住房法案的重大意义
迈克尔·巴尔巴罗: 欢迎收听《每日新闻》。我是迈克尔·巴尔巴罗。特朗普总统曾将这档法案称为我们国家历史上最全面、最重要、最具影响力的住房立法。而如今,一个由他自己党派控制的国会已经以绝对多数通过了它。那么,为什么总统拒绝签署它呢?今天,我的同事迈克尔·戈尔德将为我们讲述法案背后扑朔迷离的故事。今天是 7 月 6 日,星期一。迈克尔·戈尔德,很高兴你能来。
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Michael Barbaro: From New York Times, I'm Michael Barbaro. This is The Daily. President Trump has called it the most comprehensive and consequential housing legislation in the history of our country. And a Congress controlled by his own party has now passed it by overwhelming margins. So, why is the president refusing to sign it? Today, my colleague, Michael Gold, on the strange saga of a landmark housing bill. It's Monday, July 6th. Michael Gold, always a pleasure.
迈克尔·戈尔德: 很高兴来到这里,迈克尔。谢谢。
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Michael Gold: Happy to be here, Michael. Thanks.
迈克尔·巴尔巴罗: 在接下来的几天里,特朗普总统必须做出一项决定。我认为从客观上看,纸面上的这项决定似乎是显而易见的,是不需要多加思考的。
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Michael Barbaro: So, over the next few days, President Trump has to make a decision that on paper I think we can even argue, objectively, seems kind of like a no-brainer.
迈克尔·戈尔德: 如果我是一个政治家,我也会这么看。所以,总统会签署这项住房法案似乎是非常直观的,因为住房可负担性对美国人来说是一个重大问题。这是他在 2024 年竞选时就谈到过的事情。而且,距离中期选举还有大约 4 个月的时间。签署这项法案将是一个非常清晰的证明,表明总统关心住房可负担性,关心解决选民对生活成本的担忧,这也是共和党人非常急于展示的事情。
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Michael Gold: That's how I would view it if I were a politician. So, it seems very intuitive that the president would sign this housing bill because housing affordability is a major issue for Americans. It's something he talked about on the campaign trail when he was running in 2024. And the midterm elections are in about 4 months. And it would be a very clear demonstration that the president cares about affordability, cares about addressing his cost of living concerns, which is something that Republicans are very eager to demonstrate.
迈克尔·巴尔巴罗: 嗯。
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Michael Barbaro: Mhm.
迈克尔·戈尔德: 但我认为,总统不签署这项法案的事实,确实生动地说明了他与国会的关系已经变得多么失调,以及他自己的利益与党内共和党人以及国家许多选民的利益是多么的分道扬镳。
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Michael Gold: But I think the fact that the president isn't signing this bill really exemplifies just how dysfunctional his relationship with Congress has become and how divergent his own interests are from Republicans in his party and from many of voters in the country.
迈克尔·巴尔巴罗: 那么,请给我们讲讲这档住房法案的故事吧。我们在节目中确实没有对它进行太多的报道。它是如何走到今天这一步,并最终呈递到总统办公桌上的?
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Michael Barbaro: Well, tell us the story of this housing bill, which we really haven't covered all that much on the show, and how we got to this point where it has reached the president's desk.
迈克尔·戈尔德: 没问题。我想在过去几年里,任何尝试过买房、付房租、或者寻找公寓的人都可以告诉你,这个国家正处于一场住房危机之中。这场危机始于许多美国大城市,但现在似乎已经蔓延到了全国各地。随着两党在 2024 年进行竞选,政治光谱上的各路政治家都同意他们需要采取措施来解决住房问题,因为人们需要一个居住的地方。没有地方住,人们获得各种经济安全感的机会基本上就化为乌有了。
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Michael Gold: Sure. So, I think anyone who has tried to buy a house, paid rent, looked for an apartment in the last few years can tell you the country's in the middle of a housing crisis. And it started in a lot of the big American cities, but it seems to have really spread across the country. And as both parties are campaigning in 2024, politicians across the political spectrum agree that they need to do something to address housing because people need a place to live, and without a place to live, you know, their chances at all kinds of economic security basically evaporate.
迈克尔·巴尔巴罗: 没错。
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Michael Barbaro: Right.
迈克尔·戈尔德: 于是,总统在 2025 年 1 月就职。但他并没有真正对住房问题发表太多看法。他有其他几项正在着手解决的优先事项。但在幕后,国会议员们决定尝试在立法上做点什么,他们开始着手制定自己的住房法案。
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Michael Gold: So, the president takes office in January 2025, and he's not really saying much about housing. He has a handful of other priorities that he's addressing, but in the background, members of Congress decide that they're going to try to do something about this, and they start working on their own housing legislation.
迈克尔·巴尔巴罗: 嗯。
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Michael Barbaro: Mhm.
迈克尔·戈尔德: 这项立法在国会酝酿了相当长一段时间,但它涉及了一群非常有趣的决策人。在参议院中,有来自南卡罗来纳州的共和党人蒂姆·斯科特,他主持参议院银行委员会。还有来自马萨诸塞州的进步派民主党人伊丽莎白·沃伦。
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Michael Gold: And that's kicking around for a while, but it involves kind of an interesting cast of characters. So, in the Senate you have Tim Scott of South Carolina. He's a Republican. He runs the Senate Banking Committee, and you have Elizabeth Warren, a progressive Democrat from Massachusetts.
迈克尔·巴尔巴罗: 嗯。
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Michael Barbaro: Mhm.
