法国大规模抗议蔓延全国危机,Meta利用税收减免省下数十亿美元 New York Times Podcasts 2026-10-06

法国大规模抗议蔓延全国危机,Meta利用税收减免省下数十亿美元

关键字 public-protest tax-avoidance drone-warfare fiscal-austerity climate-impact
6 节

节目开场与今日头条概览

威尔·贾维斯: 这里是《纽约时报》头条新闻。我是威尔·贾维斯(Will Jarvis),替特雷西·芒福德(Tracy Mumford)主持。今天是 10 月 6 日星期二。以下是今天我们要报道的主要内容。

英文原文

Will Jarvis: From the New York Times, it's the headlines. I'm Will Jarvis in for Tracy Mumford. Today's Tuesday, October 6th. Here's what we're covering.

法国爆发全国性示威危机

威尔·贾维斯: 在法国,该国今天正面临大规模示威抗议,一场由学生主导且不断扩大的抗议运动已演变成一场全国性危机。这场愤怒爆发于几周前,起因是学生们抗议学校过度拥挤、资金不足等问题。尽管许多示威活动一直保持和平,但一些学生用路障封锁了学校大门,纵火焚烧建筑物,并与警察发生冲突。数百人受伤,约有 6,000 人被捕。

英文原文

Will Jarvis: In France, the country is facing mass demonstrations today as a growing student-led protest movement has become a national crisis. The anger erupted a few weeks ago as students started protesting about overcrowded and underfunded schools among other issues. Though many of the demonstrations have been peaceful, some students have barricaded school doors, set buildings on fire, and clashed with police. Hundreds of people have been injured and there have been roughly 6,000 arrests.

威尔·贾维斯: 上周末,法国总理承诺解决他们的一些诉求,包括填补空缺的教师岗位。但这并未让抗议者满意。今天,教师和其他公共部门雇员也加入学生行列,共同集会抗议拟议的工资冻结方案,并反抗他们认为未能对法国未来进行投资的政府。

英文原文

Will Jarvis: Over the weekend, the prime minister pledged to address some of their complaints, including by filling vacant teaching positions. But that did not satisfy the protesters. And today, teachers and other public workers are joining the students to rally against proposed salary freezes and to push back against a government they say is failing to invest in the future of France.

威尔·贾维斯: 法国立法者目前正处于关于新国家预算的激烈辩论之中,该预算将削减国家福利体系并提高税收。在严峻的经济前景下——伴随着不断上升的债务、居高不下的燃料价格,以及对国家可能走向全面金融危机的担忧——他们正试图节省资金。一位此类危机方面的专家称当前局势为一场“慢动作火车事故”。更广泛地讲,一位法国作家兼商界人士告诉《纽约时报》,法国可能正处于一场更大规模反思的边缘,即其社会福利国家制度是否能够在长期内维持下去。他说,引用其原话:“我们成了一个再也无法做自己想做之事的国家。”

英文原文

Will Jarvis: French lawmakers are currently in the middle of a contentious debate over a new national budget that would cut back on the country's welfare system and raise taxes. They're trying to save money amid a dire economic outlook with rising debt, elevated fuel prices, and fears that the country could be heading towards a full-blown financial crisis. One expert on those kinds of crises called the situation a slow motion train wreck. More broadly, one French author and businessman told the Times that the country might be on the brink of a bigger reckoning about whether its social welfare state can survive long term. He said, quote, "We're a country that can no longer do what it wants to do."

美军部署调整与无人机威胁

威尔·贾维斯: 现在带来两条关于美国军方的简短快讯。首先,你认为伊朗是否有把战斗无人机带入英国境内的风险?这就是你们撤离那些装备的原因吗?

英文原文

Will Jarvis: Now, two quick updates on the US military. First, do you think there's a risk that Iran has brought combat drones into the UK? Is that what you have removed?

军方代表/官员: 我不能告诉你这些,但如果他们真这么做了,他们将遭受惨痛的代价。

英文原文

Military Official: I can't tell you that, but if they did, they'll suffer greatly.

