围困之下的连线
路易·雷: 喂?
Original English
Louie Rei: Hello.
瑞秋·亚伯拉罕斯: 嗨,路易。我是来自《The Daily》的瑞秋·亚伯拉罕斯(Rachel Abrams)。
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Rachel Abrams: Hi, Louie. This is Rachel Abrams from the Daily.
路易·雷: 嗨,瑞秋。
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Louie Rei: Hi, Rachel.
瑞秋·亚伯拉罕斯: 非常感谢你抽时间接受我们的采访。
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Rachel Abrams: Thank you so much for making time to speak with us.
路易·雷: 谢谢你。
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Louie Rei: Thank you.
瑞秋·亚伯拉罕斯: 你现在人具体在哪里?
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Rachel Abrams: Where are you physically right now?
路易·雷: 我现在就在约旦河西岸(West Bank)自己的家里,正处于以色列定居者(Israeli settlers)——一群极端分子的包围之中。我们被禁止离开这栋房产。定居者想让我全家、还有邻居家都搬走。这样他们就能顺理成章地霸占房屋并彻底接管。他们想要整片土地、整座山头,以及所有的房子。
Original English
Louie Rei: I am currently in my house in the West Bank under siege by Israeli settlers, extremists. We are not allowed to leave the property. The settlers wants my family, the neighbors family to leave. So simply they can steal the houses and take over. They want the entire land, the entire mountain, all the houses.
瑞秋·亚伯拉罕斯: 路易,外面现在正在发生什么?比如从你屋里往外看,能看到外面的定居者吗?
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Rachel Abrams: What's happening right now, Louie? Like are there settlers outside that you can see from inside your house right now?
路易·雷: 是的,我此刻正看着他们。有三个定居者,距离我大约 300 到 400 码。呃,他们搬来了沙发,正坐在阳光下。就在刚才来了三名士兵,我当时看着他们,心里在想:这些士兵会怎么对付他们?会逮捕他们吗?会把他们赶走吗?还是会告诉他们这里是军事禁区?因为这正是他们昨天对我说的理由。
结果呢?完全没有。士兵们什么都没做,只是环顾四周,跟他们聊了大概 5 分钟就直接离开了。
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Louie Rei: Yes, I am watching them as we speak. There's three settlers. that's about 300 to 400 yards from me. Uh they brought couches and they sitting in the sun and moments ago there's a three soldiers and I was watching uh wondering what what's the soldiers going to do to them? Are they going to arrest them? They going to remove them? Are they going to tell them it's a closed military zone? Because this is what they told me yesterday. Absolutely. They did nothing. They just looked around. They talked to them probably for 5 minutes and they just left them.
瑞秋·亚伯拉罕斯: 这简直太荒谬了。
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Rachel Abrams: It's it's it's insane.
西岸暴力激增的背景
瑞秋·亚伯拉罕斯: 这里是《纽约时报》(The New York Times),我是瑞秋·亚伯拉罕斯,这是《The Daily》。
过去一年里,约旦河西岸的暴力事件激增。以色列定居者一直在恐吓巴勒斯坦人,焚烧他们的财产、连根拔起橄榄树林、盗走牲畜,这一切都是为了把巴勒斯坦人从自己的土地上驱逐出去。
根据联合国(United Nations)的数据,今年迄今已有超过 1,000 名巴勒斯坦人受伤,20 多人遇害——死亡人数已是 2025 年同期的两倍多。但这些定居者几乎从未因其行为承担过任何后果,部分原因在于他们得到了以色列政府的广泛支持。
今天,我们连线了身在约旦河西岸的巴勒斯坦裔美国人路易·雷,探讨他为保卫家园所面临的日益升级的危险。
Original English
Rachel Abrams: From the New York Times, I'm Rachel Abrams and this is the Daily. For the past year, there's been a huge increase in violence in the West Bank. Israeli settlers have been terrorizing Palestinians, setting fire to their property, uprooting their olive groves, and stealing their animals, all in an effort to drive them off their land. According to the United Nations, more than a thousand Palestinians have been injured and more than 20 killed so far just this year. That's more than twice the number of killings as in 2025. But the settlers seldom face any consequences for their actions. In part because they receive broad support from the Israeli government. Today we talked to Palestinian American Louis Rei in the West Bank about the mounting dangers of trying to hold on to his home.
