巧克力魔法师Amaury Guichon:艺术、匠心与甜点世界的革新 TED 2025-11-09

享誉世界的巧克力艺术家

好的,主厨,我想可以说全世界都为您的精致巧克力雕塑所着迷。

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OK, chef, I think it's safe to say that the entire world is obsessed with your elaborate chocolate sculptures.

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La Liste(全球最佳餐厅和酒店排名)将您评为世界上最具创意的甜点师。

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"La Liste" least recognized you as the world's most creative pastry chef.

您在YouTube、TikTok、Instagram上拥有数十亿的观看量,此外还有您的Netflix节目。

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You have billions of views on YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, that in addition to your Netflix show.

但比所有这些都更重要的是,您是我四岁孩子睡前日常的一部分。

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But more important than all of that is that you are part of my four-year-old's bedtime routine.

是的!

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Yes!

我们每晚都会看他的一段视频。

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We watch one of his videos every night.

这些——我的四岁孩子为您挑选了这些视频观看。

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These are -- my four-year-old picked these for you to watch.

所以我们都看您的作品,但我们对您一无所知。

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So we all watch your stuff, but none of us know anything about you.

那么,您来自哪里?您是如何进入甜点行业的?

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So where are you from? How did you get into pastry?

最初,我来自法国。

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Originally, I come from France.

我是法国和瑞士混血。

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I'm French and Swiss.

我十四岁时开始学习烹饪。

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I started in the culinary when I was 14 years old.

从学业上讲,我表现不佳,所以被鼓励去学习一门手艺。

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I was not great, academically speaking, so I was encouraged to go to trades.

我真的是随意选择了烹饪。

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I picked culinary out of a hat, really.

在完成我的咸味菜肴培训后,我转向了甜点制作,并真正爱上了将原材料转化为精致产品的过程。

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And after my savory training, I drifted away towards the sweet side, and I really fell in love with the transformation of raw ingredients into elaborate products.

从法国到拉斯维加斯:甜点师的旅程

那么您是从法国开始的,是如何来到美国的呢?

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LN: And so you started in France and how did you get here to the US?

我21岁时想学英语。

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When I was 21, I wanted to learn how to speak English.

我像大多数法国人一样,英语说得不太好,所以我想花一年时间学习英语。

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I was like most French people, we don't speak English very well, so I thought I would take one year to learn how to speak English.

我对目的地不太挑剔,十二年前我得到了一个来拉斯维加斯的机会。

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I was not too picky on the destination, and I got an opportunity to come to Vegas 12 years ago.

我知道我不喜欢派对,也不喝酒。

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And knowing that I don't party, I don't drink.

我当时不认为拉斯维加斯会是我的家,但后来我发现,实际上,拉斯维加斯的奢华与我创造奇迹的能力完美契合。

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I didn't think Vegas would be really home for me, but I found that in reality, the extravagance from Vegas was a perfect pairing with my ability to craft wonders.

对,那种“哇”的因素。人们总是——我向很多人介绍过您的视频。

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Right, the wow factor. People are always -- I've introduced your videos to so many people.

有两次“哇”的惊叹。

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There's two waves of wow.

第一次是“哇,看那些雕塑。”

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The first wow is "Wow, look at those sculptures."

然后第二次是,“他把整个东西都用巧克力做出来了?

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And then the second wow is, "He made that entire thing out of chocolate?

整个都是?”

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The whole thing?"

是的,这就是这种材料的美妙之处。

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Yeah, it's the beauty of the material.

除了其他领域中我们依赖木材、金属、电线等介质,巧克力可以独立完成所有事情,并且是百分之百完全可食用的。

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Aside from other medium in the field where we rely on wood, metal, wires, chocolate can do everything by itself and is 100 percent fully edible.

人们有时甚至认为我在产品上使用了颜料,但那实际上是与可可脂(可可豆的脂肪部分)混合的可食用色素,使展示品如此美丽。

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People sometimes think I even use paint on my product, but it's really edible pigments mixed with the cocoa butter, the fat part of the cocoa bean, that makes the showpiece so beautiful.

