访谈开场与书籍介绍
主持人: 金融记者兼作家 Renee Sylvestre-Williams,著有《单身税:单身者无废话理财指南》,她今天来到录音棚。你今天怎么样?
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Host: Renee Sylvestre-Williams is a financial journalist and author of 'The Singles Tax: No Nonsense Financial Advice for Solo Earners', and she joins me in studio. How are you doing?
Renee Sylvestre-Williams: 我很好。
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Renee Sylvestre-Williams: I'm great.
主持人: 你呢?
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Host: How are you?
Renee Sylvestre-Williams: 我很好。
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Renee Sylvestre-Williams: I'm doing well.
主持人: 好的。您的书专门为独自生活的 加拿大人 提供财务建议。为什么需要这本书?
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Host: All right. Your book offers financial advice specifically for Canadians living alone. Why is it needed?
Renee Sylvestre-Williams: 嗯,问题是,我五年前开始写我的通讯,因为我当时有自己的疑问。在 新冠疫情(Covid) 期间,对吧?在疫情期间,我有时间。是的,我们都有时间。我们不能出门。我当时全职做自由职业,所以钱显然是我的头等大事,我有一大堆问题。我能负担得起退休吗?现在情况怎么样?作为一名从事新闻和传播工作,并且做过合同工和零工经济工作的人,我当时就像是有一堆拼图碎片,但我不知道那幅画是什么样的。
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Renee Sylvestre-Williams: Well, the thing is, I started my newsletter five years ago because I had my own questions. In the midst of Covid, I had time. Yeah, we all had time. We weren't allowed out of our house. I was freelancing full time, so clearly money was top of my mind and I had a whole bunch of questions. Could I afford to retire? What's going on? As somebody who works in journalism and communications and has done contracts and gig work, I had what I described as a whole bunch of puzzle pieces, but no idea what the picture was like.
主持人: 好的,我们说的是什么?
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Host: Okay, what are we talking about?
Renee Sylvestre-Williams: 我们说的是,我有一个 RSP,一个 TFSA。我甚至有一个 LIRA,是我十几年前的一个合同留下的,但这一切都没有连贯性。因为我有时间,我就想,好吧,我单身。如果我想退休,我需要存多少钱?等我老了,健康可能不太好了会发生什么?所以我开始写一些报道,有些被采纳了,有些没有。但当时我觉得这里有很多信息。我当时在网上找不到太多相关内容。所以我就开始写通讯,五年后就有了这本书。回到你关于提供建议的观点,我注意到在这五年里,很少有人谈论单身以及单身需要花费多少钱。但现在,在过去两年里,这可能跟我算法有关,但我也在媒体上看到了。关于单身成本的讨论越来越多。
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Renee Sylvestre-Williams: We're talking about having an RSP, a TFSA. I even had a LIRA from a contract I did over a decade ago, but there was no cohesiveness to it. Because I had time, I thought, okay, I'm single. How much do I have to save if I want to retire? What happens when I get older and my health may not be great? I started pitching stories; some landed, some didn't. But I realized there's a wealth of information here. I couldn't find much online at the time. So I started the newsletter, and five years later, there's the book. Going back to your point about giving advice, I've noticed that for those five years, not many people were talking about being single and how much it costs. But now, in the last two years, this might be my algorithm, but I'm also seeing it in the media. There's much more conversation about how much it costs to be single.
主持人: 他们都在说些什么?具体什么东西更贵?
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Host: What are they saying? What specifically costs more?
Renee Sylvestre-Williams: 哦,那么,住房负担能力,住房负担能力,这在世界各地任何主要城市都是一个大话题,对吧?是的,你可以和室友一起住,但如果你不想,你就要承担房租,承担抵押贷款的费用。安大略省(Ontario) 没有租金保护。我记得是在 2018 年 11 月 18 日或 15 日之后。所以,当你不知道房租每年会涨多少,尤其是你的工资没有以同样的速度增长时,就很难规划你的开支。
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Renee Sylvestre-Williams: Oh, well, housing affordability. Housing affordability is the big topic everywhere in any major city across the globe, right? Yes, you can live with roommates, but if you don't want to, you're shouldering rent, you're shouldering mortgage costs. There's no rental protection in Ontario after, I want to say, November 18th or 15th, 2018. So it's really difficult to plan your spending when you don't know how much your rent is going to go up year to year, especially if your salary doesn't go up by the same amount.