迈克尔·戈尔德: 他们也在与众议院的同行合作。其中包括弗兰奇·希尔,他是来自阿肯色州的主流保守派共和党人;还有马克辛·沃特斯,她来自加利福尼亚州,立场稍微偏左,或许不像沃伦那么激进。
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Michael Gold: And they're working with their counterparts in the House on this, French Hill, who's kind of a mainstream conservative Republican from Arkansas, and Maxine Waters, a little bit more to the left, perhaps not as far as Warren, and she's from California.
迈克尔·巴尔巴罗: 是的,这确实是一个非常奇特的组合。
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Michael Barbaro: Yeah, this really is odd bedfellows.
迈克尔·戈尔德: 是的,但这本就是国会应有的运作方式。有共同利益的立法者聚在一起工作,他们抛开党派分歧,开始敲定一项协议。在去年的大部分时间里,情况确实如此。在那个时候,总统对这个法案并没有说太多。他当时把精力集中在那个“宏伟美丽的法案”上,专注于他的移民政策。住房法案在当时并不是他首要考虑的事情。但是,随着我们迈入 2026 年,这是中期选举年,住房可负担性成了美国选民最关心的事情。民意调查一再显示,生活成本是选民面临的第一大问题。这也是选民衡量总统是否成功的一个主要领域,并且是他们在面对中期选举时决定如何投票的重要考量。
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Michael Gold: Yeah, and look, this is how Congress is supposed to work. Lawmakers who have a common interest work together, they put party aside, and they start hammering out a deal. And so, this is what's going on for most of last year, and at this point the president's not really saying much about it. He's focused on the big beautiful bill, he's focused on immigration policy. This just isn't top of mind for him. But as we round into 2026, it's a midterm election year, and affordability is top of mind for the American voter, and it's shown in poll after poll that cost of living is the number one problem that voters have, and it's an area where they're judging the president's success, and something that they're going to vote on when it comes to the midterms.
迈克尔·巴尔巴罗: 没错,这在某种程度上成了整个中期选举的风向标。到底谁能真正解决并主导住房可负担性这一议题?
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Michael Barbaro: Right, it kind of becomes the byword for the midterm elections in general. Who's going to own affordability?
迈克尔·戈尔德: 绝对是这样。民主党人紧紧抓住了这个机会。他们明确表示,这将是他们的一个重大议题。因此,今年年初,也就是 1 月份,国会明确表示他们非常希望完成一项住房法案。他们给它起了一个名字,叫做《21世纪住房之路法案》,这代表了他们在此处的雄心壮志。他们想在住房问题上做些真正的大动作,去切实帮助很多很多的人。
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Michael Gold: Absolutely, and Democrats really seize on this. They make it very clear this is going to be a major issue for them. So, coming into the start of the year, it's January and Congress makes clear that they really want to get a housing bill done. They've given it a name, they call it the 21st Century Road to Housing Act, which is supposed to represent the scope of their ambition here. They want to do something really big on housing that's really going to help a lot of people.
迈克尔·巴尔巴罗: 那么,这项法案的具体内容是什么?国会对 21 世纪住房问题的雄心壮志到底有多大?
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Michael Barbaro: Well, what is in this bill? What is the scope of Congress's ambition for housing in the 21st Century?
法案的核心条款与白宫的干预
迈克尔·戈尔德: 国会希望通过增加新房的供应来解决住房危机,使盖新房子变得更容易、更便宜。他们通过几种方式来做到这一点。最值得注意的是,该法案将放宽一系列联邦法规,例如环境评估,并修改所谓的“装配式住宅”的规则。相比于从零开始在空地上盖一栋房子,建造这种装配式住宅要便宜得多。
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Michael Gold: So, Congress wants to address the housing crisis by basically boosting the supply of new homes, making it easier to build new homes, making it cheaper to build new homes. And they do this in a few ways. Uh most notably, this bill would ease a number of federal regulations, things like environmental reviews, changing the rules for what's known as manufactured housing, which is cheaper to build than building a house, you know, in a lot starting from scratch.
迈克尔·巴尔巴罗: 没错,这些就是那些在工厂里预制好,然后运到现场组装的房子。突然之间,你就拥有了一个家。
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Michael Barbaro: Right, these are the factory-built houses that get constructed off-site, brought in, and suddenly you have a home.
迈克尔·戈尔德: 没错。他们决定改变法规,以降低建造这类房屋的成本。他们还修改了一些赠款计划,希望借此更容易去整修老旧陈旧的房产。他们希望让地方政府更容易把闲置的工厂改建为住宅。他们还提供了大量的经济激励措施,无论是通过赠款还是其他项目,以鼓励地方政府支持新建设,甚至改变一些分区规划规则。在消费者端,他们让部分消费者更容易获得抵押贷款,希望这能帮助他们购买低成本的住房。
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Michael Gold: Exactly, yeah. They decide to change the regulations to make it cheaper to build those kinds of homes. They also change some grant programs. They want to make it easier to refurbish old aging properties. They want to make it easier for, you know, municipalities to turn maybe a vacant factory into housing, things like that. And they offer a lot of uh economic incentives, whether through grants or other programs, so that local governments would be encouraged to support new construction, maybe change some zoning rules. And on the consumer side, they make it easier for some consumers to get mortgages in the hopes this will help them be able to buy lower-cost homes.