您是不是就那样走来走去,脑子里把所有东西都“甜点化”了?

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LN: Do you just walk around like, pastryfying everything in your head?

您就想,“我怎么能用巧克力把那个做出来?”

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You just like, "How do I make that out of chocolate?"

这可能不会让您感到惊讶,但我确实那样做。

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It may not surprise you, but I do do that.

当我看到那些大字母时,我就想用巧克力把它们做出来。

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When I see those big letters, I want to make them out of chocolate.

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(Laughter and applause)

味道至上:甜点制作的科学与艺术

所以当我们为这次会议做准备时,您告诉我,尽管作品的外观和设计对您很重要,但您实际上更关心味道,这让我很惊讶。

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LN: So when we were prepping for this session, you surprised me by saying that as important as the look and the design of your work are to you, you actually care more about the taste.

我的意思是,每个懂巧克力的人都可以把它变成艺术品。

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I mean, everybody that understands chocolate can transform it into art.

我认为作为一名受过专业训练的甜点师,其复杂之处在于我们如何才能在不损害味道和质地的情况下,依然创造出美感?

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I think the complexity as a trained pastry chef is how do we not compromise the taste, the texture, and yet craft beauty?

我认为这正是它变得更加复杂的地方。

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And I think this is where it becomes much more complex.

那正是科学真正发挥作用的地方。

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That's where the science really kicks in.

关于如何利用基本的原材料。

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On taking basic raw ingredients.

你单独尝一口面粉,一勺面粉,它并不太令人愉悦。

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You take flour by itself, a spoonful of flour, it's not very pleasing.

一勺糖太甜了。

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A spoonful of sugar is too sweet.

盐太咸了。

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Salt is too salty.

咬一口柠檬,它太酸了。

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Bite into a lemon, it's too sour.

制作食谱,让食材碰撞在一起,创造出美味的东西,这正是我喜欢做的事情。

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Making the recipe, having the ingredients collide together to create things that give you a good taste is really what I like to do.

太棒了。

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LN: Great.

您能给我举个例子,您都做些什么吗?

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Can you give me an example, by any chance, of what you do?

我的意思是,在所有巧克力展示品走红之前,因为社交媒体非常注重视觉效果,所以我过去特别强调这一点。

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I mean, before all the chocolate showpiece took off, because social media is very visually oriented, so I used to put a special emphasis on it.

我有一所学校。

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I own a school.

我周游世界教授甜点制作。

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I travel the world and teach pastry.

所以在过去的几十年里,我创造了多种甜点。

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So I have created, over the last decades, multiple pastry.

我最喜欢的一个是咖啡时钟。

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One of my favorites is the coffee clock.

它是咖啡、巧克力,浓郁的意式浓缩咖啡搭配浓郁的80%巧克力,看起来像一个时钟。

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It's coffee, chocolate, a strong espresso paired with a strong, 80-percent chocolate, that look like a clock.

一件小小的珠宝。

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A little piece of jewelry.

好的,我们把它拿出来吧。

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LN: OK, let's bring it out.

好的。

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Alright.

您在屏幕上看到的是构成甜点的一些元素。

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What you see on the screen are some of the elements that go into the composition of the dessert.

因为这花了您多长时间?

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LN: Because how long did this take you?

您为我们加速了。

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You're speeding it up for us.

顺便说一句,他自己剪辑视频。

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He edits his own videos, by the way.

您在这里加速了多长时间?

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How long did you speed up here?

这只是一些片段,但实际上,所有元素需要大约两天的制作才能完全静置并达到最佳质地。

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This is just a few snippets, but in reality, it takes about two days of craft for all the elements to fully rest and have the best texture.

所以为了你们两分钟的愉悦,背后是两天的努力。

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So for the two minutes you guys have of pleasure, there is two days of work behind it.

确实,很多人不知道这一点。

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And it's true that not a lot of people know that.