威尔·贾维斯: 随着更多细节浮出水面,人们开始了解为什么美国指挥官在刚刚过去的周末紧急将十几架空军轰炸机从英格兰南部的一个基地撤离。据美国和英国官员称,这次突然撤离是基于有关可能发生无人机袭击的新情报,据信该袭击是由伊朗伊斯兰革命卫队(Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps)下令策划的。官员们表示,这起疑似袭击计划是一项复杂阴谋的一部分,旨在打击飞机并在该基地杀害美国人员,该基地曾被美国在对伊朗的战争期间使用。接受《时报》采访的一些官员表示,他们认为这次潜在的袭击大概是模仿了乌克兰去年在俄罗斯境内发动的一项大胆行动。在那次袭击中,乌克兰将无人机藏在半挂卡车深处走私进入俄罗斯,然后发射摧毁了多架军用飞机。至于对英国基地的威胁,伊朗方面否认了有关其参与其中的指控。

英文原文

Will Jarvis: New details are emerging about why American commanders rushed to move a dozen Air Force bombers away from a base in southern England this weekend. According to US and British officials, the sudden withdrawal was based on new information about a potential drone attack ordered by Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps. The officials said the suspected attack was part of a complex plot to strike aircraft and kill American personnel at the base which the US has used during the war in Iran. Some of the officials the Times spoke to said they believed the potential attack was loosely modeled on an audacious operation that Ukraine launched last year in Russia. In that attack, Ukraine smuggled drones deep into Russia in semi-trucks before launching them to take out multiple military airplanes. When it comes to threats against the British base, Iran has denied accusations that it was involved.

威尔·贾维斯: 另外,美国官员告诉《时报》,随着特朗普政府加大针对贩毒集团的打击力度,五角大楼已将多架被称为“猎杀者”(hunter killers)的无人机转移至南美洲。一年多以来,美国一直在该地区对船只实施致命打击来锁定所谓的毒品走私嫌疑人,多位专家表示这种做法是非法的。但最近,该地区的一位美军高级指挥官表示,美军计划将这些打击行动扩大至陆地。美军目前派往拉丁美洲的无人机可搭载热成像摄像机、导弹和炸弹,此前曾被用于打击“伊斯兰国”(ISIS)及其他恐怖组织。这次部署正值该政府试图在南美和中美洲施加更大影响力之际。这包括建立一个由地区领导人组成的联盟来对付贩毒集团。该团体的官方口号是,引用其原话:“我们对坏人施以严惩。”但一些人权倡导者担心,针对毒贩升级的军事行动可能会危及平民安全。

英文原文

Will Jarvis: And US officials tell the Times that the Pentagon has moved a number of drones known as hunter killers to South America as the Trump administration ramps up its campaign against drug cartels. For more than a year, the US has been targeting alleged drug smugglers in the region with lethal strikes on boats, which a range of experts say are illegal. But recently, a top US military commander in the region said the US plans to expand those strikes to land. The drones the military is now sending to Latin America can carry thermal cameras, missiles, and bombs, and have previously been used in strikes against ISIS and other terrorist groups. The deployment comes as the administration has tried to exert greater influence in South and Central America. That's included building a coalition of regional leaders to take on the cartels. The group's official slogan is quote, "We do bad things to bad people." But some human rights advocates worry that the escalating campaign against drug traffickers could endanger civilians.

Meta 利用科研税收减免规避巨额税款

威尔·贾维斯: 《纽约时报》的一项调查发现,科技巨头 Meta 利用其数量不断增加的 AI 数据中心,通过钻一项利润丰厚的联邦税收减免政策的空子,避免了缴纳数十亿美元的税款。Meta 所瞄准的这项税收抵免政策可以追溯到 20 世纪 80 年代,最初旨在通过激励企业在尖端实验上承担风险来刺激美国的创新。多年来,许多公司利用该政策来冲抵研究人员和工程师的薪资等支出。但我同事了解到的情况是,在过去的几年里,Meta 采取了一种针对该税收优惠政策更为激进的解释。该公司冲销了其在 AI 数据中心中使用的数十亿美元的标准芯片和计算设备,声称这些数据中心是一场巨大的“实验”。

英文原文

Will Jarvis: A Times investigation has found that the tech giant Meta has used its growing number of AI data centers to avoid paying billions of dollars in taxes by exploiting a lucrative federal tax break. The tax credit that Meta honed in on dates back to the 1980s and was designed to spur American innovation by incentivizing companies to take risks on cutting-edge experiments. Over the years, many companies have used the credit to offset things like salaries for researchers and engineers. But my colleagues learned that over the past few years, Meta has leaned into a much more aggressive interpretation of that tax break. It's written off billions of dollars of standard chips and computing equipment it's using in AI data centers, claiming those centers are a giant experiment.

克什米尔·希尔: 像 Meta 这样的公司确实在尝试如何打造出最佳的 AI 模型。这种实验的一部分就包括比如如何将这些芯片联网连接在一起?服务器机架之间需要靠得多近?如何使用更少的电力、消耗更少的水来做到这一点?但是这些芯片本身并不是实验性的。众所周知它们是能正常运作的现成产品。

英文原文

Kashmir Hill: It's certainly the case that companies like Meta are experimenting with how do you make the best AI model? And part of that experimentation is like how do you network these chips together? How close do the server racks need to be? How do you do this using less power, using less water? But the chips themselves are not experimental. They are known to work.

