如何将污染转化为玩具、牙膏及更多产品:加速低碳解决方案 TED 2025-11-12

如何将污染转化为玩具、牙膏及更多产品:加速低碳解决方案

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科学、工程与商业:加速低碳转型

人类使用酒精已有数千年历史。

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Humans have been using alcohol for thousands of years.

但我们何时才真正清醒地理解它呢?
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But when did we understand it soberly?

直到18世纪,科学家们才首次发现了酒精的化学式:C2H5OH。
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It wasn't until the 1700s that scientists first discovered the formula of alcohol: C2H5OH.

至此,酒精终于有了它的专业“领英档案”,名为**乙醇**(Ethanol: 一种有机化合物,广泛用作燃料、溶剂和化学原料),并开始作为一种重要的化学品发挥作用。
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That's alcohol, finally got its professional LinkedIn profile called ethanol, and started working as an important chemical.

此后,工程和商业的进步使得乙醇得以大规模生产,如今它已是一个价值1140亿美元的产业。
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Advances in engineering and business have since enabled large-scale production of ethanol, and today it is a 114 billion-dollar industry.

我们将其用于化妆品、时尚、医药、食品,当然还有饮料。
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We use it in cosmetics, in fashion, in medicine, in food and obviously, beverages.

如今,它作为燃料和一些低碳产业的原材料,变得更加重要。
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And it's even more relevant today as fuel and raw material for some of the low-carbon industries.

那么,我为什么要告诉你们关于酒精的故事呢?
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So why am I telling you about alcohol?

因为它很好地说明了科学、工程和商业如何共同改变世界。
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Because it is a good example of how science, engineering and business work together to change the world.

但实际上,乙醇花了200多年才做到这一点。
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But it actually took ethanol more than 200 years to do so.

我们根本不能等那么久来应对气候挑战。
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We simply couldn't wait that long to tackle our climate challenge.

我们迫切需要加快和扩大低碳解决方案的规模。
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We urgently need to speed up and scale up low-carbon solutions.

我是徐浩,负责腾讯的气候变化倡议。
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So my name is Xu Hao and I lead Tencent's climate change initiatives.

我们是一家主要的中国科技公司,产品涵盖社交媒体、视频游戏和云服务。
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We're a major Chinese tech company with products in social media, video games and cloud services.

我们也关心气候变化。
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And we also care about climate change.

这不仅仅局限于数据中心效率或可再生能源采购,尽管这些也很重要。
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It's not just limited to data center efficiency or sourcing of renewable energy, as important as that is.

我的同事和我一直在探索如何为加速低碳技术创新做出贡献。
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My colleagues and I have been working to explore how we could contribute to the acceleration of low-carbon technology innovations.

这就是我们启动CarbonX项目的原因。
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That's why we launched CarbonX Program.

三年过去了,我们实际上比以往任何时候都更加乐观。
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And three years in, we are actually more optimistic than ever.

为什么?
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Why?

因为我们觉得正确的答案并不复杂。
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Because we felt the right answer is not so complicated.

我们已经在科学、工程和商业领域拥有大量创新,而进一步加速这一过程的秘诀也很简单:同时进行所有这些。
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We already have lots of innovation in science, in engineering and business, and the secret to further accelerate the process is also simple: just do them all at once.

让我进一步解释。
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Let me further explain.

科学突破:将二氧化碳转化为宝贵资源

首先,我们经济脱碳所需的大多数科学发现已经完成。

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First, most of the scientific discoveries needed to decarbonize our economy have already been made.

真的,今天我们通过太阳能和风能发电,我们利用化学或物理学储存能量。
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Really, today we generate electricity from solar and wind, we store energy using chemistry or physics.

我们将二氧化碳转化为各种化学品。
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We turn carbon dioxide into all kinds of chemicals.

核聚变也即将实现。
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And nuclear fusion is also on the horizon.