数据分析:单身成本构成
主持人: 我想展示一些数据。这是 Erin Kelly 来自 Advanced Symbolics 的信息。她让她的 AI 投票系统 Polly 对此主题进行了一些研究,她发现 59% 的人认为住房成本最高。这并不奇怪。然后是税收占 24%,食品支出占 13%,休闲占 3%,交通占 1.5%。这让你感到惊讶吗?
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Host: I want to pull up some data. This is information from Erin Kelly of Advanced Symbolics. She had her AI pollster, Polly, do some research on this topic, and she found that 59% say housing is the highest cost. No surprise there. Then taxes at 24%, food expenses next at 13%, leisure at 3%, and transportation at 1.5%. Does this surprise you?
Renee Sylvestre-Williams: 没有。住房方面,就像我们刚才谈到的,这并不让我惊讶。现在一个一居室的租金大约在 18 到 22 之间,具体取决于你在哪里。显而易见,温哥华 和 多伦多 是最贵的。食品支出预计今年还会上涨 5% 到 6%。要相对健康地饮食需要花费很多钱。尤其是现在,由于持续的抵制,很多地方不再从美国进口食品。所以你只能寻找更远的地方,然后还有交通成本。我们知道 中东 现在正在发生什么,而且汽油价格已经开始上涨。没错。绝对是。所以这些研究结果没有一个让我感到惊讶。
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Renee Sylvestre-Williams: It does not. The housing thing, as we just talked about, that does not surprise me. The cost of a one-bedroom is now ballpark between 18 and 22, depending on where you go. Obviously Vancouver and Toronto are the most expensive. Food costs are predicted to go up another 5 to 6% this year, right? And it costs a lot to eat relatively healthy. Especially now that a lot of places are not bringing in food from the US because of the ongoing boycott. So you're looking further abroad, and then there are transportation costs. We know what's happening right now in the Middle East, and gas prices have already started going up. That's correct. Absolutely. So none of that research surprises me.
单身是选择还是现实?
主持人: 我很好奇。你知道,当我们谈论一个人的单身成本时,有些人,无论是出于选择还是因为环境,当然,如果丧偶或离婚等等。有些人说单身是一种选择。所以,也许这确实带有一定的溢价。你对此怎么说?
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Host: I'm curious. You know, there are going to be some people when we talk about the cost of what it is to be a single person, whether it's by choice or not circumstances. Of course, if you are widowed or divorced, all that. Some people say that being single is a choice. And so with that, perhaps it does come with a premium. What do you say to that?
Renee Sylvestre-Williams: 是的,但有伴侣也是一种选择。我的意思是,选择是多方面的,但我会反对“单身是一种选择”的说法,因为对一些人来说,事实并非如此。我们不知道一个人生活中会发生什么,导致他们选择单身,对吧?我们不知道。我永远不想去猜测,因为我们不知道一个人从童年到现在的生活经历。也许他们经历了一场糟糕的离婚。也许他们丧偶了。也许发生了什么可怕的事情。但问题是,你不应该因为一个决定而在经济上受到惩罚,对吧?就像 RBC 的一项研究发现,单身人士的房租往往会高出约 66%,因为你不用分摊这些硬性成本。所以我对此持保留意见。
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Renee Sylvestre-Williams: Yeah, but also being partnered up is also a choice. I mean, there's choices around the way, but I will push back on being single as being a choice because for some people it isn't. We don't know what happens in a person's life to make them decide to be single, right? We don't know. And I would not I would never want to speculate on that, because we don't know what's happened in a person's life from childhood up. Maybe they've gone through a bad divorce. Maybe they were widowed. Maybe it was something terrible. But the thing is, is you shouldn't be financially penalized for making a decision, right? Like there was a RBC study that found that single people tend to be about 66% more rent wise, because you're not splitting those hard costs. So I would push back on that.
税收差异:单身者的劣势
主持人: 好的,我们回到 Erin Kelly 收集的数据,关于税收。为什么它会成为单身者的一个症结所在?