瑞秋·亚伯拉罕斯: 当我们致电路易·雷时,他正身处约旦河西岸北部一个约有 5,000 人的小村庄库斯拉(Kusra)的家中。路易是在他的卧室里接受采访的,从那里的窗户可以俯瞰屋外,时刻留意外面发生的一切。
我问他是否敢踏出家门半步。
Original English
Rachel Abrams: When we called Louis Rei, he was in his house in Kustra, a small village of about 5,000 people in the northern West Bank. Louis talked to us from his bedroom where he could look out the window and keep an eye on what was happening outside. I asked him if he dared to leave the house.
路易·雷: 绝对不敢。
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Louie Rei: Absolutely not.
瑞秋·亚伯拉罕斯: 如果你走出去会发生什么?
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Rachel Abrams: What happens if you do?
路易·雷: 要么被开枪射杀,要么被殴打致残。
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Louie Rei: Either get shot, killed, or hospitalized.
瑞秋·亚伯拉罕斯: 那么食物怎么办?你家里目前有食物吗?
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Rachel Abrams: And what about food? Do you have food in your house right now?
路易·雷: 昨天早上 6 点左右,趁着外面还没人,我冒着生命危险跑去村里,买了些面包、鸡蛋、水和牛奶,仅此而已。
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Louie Rei: Yesterday around 6:00 in the morning when nobody was outside, I risked my life and I ran to the village and I brought some bread, eggs, water, milk, and that's it.
瑞秋·亚伯拉罕斯: 还有谁和你在一起?
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Rachel Abrams: And who is there with you?
路易·雷: 还有我表弟以及他的两个儿子。
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Louie Rei: My cousin and his two boys.
瑞秋·亚伯拉罕斯: 孩子们多大了?
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Rachel Abrams: How old are the boys?
路易·雷: 他们大概 14、15 岁。
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Louie Rei: They are about 14, 15.
瑞秋·亚伯拉罕斯: 他们害怕吗?
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Rachel Abrams: Are they scared?
路易·雷: 当然,非常害怕。他们不敢直视窗外,也不敢发出任何声音。甚至在我们说话的时候,他们都在轻声低语。我们把窗帘都拉上了,门也都紧紧反锁着。
Original English
Louie Rei: Of course. Terrified. They cannot look outside the window. They cannot make noise. Even while we are talking, they are whispering. We have the blinds down. We have doors locked.
瑞秋·亚伯拉罕斯: 你们能开灯吗?
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Rachel Abrams: Are you able to turn on lights?
路易·雷: 完全不行。到了晚上,整个屋子一片漆黑,没有任何光亮。
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Louie Rei: Absolutely not. At night time, complete dark. No light at all.
从美国归来的寻根之路
瑞秋·亚伯拉罕斯: 路易,退一步讲,你是如何陷入眼前这种境地的?我了解到你在美国生活了很长时间。能先讲讲你在美国的经历吗?
Original English
Rachel Abrams: Louie, step back for a second and tell me how you got into this situation. I know you've lived in the United States for a long time. Can you tell me about that first?
路易·雷: 我在 1993 年以学生身份来到美国,就读于路易斯安那州(Louisiana)门罗(Monroe)的东北路易斯安那大学,攻读航空学(Aeronautics)。当时我持有学生签证。
后来我搬到了北卡罗来纳州(North Carolina)的夏洛特(Charlotte)。我爱上了那个地方。我在那里做生意、开店、买房,成家立业。我拥有了两个孩子,他们都在美国出生长大。我在那里生活了大约 30 年。
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Louie Rei: I came to the United States back in 1993 as a student in Northeast Louisiana University in Monroe, Louisiana, study Aeronautics. I had a student visa. And then I moved to Charlotte, North Carolina. I loved it. I went into business. I opened stores. I bought houses. I got married. I had two kids. They were born and raised in the United States. And I lived there for about 30 years.
瑞秋·亚伯拉罕斯: 那你为什么决定回到约旦河西岸?
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Rachel Abrams: And why did you decide to go back to the West Bank?
