节目开场与斯蒂芬·米勒任命
>>: 来自《纽约时报》，我是瑞秋·艾布拉姆斯（Rachel Abrams），这里是《The Daily》。[音乐]
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**>>**: From the New York Times, I'm Rachel Abrams and this is the Daily. [music]>>: 我们必须采取行动。我们必须采取行动。有时候，在生活中你必须采取行动。
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**>>**: We got to make We got to make moves. Sometimes Sometimes in life you have to make moves.>>: 上周选民在投票中表达了历史性的谴责之后，[音乐] 特朗普总统宣布提拔白宫顾问斯蒂芬·米勒（Steven Miller），此人负责了特朗普第二任期内一些最具进攻性和争议性的政策。斯蒂芬从一开始就陪伴着我。他政治嗅觉非常敏锐，而且是个非常好的人。他会做得非常出色。是个优秀的管理者。
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**>>**: In response to a historic rebuke last week [music] at the polls, President Trump has announced that he is elevating White House adviser Steven Miller, the person responsible for some of the most aggressive and controversial policies of Trump's [music] second term. Steven's been with me from beginning. He he gets it very good politically and he's a very good man. He'll do a great job. Great manager.>>: 因此在今天，白宫记者玛吉·哈伯曼（Maggie Haberman）和乔纳森·斯旺（Jonathan Swan）[音乐] 将解释米勒被任命为白宫办公厅主任一事，展现了特朗普[音乐]最后两年的优先事项。今天是11月9日，星期一。[音乐] 乔纳森、玛吉，非常感谢两位在周日早晨与我们交谈。
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**>>**: And so today, White House reporters Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan [music] explain what Miller's appointment as White House chief of staff tells us about Trump's [music] priorities for his final two years. It's Monday, [music] November 9th. Jonathan, Maggie, thank you both so much for talking to us on a Sunday morning.>>: 谢谢邀请我们。
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**>>**: Thanks for having us.中期选举失利后的战略转向
>>: 那么，在共和党经历了被形容为灭顶之灾的中期选举结果之后，显而易见的问题就是：面对这种失败，特朗普总统会做出怎样的改变（如果有的话）。周五我们得到了部分答案，那就是办公厅主任苏西·威尔斯（Susie Wilds）出局了，她的接替者将是斯蒂芬·米勒，他是总统最信任但也最具争议的助手之一。首先，乔纳森，我想请你谈谈提拔米勒对未来的施政议程说明了什么。
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**>>**: So, after what has been described as an extinction level result in the midterm elections for Republicans, the obvious question has been what, if any, changes President Trump would make in response to this kind of defeat. And on Friday, we got part of an answer, which is that Susie Wilds, chief of staff, she is out. and her replacement would be Steven Miller, who is one of the president's most trusted and most controversial aids. Just to start off, I want Jonathan for you to tell us what the promotion of Miller shows us about the agenda moving forward.>>: 首先说明的一点是，总统在中期选举后直接表示想与民主党人合作、想要妥协、认为有很多与他们达成协议的潜力，我认为我们可以完全忽略这些言论。斯蒂芬·米勒的任命是一个信号，表明他真的对这种治理方式毫无兴趣。斯蒂芬·米勒是他高级幕僚中最具意识形态色彩的人，曾将民主党描述为甚至算不上一个政党，而是一个国内极端主义组织。他不仅要在防御上让本届政府进入临战状态——他们已经在为调查、传票和监督做准备了——而且在进攻方面，斯蒂芬·米勒将积极寻找举措来重新激发共和党 MAGA 基本盘的活力，让他们对这位总统和本届政府再次兴奋起来。这不仅关乎他以强硬右翼闻名的移民问题，还包括其他文化战议题。因此我认为我们可以预期一种围绕基本盘、基本盘、再基本盘的策略，完全没有任何哪怕是做出跨党派合作姿态的兴趣。
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**>>**: Well, the first thing it shows is that the president's comments directly after the midterms that he wants to work with Democrats, that he wants to compromise, that he thinks, you know, there's lots of potential to do deals with them. I think we can completely discount that Steven Miller is a signal that he really has no interest in this type of governance. Steven Miller is the most deeply ideological of his senior staff as someone who's described the Democratic party as not even a political party but rather a domestic extremist organization. He is going to put this administration on a war footing not just defensively. You know, they were already preparing for investigations and subpoenas and oversight, but offensively, Steven Miller is going to be looking at what can they be doing proactively to re-energize the Republican MAGA base, get them excited again about this president, about this administration, not just immigration where he's very well known for being hard right, but other culture war issues. So I think we can expect a base base base strategy and no interest really whatsoever in even a gesture towards bipartisanship.>>: 瑞秋，我还要指出的另一点是，大多数人认为担任办公厅主任是斯蒂芬·米勒本任期的终极目标。许多人依然感到意外，总统竟然真走出了这一步，因为总统确实明白这意味什么，以及它将被视为巨大侵略性的象征。
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**>>**: And the other piece, Rachel, that I would just note is most people believe this was Steven Miller's ultimate goal for this term was to be the chief of staff. It was still surprising uh to a lot of people that the president pulled the trigger on it because the president does know what it means and how it will be taken as a as a symbol of massive aggression.苏西·威尔斯离任的内情
>>: 好的。那么让我们深入探究一下这项任命，因为被斯蒂芬·米勒取代的女性苏西·威尔斯，在很大程度上被视为一位稳定力量，毕竟总统在第一任期内就像走马灯一样撤换办公厅主任。请给我们解释一下，他究竟为什么觉得她必须离开？
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**>>**: Well, okay. So, let's drill into that appointment a little bit because Susie Wilds, the woman that Steven Miller has replaced, she had largely been seen as kind of a force of stability for a president who in his first term just sort of churned through chiefs of staff. So explain to us why exactly he felt that she needed to go.>>: 现实情况是，瑞秋，在任何中期选举周期中，如果遭受如此惨重的全面失利，在任何一届政府中办公厅主任都会被替换，尤其是碰上一个从不把任何事情归咎于自己的总统。
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**>>**: I mean, the reality, Rachel, is that in any midterm cycle, if you have this level of sweeping losses, a chief of staff is going to get replaced in in any administration, especially with a president who does not ever blame himself for anything.>>: 她上任时对他非常忠诚。她还带来了一批效忠于她、但也信任总统并希望看到他成功的团队。而且她主要并不认为自己的工作是去改变他。她不认为自己的职责是像他第一任期的许多助手那样，保护国家免受他的伤害。
