today, gene therapies are very expensive.</p>
</details>

单次剂量可能花费数百万美元。

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<p class="english-text">A single dose might cost
millions of dollars.</p>
</details>

我们的目标是将递送成本降至零，或者非常接近零。

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<p class="english-text">Our goal is to bring the cost
of delivery down to zero,
or very, very close to it.</p>
</details>

为此，我们还需要促使出现更多的基因药物，以便开发者之间有良好的竞争。

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<p class="english-text">To do that, we also need
to enable there to be
many more genetic medicines
so that there's good
competition between developers.</p>
</details>

我们还可以借鉴其他行业，这些行业在成本效率和规模经济方面随时间发生了巨大的变化。

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<p class="english-text">We can also look to other
industries where there's been
really dramatic changes
in the cost efficiencies
and the scale economies over time.</p>
</details>

其中之一是半导体行业，我们已经能够大幅提高芯片上晶体管的数量。

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<p class="english-text">One of them is in semiconductors,
as we've been able to dramatically improve
the number of transistors
that you can put on a chip.</p>
</details>

其他领域，如太阳能，我们已经能够在五年内将成本降低200多倍，并将部署量增加10万倍以上。

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<p class="english-text">Other areas like solar where
we'd been able to bring the cost down
more than 200 fold over five decades
and increase deployment
over 100,000 times.</p>
</details>

这些现象都称为**怀特定律**（Wright's Law: 描述生产成本随累计产量增加而降低的经验法则），其基本原理是每当产量翻倍，成本就会按一定百分比下降。

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<p class="english-text">These phenomena are all
called Wright's Law,
which is basically that with
every doubling of production,
there's a percentage decrease in the cost.</p>
</details>

在基因疗法领域，我认为也会有类似的情况。

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<p class="english-text">And in gene therapy,
I think there will be something similar.</p>
</details>

因此，我们可以将开发成本可能高达数十万美元的基因疗法，降低到1万美元甚至1000美元。

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<p class="english-text">So we can go from a gene
therapy that might cost
hundreds of thousands of dollars
down to something that costs $10,000
or even $1,000 to develop.</p>
</details>

以至于罕见病或超罕见病的治疗费用可以由非营利组织全额资助。

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<p class="english-text">To the point where rare
diseases or ultra-rare diseases,
non-profit efforts could be fully funding
the treatments for patients.</p>
</details>

显然，为了实现这一目标，我们还有很多事情要做。

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<p class="english-text">Obviously, there's a lot
of things we need to do
in order to achieve that.</p>
</details>

解决递送问题只是其中之一。

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<p class="english-text">Solving delivery is just one of them.</p>
</details>

这些疗法很复杂，我们不完全理解如何以一种在人类身上有效的方式来设计它们。

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<p class="english-text">The therapies are complex
and we don't understand exactly how to
design them in a way they're
gonna work in humans,</p>
</details>

但AI可能是解决方案的一部分，因为如果AI能够为一位患者设计疗法，并根据他们的基因组序列和目标进行定制，这就可以按需完成。

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<p class="english-text">but AI may be part of that solution
because if an AI could design
a therapy just for one patient
and customize it to their genome sequence,
customize it to their goals,
that could be done on-demand,</p>
</details>

而且AI甚至可以规划如何开发疗法，如何生产，如何测试，以及如何确保其安全。

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<p class="english-text">and that AI could even chart out
how to develop the
therapy, how to produce it,
how to test it, how to
ensure that it's safe.</p>
</details>

这可以以大规模可扩展的方式完成。

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<p class="english-text">This could be done in a
massively scalable way.</p>
</details>

我认为这就是我们可以用来解决长尾疾病，并帮助那些我们今天了解其基因、知道问题所在、甚至在许多情况下知道如何设计可以帮助他们的疗法的患者的途径。

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<p class="english-text">And I think that's the
path that we can use
to solve for the long tail of disease
and to help patients who, today,
we understand their genetics.
We know what the problem is.
We even, in many cases, know how to design
a therapy that could help them,</p>
</details>

但我们需要能够直接将这些疗法带给患者，而AI是一种让他们能够以经济实惠的方式从所有这些创新中受益的方法。

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<p class="english-text">but we need to be able to bring that
to the patient directly,
and AI is a way that
they can get the benefit
from all this innovation
in a way that's economically affordable.</p>
</details>

### 基因自主权的未来

随着基因疗法越来越多，我们可能希望做的一件事是能够重置或移除之前的基因疗法。

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<p class="english-text">As there's more gene therapies,
one thing that we may want to do is
to be able to reset or
remove prior gene therapies.</p>
</details>

这还有很长的路要走，因为它不是今天的紧急优先事项。

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<p class="english-text">It's far away because it's
not the urgent priority today.</p>
</details>

但对于一个拥有**基因自主权**（Genetic Agency: 指个体能够自主选择、修改或管理自身基因的权利和能力）的未来，患者将为自己选择最佳方案以过上健康生活，他们可能希望能够及时升级他们的疗法。

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<p class="english-text">But for a future with genetic agency
where patients are making the best choice
for them to live a healthy life,
they may want to be able to
upgrade their therapy in time.</p>
</details>

这种重置能力将赋予他们这种潜力。

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<p class="english-text">This ability to reset would
give them that potential.</p>
</details>

例如，如果有一种更有效的新方法出现，患者现在会毫不犹豫地接受它，因为他们知道将来可以移除它，并用10或20年后可能出现的更好疗法取而代之。

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<p class="english-text">For example, if there's a new approach
that's even more effective,
a patient wouldn't think
twice about taking that now,
knowing that they could
remove it in the future
and replace it with a better therapy
that might come along in 10 or 20 years.</p>
</details>

这使得基因疗法成为一个更加常规的决定。

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<p class="english-text">That makes gene therapy a
much more routine decision.</p>
</details>

这意味着我们可以将基因技术视为不那么像是我们身体的一部分，而更像是我们选择使用的东西，就像我今天穿一套衣服，明年穿另一套，但这并不是我真正的一部分。

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<p class="english-text">What that means is that
we can think about genetic technologies
less as really a part of us,
but just something that we choose to use
in the same way that I might
wear one set of clothes a day
or a different set next year,
but that's not really part of who I am.</p>
</details>

我对此的看法与今天我对基因组的看法截然不同，基因组一直是我的一部分。

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<p class="english-text">And I think about that
very differently than
today how I think about my genome,
which has always been a part of me.</p>
</details>

直到最近，我还以为我会带着我出生时的基因组死去。

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<p class="english-text">And up until very recently,
I thought I would die
with the same genome that I was born with.</p>
</details>

由于基因技术，我认为我们将不再把我们拥有的基因与我们是谁联系起来，它更多地是关于我们想成为谁或想变成什么样的一个决定。

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<p class="english-text">Because of the genetic technologies,
I think we're gonna no longer
associate the genetics that
we have with who we are,
and it's more a decision
for who we want to be
or what we want to become,</p>
</details>

你将能够对此拥有更多的控制权，这样你就能过上最好的生活。

<details>
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<p class="english-text">and you'll be able to have
much more control over that
so you can live the
very best possible life.</p>
</details>