威尔·贾维斯: 克什米尔·希尔(Kashmir Hill)是《纽约时报》的一名科技记者。她所在的调查团队发现,仅在去年一年,Meta 通过申请这项研发抵免政策就从其应缴税单中削减了近 40 亿美元,远超其他任何大型科技公司。

英文原文

Will Jarvis: Kashmir Hill is a tech reporter for the Times. She's part of a team that found that last year alone, Meta trimmed almost $4 billion off its tax bill by claiming the research credit, far more than any other major tech company.

克什米尔·希尔: 我们咨询了多位税务专家,并向他们描述了 Meta 的所作所为。当我告诉其中一位 Meta 去年申报了多少抵免额时,他说:“哇,这太惊人了。”我问:“你认为这能经得起美国国税局(IRS)的审查吗?”他说:“这种对税收抵免的使用方式真是极其荒谬且出格。”是的,他还说:“如果要让一个人心安理得地做出这种税务申报,前提必须是你建立一个数据中心是为了攻克癌症,那才算是在应对一项真正新颖的挑战。但 Meta 在全国各地建设那些明知可以正常工作的数据中心,绝不是这项税收抵免设立的初衷。”

英文原文

Kashmir Hill: We talked to a bunch of tax experts and described what Meta was doing. And when I told one how much Meta claimed last year, he said, "Wow, that's huge." I asked, you know, "Do you think this will survive IRS scrutiny?" And he said, "This is really wild and out there use of this credit." And yeah, he said, "What would make somebody comfortable making this tax claim is if you were building out a data center to cure cancer, that would be tackling a really novel challenge. But Meta building data centers across the country that they know are going to work really is not what this tax credit was designed for."

威尔·贾维斯: Meta 拒绝回答《时报》提出的有关其 AI 数据中心究竟为何属于“实验性”的具体问题。在一份声明中,一名发言人表示,该公司正在“推进前沿研究、构建新技术并支持美国就业机会”,并补充道,就像其他进行同等规模投资的公司一样,我们使用的是国会几十年前设立的税收激励措施,以鼓励这类国内投资。不过,克什米尔指出,Meta 自己的会计师也已经意识到,他们的税务策略在法律层面上站不住脚。在悄然夹带在公司证券备案文件中的披露信息中,该公司向投资者发出了警告,称美国国税局可能会尝试追回这笔款项。

英文原文

Will Jarvis: Meta declined to answer specific questions from the Times about what made its AI data centers experimental. In a statement, a spokesman said that the company is quote advancing frontier research, building new technology, and supporting American jobs, adding that like other companies that invest at this scale, we use the tax incentives Congress established decades ago to encourage this type of domestic investment. Still, Kashmir says that Meta's own accountants have recognized that their tax strategy is on shaky legal ground. In disclosures buried in the company's securities filings, it's warned investors that the IRS may try to claw back the money.

瑞士冰川消融与高山考古竞速

威尔·贾维斯: 最后,让我们把目光投向气候变化下的高山发现。

英文原文

Will Jarvis: And finally,

雷蒙德·张: 过去 5 年里我一直在为《时报》报道气候议题。我曾在世界各地报道冰川和冰层融化,从格陵兰岛到喜马拉雅山脉,再到南极洲。但在世界上很少有地方的冰层变化速度能像这里的瑞士一样快。

英文原文

Raymond Jang: I've covered the climate for the times for the last 5 years. I have reported from around the world on glaciers and melting ice from Greenland to the Himalayas to Antarctica. But there are few places in the world where the ice is changing as rapidly as it is here in Switzerland.

威尔·贾维斯: 雷蒙德·张(Raymond Jang)是《时报》气候报道团队的一员,他最近一直在瑞士阿尔卑斯山进行报道。在过去的 5 年里,当地冰川总储量损失了约五分之一。雷蒙德表示,按照目前的全球变暖速度,97% 的瑞士冰川可能会在本世纪末彻底消失。但瑞士这里冰层融化的一个令人意想不到的后果是,原本封冻在冰层中的古代文物突然浮现出来,等待着考古学家在这些群山中去发掘。

英文原文

Will Jarvis: Raymond Jang is part of the Times Climate Desk and he's recently been reporting from the Swiss Alps. Over the past 5 years, glaciers there have lost about a fifth of their total volume. And Raymond says that at the current pace of global warming, 97% of Swiss glaciers could completely disappear by the end of the century. But one surprising consequence of the melting ice here in Switzerland is that ancient artifacts that had been frozen in the ice are suddenly emerging, ready for archaeologists to find them here in the mountains.