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**>>**: She came in, you know, very loyal to him. She also brought with her a group of people who were loyal to her but who also believed in the president wanted to see him succeed. And she primarily did not see her job as changing him. She did not see her job as you know protecting the country from him>>: 她不是一个特别具有意识形态色彩的人。在许多这类问题上她相当灵活，愿意顺应总统的想法。商界认为她是可以接触沟通的人，特别是在商界对斯蒂芬·米勒推动强力打压移民感到不安时——尤其是在明尼苏达发生的事情之后。但她承受着很多外部抨击。总统不喜欢看到有关她身边亲近人员通过各种方式赚钱的报道。我们的同事肯·沃格尔（Ken Vogel）爆料了一篇报道，指出特朗普的两名与她结盟的高级政治顾问在中期选举前三周前往巴尔干地区处理完全无关的事情。总统从来都不喜欢这种事。所有这些因素结合在一起，造成了一个相当动荡不稳的环境。
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**>>**: the way a number of his first term aids did. But she was somebody who was not particularly ideological. You know she was fairly flexible on a bunch of these issues and willing to go along with what the president wanted. She was somebody who the business community believed that they could reach out to, particularly when they were upset about Steven Miller's push for aggressive crackdowns on immigration, especially after what you saw in Minnesota. But she was taking on a lot of incoming. Uh the president did not like stories that he was seeing about people close to her making money in different respects. You know, uh, our colleague Ken Vogle broke a story about two of Trump's top political adviserss who are aligned with her taking a trip to the Balkans 3 weeks before the midterms elections after something completely unrelated. President never likes that. And so all of these factors combined to make it a pretty destabilized environment.>>: 总统在中期选举失利后非常愤怒。乔纳森和我上周对此进行了报道。当着许多人的面，他就这次失利对她表现得相当粗暴。
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**>>**: And the president was very angry after the midterm losses. And he, you know, Jonathan and I reported on this last week. He was pretty brutal to her in front of a bunch of people about the losses.>>: 怎么个粗暴法？
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**>>**: Brutal how?>>: 就是一味指责她，包括在选举之夜的东厅观选派对上，当着其他人的面。
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**>>**: Just blaming her, including uh on election night in the East Room in front of other people at his watch party.>>: 总统将这次惨败归咎于苏西·威尔斯，这公平吗？对此我们可以怎么评价，乔纳森？
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**>>**: Is it fair that the president is blaming Susie Wilds for this massive loss? What can we say about that, Jonathan?白宫权力架构与政策归咎
>>: 她确实是办公厅主任，但人们对这个角色的理解通常基于历史，即办公厅主任意味着“守门人”。它在白宫具有特定的职能。但对唐纳德·特朗普来说，这个角色实际上并不存在，也不可能存在。唐纳德·特朗普不允许存在真正的守门机制。他身边有像娜塔莉·哈普（Natalie Harp）这样的人，为其他人提供直达他的渠道。
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**>>**: Well, she's the chief of staff, but the way people understand that role usually rests on history where the chief of staff means a gatekeeper. It has a particular function in the White House. The role doesn't actually really exist for Donald Trump. It it can't. Donald Trump doesn't allow gatekeeping, proper gatekeeping. He has people like Natalie Harp who give others a direct channel to him.>>: 他喜欢亲自拿起电话下达命令，而他的助手们可能知情也可能不知情。你最近看到他聘请了一位新任新闻发言人。那简直是一场灾难。她只撑了5天。凯蒂·扎卡里亚（Katie Zachariah），对吧？
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**>>**: He likes to pick up the phone himself and you know give orders which his aids may or may not know about. You saw recently he hired a new press secretary. It was a complete disaster. She lasted 5 days. Katie Zachariah, right?>>: 苏西·威尔斯在其中完全没有参与，这件事是作为既成事实摆在她面前的。正常的办公厅主任对这种决定拥有绝对权威。在她名义上负责领导的幕僚团队中，这是一个关键任命。所以，是的，她有影响力；是的，她在政策中扮演了重要角色。但认为全盘政策都是由她操舵的想法，完全不符合事实。如果你谈到他做出的、民调显示对中期选举结果产生最大影响的重大决定——即向伊朗开战的决定——她在这个决定中完全没有发挥任何作用。事实上，在那些导致伊朗战争的重要会议中，她几乎让自己不发表任何意见。
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**>>**: Susie Wilds had no role whatsoever in that and and it was given to her as a fatal comple. So a normal chief of staff would have absolute authority over such a decision. It's a key appointment on the staff that she is supposedly the chief of. So yes, she had influence. Yes, she had a big role in policy. But the notion that she steered all of the policy, it just doesn't comport with the facts. And if you talk about the biggest decision that he made that polling shows had the biggest effect on the midterm results, the decision to go to a war in Iran, she had absolutely no role in that decision. In fact, almost absented herself from having an opinion in these big meetings that led to the war in Iran.>>: 毫无疑问，战争是一个巨大因素，但绝非唯一因素。关税政策是总统很长一段时间以来一直想尝试的事情。他坚持在贸易问题上与全世界开战。
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**>>**: There's no question that the war was the huge factor, but it was certainly not the only one. Uh the tariff policy was something that the president had wanted to try for a very long time. He insisted on going to war with the entire world on trade.>>: 那是幕僚长试图贯彻他意愿的一件事，而由于总统希望的发展方式，结果成了灾难。所以，你知道，在总统身边，幕僚的结局往往只有一种，事情演变至此并不令人意外。
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**>>**: That was something that the chief tried fulfilling his wishes on and it was calamitous because of how the president wanted it to go. So, you know, things tend to end only one way with the president for his staff and it's not really a surprise that this is how this went.>>: 而且看，斯蒂芬·米勒在西翼高层拥有的经验比苏西·威尔斯多得多。对于政府内部的权力杠杆在哪里，他要精通得多。他比她更懂政策。因此他很可能在更广泛的政策领域施加更大影响，尤其是国家安全领域。斯蒂芬·米勒花了很多时间思考自己想要实现什么。在某些方面，特朗普是他自青少年时期起就怀抱的个人愿景的载体。因此对于自己在政府中想要完成的目标，他比苏西·威尔斯曾经拥有的愿景要清晰得多。