迈克尔·巴尔巴罗: 所以,它包含了一大堆鼓励建造更多房屋的激励措施。它剪掉了许多可能减缓房屋建设的官僚红线,并且理论上让购买这些最终建成的房屋变得更可负担。
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Michael Barbaro: So, it contains a raft of incentives to build more housing. It cuts a bunch of the red tape that can slow down the construction of housing, and it makes it, in theory, more affordable to buy those final housing units.
迈克尔·戈尔德: 没错。但是,国会还在里面放入了另外一个条款,这是专门为了回应总统而设计的。今年年初,当这个法案的细节正在逐步敲定的时候,特朗普总统开始更多地谈论住房问题。他似乎意识到,随着中期选举的临近,他需要向公众表明他也在关注这个对许多美国人来说极其关键的议题。
Original English
Michael Gold: That's right. But, there's also one more provision in here that Congress puts in, which is designed to address the president. So, around the time the details of this bill are getting worked out at the beginning of the year, President Trump starts to talk about housing a bit more. He seems to realize that with the midterms coming up, he needs to demonstrate that he's worried about this issue, which is so crucial for many Americans.
唐纳德·特朗普: 美国家庭拥有的另一个受到攻击的支柱就是房屋所有权。我们希望人们能够买得起房。我们希望让每个美国人都能在一个美丽的家园里实现美国梦。而这正是他们选择的,它将成为他们的掌上明珠。
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Donald Trump: Another pillar of the American dream that has been under attack is home ownership. We want people to be able to buy a home. We want to make it possible for every American to live that American dream in a beautiful home. And it's really the one that they pick, it's going to be the apple of their eye. So, I just want to...
迈克尔·戈尔德: 总统告诉国会,他希望限制华尔街大型投资机构购买那些他认为应该留给普通美国人的单户住宅的能力。
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Michael Gold: And he tells Congress that he wants to see limit on the ability of big Wall Street investors to buy single-family homes that he thinks should be going toward American people.
唐纳德·特朗普: 这就是我们想要的。我们要把房子留给人民,而不是留给企业。企业已经过得很好了。
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Donald Trump: That's what we want. We want homes for people, not for corporations. Corporations are doing just fine.
迈克尔·戈尔德: 这在某种程度上是一个民粹主义的想法。但它的核心逻辑在于:供人居住的房子应该由人来购买。它们应该对普通人开放。人们担心,大把资金的投资者涌入并买下房屋,实际上是在减少普通美国人的住房供应。因此,总统发出信号表示他认为这一点非常重要。国会议员们听到了他的声音,在他们制定法案细节时,加入限制大型投资者购买住房数量的条款。
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Michael Gold: And this is kind of a populist idea, but at its heart is the idea that homes for people to live in should be bought by people. They should be available to people, and there's concerns that having a lot of deep-pocketed investors come in and buy homes is actually reducing the supply for American people. And so, the president signals that he thinks this is really important, and members of Congress hear him, and as they're working out the details of the bill, they put in restrictions on how much housing large investors can buy.
迈克尔·巴尔巴罗: 这么看来,这在当时呈现出了一个所有系统都开足马力、势头正盛的动态。国会想要这个法案,总统似乎也想要,看起来它注定会顺利通过。
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Michael Barbaro: So, this is looking like an all systems go real momentum kind of dynamic. Congress wants this, the president seems to want it, seems like this is headed for passage.
迈克尔·戈尔德: 是的。我们之前提到的那群立场迥异的政客成功了。6 月底,参议院以 85 比 5 的票数通过了这项住房法案,这在一个党派分歧极其严重的国会中是一个令人难以置信的巨大优势。他们接着把法案送到了众议院。众议院迅速将其提上日程,并以同样压倒性的方式通过了它。
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Michael Gold: Yes, and so this diverse group of people who we talked about earlier succeeds, and at the end of June, the Senate passes this housing bill 85 to 5, an incredible margin in a very closely divided partisan Congress. They send it over to the house. The house quickly takes it up, and they pass it in a similarly lopsided fashion.
迈克尔·戈尔德: 每个人都很高兴。国会里的每一个人都参与了这个法案——迈克·约翰逊、弗兰奇·希尔……
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Michael Gold: And everyone is happy. Everyone in Congress got this bill, Mike Johnson, French Hill,
伊丽莎白·沃伦: 我不经常说这样的话,但今天,我为自己是美国联邦参议院的一员而感到自豪。
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Elizabeth Warren: I don't say this a lot, but today, I'm proud to be a member of the United States Senate.
蒂姆·斯科特: 这是一个跨党派、跨两院的议题,是在为人民服务。
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Tim Scott: This was a bipartisan, bicameral issue to do the work of the people.
约翰·图恩: 我期待着将这项法案呈递到总统的办公桌上,为美国人民带来又一次重大胜利。
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John Thune: I look forward to getting this bill to the president's desk and delivering another major win for the American people.
迈克尔·戈尔德: 他们都非常激动,看起来这项法案即将正式成为法律。
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Michael Gold: They are all thrilled, and it looks like this bill is going to become a law.
迈克尔·巴尔巴罗: 没错,这真是一个在当今时代下,“政府依然能够运转”的现实时刻。
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Michael Barbaro: Right, a real government, even in this era, can work kind of moment.