我不知道我是否告诉过您,但我刚开始时,我的社交媒体频道实际上是为了提高人们对制作甜点所需工作量和产品投入的认识,以证明其价格的合理性。

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I don't know if I told you, but when I started, my social media channel was actually to raise awareness on how much work and product goes into the making of pastry that justified the price.

所以您最早的视频有两天那么长?

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LN: So your first videos were two days long?

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(Laughter)

甜点行业的革新与大使使命

我经常听到人们抱怨甜点的价格。

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I often hear the people complaining about the price of pastry.

一个闪电泡芙(eclair: 一种细长、内含奶油的法式甜点)五美元,太贵了。

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Five dollars for an eclair, it's too expensive.

确实如此。

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And it's true.

但人们去夜总会花35美元买一杯莫吉托(mojito: 一种古巴鸡尾酒)。

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But people go to nightclubs and spend 35 dollars on a mojito.

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(Laughter)

我希望人们——这是真的。

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I wanted people -- It is true.

我想那是拉斯维加斯的价格。

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LN: Those are Vegas prices, I think.

我们的手艺如此美丽,如此令人惊叹。

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Our craft is so beautiful and so amazing.

我认为我最自豪的一件事是成为我这个行业的大使,并能够展示甜点世界所能达到的美学广度,无论是面包、甜点、巧克力、冰淇淋还是糖艺。

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I think one thing I'm the most proud of is being an ambassador of my industry and being able to display the extent of the beauty that can be achieved in the world of sweets, whether it's bread, pastry, chocolate, ice cream, sugar.

我认为这是最重要的。

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And I think it's the most important.

是为了让人们理解。

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It's for people to understand.

当我进入这个行业时,它是一个非常隐秘的行业。

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It was an industry, when I got in, that was very secretive.

我能够打破这种秘密,向世界展示它。

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And I was able to break the secret, show it to the world.

我认为当我进入这个行业时,它甚至被认为是一个有点“逊”的行业,信不信由你。

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And now, just like your son. He might be a future chef. In the future, he might want to become a chef. Not just because he failed academically. And I think that's my proudest achievement.

而现在,就像您的儿子一样。

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And now, just like your son.

他可能成为未来的厨师。

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He might be a future chef.

未来,他可能想成为一名厨师。

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In the future, he might want to become a chef.

不仅仅是因为他学业失败。

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Not just because he failed academically.

我认为那是我最引以为傲的成就。

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And I think that's my proudest achievement.

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(Laughter)

谢谢,谢谢。

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LN: Thank you, thank you.

我希望他不会学业失败。

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I hope he won't fail academically.

我喜欢您对我作为父亲的信任。

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LN: I love your faith in me as a father.

谢谢。

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Thank you.

巧克力时钟的现场组装

好的,我们在这里做什么?

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LN: OK, so what are we doing here? Walk me through.

请给我讲解一下。

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Walk me through.

所以这就是您在展示中看到的那个时钟。

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So this is the clock that you've seen on display.

我认为这个平台很棒,能够让您表达自己。

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I think this platform is amazing to be able to express yourself.

我很少在视频中说话。

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I don't often speak on my video.

我通常让我的手来完成工作。

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I usually let my hand do the work.

所以我仍然想在这个平台上给你们展示一点我的“手语”。

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So I still wanted to give you a little bit of my hand talk on the platform.

太棒了。

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LN: Great.

所以这里有各种巧克力元素,它们都是用巧克力制作的。

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So here you have various chocolate elements that were all crafted out of chocolate.

我拿了一个旧的瑞士布谷鸟钟(cuckoo clock: 一种带有布谷鸟报时装置的时钟),把它拆开,然后铸造了硅胶模具,这样我就可以用巧克力复制它。

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I got an old Swiss cuckoo clock and broke it down and cast silicone molds so I could replicate it in chocolate version.

我想向您展示的是时钟的最终组装过程。

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And what I wanted to show you was the final assembly of the clock.

好的,您在做什么?

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LN: OK, what are you doing?