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**>>**: And and look, Steven Miller has much more experience in the West Wing than Susie Wilds has at a senior level. He is much more knowledgeable about where the levers of power are in inside the government. Um he knows more about policy than her. So it's very possible that he could exert more influence over a wider range of policies, particularly national security. Steven Miller spent a lot of time thinking about what he wants to achieve. Trump is a vehicle for his own vision that he's had in some respects since he was a teenager. And so he has much more of a vision for what he wants to accomplish in government than Susie Wilds ever did.米勒的政治游说与联盟重组主张
>>: 那跟我们多讲讲那个愿景吧。比如，斯蒂芬·米勒在争取成为办公厅主任时（如果算是有的话）向总统推销了什么？他希望或者认为未来两年的施政议程应该是什么？斯蒂芬·米勒渴望这份工作，他为此进行了游说，并允许盟友为他奔走呼吁。他们向高级官员和其他有助于他争取该职位的有影响力人士提出的理由是，他能协助把基本盘重新凝聚起来。
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**>>**: So tell us more about that vision. Like what was Steven Miller's pitch to the president in so far as there was one to become chief of staff about what he wanted the agenda to be or thought the agenda should be at these next two years. So Steven Miller wanted the job and he lobbied for it and he allowed his allies to advocate for it. And the pitch they made to senior officials and others who would be influential in helping him get the job was that he would help get the base back together. M>>: 知道吧，[嗤笑] 这次中期选举对特朗普团队来说是一场灾难，因为看数据分解，他们联盟的每一个组成部分都在大量流失：男性、年轻人、无大学学历的白人。这是特朗普基本盘的核心，他们却远离了共和党，要么留在家中不投票，要么转投民主党。因此斯蒂芬给出的理由是，他最适合重新集结 MAGA 基本盘、重组 MAGA 联盟，回归到最初在2024年让特朗普当选的那些政策。瑞秋，我想说明一点：2024年选出唐纳德·特朗普重返职位的联盟，由 MAGA 铁杆基本盘特朗普支持者，加上一些被特朗普团队误以为是 MAGA、但其实只是对乔·拜登不满的人群组合而成。这包括一些非裔选民、一些拉美裔选民，以及密歇根州的一些阿拉伯裔选民等。这些人实际上并不属于那个联盟核心。这些选民在十多年来的多次选举中经常来回摇摆。因此，斯蒂芬·米勒主要着眼的政策——更多对移民的打压，因为这是斯蒂芬的施政议程——在全国范围内极其不受欢迎。在移民问题上变本加厉可能只对全国大约40%的人有吸引力，对其他人则不然，甚至还达不到40%。所以，重要的是要记住，斯蒂芬·米勒的政策在吸引力层面很可能是多么狭隘。
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**>>**: you know [snorts] this midterm elections was a calamity for the Trump team because you look at the the breakdown of the data every single part of their coalition left in big numbers men younger people white non-oled educated this is the core of the Trump base and they moved away from the Republicans either stayed home or they switched their vote to Democrats And so Steven made the case that he was best placed to reassemble the MAGA base, the MAGA coalition, getting back to the policies that got Trump elected in the first place in 2024. I want to make one point, Rachel. The coalition that elected Donald Trump back into office in 2024 was a combination of MAGA hardcore base Trump folks and then people who the Trump team seemed to have confused as being MAGA when they were just not happy with Joe Biden. And that includes some black voters, some Hispanic voters, some Arab voters in Michigan for instance. And those are people who are not actually part of the coalition. And those are voters who have been in many cases flipping back and forth in elections for more than a decade. And so the policies that Steven Miller is is looking at primarily more immigration crackdowns because that is Steven's agenda that is overwhelmingly unpopular in the country and doubling down on immigration is going to appeal to probably about 40% of the country but not the rest and and if that much. So, it's just important to bear in mind how narrowly tailored what Steven Miller's policies are likely to be in terms of their appeal.>>: 不用说，斯蒂芬·米勒入主向基本盘释放了一个信号，即他们将在移民问题上采取更强硬的路线。米勒大力推销的另一个领域是 MAHA 议程——“让美国再次健康”（Make America Healthy Again），也就是鲍比·肯尼迪（Bobby Kennedy）的议程：对疫苗持怀疑态度，对大型制药公司和大型农业公司持怀疑态度。在 MAHA 运动内部有一种感觉，认为苏西·威尔斯掌管的白宫过于对外敞开商业大门，对产业界和游说人士过于开放。而斯蒂芬·米勒及其盟友试图传达并展现出来的——我们将观察是否会真正发生——是他们将远不那么受制于特殊利益集团和游说者。这是游说理由的一部分。他及其盟友传达的另一件事是，斯蒂芬·米勒明白他们需要结束这场伊朗战争。
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**>>**: And it goes without saying that having Steven Miller in there tells the base that they're going to go in a more hardline direction on immigration. Another area where Miller made a big pitch is the Maha agenda. Make America healthy again. The Bobby Kennedy agenda. um skepticism about vaccines, skepticism about big farmer, about big A. And there is a sense within the Maha movement that the Suzie Wilds run white house was much too open for business, much too open to industry and lobbyists. And what Steven Miller and his allies are trying to convey, trying to put out there, we'll see if it actually happens, is that they will be much less beholden to special interests and lobbyists. That's part of the pitch. And the the other thing that he said and his allies have conveyed is that Steven Miller understands that they need to end this war in Iran.伊朗战争与撤军考量
>>: 请解释一下这点，因为这显然是共和党人一直在关注的主要焦点，中期选举的废墟核心正是对伊战争。那么，他的具体提议是什么？
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**>>**: Well, explain that because that is obviously the major point that Republicans have been focusing on and the wreckage of the midterm is the war on Ron. So, what is his proposal exactly?>>: 这还完全不清楚，我也不确定这经过了多成熟的思考。首先要明白的是，在有关伊朗战争的任何讨论中，斯蒂芬·米勒都不是主要参与者。他并非战争筹划的重要一员。他一直是皮特·海格塞斯（Pete Hegseth）的坚定支持者与推动者，而海格塞斯可以说是这场战争最接近啦啦队长的人物；斯蒂芬·米勒还协助保护海格塞斯，免遭许多想让他下台的人的冲击。因此一方面，他在这项议题上并没有表明自身持有重大关切的历史记录。他在公开场合极力为这场战争辩护，但许多其他人也是如此。我们确实知道，在开战之前，特朗普核心圈子中几乎每个人都对这场战争存有严重疑虑。然而，唯一真正在战前与特朗普的会议上以强硬方式提出这些疑虑的人，是副总统 J·D·万斯（JD Vance）。其他人大部分把疑虑烂在肚子里。但玛吉和我在报道中得知的是，在中期选举之后，斯蒂芬·米勒和他的盟友一直在向外界传达：他明白这场战争在政治上是一场灾难，而从中抽身对于开启重建和重新聚集基本盘的过程至关重要。