签字仪式前夕的剧变
迈克尔·戈尔德: 是的,在一个没人觉得政府能成事的时代。我们之前没见过多少两党合作通过的立法,大家都非常高兴。这不仅让他们可以自我表功,而且能向选民展示:“看,我们可以团结起来,为你们解决这个切身利益相关的大问题。”于是,他们决定在国会大厦策划一场法案签字仪式。总统会出席,众议院议长也会在场,参议员约翰·图恩也将列席,大家都会站在舞台上大谈他们有多么兴奋。他们既想借此给自己贴金,也想要一个拍照宣传的机会。他们想上 C-SPAN、福克斯新闻和 CNN,向美国人民展示:“看我们为你们做了什么。看看我们是如何团结一致的。这是我们可以在竞选广告中循环播放的镜头,能帮我们宣传好几个星期。”
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Michael Gold: Yeah, at a time when no one thinks the government can do this. You know, we haven't seen much bipartisan legislation, and everyone is really pleased that they can kind of pat themselves on the back, but also that they can show voters, "Look, we can come together and we can fix this issue that's really important to you." And they decide to plan a signing ceremony at the Capitol. President's going to come, speaker will be there, Senator John Thune will be there, and everyone's going to stand on a stage and talk about how excited they are. And they want to pat themselves on the back, but they also want a photo opportunity. They want to get on C-SPAN, they want to get on Fox News and CNN. They want to be able to show the American people, "Look at what we did for you. Look at us coming together. Here's the footage that we can, you know, have in our campaign ads that we'll have circulating for the next several weeks."
迈克尔·巴尔巴罗: 没错。
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Michael Barbaro: Right.
迈克尔·戈尔德: 签字仪式原定于 6 月 24 日星期三举行,各项准备工作都在紧锣密鼓地进行中。他们在国会大厦搭建了舞台,向媒体通报了情况,确保所有人都做好了准备,确保大家都会准时出席。然而,随后一切都崩盘了。
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Michael Gold: So, the signing ceremony is scheduled for Wednesday, June 24th, and preparations are underway. They're building a stage in the Capitol, they're telling the press that it's happening, they're making sure everybody is ready, making sure everybody's going to be there. And then it all falls apart.
迈克尔·巴尔巴罗: 怎么会这样?
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Michael Barbaro: How so?
迈克尔·戈尔德: 迈克尔,就在签字仪式定于举行的前一天,参议院通过了一项令特朗普总统极其愤怒的表决。
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Michael Gold: Well, Michael, the day before the signing ceremony is supposed to happen, the Senate takes a vote that infuriates President Trump.
迈克尔·巴尔巴罗: 噢。
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Michael Barbaro: Hm.
迈克尔·戈尔德: 在过去的几个月里,参议院一直在反复对一项所谓的《战争权力决议案》进行投票。这些决议案要求总统在未通知国会的情况下发动的对伊朗的军事冲突,必须寻求国会的批准。
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Michael Gold: For the past few months, the Senate has been repeatedly voting on what's known as a war powers resolution, and these are resolutions that direct the president to seek congressional approval for the military conflict in Iran, which he started without notifying Congress.
迈克尔·巴尔巴罗: 没错。
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Michael Barbaro: Right.
迈克尔·戈尔德: 之前的几次表决都失败了。民主党人一直在推动,但从未达到能通过的门槛。但是,就在签字仪式的原定前一天,有足够数量的共和党人加入到了民主党人的阵营中,成功通过了这项决议。这对于当时正通过其内阁成员与伊朗谈判停火及结束战争协议的总统来说,无疑是一个沉重的打击。总统因此勃然大怒,因为他觉得国会是在他试图找到结束冲突并向前迈进的方法时,在背后绑住了他的一只手。
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Michael Gold: And these votes have been failing. Democrats keep bringing them, but they never make it past the threshold to succeed. But, the day before the signing ceremony, enough Republicans join with Democrats to pass this resolution. And that's a major rebuke for the president, who at that very moment, his administration is negotiating with Iran on a ceasefire and a deal that would end the war. And so the president is furious because he feels like Congress is essentially tying one hand behind his back as he's trying to come up with a way to end this conflict and move forward.
迈克尔·巴尔巴罗: 明白。
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Michael Barbaro: Right.
迈克尔·戈尔德: 关于伊朗战争权力的表决是在周二,而第二天早上就是住房法案的签字仪式。我当时走上了国会山,路过那个正在搭建的舞台。当我穿过国会大厦时,参议院共和党领袖约翰·图恩正在参议院会议厅进行他的晨间发言。
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Michael Gold: So the Iran war vote is Tuesday, and the next morning is the signing ceremony for the housing bill. And I roll up to the hill and I walk past the stage being built, and as I'm walking through the capital, Senator John Thune, who's the Republican leader of the Senate,
约翰·图恩: 议长先生,我请求一致同意。参议院开始进行晨间业务,参议员们获准发言……
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John Thune: Majority Leader. President, I ask unanimous consent. The Senate being a period of morning business with Senators permitted to speak for...
迈克尔·戈尔德: 而众议院议长迈克·约翰逊和他的领导团队当时正站在新闻发布会上,谈论着这项法案以及它将为美国人民带来什么。
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Michael Gold: And Speaker Mike Johnson and his leadership team
迈克·约翰逊: 大家早上好。我想……这是一项能切实降低住房成本的极其重要的法案。我们为美国家庭交出了满意的答卷。
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Mike Johnson: Well, good morning, everybody. I want to... A really important bill to lower housing costs. We delivered for American families.
迈克尔·戈尔德: 大家都蓄势待发,准备迎接这盛大的一天。总统亲临国会山,历来都是大事件。
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Michael Gold: And everyone is gearing up for a big day. It's always a big day when the president comes to the capital.
迈克尔·巴尔巴罗: 没错。
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Michael Barbaro: Right.