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Host: Well, let's go back to that. The data that Erin Kelly had pulled out their taxation. Why is it a sticking point for singles?
Renee Sylvestre-Williams: 我认为当你年龄增长,计划退休时,很多这都与退休后有关,有收入分割(income splitting),对吧?高收入的配偶或伴侣可以将你们的收入分开,这理论上可以将你们的税级降低。单身人士,尤其是高收入的单身人士,没有这个选择。即使他们最大化了所有的税收减免,他们仍然无法获得这种优势,因为他们是经济上的家庭单位。即使他们和兄弟姐妹住在一起,他们仍然不被视为与同居伴侣或已婚人士相同的经济家庭单位。
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Renee Sylvestre-Williams: I think as you get older and you're planning for retirement, and a lot of this has to do sort of post-retirement, there's income splitting, right? Which the higher earning spouse or partner can, you can split your income, which theoretically drops you down into different tax bracket. A single person, especially somebody a higher a higher earning single person doesn't have that option. And even if they maximize all their tax deductions, they still don't get that advantage right, because they are the economic household unit. Even if they live with a sibling, they're still not considered the same economic household unit as somebody whose common law or somebody who's married.
收入税的历史与演变
主持人: 我们可以来一段历史课吗?因为在你的书中,你谈到了所得税。如果我们回到第一次世界大战,所得税的初衷和理念可能更偏向于单身人士。
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Host: Can we do a little history lesson a little bit? Because in your book you talk about sort of income tax. If we go back to the First World War, the perception in the idea of income tax was actually geared perhaps more to single people.
Renee Sylvestre-Williams: 个人。
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Renee Sylvestre-Williams: The individual.
主持人: 个人,不是。
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Host: The individual, not.
Renee Sylvestre-Williams: 那么多。
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Renee Sylvestre-Williams: So much.
主持人: 是的。所以,当他们着手制定《所得税法》(Income Tax Act)时,他们是基于个人基础来看待的。对。所以他们不会特别关注夫妻。现在我们都单独报税。只是有一些好处,你知道,有利于夫妻。对。所以,让我把这一点说清楚。但如果我没记错的话,当时的官方反对派提出了一些反对意见,因为那时主要是男性在工作。对,对。你知道,女性进入劳动力市场是在第二次世界大战期间,然后她们在那之后离开了劳动力市场。嗯,绝大多数,不是所有人都那样。然后,当然,越来越多的人进入劳动力市场。并且请记住,税法确实在变化,因为在 2000 年初,同性伴侣,无论他们是注册伴侣还是已婚,也被视为一个经济家庭单位。所以,有改变的可能性,我不知道它会是什么样子,深度会如何,但我确实认为存在改变的机会,以及你如何重新定义一个经济家庭单位。
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Host: Yeah. So when they were looking at putting, putting together the Income Tax Act, which is what we have, they were looking at it on an individual basis. Right. So they weren't going to specifically focus on couples. Right now we do all file our taxes individually. There are just some benefits that, you know, advantage couples. Right. So let me just make that really clear. But if I recall correctly, there was some pushback from the official opposition because at the time it was majority men who were working. Right, right. You know, women went into the workforce in World War II, and then they came out of the workforce after that. Well, majority, not everybody. And then, of course, more and more into the workforce. And keep in mind the tax the tax code does change because it was in the early 2000 where gay couples, whether they were partnered or married, were Recognized as an economic household unit as well. So there are there's possibility for change, what that looks like and how deep it will go, I don't know, but I do think there are opportunities for change there and how you redefine an economic household unit.
住房挑战:购房与租房
主持人: 好的。我想回到住房问题。是的。单身人士在住房方面是如何吃亏的?你显然提到了租金和房租分摊,但还有其他方面吗?你知道,当我们谈论抵押贷款时,这非常具有挑战性……
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Host: All right. I want to go back to housing. Yes. How are singles being short changed when it comes to housing? You obviously talk about rent and rent splitting, but are there other you know, when we talk about a mortgage quite challenging just.
Renee Sylvestre-Williams: 在这个……
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Renee Sylvestre-Williams: In this.
主持人: ...在我们今天的处境下。
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Host: ...Where we are today.