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**>>**: Well, it's it's not entirely clear and I'm not sure how thought out it is. I mean, the first thing to know is Steven Miller has not been a major player in any of the Iran war discussions. He was not a significant part of the planning for the war. He has been a huge promoter and booster of Pete Hegsth who has been the closest thing to a cheerleader for this war and Steven Miller has helped defend and protect Hegsth from a lot of people who wanted him out of the job. So on one hand he doesn't really have a track record on this issue that would suggest that he has major concerns about it. He defended the war viciferously in public, but so did many of the others. And we do know that just about everyone in Trump's inner circle had serious doubts about this war, before they went to the war. The only person, however, that actually raised those doubts in an aggressive way in meetings with Trump before the war was the vice president, JD Vance. The rest largely kept them to themselves. But what Maggie and I have learned in our reporting is that Steven Miller has been conveying to people and his allies have been conveying to people after the midterm election that he understands that the war has been a disaster politically and that getting out of it is very important to start the process of rebuilding and reassembling the base.>>: 好的。但鉴于这一切，我想知道我们是否可以将斯蒂芬·米勒的任命解读为特朗普也希望结束这场战争？我不认为总统现在很清楚自己在伊朗问题上想做什么。他承认那是一团糟。无论他是否会在公开场合明确说明这一点，我认为接下来会发生什么并不明朗。我不会以此过度解读米勒的升迁。[音乐]
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**>>**: Okay. But given all of that, I wonder if we can read Steven Miller's appointment as Trump also wanting to wind down the war. I don't think the president quite knows what he wants to do with Iran right now. He recognizes it's a mess. Whether he will, you know, explicate that or not publicly, but what comes next, I think, is not clear. And I wouldn't overread Miller's ascension based on that. [music]>>: 说到底，特朗普是这一切的驱动者，他要做他自己[音乐]想做的事。而且特朗普总统比以往两届任期的任何时候都更凭直觉和本能行事，并深信自己最清楚。我们马上[音乐]回来。
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**>>**: Trump at the end of the day is the driver of all of this and he is going to do what he [music] wants. And President Trump more than at any other point in either of his terms is operating on pure gut and instinct and his belief that he knows best. We'll be right [music] back.民调预警与白宫的应对盲区
>>: 乔纳森、玛吉，你们一直在向我们讲述上周发生的这些重大动荡，但我觉得在中期选举前夕，我读到一篇又一篇报道都在讲所有民调显示要么会有“蓝潮”，要么会有“蓝色海啸”。显然，民调并不总是准确的，往往不可靠，但这确实让我好奇，我们在中期选举中看到的共和党惨败，究竟有多少是被预料到的？特别是特朗普本人究竟有多大程度上预料到了周二发生的事情？
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**>>**: So, Jonathan Maggie, you've been talking to us about these massive shakeups that have happened in the last week, but I feel like in the run-up to the midterms, I just read story after story about how all the polls showed that there was either going to be a blue wave or a blue tsunami. Obviously, polls are not always right and can often be unreliable, but it does make me wonder how much any of this drubbing that we've seen that Republicans got in the midterms was anticipated and in particular how much Trump himself actually expected what we saw on Tuesday.>>: 玛吉、我本人以及我们的同事谢恩·戈德马彻（Shane Goldmacher）在这次中期选举的幕后做了大量报道。作为报道的一部分，我们接触到了特朗普团队相当多的内部民调和非公开焦点访谈小组数据。早在去年12月，他们就知道自己遇到麻烦了。
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**>>**: Well, Maggie, myself, and our colleague Shane Goldmarker did a lot of reporting behind the scenes of this midterm elections. And as part of that reporting, we got access to quite a few private polls and private focus groups from the Trump team. Back in December last year, they knew they had a problem.>>: 特朗普的民调支持率开始走软。他在一些首要议题上正在失势。选民开始质疑他对移民问题的处理，以及对经济的处理——而处理经济历来是特朗普的强项。选民在这一点上也开始对他产生质疑。这是去年12月的情况，那是在战争发生之前。战争让一切变得更糟。到了夏天，他们的民调开始真正拉响警报，显示这可能是一场糟糕的选举。你能看到他的支持率土崩瓦解，人们对战争感到不满，希望特朗普从战争中抽身。当他们对叛离的2024年特朗普选民进行民调，询问采取什么举措能挽回他们时，结束战争是排在第一位的议题。我们做的另一件事是获取了特朗普团队在选举前夕举行的内部视频通话内容。我们的报道显示，特别是在选举前的最后两次通话中，特朗普的高级助手们开始对全面惨败的前景感到非常非常紧张。他们谈论筹备后事，谈论服氰化钾自尽。所以当时充斥着大量这种绞刑架幽默。这一切都表明这场失利并非意料之外。显然，历史上总统在中期选举中的表现向来很差，但他们所有的民调也都在表明，对共和党人而言这可能是非常糟糕的一夜。特朗普本人也看过了这些民调。这对他来说不是意外。他看过公开民调，看过各种评论。他不仅看福克斯（Fox），还看 CNN 和现在的 MSNBC。所以特朗普并非没有接触到这些信息，但他也是一个践行积极思考力量的人。
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**>>**: Trump's polling was softening. He was losing ground on some of his top issues. Voters were starting to question his handling of immigration. and the economy, handling the economy, which has always been Trump's strong suit. Voters were starting to question him on that as well. So, this is last December. That's before the war. The war made everything worse. And when it got into the summer, their polling started to really sound the alarm that this could be a terrible election. You were seeing his approval rating fall apart and people were unhappy about the war. They wanted Trump to get out of the war. when they did polling of 2024 Trump voters who were defecting, what was the thing that they could do to bring them back? Ending the war was the top issue. The other thing we did was we got inside these private video calls that the Trump team was having in the leadup to the election. What our reporting showed, particularly in the last two calls they had before the election, was that Trump's top aids were starting to get very, very nervous about the prospect of a wipeout. They were talking about making funeral arrangements. They were talking about taking cyanide. So, there was a lot of that type of gallows humor. This is all to say that the loss was not unexpected. Obviously, historically, presidents have done very poorly in midterm elections, but also all of their polling was showing that this could be a very bad night for Republicans. Trump himself, he had been shown the this polling. It wasn't a surprise to him. He'd seen the public polls. He'd seen the commentary. you know, watches not just Fox, but he watches CNN and MS Now. So, it's not like Trump hadn't been exposed to this information, but he's also someone who lives by the power of positive thinking.>>: 但在所有这些糟糕的预测之中，特朗普是否表现出他在采取任何行动来扭转选举结果的迹象？