迈克尔·戈尔德: 突然之间,毫无征兆地,就在签字仪式定于举行的几个小时前,总统在他的社交媒体平台 Truth Social 上宣称他将不会签署这项住房法案。天哪,他直接取消了签字仪式。当参议员们正在发言、众议院共和党党团的成员们正在讲话的时候……
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Michael Gold: Suddenly, out of nowhere, hours before the signing ceremony is supposed to take place, the president goes on his social media platform Truth Social and says that he will not sign the housing bill. Wow. He kills the ceremony. And as senators are speaking, as members of the House Republican conference are speaking,
迈克·约翰逊: 我可以回答几个问题。是的。
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Mike Johnson: Uh I'll take a few questions. Yeah.
记者: 约翰逊先生,在此次新闻发布会进行的过程中,特朗普总统刚刚宣布他要取消你们刚才一直在谈论的住房法案的签字仪式。你对此有什么反应?
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Reporter: Mr. Johnson, in the in the process of this press conference, President Trump announced that he is canceling the bill signing for the housing bill that you all were just talking about. What is your reaction?
迈克尔·戈尔德: 他们看起来完全不知道总统刚刚亲手扼杀了他们今天原本最大的功绩。
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Michael Gold: They don't seem to be aware that the president has just killed what was going to be their big achievement of the day.
迈克·约翰逊: 额,我……我的反应是,总统先生如果通读了法案的全部细节,他会明白这是一个非常好的成果。
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Mike Johnson: Yeah, I um my reaction is the president, when we go through the details of the bill, he's going to understand that that that it's a good product.
迈克尔·戈尔德: 期间,有一位国会议员走到原本要举行签字仪式的现场,环顾四周,似乎完全找不到其他人。记者们不得不告诉她,签字仪式已经被取消了。她随后离去,而一群记者依然站在那里,看着那个原本要见证重大立法成就、见证两党合作突破的舞台空空如也。随后,工人们开始把舞台拆成碎片。我们所有人都目瞪口呆,试图弄清楚究竟发生了什么,以及接下来会发生什么。
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Michael Gold: At one point, uh member of Congress walks up to the signing ceremony, looks around, doesn't seem to know where anyone is, and reporters have to tell her that the signing ceremony is not happening. And she leaves, and a bunch of reporters are still standing there watching as this stage, which was supposed to be the platform for this major legislative achievement, this huge bipartisan breakthrough, is empty, and workers start taking it apart piece by piece. And we're all left reeling trying to figure out what's going on and what's going to happen next. We'll be right back.
特朗普的筹码:《拯救美国法案》
迈克尔·巴尔巴罗: 迈克尔,根据你的了解,总统为什么要取消这场备受期待的签字仪式,并宣称自己不打算签署这项法案?这只是因为他在为《战争权力决议案》的投票结果赌气吗?
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Michael Barbaro: Michael, what's your understanding of why the president canceled this much-anticipated signing ceremony and says he is not going to sign the bill? Is this him basically just being sore over the War Powers Resolution?
迈克尔·戈尔德: 《战争权力决议案》当然没有任何正面帮助。但是,当总统在社交媒体发帖取消签字仪式时,他把矛头指向了另外一件事。他指向了《拯救美国法案》(Save America Act)。《拯救美国法案》是总统长期以来梦寐以求的选举法案,这源于他多年来对选举舞弊的执念,以及他对美国选举中存在所谓选举舞弊的那些被驳斥的指控。这项法案将在全国范围内强制规定选民在投票站出示身份证明。它将要求选民在登记投票时提供公民身份证明,并且会严重限制邮寄选票。这也是许多共和党参议员反对该法案,并一再告知总统由于票数不够而无法通过它的主要原因。因此,该法案在参议院处于搁置状态,但特朗普总统似乎意识到,他现在有了一些筹码。他手里有一项大家都希望它成为法律的住房法案。他手里还有一场大家都希望举行的签字仪式。于是,当他发布社交媒体动态取消签字仪式时,他宣称除非国会通过他视之为“国家紧急状态”的《拯救美国法案》,否则他绝不会签署住房法案。
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Michael Gold: Well, the War Powers Resolution certainly doesn't help. But when the president announces in his social media post that he's canceling the signing ceremony for the housing bill, he points to something else. He points to the Save America Act. The Save America Act is the president's long-sought election bill that comes out of his years of fixation on voter fraud and his debunked claims of voter fraud in American elections. This bill would impose a national requirement that voters show identification at the polls. It would require that they provide proof of citizenship when they register to vote, and it would severely restrict voting by mail, which is something that many Republican senators oppose and is a major reason why Republicans have repeatedly told the president that they don't have the votes to pass this bill. And so the bill is stalled in the Senate, but it seems like President Trump has realized that now he has some leverage. He has this housing bill that everyone wants to become a law. He has a signing ceremony that everyone wants to happen. And so when he makes his social media post canceling the signing ceremony, he says he will not sign the housing bill until Congress passes the Save America Act, which he says he considers to be a national emergency.
迈克尔·巴尔巴罗: 我的意思是,考虑到该选举法案在政治上根本没有可能通过,总统为什么非要把这两项法案捆绑在一起呢?总统是真的以为这种“扣押人质”的行径能迫使《拯救美国法案》得以通过,还是背后另有隐情?
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Michael Barbaro: I mean, why does the president insist on linking these two bills given the political impracticality of the election bill ever passing. Is it actually the president imagining that this hostage-holding will work to get Save America passed, or is something else going on?