我们要从齿轮开始。

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We're going to start with the gears.

我把它们倒过来。

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I'm flipping them upside down.

如果需要的话,我可以当布谷鸟。

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LN: I can be the cuckoo if we need.

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(Laughter)

您是我的时钟的布谷鸟吗?

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You're the cuckoo to my clock?

是的。

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LN: Yeah.

(笑声)

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(Laughter)

好的,您在做什么?

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OK, what are you doing?

那是什么?

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What is that?

这是调温巧克力(tempered chocolate: 经过特定温度处理以达到稳定结晶状态的巧克力)。

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So this is tempered chocolate.

所以这可以被认为是胶水。

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So it's what you may consider glue.

哦。

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LN: Oh.

因为这里很冷,我想其中一个复杂之处在于要保持巧克力液态、调温状态,但又不能过热。

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Because it's quite cold in here, I think one of the complexity is to keep the chocolate liquid, tempered, but not overly warm.

所以用热风枪,我保持巧克力——

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So using a heat gun, I keep the chocolate --

哦,您是不是桌边一直放着一个那样的东西?

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LN: Oh, do you just have one of those on the side of your table at all times?

是的。

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Yes.

因为它凝固得那么快。

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LN: Because it hardens that fast.

哦,是的。

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Oh, yeah.

我们拿起一个结构,把它压下去,这样它就有了结构。

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We take one of the structure, we press it down, which allows it to have a structure.

成为巧克力师的要求之一是手要凉。

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One of the requirements of being a chocolatier is the coldness of the hands.

如果您的手高于32摄氏度,您在制作时就会融化巧克力。

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If your hands are above 32 degrees Celsius, you melt the chocolate as you're doing it.

所以我的手很凉。

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So my hands are quite cold.

哦,是的。

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LN: Oh, yeah.

您实际上也有“巧克力之手”。

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You actually have chocolate hands as well.

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(Laughter)

我要辞职了。

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LN: I'm going to quit my job.

好的,太棒了。

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OK, great.

哇,好的。

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Wow, OK.

当我们完成第一部分的铸造后,我们可以翻转设计。

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Once we're done casting the first part, we can flip over the design.

我不知道你们是否能看到。

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I don't know if you guys can see.

我们翻转设计,它很小。

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We flip over the design, it is quite small.

我不知道你们在屏幕上能否很好地了解它的尺寸。

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I don't know if you get a good idea of the scale on the screen.

我们要加热一个抹刀,然后把它粘到我们的底座上。

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We're going to warm up a spatula and glue it to our base.

好的。

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LN: OK.

哇,它们看起来像真的齿轮。

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Wow, they look like real gears.

它们确实来自一个真正的时钟。

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They did come from an actual clock.

哇,就像,您必须快速工作。

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LN: Wow, it's like, you have to work quickly.

就像您在与时间赛跑来制作一个时钟。

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It's like you're on a clock to make a clock.

我认为巧克力制作就是关于时间、温度和机械作用。

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I think chocolate is all about time, temperature and mechanical action.

一旦您了解了巧克力的工作原理,您就可以开始享受这种材料带来的乐趣了。

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Once you understand how chocolate works, then you can start having fun with the matter.

我将用一个小吸盘添加这些元素。

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Using a little suction cup I'm going to add the elements.

一个接一个。

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One by one.

我正在努力加快这个过程。

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I'm trying to accelerate the process.

是的。

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LN: Yeah.

但这真的是——

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But it's really --

您在做手术。

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LN: You're doing surgery.

我觉得我在这里看手术。

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I feel like I'm watching surgery here.

这真的是——

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It's really --

这很瑞士,对吧?

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It's very Swiss, right?

制作一个时钟……

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Making a clock...

对,当然。

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LN: Right, of course.

用巧克力制成,金色的。

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Out of chocolate, in gold.

(笑声)

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(Laughter)

对。

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LN: Right.

我回到了家乡。

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I'm back home.

但就像,拉斯维加斯风格的闪亮。

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LN: But like, Vegas blinged out, I guess.