好了,已经节省了100年。
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Alright, 100 years already saved.

让我给你们一个具体的例子。
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Let me give you a specific example.

**CRISPR**(Clustered Regularly Interspaced Short Palindromic Repeats: 一种基因编辑技术,常被称为“基因剪刀”)在制药行业中广为人知。
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CRISPR is a genetic scissor that's well-known in the pharmaceutical industry.

他们用它来编辑基因代码,以寻找疾病的治疗方法和新药。
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They use it to edit genetic code to find cures for diseases and new drugs.

但它也可以应用于碳。
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But it can be applied to carbon too.

以中国初创公司Gasgene为例。
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Take Gasgene, a Chinese startup.

他们实际上将CRISPR应用于一种名为梭状芽孢杆菌的细菌,这样这些小家伙就可以以二氧化碳为食并生产**丁醇**(Butanol: 一种有机化合物,可用作溶剂、燃料或生产其他化学品)。
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They actually apply CRISPR to a certain bacteria called Clostridium, so that these little guys can actually feed on carbon dioxide and produce butanol.

那么丁醇为什么重要呢?
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So why does butanol matter?

因为丁醇与我们的老朋友乙醇一起,可以生产**乙二醇**(Ethylene Glycol: 一种有机化合物,常用作防冻剂和聚酯纤维的原料)、**聚乙烯**(Polyethylene: 一种常见的塑料,用于制造包装、容器等)、**聚丙烯**(Polypropylene: 一种热塑性聚合物,用于制造容器、汽车零件等)、**乙酸丁酯**(Butyl Acetate: 一种有机化合物,常用作溶剂和香料)、**邻苯二甲酸二丁酯**(Dibutyl Phthalate: 一种增塑剂,用于增加塑料的柔韧性)、**柠檬酸三丁酯**(Tributyl Citrate: 一种无毒增塑剂,用于食品包装和医疗产品)等等。
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Because together with our old friend ethanol as well as butanol, we actually get ethylene glycol, polyethylene, polypropylene, butyl acetate, dibutyl phthalate, tributyl citrate and many more.

有点迷茫,对吧?
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A bit lost, right?

这些化学品实际上用于油漆、衣服、玩具、水瓶、家具,不胜枚举。
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These chemicals are actually used in paint, clothes, toys, water bottles, furniture, and the list goes on and on and on.

它们对日常生活至关重要,但今天都由化石燃料制成。
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Essential to everyday life, but all made up out of fossil fuel today.

有了梭状芽孢杆菌,我们就有可能用二氧化碳而不是化石燃料来制造所有这些产品。
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With Clostridium, we could potentially make all of them using carbon dioxide instead.

这真是伟大的科学。
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It's really great science.

所以,阻碍我们的不是科学。
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So it's not the science holding us up.

工程创新:从实验室到大规模生产

那么工程呢?

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What about engineering?

非常重要,但却不那么光鲜。
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Very important, but unglamorous.

工程也需要大量的创新。
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Well, engineering requires lots of innovation, too.

因为我们必须将实验室试管中的成功复制,并以更大的规模扩大生产,从克到千克,再到吨,乃至数百万吨。
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Because we have to replicate a success in the laboratory test tubes and scale it up in a much, much bigger way, from grams to kilograms to tons to millions of tons.

最终建成一个大型工厂。
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Eventually a big factory.

为此,工程师们经常面临两个挑战。
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To do that, engineers often face two challenges.

首先,如何更快、更便宜地建造工厂。
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First, how to build a factory faster and cheaper.

然后,如何有效地运营它。
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And then, how to operate it effectively.

假设我们要建造一个每年生产2万吨清洁化学品的工厂,利用二氧化碳。
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Let's say we want to build a plant that produces 20,000 tons of clean chemical using carbon dioxide.

我们是建造一个大型反应器,还是几个小型反应器?
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Do we build one big reactor or a few smaller ones?