迈克尔·戈尔德: 我认为总统的一部分思维确实觉得,只要他施加足够的压力,参议院总会找到办法顺从他的意愿。
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Michael Gold: I think there is a part of the president that thinks that if he puts enough pressure, the Senate will find a way to do his bidding.
迈克尔·巴尔巴罗: 嗯。
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Michael Barbaro: Mhm.
迈克尔·戈尔德: 但我认为这里更深层次的问题是,在过去的几个月里,许多参议员开始变得更加独立了。他们开始对那些他们认为不符合自身政治利益的总统要求进行抵制。这就是我们之前谈到的伊朗《战争权力决议案》投票开始起作用的地方。因为那是共和党人拒绝总统外交政策倡议的一次非常瞩目的公开表态。在过去的几个月里,还有其他几起类似的事件,共和党人表示他们不能盲目顺从总统的意愿,并且要对他进行反击。我认为,在特朗普看来,《拯救美国法案》遭遇的阻力是最大的挑衅。因为在他看来——而且他以前也说过:
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Michael Gold: But I think the bigger issue here is that over the past few months, a lot of senators have become more independently minded. And they started to push back against things that the president wants that they don't think meets their political interests. And that's where the Iran War Powers vote that we talked about starts to come into the mix. Because that was a very high-profile display of Republicans rejecting the president's foreign policy initiative. And there have been a few other cases in the last few months where Republicans have said that they can't just blindly go along with the president's wishes and that they're going to push back against him. I think Save America for President Trump represents the greatest pushback. Because in his view, and he said this before,
唐纳德·特朗普: 共和党人在中期选举中获胜的唯一途径,就是通过这项法律。
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Donald Trump: The only way for Republicans to win in the midterms is if they pass this law.
迈克尔·戈尔德: 但国会中的共和党人正试图把焦点放在住房可负担性上。他们想谈论实际的议题。他们希望向公众突出展示他们能为美国人民带来的成果。这也就是双方分歧的所在。
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Michael Gold: But Republicans in Congress are trying to focus on affordability. They want to talk about issues. They want to highlight these things that they can deliver for the American people. And that's where these paths kind of diverge.
迈克尔·巴尔巴罗: 没错。所以在某种意义上,特朗普是在惩罚国会中的共和党人,因为他们没有像他一样看待局势,偏离了他对于如何赢下中期选举的策略——即在战略上限制投票以使共和党获利。但迈克尔,这是否也意味着,特朗普是在向共和党人表明,在中期选举中真正重要的并非政策成就,并非通过一项能够展示共和党关心民众生活成本的重大住房法案?相反,在总统看来,党派应该优先考虑那些可能有助于党派获胜的投票限制措施。他是在说:“把精力放在操弄选举系统上,而不是放在争取选民的民心上。”
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Michael Barbaro: Right. So, in a sense, Trump is punishing Republicans in Congress for not seeing the situation as he sees it, for diverging from his view of the best way to win the midterms, which is strategic, which is restricting voting in a way that could advantage Republicans. But what that suggests, and I'm curious if you agree with this proposition, Michael, is that Trump is saying to Republicans, what really matters in these midterms is not policy achievements. It's not getting a big housing bill passed that would show Americans that the Republican Party cares about cost of living. Instead, what the party should prioritize, according to the president, are restrictions on voting that could help the party win. He's saying, "Focus on working the election system, not on appealing to the hearts and minds of the voters."
迈克尔·戈尔德: 我认为这是一个很好的阐释框架。我曾报道过 2024 年的特朗普竞选活动,在某种意义上,他总是更乐于谈论这些选举程序问题,而不是讨论经济、可负担性以及那些我们如今看到选民最为关切的实际议题。我们在过去的几天里再次看到了这种情况。
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Michael Gold: I think that's a good way to frame it. You know, I covered the Trump campaign in 2024, and there was a sense in which he was always much happier to be talking about these elections issues than talking about the economy, talking about affordability, uh talking about all these things that we now see are of top concern to voters. And we've actually seen that again in the past few days.
记者: 总统先生,你对住房法案有什么计划?
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Reporter: What are your plans for the housing bill, Mr. President?
迈克尔·戈尔德: 当他被问及这项他党内成员称之为“重大胜利”的住房法案时:
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Michael Gold: Where when he's asked about this housing bill, which members of his party are calling a major victory,
唐纳德·特朗普: 我不知道。我认为,与《拯救美国法案》相比,它太微不足道了。我认为……
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Donald Trump: I don't know. I think it's so unimportant by compared to by compared to the Save America Act. I think...
迈克尔·戈尔德: 他对该法案不屑一顾,称其无足轻重,并暗示它实际上并不能解决问题。
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Michael Gold: He's dismissing it, saying it's of minor importance, suggesting that it won't actually fix the problem.
唐纳德·特朗普: 这很无聊。有些人说它棒极了。呃,对我来说,与《拯救美国法案》相比,几乎所有事情都很无聊。
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Donald Trump: It's a yawn. Some people say it's wonderful. Uh to me, compared to the Save America Act, just about everything is a big yawn.
迈克尔·戈尔德: 结果就是,在 11 月中期选举临近的政策议题上,他似乎把国会中的共和党人晾在了一边。
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Michael Gold: And so there's a way in which he seems to be leaving Republicans in Congress almost twisting in the wind when it comes to policy issues ahead of the midterm elections in November.
宪法程序与政治后果
迈克尔·巴尔巴罗: 那么请向我解释一下,对于一个已经由两院通过,但总统并不喜欢并宣称不准备签署的这种体量的法案,接下来会发生什么?