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**>>**: But in the middle of all this sort of terrible prognostication, is Trump giving any indication that he's doing anything because he wants to try to turn the election results around?特朗普的个人项目与竞选资金争议
>>: 没有。他最终举办了大量集会，因为基本上整个特朗普政治生态系统都是围绕着一种理念建立的：如果出了问题，答案就是投入更多特朗普。在临近选举前甚至召开了[音乐]一场记者会，那基本上相当于总统最后的选前定调信息。虽然他会否认其性质，但这确实就是前一天的活动。[音乐]他主持了这场活动——
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**>>**: No. He ended up doing a lot of rallies because essentially the entire Trump political ecosystem is built around the idea that if there is a problem that more Trump is the answer. There was [music] even this press conference that was essentially the president's closing message right before the election. Literally the day before, although he would deny that that's what it was, but [music] it was. He held this event>>: 今天，我无比激动地宣布林肯纪念堂的正式开放——
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**>>**: today. I'm thrilled to announce the official opening of the Lincoln Memorial>>: 就在倒影池正前方。
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**>>**: right in front of the reflecting pool.>>: 水池现在比以往任何时候都更好、更漂亮——
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**>>**: The pool is now better and more beautiful than it's ever been before,>>: 这引来了巨大的嘲笑，让人觉得这是浪费，把时间花在对美国公众毫不重要的事情上。
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**>>**: which has been a source of enormous derision and a sense of waste and of hours spent on matters that don't matter to the American public.>>: 现在，我们正在认真考虑将名字改为“特朗普倒影池”。这是总统宣布重新开放的现场。
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**>>**: Now, we're giving serious thought to changing the name to the Trump reflecting pool. And here was the president announcing that it was reopening.>>: 我只是开个玩笑。
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**>>**: I'm only kidding.>>: 如果你能做任何事来向选民强调：总统关注的是他自己在乎的事，而不是选民在乎的事，我想不出还能有什么别的做法。而在选举后的一天，情况也[音乐]极为相似——
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**>>**: And it was like if you could have done anything to underscore for voters that the president's focus was on things that he cares about as opposed to what the voters cared about, I don't know what you would have done differently. And [music] then pretty similarly the day after the election,>>: 我想这将是世界上任何地方最漂亮的宴会厅。他们努力争取了150年。为了——
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**>>**: it'll be the most beautiful ballroom I think anywhere in the world. And they've been trying to get it for 150 years. And for the>>: 他把记者团带到了他一直无比关注的宴会厅活动现场。
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**>>**: he brings the press corps to an event for the ballroom that he has been incredibly focused on.>>: 你可以举办宴会容纳任意多的人。查尔斯国王来访时，我们受到很大限制。是的。
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**>>**: You'll be able to have dinners for as many people as you want. We had King Charles here and we could we were very restricted. Yes.>>: 同样地，[音乐] 这是他的顾问们私下全都知道存在问题的又一个项目。[音乐] 不仅在象征层面上让华盛顿的许多人深感担忧，而且它还是捐助者被施压捐款的项目，[音乐] 是总统每周想要花上数小时的项目。[音乐] 而这就是他在选举刚结束后的表态，而不是其他任何内容。
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**>>**: And again, [music] this is another item that his advisers have all known privately was problematic. [music] not just symbolically that a lot of people in Washington were very worried about it, but that it was something that donors were being leaned on to give toward, [music] that it was something that the president wanted to spend hours and hours of his week on. [music] And that was his immediate aftermath message as opposed to anything else.>>: 接下来我们要建拱门，漂亮的就像凯旋门那样但更好、更漂亮，实际上要漂亮得多。而且如你们所知，我们正在建设美国英雄国家花园，那将会是非常美好的建筑——
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**>>**: And then we're doing the Ark, the beautiful like the Ark to triumph but better, more beautiful actually much more beautiful. And as you know, we're doing the National Garden of American Heroes, which will be something beautiful,>>: 对吧？基本上，我们看到的一切都不是你期望从一个试图扭转“泰坦尼克号”或对撞上冰山做出反应的总统身上看到的。瑞秋，这绝对是一位遵循着乔纳森和我曾写过的精神特质的总统，总统在选举前几周实际上在社交媒体上发过这段话：一切都会好起来的，一贯如此。他运行在这样一个世界里：事情总会以某种方式顺他的意。
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**>>**: right? Basically, everything that we saw is not what you would expect to see from a president who is either trying to turn the Titanic around or react to the fact that they have just hit the iceberg. It's definitely Rachel, a president who goes by the ethos that Jonathan and I have written about and that the president actually put out on social media a couple of weeks before the election, which is things are going to be fine. They always are. And he operates in this world where things work out for him one way or the other.>>: 所以看，在公开场合，你看到特朗普几乎处于一种游离解离的状态，对吧？这不是一个你见到的会说“好，我们谈正事，计划如下”的人。但在私下里，他非常愤怒。对结果非常恼火，想知道钱都去哪儿了。