Renee Sylvestre-Williams: 但是的。所以,如果你是一个高收入的单身人士,你可能更有机会获得首付。但如今,你需要最低双收入,可能还需要家人的钱。家庭成员,“妈妈爸爸银行”,或者,你知道,一笔金钱赠与,才能在全国 6 到 7 个主要城市买到东西。所以,在经济上,对于单身人士来说,尤其是那些可能不是国家收入排名前 20% 或前 15% 的人来说,购买房产可能更加困难。
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Renee Sylvestre-Williams: But yes. So if you are a high earning single, you probably have a better chance of qualifying for a down payment. But these days you need a minimum two income and possibly money from family. Family member, the bank of mom and dad, or, you know, a gift, a monetary gift to afford something, especially in the, you know, 6 or 7 major cities across the country. So financially, it can be more difficult for single person, especially somebody who may not be in the top 20 or top 15% of income earners in the country to buy a place.
单身人士的财务与生活建议
主持人: 好的。我想给人们一些解决方案,一些建议。在保护自己方面,你们能给出三个最重要的建议吗?你知道,关于为未来储蓄。单身人士可以做什么?
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Host: All right. I want to give some people some solutions, some advice. What are some top three. Give me top three tips in terms of protecting themselves. You know, in terms of savings for the future. What can someone do if they are single?
Renee Sylvestre-Williams: 嗯,我喜欢这么说,我不会告诉人们去制定预算。我觉得人们已经知道了,并且在做了。所以我觉得让我说“去预算”有点居高临下。你不能通过预算来摆脱金融危机,好吧?不是住房危机。我的意思是,但大致了解你在财务上的状况。就像,你不必知道每一分钱的去向,但要对你现在的位置和你想去的地方有一个大致的了解。我还会说第二件事,那就是积极参与你的社区。
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Renee Sylvestre-Williams: Well, I like to say I'm not going to tell people to budget. I feel like people already know that and they're doing it. So it feels a little condescending for me to say, go budget. You can budget your way out of a financial crisis, okay? Not a housing crisis. My bad. But kind of just know where you are financially. Like, you don't have to know what every single dollar is doing, but kind of a general picture of where you are and where you want to be. And I would say the second thing I would say is get involved in your community.
主持人: 这是什么意思?
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Host: What does that mean?
Renee Sylvestre-Williams: 意思是我认为,拥有一个强大的社区支持对你来说,尤其是在你单身的时候,更加重要。所以,我相信是第二章或第三章,我谈到了拥有一个团队在你身边,所以显然是朋友和家人,但也有像拥有一个好的劳动法律师。对吧?现在有很多裁员。拥有一名好的劳动法律师,可以让你获得两周的遣散费和 12 周的遣散费之间的区别。我的意思是,这在我十几年前被裁员时发生在我身上。第三件事,我想说,就是更多地参与政治。比如支持那些正在寻找或有具体想法来解决住房负担能力问题的政治家,让城市更容易生活,无论是作为单身人士还是作为家庭。对?因为有些事情是个体本身无法解决的。这可能需要一群人聚集在一起,支持政治行动。
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Renee Sylvestre-Williams: It means, I think, having a strong community around you, especially when you're single, is even more important. So I believe it was chapter 2 or 3 where I talk about having a team around you, so obviously friends and family, but also things like having a good employment lawyer. Right? There's a lot of layoffs happening right now. Having a good employment lawyer can be the difference between getting two weeks severance and 12 and 12 week severance that, I mean, that happened to me when I got laid off about a decade ago. And the third thing, and this one is, I would say, get more politically active, like support politicians that are looking or have concrete ideas about how to address housing affordability, how to make it easier to live in a city, whether as a single person or as a family. Right? Because there are just some things that cannot be solved by the individual in and of itself. It takes perhaps a whole bunch of people getting together and supporting political action.
主持人: Renee,我们就谈到这里。感谢你的时间和见解,以及你的热情。
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Host: Renee, we are going to leave it there. I appreciate your time, your insights and your passion.
Renee Sylvestre-Williams: 当然。
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Renee Sylvestre-Williams: Of course.
主持人: 非常感谢。
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Host: Thank you so much.