这就是工艺工程师发挥作用的地方。
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This is where the process engineers come in.

这些反应器需要多大的压力?
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How much pressure is needed in these reactors?

气体或液体需要多大的流速才能平衡并实现最有效的生产?
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What are the flow rates needed for the gases or the liquids so that they are balanced and the production is most effective?

这样的设施将占用多少土地?
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How much land such a facility will occupy.

它如何与现有工厂整合?
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How does it integrate with the existing factory?

也许最重要的是,我们如何才能更快、更便宜地建造这样的工厂?
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And probably most importantly, how can we build such a plant faster and cheaper?

所有这些考虑因素都决定了我们将使用的围栏、泵、压缩机、反应器和所有其他部件,以及我们是否可以使用现成的标准化设备。
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Well, all of these considerations determine the fence, pumps, compressors, reactors and all the other parts we will use and whether we could use off-the-shelf standardized equipment.

否则,如果我们必须设计新颖的部件,成本会高得多,而且通常需要更长时间。
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Because otherwise, if we have to design novel parts, it will be much more expensive and often takes much longer.

这就是建造大型工厂时的工程创新。
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So this is what engineering innovation looks like when it comes to building a big factory.

这几乎就像挑选乐高积木来建造你自己设计的精美模型。
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So it’s almost like picking up pieces of LEGO blocks to build a beautiful model of your own design.

创造力和纪律性都需要同时具备。
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Both creativity and discipline are needed at the same time.

然后是运营效率。
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Then it comes [to] operational efficiency.

Feynman Dynamics是另一家初创公司,他们将二氧化碳和绿色氢结合起来制造绿色碳氢化合物,并生产**可持续航空燃料**(Sustainable Aviation Fuel, SAF: 由非石油来源制成的航空燃料,旨在减少碳排放),这有望使我们的航班更清洁。
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Feynman Dynamics is another start-up, they actually combine carbon dioxide and green hydrogen to make green hydrocarbons and produce sustainable aviation fuel, or SAF that could potentially clean up our flights.

关键在于一种能高效将二氧化碳转化为一氧化碳的催化剂。
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So the key is actually a catalyst that can efficiently convert carbon dioxide into carbon monoxide.

这里的工程挑战是如何以更大的产量制造出这种高质量的催化剂。
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And the engineering challenge here is how to manufacture such a high-quality catalyst at much bigger volume.

这个过程几乎就像制作水果冰沙。
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So the process is almost like making a fruit smoothie.

你需要恰到好处地混合水果才能得到美味的饮料。
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You need to blend fruits just right to get a delicious drink.

但当你尝试制作更大批量的产品时,有时搅拌机过热,或者水果混合不均匀,这会影响我们饮料的味道。
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But when you try to make much bigger batches, sometimes the blender gets too hot or the fruit doesn't mix well and that will jeopardize the taste of our drink.

为了应对这一挑战,Feynman Dynamics的工程师们借鉴了制药化学的实践。
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To tackle this challenge, engineers at Feynman Dynamics actually borrowed practice from pharmaceutical chemistry.

他们设计了一种特殊的告诉混合器,能让化学品以非常高的速度通过管道,然后将成品循环回主反应器,以制造高质量的催化剂。
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They designed a special high-speed mixer that passes the chemicals at really high velocity in a tube and then circulates back the finished product, back to the main reactor to make high-quality catalyst.

这几乎就像你先预先混合牛油果和苹果,然后再将它们放回大型搅拌机中,以获得最终的饮品。
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It's almost like your pre-planned avocados and apples first, and then put them back into the big blender to get the ultimate drink.

这些看似微小的工程步骤实际上使Feynman Dynamics能够以工业规模生产他们的催化剂。
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So these rather small engineering steps actually enabled Feynman Dynamics to produce their catalysts at industrial scale.