雷蒙德·张: 哇,哇,哇!他找到东西了。

英文原文

Raymond Jang: Whoa, whoa, whoa. He found something.

考古学者: 这件东西可能会非常精彩。

英文原文

Archaeologist: This one could be a nice piece.

雷蒙德·张: 是的,这些文物来自罗马时代甚至更早的青铜时代、铁器时代,在冰雪中保存了数千年。

英文原文

Raymond Jang: Yeah, these artifacts are from Roman times or even earlier, the Bronze Age, the Iron Age, preserved in the ice for thousands of years.

雷蒙德·张: 那么,罗马,我们找到了什么?

英文原文

Raymond Jang: So, what have we found, Roma?

罗马: 是的,这是最大的一块木制构件。它非常靠近我们之前断代为青铜时代的那一件残片。

英文原文

Roma: Yeah, this is the biggest wood piece. It is really near to one of the piece that we have dated from the bronze age.

雷蒙德·张: 但是随着冰雪融化,这些物品暴露在空气和风吹日晒中,它们很快就会腐烂分解。因此,这里正展开一场与时间的真正赛跑。考古学家的窗口期非常狭窄,只有几年,或许几十年的时间来找到其中许多物品,否则它们将再次被时间吞噬而湮灭。

英文原文

Raymond Jang: But as the ice melts and these objects are exposed to the air and the elements, they're going to decompose quickly. So there's a real race against time here. Archaeologists have a really narrow window of a couple years, maybe a few decades to find a lot of these objects before they're lost again to time.

威尔·贾维斯: 雷蒙德说,与其他地方古代遗迹主要为石头、金属和陶器不同,高山冰川保存了有机材料,比如考古学家最近发现的一块拥有 2500 年历史的木质滑雪板。他们还发现了一个 2 英尺长的雕刻有人物形象的小雕像,以及一个比金字塔和巨石阵年代还要久远的榆木碗残片。

随着瑞士考古学家争分夺秒地收集从融冰中显露出来的物品,他们正在通过一款名为“冰雪守望者”(Ice Watcher)的应用程序招募公众参与,该应用允许徒步旅行者、牧羊人和其他任何人报告在阿尔卑斯山可能发现的古代遗存。科学家表示,总的来说,这些发现正在挑战过去的旧观念——即在历史上,高山是令人望而生畏的禁区。相反,阿尔卑斯山口显然曾是一片繁华往来的交通枢纽,猎人、牧民和商人穿梭其间。正如一位考古学家所言,这些冰川是人类存在的“档案库”。

英文原文

Will Jarvis: Raymond says that unlike other places where ancient remnants are mostly stone, metal, and pottery, the alpine glaciers have preserved organic materials like a 2500-year-old wooden ski that archaeologists recently found. They've also discovered a 2-ft long statuette with a human figure carved into it and a fragment of an elm wood bowl that's older than the pyramids and Stonehenge. As Swiss archaeologists race to collect the objects that are emerging from the melted ice, they're enlisting the public's help with an app called Ice Watcher that lets hikers, shepherds, and anyone else report potential ancient finds in the Alps. Scientists say that overall, the discoveries are challenging old ideas that historically the mountains were forbidding off-limits zones. Instead, the Alpine Passes apparently bustled with traffic, hunters, herdsmen, traders. As one archaeologist put it, the glaciers are a quote archive of human existence.

今日收尾与《The Daily》预告

威尔·贾维斯: 以上就是今天《The Daily》带来的头条新闻。接下来请关注:我的同事埃利·谭(Eli Tan)在将自己的数字生活全权托付给当下最流行的全新 AI Agent 之后的亲身体会。

英文原文

Will Jarvis: Those are the headlines today on the daily. What my colleague Eli Tan learned after he handed over his digital life to the most popular new AI agent.

埃利·谭: 当我刚开始使用 Muse 时,我以为我可能只会用它来做某些特定事情,比如只是打电话咨询我的保险,或者只是订餐。但我发现,我最终在所有事情上都依赖它。而且很多时候,我的第一本能不再是自己独立思考,而是直接去找 Muse 询问。

英文原文

Eli Tan: When I first started using Muse, I thought I might just use it for certain things like just calling my insurance or just ordering food. But what I found was that I ended up relying on it for everything. And instead of a lot of times just thinking for myself, my first instinct was to go to Muse and ask it instead.

威尔·贾维斯: 您可以在《纽约时报》应用程序中或任何您收听播客的平台上找到该节目。我是威尔·贾维斯。我们明天再见。

英文原文

Will Jarvis: You can find that in the New York Times app or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Will Jarvis. We'll be back tomorrow.

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