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**>>**: So look, in public, you've seen Trump almost in a disassociative mode, right? This is not someone who you've seen, right? We're down to business. Here's the plan. But in private, he's been very angry. Very angry about the results. Wondering where the money went.>>: 意思是为了选共和党人花掉的所有资金，他觉得全打水漂了。
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**>>**: Meaning the money, all the money that was spent to try to elect Republicans, he thinks it's like gone to waste.>>: 没错。特朗普在一个超级政治行动委员会（Super PAC）里有约4亿美元左右的资金，他原本不想花。他认为那是所谓的“我的钱”。他的团队不得不极力劝说他把这笔钱花在共和党人身上。最终他们磨垮了他，他同意掏钱。所以现在从特朗普的角度来看，所有这些钱都被浪费在了一个糟糕的结果上。所以他很愤怒。他意识到自己需要做出改变，最主要的是为了阻断自选举以来他遭受的糟糕新闻报道——这些报道全都在谈论对唐纳德·特朗普和特朗普政府的否定，以及摆脱唐纳德·特朗普。你能看到很多电视字幕在讨论“后特朗普时代的共和党”。特朗普不想要一个后特朗普时代的共和党。只要他还活着，这就是“唐纳德·特朗普秀”。所以他正试图重新确立控制权、重新确立指挥权，他所做的一切都应该透过这个视角来看待。
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**>>**: Exactly. Trump had all of this money in a super PAC, about $400 millionish, and he didn't want to spend it. He sees it as quote unquote my money. and his team had to really work hard to persuade him to spend it on Republicans. Eventually, they wore him down and he agreed to spend it. And so now, from Trump's point of view, all of this money was wasted for a terrible result. And so, he's angry. He realizes he needs to make changes as much as anything to interrupt this terrible news coverage that he's been getting since the election where this is about a repudiation of Donald Trump and the Trump administration and moving on from Donald Trump. You're seeing lots of chirons about a postTrump Republican party. Well, Trump doesn't want a post Trump Republican party. As long as he's alive, it's the Donald Trump show. So he is trying to reassert control, reassert command, and everything that he's doing should be seen through that lens.特朗普的历史遗产观与党内博弈
>>: 就这一点而言，玛吉，你曾多次跟我们谈到唐纳德·特朗普有多么在意自己的历史遗产。我想这就是我从乔纳森的回答中听出的意思，对吧？你向我们解释的一切，有多少与推动唐纳德·特朗普的核心动力及其在乎的事情有关？
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**>>**: Well, just to that point, Maggie, you have talked to us a lot about how much Donald Trump cares about his legacy. And I that is that's what I'm kind of hearing from Jonathan's answer, right? Like like how much of what everything that you have just described to us has to do with Maggie, what you have explained to us is at the core of what drives Donald Trump and what he cares about.>>: 是的。瑞秋，明确地说，他在乎的并不是共和党的未来——那正是乔纳森所指出的。他非常在乎对此的个人主义视角：反映他的纪念建筑；反映他曾在此驻足、持久稳固、名字不会被摘下的纪念物，正如他在赢得2016年大选后以及2021年初灾难性地结束第一任期后所经历的那样。他在乎自己的个人财务状况。他和他的家人在这一任期内赚了大笔钱。仅在去年，总统在加密货币方面就获利22亿美元。
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**>>**: Yeah. What he cares about, Rachel, just to be clear, is not the future of the Republican party, which is what Jonathan is pointing to. He cares very much about a personalist view of this. Monuments that reflect him. Monuments to reflect that he was here, that are durable, that his name will not be taken off of, as he saw happen after he won the 2016 campaign and after his calamitous exit from his first term in in early 2021. He cares about his personal financial situation. He and his family have made a massive amount of money during this term. Just, you know, $2.2 billion in crypto alone for the president last year.>>: 令人震惊。
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**>>**: Staggering,>>: 对吧？他在乎统治力。他在乎不被忽视。正如乔纳森所说，聚焦在他身上的注意力非常重要，被视为强者的形象也很重要。但他毫不讳言的一点是，他认为——我想他的用词是“荣幸”——当他不在选票上时共和党人表现没那么好，这是一种荣幸。但这就是他所关心的遗产。
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**>>**: right? He cares about dominance. He cares about not being ignored. As Jonathan said, the focus of attention on him is very important. And so is the perception of him as strong. But he's made no bones about the fact that he considers it, I think his word was honor. an honor that Republicans don't do as well when he's not on the ballot. But that's the legacy he is concerned about.>>: 在他脑海中，很明确目标是要让自己被铭记。你知道，我们之前讨论过这个，但当玛吉和我3月份去见他时，他递给我们一张纸，上面在他心中将他的权力与历史上的伟大人物做比较：希特勒、斯大林、毛泽东、亚历山大大帝、成吉思汗、帖木儿。这些人物中有许多都只以一个名字为人熟知。玛吉和我非常清楚，唐纳德·特朗普最大的目标之一，就是让唐纳德·特朗普或者仅凭“特朗普”成为他一生中、我们一生中，也许是过去100年里具有决定性意义的历史人物。这就是目标。而不是共和党人在2032年大选中表现如何。没有任何事情比这距离唐纳德·特朗普的心思更遥远了。
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**>>**: In his mind, it's pretty clear that the goal is for him to be remembered. You know, we've talked about this before, but when Maggie and I saw him in March and he handed us a sheet of paper that compared his power to the great figures of history in his mind, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Alexander the Great, Genghask Khn, Tamilain, a lot of these figures are known by just one name. And it became very clear to Maggie and I that Donald Trump's one of his biggest goals is for Donald Trump or just Trump to be the defining historical figure of his lifetime, of our lifetime, maybe of the last 100 years. That's the goal. It's not how do Republicans do in the 2032 elections. You know, nothing could be further from Donald Trump's mind than that.>>: 确实。就这一点而言，乔纳森，共和党的其他人必须真正在乎共和党的未来，对吧？即使总统并不在乎。所以我想，我们开始看到共和党人就导致中期选举失利的原因所做出的许多反应，都关乎他们自己想要的、而总统绝对不在意的目标和诉求。
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**>>**: Right. To that point, Jonathan, the rest of the Republican party has to actually care about the future of the Republican party, right? even if the president does not. And so I would imagine that a lot of the responses that we're starting to see from Republicans about what led to the midterm losses have to do with goals and things that they want that are certainly not on the president's mind.万斯的前景与党内路线分歧