如今,可持续航空燃料(SAF)仍然比传统航空燃料贵五倍多,但有了像这样的许多创新以及规模化生产,我相信SAF在十年内就能在成本上超越传统航空燃料。
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So today, SAF is still more than five times more expensive than conventional jet fuel, but with lots of innovation like this and also the production at scale, I believe SAF can beat jet fuel in cost within ten years' time.

(掌声)
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(Applause)

商业模式:实现盈利与市场潜力

工程师们正在努力工作,但商业呢?

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So the engineers are hard at work, but what about business?

因为商业关乎价格、成本、市场和盈利能力。
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Because business is all about price, cost, market and profitability.

为了将碳排放量减少到**吉吨**(Gigaton: 能量单位,等于十亿焦耳)的规模,初创公司必须将他们的科学和工程创新转化为有利可图的商业项目。
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And in order to reduce carbon emissions in the scale of gigatons, start-ups must turn their science and engineering innovation into profitable ventures.

但我们在这里也有很多好消息。
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But we got plenty of good news here too.

有些技术正接近与化石燃料替代品成本相同,甚至更低的时刻,有时甚至不需要碳定价。
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Some of the technologies are approaching the moment where they cost the same, or even less than the fossil fuel alternative, sometimes without a carbon price.

Yuanchu是一家利用二氧化碳制造**碳酸钙**(Calcium Carbonate: 一种常见的无机化合物,广泛用于造纸、塑料、涂料和建筑材料)的初创公司。
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Yuanchu is a start-up that makes calcium carbonate out of carbon dioxide.

碳酸钙听起来可能也很陌生,但这些白色粉末实际上存在于我们的日常生活中,从纸张到牙膏,从洗衣粉到汽车轮胎。
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So calcium carbonate may also sound unfamiliar, but these white powders are actually in our everyday life, from paper to toothpaste to washing powders to car tires.

通过利用生物质或炼钢工业中剩余的钙,Yuanchu实际上可以比传统方法更便宜地生产高质量的碳酸钙,传统方法是从地下开采石灰石并燃烧大量化石燃料来制造。
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By using leftover calcium from biomass or the steelmaking industry, Yuanchu can actually produce high-quality calcium carbonate cheaper than the conventional method, which is digging limestone out of the ground and burning lots of fossil fuel to make it.

真是巨大的绿色折扣,对吧?
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Great green discount, right?

有时,商业完全取决于最终市场的规模。
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Then sometimes business is all about the size of the eventual market.

Moguang是另一家初创公司,他们开发了一种真正具有开创性的新材料,称为**辐射制冷**(Radiative Cooling: 一种通过将热量以红外辐射形式散发到外太空来降低物体温度的技术)材料。
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Moguang is another start-up that actually developed this really groundbreaking new material called radioactive cooling.

这种材料不仅能反射93%的太阳辐射,还能通过将热量辐射回外太空,利用特定波长的冷却窗口实现额外的冷却。
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So this material not only reflects 93 percent of sun radiation back, it could achieve additional cooling by radiating the heat back to outer space, leveraging certain wavelengths’ cooling window.

猜猜什么需要冷却?
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Guess what requires cooling?

融化的冰川。
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Melting glaciers.

这就是我们与Moguang在大古冰川(青藏高原附近濒危冰川之一)启动试点项目的原因。
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That’s why we launched a pilot project with Moguang in Dagu glacier, one of the endangered glaciers near Tibetan Plateau.

在过去的三年里,冰川融化速度减缓了高达80%。
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Over the past three years, the melting has slowed down by as much as 80 percent.

但是——
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But --

(掌声)
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(Applause)

但这个项目本身并不是一门生意。
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But the project itself is actually not a business.

猜猜它是什么?
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Guess what it is.

任何需要冷却的服务。
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Any service that requires cooling.

所以,这包括你的手机、建筑物的玻璃幕墙或数据中心。
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So that's your mobile phone, glass wall of a building or data centers.