路易·雷: 我一直很想念我的家人——我的父母、兄弟姐妹都在这里。我一直渴望能回到家乡,享受宁静的退休生活,照料我从父亲那里继承的土地。我的父亲曾经悉心打理这片土地,种下了许多橄榄树。他去世后,土地传给了我。我心里一直挂念着它。
这片土地大约有 10 到 12 英亩。我决定回来,在土地中央建一栋漂亮的房子,并在四周种上各种树木——无花果树、杏树、葡萄藤和橄榄树。我本以为可以过上安宁平静的乡村生活,种种树、养养鸡、打理花园,安享晚年。
Original English
Louie Rei: I always missed my family, my mom, my dad, my brothers, sisters. And I always wanted to come back and retire in a quiet, peaceful place to look after my land that I inherited from my dad. My dad used to take care of it and put olive trees. And after he passed away, it was handed to me. I've always had that love in my heart. The land is about 10 to 12 acres. And I decided to come and build a nice house right in the middle of it and surrounded by trees, all kinds of trees, figs, almonds, grapes, and olive trees. And just looking for a quiet, peaceful life, farming, having chickens, having a garden, enjoying the rest of my life.
瑞秋·亚伯拉罕斯: 你具体是什么时候搬回去的?
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Rachel Abrams: And when did you move back?
路易·雷: 我是在 2022 年底搬回来的。
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Louie Rei: I moved back late 2022.
瑞秋·亚伯拉罕斯: 那时候的生活是什么样的?
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Rachel Abrams: And what was it like at that time?
路易·雷: 那时非常平静。我每天在土地上干活,享受这里的每一刻,完全没有出现过任何严重问题。我甚至还在山顶最高处建造了一栋漂亮的独立房屋,拥有 360 度的无敌视野。
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Louie Rei: It was very quiet. I was working on the land. I was enjoying it. There was no real major problems at all. I even built a nice separate house on the highest point on the mountain with a 360 view.
前哨站设立与紧张局势升级
瑞秋·亚伯拉罕斯: 那情况是从什么时候开始恶化的?
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Rachel Abrams: And when did that start to change?
路易·雷: 大约在 2023 年 6 月。当时一群定居者强行占领了山顶那栋房子。
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Louie Rei: Around June of 2023. A group of settlers took over that house on the top of the mountain.
瑞秋·亚伯拉罕斯: 当你得知他们占了那栋房子时,你的反应是什么?
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Rachel Abrams: What was your reaction when you found out they had taken over that house?
路易·雷: 我感到非常震惊和困惑:他们到底想干什么?后来我才明白,他们是在建立一个所谓的前哨站(outpost)。他们带了数百只羊、吉普车、越野四驱车、发电机、水箱,还有大批人员,彻底把它变成了一个定居点前哨站。
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Louie Rei: Shocked. Wondering, what are they doing? What do they want? And then I realized they're building an outpost. They brought hundreds of sheep, jeeps, four-wheelers, generators, water tanks, lots of people. And they turned it into an outpost.
瑞秋·亚伯拉罕斯: 这里的背景是:自 1967 年以来,以色列在约旦河西岸建立了约 150 个官方批准的定居点,目前居住着约 50 万以色列人。根据国际法,这些定居点被广泛视为非法,但以色列对此持有异议。
除了这些官方定居点,定居者还在西岸各地设立了上百个未经以色列政府官方批准的非法前哨站。这些前哨站往往是由激进的极端分子发起,通常从几个集装箱、房车或一两栋建筑开始,随后逐步扩张。
路易,在这个前哨站建立后,你的日常生活发生了什么变化?
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Rachel Abrams: Just to give some context: Since 1967, Israel has built roughly 150 officially recognized settlements in the West Bank, which are now home to about 500,000 Israelis. Under international law, these settlements are widely considered illegal, though Israel disputes that. But beyond those authorized settlements, settlers have established over a hundred unauthorized outposts throughout the West Bank. These outposts are often spearheaded by radical extremists, starting with just a few trailers or a couple of buildings, and then expanding. Louie, once this outpost was established, what changed in your day-to-day life?
路易·雷: 一切都变了。他们开始放羊践踏并吃掉我们的庄稼和树木。他们骑着四驱车和摩托车在我们的土地上横冲直撞。他们开始随身携带突击步枪(M16),对空中鸣枪恐吓。他们每天都在挑衅,试图激怒我们,想要逼我们离开。
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Louie Rei: Everything changed. They started grazing their sheep on our land, eating our crops and trees. They started driving four-wheelers and dirt bikes through our property. They started carrying assault rifles, M16s, shooting in the air. Daily harassment. Trying to provoke us, trying to make us leave.