最后一步是铆钉。

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And the last touch will be the rivets.

好的。

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LN: OK.

哇。

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Wow.

您是不是有额外的齿轮之类的,因为——

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And do you just have like, extra gears and stuff, because --

您会搞砸吗?

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Do you ever mess up?

我不会。

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I do not.

不。

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LN: No.

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(Laughter)

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(Applause)

但我做好了准备,以防万一我搞砸了。

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But I came prepared just in case I did mess up.

凡事都有第一次。

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There is a first to everything.

最后一步,是将齿轮放到时钟上。

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The last thing, will be putting the gears onto the clock.

哇。

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LN: Wow.

瞧。

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Et voilà.

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(Applause)

我不应该说最后一步,因为最后一步应该是您品尝它。

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I shouldn’t say the last thing, because the last thing would be you trying it.

您喜欢咖啡吗?

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Do you like coffee?

不,我一点都不喜欢咖啡。

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LN: No, I don't like coffee at all.

该死!

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Damn it!

(观众喊叫)

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(Audience shouting)

(笑声)

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(Laughter)

哦,是的,我们只有几个志愿者。

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LN: Oh, yeah, we only have a few volunteers.

观众:弗兰克!

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Audience: Frank!

弗兰克!

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LN: Frank!

弗兰克,上来吧。

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Frank, come on up here.

(欢呼和掌声)

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(Cheers and applause)

好的,弗兰克。

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Alright, Frank.

你好,弗兰克。

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Hi, Frank.

很高兴见到您。

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Frank: Pleasure to meet you.

您是品尝者吗?

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Are you the taster?

显然是的。

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Frank: Apparently.

过来这边。

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LN: Come over here.

所以如果您愿意,您仍然可以品尝它,拉蒂夫。

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So you can still taste it if you wish, Latif.

但我不会强迫您。

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But I won't force you.

他扭了我的胳膊,我想我还是尝尝吧。

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LN: He twisted my arm, I guess I'll taste it.

这是巧克力,您怎么能拒绝呢?

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F: It's chocolate, how do you say no?

他问我是否喜欢咖啡。

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LN: He asked if I liked coffee.

我说我不喜欢。

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I said I didn’t.

所以里面有双重巧克力碎曲奇和榛子费南雪(financier: 一种法式小蛋糕),咖啡奶油,咖啡焦糖意式浓缩咖啡和巧克力慕斯。

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So inside you have a double chocolate chip cookie and hazelnut financier, a coffee creamer, a coffee caramel espresso and a chocolate mousse.

哇。

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F: Wow.

(笑声)

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(Laughter)

我给您三点钟。

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I'm going to give you three o'clock.

(笑声)

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(Laughter)

谢谢您。

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F: Thank you.

还有,拉蒂夫,您也可以尝尝。

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And, Latif, you can try as well.

干杯。

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LN: Cheers.

哦,天哪。

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F: Oh, my.

(掌声)

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(Applause)

哦,我的天。

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LN: Oh, my God.

哇,谢谢您。

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F: Wow, thank you.

谢谢您。

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Thank you.

(掌声和欢呼)

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(Applause and cheers)

我也讨厌咖啡。

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F: I hate coffee, too.

(笑)

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(Laughs)

他刚刚告诉我他也讨厌咖啡。

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LN: He just told me he hates coffee, too.

真的吗?

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Really?

哦,那真有趣。

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Oh, that's funny.

我们现在都爱咖啡了,谢谢您。

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LN: We love coffee now, thank you.

非常感谢您。

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Thank you so much.

谢谢您。

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F: Thank you.

各位。

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LN: Everybody.

谢谢大家,非常感谢大家。

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Thank you, guys, thank you so much.

现实生活中的威利·旺卡(Willy Wonka: 《查理和巧克力工厂》中的巧克力工厂老板)。

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LN: The real-life Willy Wonka.

(掌声)

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(Applause)

非常感谢您,主厨。

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Thank you so much, chef.

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人物: Frank

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