好消息是,Moguang不仅用这种材料覆盖了冰川,他们已经将他们的许多材料整合到数十万部手机和运动相机中,并迅速扩展到其他产品。
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So the great news is not only Moguang covered [the] glacier with this material, they already integrated many of their material into hundreds of thousands of mobile phones and sports cameras and expanding to other products very quickly.

因此,确实存在巨大的市场潜力。
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So there is truly huge market potential.

协同加速:对清洁未来的乐观展望

好了,科学已经就位,工程师们正在努力工作,商业模式也正在扩大规模。

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Alright, so the science is here, the engineers are hard at work and the business models are scaling up.

那么我们最后一个问题是,我们能否进一步加速?
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So our final question is, can we further accelerate?

当然可以。
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Of course we can.

只需将科学家、行业专家和商界人士聚集在同一个房间里,让他们从一开始就同时思考所有棘手的问题。
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Simply by bringing together scientists, industry experts and business people in the same room, so they start thinking about all the tough questions from the very beginning, at the same time.

科学家可能会问:“捕获一吨二氧化碳需要多少**吉焦耳**(Gigajoule: 能量单位,等于十亿焦耳)的能量?”
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So the scientists will probably ask "How much gigajoule of energy is required to capture one ton of carbon dioxide?"

行业专家会问:“你的技术如何帮助我的行业脱碳,它如何适应我的工厂?”
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The industry experts will ask, "How does your technology help me decarbonize my industry and how does it fit into my factory?"

投资者可能会问:“你未来五年将业务增长100倍并上市的计划是什么?”
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And the investor will probably ask, "What's your plan to grow your business by 100 times in the next five years and to go public?"

这几乎就是CarbonX项目发生的情况。
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This is almost exactly what happened at CarbonX Program.

可以说,这种富有成效的对话、激烈的辩论,有时甚至是真正的分歧,可能具有挑战性,但它确实有助于加速这一过程,因为它让每个人同时思考所有问题。
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Let's just say this productive dialogue, heated debate, sometimes really disagreement can be challenging, but it really helps speed up the process because it gets everybody to thinking about everything at the same time.

而不是像酒精那样等待200年。
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Not waiting 200 years like alcohol.

(笑声)
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(Laughter)

现在还记得Gasgene和那些可爱的梭状芽孢杆菌吗?
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Now remember Gasgene and those cute Clostridium.

我们最近启动了一个清洁化学品联盟,汇集了消费品牌、大型化工公司以及像Gasgene或Yuanchu这样的初创公司,试图用二氧化碳制造一切。
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We recently launched a clean chemical consortium that brings consumer brands, big chemical companies and start-ups like Gasgene or Yuanchu, to try to make everything out of carbon dioxide.

这也是同时在科学、工程和商业方面努力。
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That's also working on science, engineering and business all at once.

所以现在,希望大家明白为什么我觉得我们有充分的理由保持乐观。
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So by now, hopefully you guys understand why I felt we should [have] every reason to be really optimistic.

因为我们已经拥有大量的科学发现、工程创新和商业模式,所以我们应该受到启发,去想象一个实现**净零排放**(Net Zero: 指通过减少温室气体排放并抵消剩余排放,使温室气体排放量与清除量达到平衡)和更清洁未来的世界。
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Because we already have plenty of scientific discovery, engineering innovation and business models so that we should be inspired to imagine a world with net zero and cleaner future.

很可能比人工智能今天能为我们创造的更好。
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Most likely much better than what AI can generate for us today.

(笑声)
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(Laughter)

因此,我绝对沉醉于一个更美好、更清洁的未来的可能性。
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Therefore, I'm definitely drunk on the possibility of a better and cleaner future.

大家干杯,谢谢。
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Cheers, everyone, thank you.

(欢呼和掌声)
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(Cheers and applause)

文中提及的人物和组织

公司/组织: Tencent, TED

产品/模型: CRISPR