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Michael Barbaro: Well, yeah, just explain me. Well, what happens to a bill of this scale that's been passed by both chambers, but that the president doesn't love and says he won't sign?
迈克尔·戈尔德: 总统也可以让所有人大吃一惊,选择签下这项法案,无论是在白宫悄悄签署还是举行一个简短的签字仪式。目前看来这不太可能,但对于特朗普来说,许多事情都可能发生变化。
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Michael Gold: The president could surprise everybody and sign this bill, whether quietly or with a quick signing ceremony at the White House. Right now, that doesn't seem very likely, but with Trump, many things can change.
迈克尔·巴尔巴罗: 确实。
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Michael Barbaro: Right.
迈克尔·戈尔德: 但无论特朗普怎么做,根据宪法规定,一旦总统收到国会递交的法案,一个 10天倒计时 就会开始启动。如果他在国会开会期间什么都不做,法案在 10 天期满后依然会自动成为法律。这个 10 天倒计时的期限就在本周末。
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Michael Gold: But regardless of what President Trump does, under the Constitution, once the president gets a bill from Congress, a 10-day clock starts to tick. And if he does nothing when Congress is in session, the bill becomes a law anyway. And the timeline for that 10-day clock is the end of this week.
迈克尔·巴尔巴罗: 唔。也就是说,该法案将在第 10 天以这样一种尴尬的方式“自动”生效。
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Michael Barbaro: Hmm. Mhm, just kind of limps into law on that 10th day.
迈克尔·戈尔德: 是的,就是这个意思。但总统也可以选择直接否决(veto)该法案,将其退回给国会,并以此挑衅那些向来不敢惹怒他的共和党人去推翻他的否决。
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Michael Gold: Yeah, that's the idea. But the other thing that the president could do is veto the bill, send it back to Congress, and dare Republicans who have been very hesitant to do anything to anger him too much to override his veto.
迈克尔·巴尔巴罗: 如果真发生了,那绝对将是这个华盛顿官场上第一例总统否决权被强行推翻的案例。
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Michael Barbaro: Which would definitely be the first time that a presidential veto was overridden in this town.
迈克尔·戈尔德: 是的,而且我认为对于许多曾经支持该法案的共和党人来说,这将是一个非常艰难的选择。因为正如我们在这次中期选举周期中所观察到的,总统对得罪过他的人向来是记仇的。尽管国会议员们非常渴望通过这项住房法案,但他们必须认真权衡,是否要因为推翻总统的否决而彻底惹恼他。
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Michael Gold: Yeah, and I think it would actually be a tough decision for a lot of Republicans, even though they supported this bill. Because if we've been watching anything during this midterm cycle, it's that the president remembers people who have crossed him. And even though these guys really want this housing bill, I think they'd have to make a serious decision about whether to anger the president by rejecting his veto.
迈克尔·巴尔巴罗: 那么,让我们先假设最可能出现的情况是总统无所作为,而法案最终在没有签字仪式的情况下自动成为法律。这个结果对该法案本身,以及对总统与国会共和党领导层的关系意味着什么?
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Michael Barbaro: Well, let's assume for a moment that the likeliest path is that perhaps the president simply does nothing, and this becomes law without ceremony. And what would that outcome mean for this bill and for the president's relationship with the Republican leadership in Congress?
迈克尔·戈尔德: 无论它是以何种方式生效,这依然是一次重大的立法胜利。国会已经有 30 多年没有通过任何重大的住房立法了。这依然是一次重大的跨党派胜利。专家表示,虽然它可能不会立即解决住房危机,但它在解决这个影响数百万美国人的问题上迈出了坚实的一步。
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Michael Gold: Well, look, if this bill becomes a law regardless of how it happens, this is still a major legislative victory. It's been more than 30 years since Congress has passed major housing legislation. It would still be a major bipartisan victory, and experts say that this might not fix the housing crisis right away, but it would go a long way toward starting to address a problem that affects millions of Americans.
迈克尔·巴尔巴罗: 没错。
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Michael Barbaro: Right.
迈克尔·戈尔德: 但在政治层面上,事情就有些棘手了。在过去的几个月里,我们看到总统与参议院共和党人之间出现了明显的裂痕。他们开始愿意违背他的意志。我们谈到了关于伊朗战争权力的表决,但他们此前也迫使总统取消了那个本应资助所谓“司法武器化”受害者的司法部基金。他们还开始对他的几位提名人选表示异议,认为他们并不适合担任要职。
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Michael Gold: On the political end, I think that's a bit tricky. You know, we've seen in the last several months this rift open between the president and Republicans in the Senate especially. And they've been willing to buck his priorities. You know, we talked about the Iran war vote, but they also essentially made him kill this Justice Department fund that was supposed to go to the victims of so-called weaponization. They've started making noise about not thinking a lot of his nominees are fitting candidates for office.
迈克尔·巴尔巴罗: 比如国家情报总监的提名人。
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Michael Barbaro: Like the director of national intelligence.