10月7日之后的暴力质变
瑞秋·亚伯拉罕斯: 这种挑衅后来是如何进一步恶化的?
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Rachel Abrams: And how did that escalate further?
路易·雷: 到了 2023 年 10 月 7 日哈马斯袭击以色列(October 7 attacks)之后,局势彻底失控了。定居者变得极其猖獗,暴力程度呈指数级上升。
就在 10 月 11 日,一大群全副武装的定居者袭击了我们村庄东部边缘的一户人家。他们朝房子疯狂开枪。村民们赶去救援,结果定居者直接向人群扫射,当场打死了三名村民,打伤了很多人。第二天,当人们举行葬礼时,定居者和以军又伏击了送葬队伍,再次打死两人,其中包括一对父子。
几天后,他们来到了我的房子。当时我不在家,他们砸碎了所有门窗,洗劫了屋里的财物,砍倒了我的橄榄树,毁掉了灌溉系统,甚至砸毁了储水罐。
Original English
Louie Rei: After October 7th, when the war started, everything went out of control. The settlers became emboldened. The level of violence escalated exponentially. On October 11th, a large group of armed settlers attacked a family on the eastern edge of our village. They opened fire on the house. Villagers went to help, and the settlers shot directly into the crowd, killing three villagers on the spot and injuring many others. The next day, during the funeral procession, settlers and soldiers ambushed the procession and killed two more people, a father and son. A few days later, they came to my house. I wasn't there at that moment. They smashed all the windows and doors, looted the contents, cut down my olive trees, destroyed the irrigation system, and shot up the water tanks.
瑞秋·亚伯拉罕斯: 当你看到被摧毁的家园时,你做了什么?你有没有向警方或军方报案?
Original English
Rachel Abrams: When you saw your home destroyed like that, what did you do? Did you contact the police or the military?
路易·雷: 报案根本没有任何用处。以色列警方几乎从不调查针对巴勒斯坦人的暴力或破坏行为。即使我们报警,他们要么根本不来,要么即使来了,也是站在定居者一边。军队不仅不保护我们,反而保护定居者。在很多情况下,定居者本身就是被征召服役的预备役军人,他们穿着军装、拿着政府发放的武器来袭击我们。
我作为一名美国公民(American citizen),曾多次联系美国大使馆(US Embassy)。我向他们提交了照片、视频、财产所有权证明和宣誓书。
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Louie Rei: Filing a report is completely useless. The Israeli police almost never investigate violence or vandalism against Palestinians. Even if we call them, they either don't show up, or if they do, they protect the settlers. The army doesn't protect us; they protect the settlers. In many cases, the settlers are reservists who have been called up. They are wearing military uniforms and carrying government-issued weapons while attacking us. As an American citizen, I contacted the US Embassy multiple times. I provided them with photos, videos, deeds of ownership, and affidavits.
瑞秋·亚伯拉罕斯: 美国大使馆是如何回应你的?
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Rachel Abrams: And what was the response from the US Embassy?
路易·雷: 他们只是说:“我们正在关注局势,已向以色列当局提出关切。”但这没有改变任何事情。实地没有任何实质性的保护,袭击和侵占依然每天都在继续。
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Louie Rei: They just said, "We are monitoring the situation and raising our concerns with Israeli authorities." But that changed nothing on the ground. There is no real protection. The attacks and encroachments continue every single day.
当下的围困与系统性驱逐
瑞秋·亚伯拉罕斯: 让我们回到眼前发生的事情。你刚才提到,定居者现在就在你的院子外面,你被困在屋里。这次围困具体是怎么开始的?
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Rachel Abrams: Let's come back to what is happening right now. You mentioned earlier that settlers are right outside your compound and you are trapped inside. How did this latest siege begin?