>>: 是的。他们所有人面临的挑战在于：他依然在位。他哪儿也没去。未来两年他都在这里，而且只要他活着，他依然会是党内的造王者。在基本盘眼中他仍是党内最受欢迎的人物。人们常常忽略这一点，但这就是事实。所以你会看到所有这些共和党人——而且现在已经开始了——试图规划一个所谓的“后特朗普时代”的未来，但后特朗普时代实际上还不存在。当你是一个在特朗普政府中任职、同时在为自己的政治前途做打算的人时，情况会变得更加复杂。副总统 J·D·万斯是其中最显著的一位。他必须做出决定：我要在2028年竞选总统吗？在2028年竞选总统会是什么样子？J·D·万斯面临着政治史上最艰难的任务之一。他必须重组一个支离破碎的联盟，面对许多在很大程度上对本届政府深恶痛绝的人群。作为现任副总统，他必须重新凝聚他们。顺便说一句，祝你在拉开与唐纳德·特朗普的距离上好运——那根本不是一个选项。
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**>>**: Yeah. And the challenge they've got uh for all of them is he's still around. He's not going anywhere. He's here for the next two years and and you know, as long as he lives really, he's still going to be a kingmaker in the party. he still is the most popular figure in the party with the base. People forget that, but it's just a fact. And so, you're going to have all of these Republicans, you already do, trying to map out a quote unquote post Trump future, but the postTrump era doesn't actually exist yet. And it gets even more complicated when you're someone who is serving in the Trump administration, planning a political future for yourself. JD Vance, the vice president, being the most significant there. He has to make a decision. Do I run for president in 2028? And what does that look like running for president in 2028? JD Vance has one of the most difficult tasks in political history. He has to reassemble a shattered coalition. People who are completely disgusted in many cases by this administration. he has to reassemble them while he's the sitting vice president. Oh, and by the way, good luck distancing yourself from Donald Trump. That's not an option.>>: 那么谈谈你提到的距离吧，乔纳森。因为我个人对 J·D·万斯在中期选举结果出炉后发出的推文感到非常意外，基本上把中期选举的失利归咎于伊朗战争。这之所以让人觉得触目惊心，是因为感觉这是一位特朗普忠臣、一位仍在为总统工作的人，正在试图与一个看似完全无法容忍任何被其视为不忠行为的人划清距离、拉开空隙。所以我只是想知道他们的关系如何，我们对此该如何解读。
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**>>**: Well, let's let's talk about that distance that you mentioned, Jonathan, because I personally was very surprised by this tweet JD Vans put out right after the midterm results, basically blaming the war in Iran for the midterm losses. And the reason why that felt striking was because it felt like here is a Trump loyalist. here, somebody who's still working for the president putting more distance, more daylight in between himself and a man who does not seem to tolerate any kind of what he considers to be disloyalty. And so I just sort of wondered what is their relationship and what are we to make of that.>>: 这是一个非常紧张微妙的时刻。我们将观察他还能这样做多久而不受惩罚。我不认为特朗普对承认伊朗战争在政治上或汽油价格上产生影响的想法完全反感。他自己也这么说过。但他确实希望他的助手和顾问在公开场合说：“但唐纳德·特朗普是正确的，他做出了开战的正确决定。”特朗普希望人们这么说。而这一点在那条社交媒体发文中明显缺失。所以我们将观察这种做法还能被容忍多久。
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**>>**: Well, it's it's a very fraught moment. We'll see how much more of that he can get away with. I don't think Trump is completely upset by the notion of acknowledging that the Iran war had an effect politically or on gas prices. He said as much himself, but he does want his aids and advisers publicly to say, "But Donald Trump was correct. He made the correct decision to go to war." Trump wants people to say that. That was conspicuously absent from that social media post. So, we'll see how much more of that is tolerable.>>: 所以，这并不是总统不能解职副总统的问题。显而易见，这里真正处于利害关头的是：J·D·万斯在2028年是否能够得到总统的支持。这就是他发表此类言论所冒的风险。
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**>>**: So, it's not a matter of the president cannot fire the vice president. Obviously, it's really what is on the line here is whether or not JD Vance for 2028 can get the president to stand behind him. That's what he's risking with these kinds of statements.>>: 是的。而且再次强调，我们还没有进入后特朗普时代。特朗普依然是总统，他的背书依然是党内最具决定性的背书，也是任何想成为2028年候选人的人最关键的因素。
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**>>**: Yeah. And and that's still again, we're not in a postTrump era. Trump is still the president and his endorsement is still the most decisive endorsement in the party and the most important factor for anyone who wants to be the nominee in 2028.>>: 是的，我认为这对于那些关注自身在共和党内前途、可能竞选总统的人（包括白宫以外的许多参议员）来说，比在白宫内部的人更重要。
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**>>**: Yeah, I think this matters more for the people who are looking at careers in the Republican party and possibly running for president among them a number of senators outside the White House than inside it.未来选举周期的不确定性
>>: 好的。两位刚才告诉我们，斯蒂芬·米勒和唐纳德·特朗普看起来准备在基本盘诉求上变本加厉；但我们周五邀请了预计将出任参议院多数党领袖的查克·舒默（Chuck Schumer）上节目。他当时对我们说的一件事是：如果特朗普继续现在的做法，民主党将在2028年轻松赢得白宫。我只是想知道，目前是否有任何迹象能帮助我们理解哪一方的策略是正确的。看，面对特朗普现在的所作所为，很难说“哇，这很有道理”。但我得说，瑞秋，两党在过去很多周期中犯下的错误之一，就是不断根据过去72小时刚刚发生的事情去断言未来必然会怎样。在全美范围内，民主党人也并不是特别受欢迎。[音乐] 他们现在只是比共和党人稍微受欢迎一点，对吧？
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**>>**: Okay. So, the two of you have just told us that it looks like Steven Miller, Donald Trump, they are about to double down on what the base might want, but we had Chuck Schumer expected his Senate Majority Leader on the show on Friday. And one of the things that he said to us was that if Trump keeps doing what he's doing, Democrats will easily win the White House in 2028. And I just sort of wonder if there's anything at this point that helps us understand which side's strategy is correct. Well, look, I mean, it's hard to look at what Trump is doing right now and say, "Wow, that makes a lot of sense." But I will say, Rachel, that one of the mistakes that both parties have made for many, many cycles now is continuing to say what just happened in the last, you know, 72 hours. Therefore, portends XYZ going forward. Democrats are not particularly popular either [music] nationally. They're just slightly more popular than Republicans right now,>>: 对吧？