迈克尔·戈尔德: 比如国家情报总监的提名人,以及在某种程度上,被特朗普提名为司法部长的托德·布兰奇。你开始看到这些直到现在还没表现出什么独立倾向的参议员们,正越来越多地就自身优先事项与总统发生分歧而表达担忧。我们正处于中期选举周期的中期,共和党人非常希望展现团结。他们想对外界宣告:总统、众议院和参议院都在同一条战线上,我们都在为美国人民奋斗。而那场原本要举行的签字仪式本应是他们展示团结的一个大好机会。但我认为,共和党人不会轻易原谅总统夺走了这本属于他们的重大宣传照片和媒体曝光时刻。我们总是谈论总统不会忘记国会议员对他的轻慢,但国会议员也同样不会忘记总统对他们的这次轻慢。
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Michael Gold: Like the director of national intelligence, and to some extent Todd Blanche, who Trump nominated as attorney general. And you're starting to see that these senators, who up until this point had really not shown much of an independent streak, are starting to get a bit louder about their concerns that their priorities and the president's are diverging. We're in the middle of a midterm election cycle. And Republicans want to display unity. They want to say the president, the house, and the senate were all on the same page, and we're all fighting for the American people. And that signing ceremony was supposed to be a big way for them to demonstrate that they were doing that. But I don't think Republicans are going to look kindly on the president taking away what would have been a major photo opportunity and a major media moment for them. We always talk about how the president doesn't forget slights that members of Congress commit against him. But I don't think that members of Congress would forget this slight against them.
迈克尔·巴尔巴罗: 好的,迈克尔,非常感谢。
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Michael Barbaro: Well, Michael, thank you very much.
迈克尔·戈尔德: 很高兴与你交谈,迈克尔。
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Michael Gold: Always great talking to you, Michael.
今日其他要闻
迈克尔·巴尔巴罗: 我们马上回来。以下是今天您需要了解的其他重要新闻。
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Michael Barbaro: We'll be right back. Here's what else you need to know today.
播音员: 在过去的周末,美国以全国范围内的庆祝活动纪念了其建国 250 周年,活动包括行进乐队演出、独立战争历史重演、军事飞行表演以及烟花汇演。在华盛顿,由于雷暴导致推迟了 90 分钟后,特朗普总统在国家广场发表了演讲。
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Announcer: The United States honored its 250th birthday over the weekend with coast-to-coast celebrations that featured marching bands, Revolutionary War reenactments, military flyovers and fireworks. In Washington, President Trump delivered a speech on the National Mall after a 90-minute delay caused by thunderstorms.
唐纳德·特朗普: 在这个国家,我们可以实现最狂野、最不可能实现的梦想。历史上没有哪个梦想比 1776 年 7 月 4 日开始的那个梦想更伟大、更令人难以置信。
Original English
Donald Trump: But in this country, we can achieve the wildest and most impossible dreams. And no dream in history is bigger or more incredible than the one that started on July 4th, 1776.
播音员: 在偶尔穿插的对政治对手的挖苦中,特朗普强调了美国革命的不可思议性以及它所造就的国家的非凡性。
Original English
Announcer: In between occasional digs at his political opponents, Trump emphasized the improbability of the American Revolution and the exceptionalism of the nation that it produced.
唐纳德·特朗普: 这场独立战争是由民兵、农民、铁匠和手工业者发起的,他们拿起滑膛枪对抗地球上最强大的军队,那是一支不可战胜的军队,直到他们遇到了我们。没有人强迫他们这么做。他们战斗是因为他们知道,一个自由的人民必须拥有一个自由的国家。跨越 250 年……
Original English
Donald Trump: The war for independence was launched by minutemen, farmers, blacksmiths, tradesmen, who took up their muskets against the mightiest army on Earth, the most powerful army, an unbeatable army until they met us. No one made them do it. They fought because they knew that a free people must have a free country. Over 250 years,
播音员: 此外,在周日,足球运动的管理机构国际足联(FIFA)在特朗普总统向其主席提出个人申诉后,做出了一项极不寻常的决定,撤销了对美国队头号射手的一场停赛处罚。这位美国球员福拉林·巴洛贡在上周与波斯尼亚和黑塞哥维那的比赛中被红牌罚下。根据国际足联的规则,他将被迫缺席原定于今天举行的美国队与比利时队的下一场比赛。比利时方面对此项禁赛撤销决定表示震惊,并正在研究其应对选项。
Original English
Announcer: And on Sunday, soccer's governing body, FIFA, made the highly unusual decision to overturn the one-game suspension of the US team's top scoring player after a personal appeal from President Trump to FIFA's president. The American player, Folayan Balogun, was given a red card last week during a World Cup game against Bosnia and Herzegovina. As a result, under FIFA rules, he would be forced to miss the US team's next game against Belgium scheduled for today. Belgium said it was astonished by the reversal of the suspension and was exploring its options.
迈克尔·巴尔巴罗: 本期节目由妮娜·费尔德曼、奥利维亚·纳特、克里斯·本德列夫、罗谢尔·邦贾和凯特琳·奥基夫联合制作。由雷切尔·奎斯特和德文·泰勒编辑。配乐由玛丽·洛扎诺和丹·鲍威尔创作。我们的主题音乐由 Wonderly 制作。本期节目由阿丽莎·莫克斯利进行工程制作。以上就是今天的《每日新闻》。我是迈克尔·巴尔巴罗。我们明天见。
Original English
Michael Barbaro: Today's episode was produced by Nina Feldman, Olivia Nat, Chris Benderev, Rochelle Bonja, and Caitlin O'Keefe. It was edited by Rachel Quester and Devon Taylor. And contains music by Mary Lozano and Dan Powell. Our theme music is by Wonderly. This episode was engineered by Alyssa Moxley. That's it for The Daily. I'm Michael Barbaro. See you tomorrow.
📌 文中提及的人物和组织
公司/组织: New York Times, Congress, Senate, House of Representatives, Truth Social, FIFA
媒体/书籍: The Daily