路易·雷: 就在几天前,他们直接把牛群和羊群赶进了我的院子。随后几名定居者带着帐篷、家具和发电机直接搬了进来,在距离我家正门几十米的地方安营扎寨。
当我走出去要求他们离开我的私人土地时,他们拔出枪指着我的头,威胁说如果我不滚回屋里或者敢踏出院子,他们就一枪打死我。紧接着军队来了,但军队不是来驱逐入侵者的,军官反而对我宣布这里是“军事禁区”,命令我不得离开房屋,否则将面临逮捕或枪击。
Original English
Louie Rei: A few days ago, they brought their cattle and sheep directly into my yard. Then several settlers brought tents, furniture, and generators, setting up camp just dozens of yards from my front door. When I went outside and demanded they leave my private property, they drew their guns, pointed them at my head, and threatened to shoot me if I didn't get back inside or if I stepped off the property. Then the soldiers showed up. But instead of removing the trespassers, the officer declared my property a "closed military zone," ordering me to stay inside and warning that if I step out, I would be arrested or shot.
瑞秋·亚伯拉罕斯: 所以,定居者可以在你的土地上自由活动、坐在沙发上晒太阳,而你作为合法的土地所有者,却被军方软禁在自己的房子里?
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Rachel Abrams: So the settlers are free to roam around your land, sitting on couches in the sun, while you, the legal owner of the land, are placed under house arrest by the military?
路易·雷: 没错,这就是这里的现实!这就是一种赤裸裸的种族隔离与驱逐策略。他们的目标非常明确:切断你的食物和水,切断你的日常出行,用持续不断的死亡威胁让你生活在恐惧中,直到你精神崩溃、不得不主动放弃家园逃走。一旦你离开了,他们就会立刻占领房屋,宣布这里归他们所有。
这就是为什么我坚持不走。因为我知道,只要我踏出这扇门并且不再回来,我的祖产、我父亲留下的土地就彻底没了。
Original English
Louie Rei: Exactly. That is the reality here! It is a blatant strategy of apartheid and displacement. Their goal is crystal clear: cut off your food and water, cut off your mobility, keep you living in terror under constant death threats until you break down mentally and abandon your home. Once you leave, they take over immediately and claim it as theirs. That's why I refuse to leave. Because I know that if I walk away and don't come back, my ancestral land, the land my father left me, will be gone forever.
瑞秋·亚伯拉罕斯: 面对随时可能降临的暴力,你害怕吗?你打算怎么坚持下去?
Original English
Rachel Abrams: In the face of imminent violence, are you afraid? How do you plan to hold out?
路易·雷: 我当然害怕,我只是一个普通人,我也有血有肉。但与此同时,我心中有一种坚定的信念。这是我合法的土地,我有所有权文件,我有国际公认的权利。如果连我一个拥有美国国籍、能够引起外界关注的人都会被如此肆无忌惮地驱逐,那千千万万没有外国护照的普通巴勒斯坦村民又该如何生存?
我会尽可能守在这里。我希望世界能看清这里正在发生的真相——这不是简单的邻里冲突,这是一场有国家机器在背后支持的、系统性的掠夺与压迫。
Original English
Louie Rei: Of course I'm afraid. I'm a human being made of flesh and blood. But at the same time, I have a deep conviction in my heart. This is my legal land. I have the deeds. I have the internationally recognized right to be here. If I, an American citizen with the ability to reach international media, can be driven out so brazenly, what hope is there for the thousands of ordinary Palestinian villagers who have no foreign passports? I will stay here as long as I can. I want the world to see what is happening here—this is not a simple neighbor dispute; this is a systematic campaign of dispossession and oppression backed by the state apparatus.
瑞秋·亚伯拉罕斯: 路易,非常感谢你冒着巨大风险与我们连线,请务必注意安全。
Original English
Rachel Abrams: Louie, thank you so much for taking such a huge risk to speak with us. Please stay safe.
路易·雷: 谢谢你,瑞秋。感谢你们报道真相。
Original English
Louie Rei: Thank you, Rachel. Thank you for telling the truth.
瑞秋·亚伯拉罕斯: 本期节目由戴维·哈尔芬格(David Halbfinger)、亚伦·博克斯曼(Aaron Boxerman)以及诺亚姆·布兰克斯(Noam Blanks)共同制作。
以上就是今天的《The Daily》,我是瑞秋·亚伯拉罕斯。明天见。
Original English
Rachel Abrams: This episode was produced by David Halbfinger, Aaron Boxerman, and Noam Blanks. That's it for the Daily. I'm Rachel Abrams. See you tomorrow.
📌 文中提及的人物和组织
公司/组织: The New York Times, United Nations
产品/模型: The Daily