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**>>**: right?>>: 相当长一段时间以来，两党都不受欢迎。[音乐] 我认为这次选举的结果表明，有一群选民希望看到政府为他们发挥作用。[音乐] 这并不意味着他们爱上了某一个党派。而且候选人的素质确实至关重要。因此候选人是谁将起到作用，民主党在接下来的两年里取得何种成就[音乐]也将产生影响。所以，我不认为我们现在能预言这一切从现在起的两年后[音乐]意味着什么。这意味着有很多选民[音乐]希望自己的生活变得更好，但觉得目前还没有任何一个党派[音乐]做到了这一点。[音乐]
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**>>**: Neither party has been popular for some time. And [music] I think what the results of these elections tell you is that there are a group of voters who want to see government work for them. [music] That doesn't mean that they fell in love with one party or the other. And candidate quality does matter. So who the nominees are will have a role and what [music] Democrats have accomplished in the next two years will have a say, too. So, I [music] I don't think we can say right now what any of this means for 2 years from [music] now. It means that there's a lot of voters who would like their lives to be better and don't feel like either party [music] has done that yet. [music]>>: 玛吉、乔纳森，非常感谢两位。
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**>>**: Maggie, Jonathan, thank you both so much.>>: 谢谢。
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**>>**: Thank you.>>: 谢谢，瑞秋。[音乐]
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**>>**: Thanks, Rachel. [music]特朗普在移民问题上的公开展态
>>: 你认为移民问题在中期选举中伤害了你吗？
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**>>**: Do you think immigration hurt you in the midterm?>>: 你认为打击行动伤害了你吗？我认为它既有帮助也有伤害。我认为——周日晚上，特朗普总统承认，其政府由斯蒂芬·米勒主导的针对移民的打压行动过于激进。
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**>>**: Do you think the crackdown hurt you? I think it both helped and hurt. I think on Sunday night, President Trump recognized that his administration's crackdown on immigration, led by Steven Miller, has been too aggressive.>>: “当你走进一家酒店，看到一个在那里工作的女员工，比如女佣、清洁工、各种杂工、服务员，做着很多很好的事情、很棒的工作，突然之间她们就被带离了这个国家。这很难受，这是一件让人难受的事。”在提拔米勒的同一天录制的《60分钟》（60 Minutes）采访中，特朗普总统表示，他愿意与即将上任的民主党控制的国会就移民改革展开合作，为没有暴力犯罪记录的无证移民提供合法身份。
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**>>**: When you go into a hotel and you have a woman that's worked there as a, you know, as a maid, as a cleaner, as a this, as a that, as a waitress, a lot of good things, great jobs, and all of a sudden they're being taken out of the country. It's tough. It's a tough thing. In an interview with 60 Minutes recorded on the same day he promoted Miller, President Trump said he would like to work with the incoming Democratic Congress on an immigration reform that offered status to undocumented migrants without a violent criminal record.>>: 你认为现在的民主党内有人会对这种协议感兴趣吗？[音乐]
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**>>**: You think the Democratic Party right now [music] has people in it who would be interested in this kind of deal?>>: 我觉得有。是的。已经有人给我打过电话了。
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**>>**: I think so. Yeah. People have already called me.其他重要新闻简报与制作名单
>>: 我们马上回来。
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**>>**: We'll be right back.>>: 以下是今天您还需要了解的其他要闻。[音乐] 芯片制造商英伟达（Nvidia）周日表示，正对其首席执行官兼联合创始人黄仁勋（Jensen Huang）[音乐] 展开调查。此前他向公司董事会承认，自己曾与一名被美国情报部门认定为中国间谍的企业高管存在亲密关系。[音乐] 在监视行动披露该女性直接向北京提供情报后，黄仁勋与该女性的关系演变成一项安全担忧。[音乐] 这项披露引发关切的部分原因在于，黄仁勋是人工智能领域最有权势的人物之一，也是特朗普总统有影响力的盟友。《纽约时报》多名消息人士称，国务卿马尔科·卢比奥（Marco Rubio）[音乐] 去年春天曾起草一份机密备忘录，就该关系向高级官员发出警告。[音乐]
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**>>**: Here's what else you need to know today. [music] The chipmaker Nvidia said on Sunday that it was opening an investigation into Jensen [music] Hong, its chief executive and co-founder, after he acknowledged to the company's board that he had been intimate with a business executive who US [music] intelligence determined to be a Chinese spy. Huang's relationship with the woman became a security concern [music] after surveillance revealed that she was feeding information directly to Beijing. The revelation raised concerns in part because [music] Hang is one of the most powerful figures in AI as well as an influential ally of President Trump. Multiple sources told the New York Times that Secretary of State Marco [music] Rubio had drafted a secret memo warning top officials about the relationship last spring. [music]>>: 以色列总统艾萨克·赫尔佐格（Isaac Herzog）正式向反对派领导人加迪·埃森科特（Gadi Eisenkot）亮起绿灯，尝试组建联合政府。埃森科特现在将有六周时间[音乐]来决定如何在各派政治势力中进行整合，以推翻现任[音乐]总理本雅明·内塔尼亚胡（Benjamin Netanyahu）。如果埃森科特未能组建联盟，[音乐] 总统将把机会转交给其他人，很可能是内塔尼亚胡。
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**>>**: And Israeli President Isaac Herzog officially gave opposition leader Gadi Eisenkot the green light to try to form a coalition government. Eisenhot will now have six weeks [music] to decide who amongst a fractious group of political parties can come together to oust incumbent [music] Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. If Eisenot fails to form a coalition, [music] the president will pass the baton to someone else, likely Netanyahu.>>: 本期节目由卡洛斯·普里奥（Carlos Prio）、米歇尔·邦贾（Michelle Bonja）和克莱尔·泰尼斯·格特（Claire Tennis Getter）制作。由玛丽亚·伯恩（Maria Burn）编辑，包含[音乐]帕特·麦卡斯克（Pat McCusker）、丹·鲍威尔（Dan Powell）和玛丽安·洛萨诺（Marian Lozano）的音乐。音频工程由艾丽莎·莫克斯利（Alyssa Moxley）完成，我们的主题音乐由 Wonderly 创作。[音乐] 《The Daily》今天的内容就到这里。[音乐] 我是瑞秋·艾布拉姆斯。明天见。