抗议爆发与政府镇压
Rachel Abrams: 过去一周,大规模抗议爆发于伊朗各地,呼吁经济改革和结束统治。
Original English
Rachel Abrams: over the past week. Massive protests have erupted across Iran, calling for economic reform and an end to the regime.
Rachel Abrams: 近日,政府对示威者的镇压情况逐渐清晰,引发了全球谴责。
Original English
Rachel Abrams: In recent days, a full picture of the government's crackdown on the protesters has emerged, garnering worldwide condemnation.
Speaker: 我们不希望看到伊朗发生的事情发生。
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Speaker: We don't want to see what's happening in Iran happen.
President Trump: 有人开始杀害数千人,现在你们告诉我关于绞刑的事情,我们会看看这对他们来说会怎么样。这不会有好结果。
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President Trump: One thing, when they start killing thousands of people and now you're telling me about hanging, we'll see how that works out for them. It's not going to work out good.
节目介绍与嘉宾
Rachel Abrams: 欢迎收听《纽约时报》的Daily节目。我是Rachel Abrams。今天,我的同事Farnaz Fihi将分析推动抗议者的原因,以及为什么伊朗政权从未如此接近崩溃。
Original English
Rachel Abrams: From the New York Times, I'm Rachel Abrams and this is the Daily. Today, my colleague Farnaz Fihi on what's driving the protesters and why the Iranian regime has never been closer to collapse.
Rachel Abrams: 今天是1月14日,星期三。Fern,非常感谢您加入我们。
Original English
Rachel Abrams: It's Wednesday, January 14th. Fern, thank you so much for joining us.
Farnaz Fihi: 谢谢邀请。您在伊朗报道了几十年,在这些重大动荡时刻,我们都会向您寻求帮助。现在,我们正在与您通话,时间是下午1点30分。我想请您先描述一下目前现场的情况。
Original English
Farnaz Fihi: Thank you for having me. Fernas, you have been covering Iran for decades and we at the Daily turn to you during these huge moments of disruptions, eruptions, which is what it feels like we are in right now in Iran. We're talking to you Tuesday afternoon at about 1:30 p.m. And I'd like for you to start off by characterizing what we are seeing on the ground.
全国性抗议与外部威胁
Farnaz Fihi: 过去一周,我们看到全国范围内爆发抗议活动,遍布大大小小的城市,不同的人群都参与其中,他们只有一个共同的要求,那就是结束伊斯兰共和国的统治。
Original English
Farnaz Fihi: For the past week, we've seen nationwide protests in cities big and small, across different demographics erupt all across Iran with a singular demand for the end of the Islamic Republic's rule.
Farnaz Fihi: 这也伴随着来自美国和以色列的外部威胁,以及经济的崩溃,这给政府带来了非常独特的挑战。
Original English
Farnaz Fihi: And this is coupled with an external threat from the United States and Israel.
Farnaz Fihi: 但我们同时也看到政府正在以残酷的方式回应这些抗议活动,暴力镇压正在展开,数千人被杀害和受伤,尸体堆积在太平间和墓地,关于这些杀戮的报告正在流传出来。
Original English
Farnaz Fihi: Uh that there might be a military strike on Iran and an economy that's in tail spin which is creating a very unique and difficult challenge for the government because it's facing a kind of a perfect storm. But we're also seeing the government brutally responding to these protests and violent crackdown unfolding with thousands of people killed and injured and bodies are piling up at the morg and at the cemetery as reports of the killings trickle out.
Rachel Abrams: 那么,是什么推动了人们走上街头?
Original English
Rachel Abrams: So, I want to start with the protests themselves and what's going on inside the country. Can you just talk a little bit about what's driving people to the streets?
Farnaz Fihi: 人们已经受够了,Rachel。他们觉得他们没有什么可失去的。他们认为这个政府要么不愿意,要么无能为力,无法带来人们想要的生活中的改变,从社会自由到政治自由,当然还有经济,经济是推动这些抗议活动的主要因素。
Original English
Farnaz Fihi: People are just fed up, Rachel. They feel like they've got nothing to lose. That this government is either unwilling or incapable of bringing the kind of change that people want to see in their lives. ranging from social freedom to political freedom and of course the economy which is fueling these protests.
经济困境与抗议爆发
Farnaz Fihi: 我们必须记住,伊朗的经济已经多年处于困境。特朗普总统在2018年退出伊朗与世界大国之间的核协议后,对伊朗实施了制裁,目标是其石油收入和国际银行体系。
Original English
Farnaz Fihi: Now we have to remember that Iran's economy has been in shambles for years. President Trump reimposed sanctions on Iran targeting its oil revenues and international banking structures in 2018 when he exited the nuclear deal between Iran and world powers.
Farnaz Fihi: 在秋季,联合国安理会通过一种被称为“快速反应”的机制,重新对伊朗实施了联合国制裁,这与欧洲和美国在核计划问题上与伊朗的僵局有关。
Original English
Farnaz Fihi: In the fall, the United Nations Security Council re-imposed UN sanctions on Iran through a mechanism known as snapback related to Iran standoff with Europeans in the United States over the nuclear program.
Farnaz Fihi: 从那时起,货币开始进一步下跌。但在12月28日,里亚尔兑美元汇率跌至历史最低点,这引发了一波愤怒,因为货币自由落体直接影响到通货膨胀和日常商品的价格,包括食品。
Original English
Farnaz Fihi: And from then the currency started falling even further than it had before. But in December, on December 28th, the real plunged to an all-time low against the US dollar and it sort of unleashed this wave of anger because when the currency free falls, it has a direct impact on inflation and on the prices of everyday goods, including food items.
Farnaz Fihi: 目前通货膨胀率约为60%。日常商品的价格,如食用油、大米、鸡蛋等,一夜之间翻了两三倍。
Original English
Farnaz Fihi: Inflation is now around 60%. Prices of everyday goods such as cooking oil, rice, eggs, like staples of an Iranian grocery basket suddenly tripled overnight.
Farnaz Fihi: 这波抗议活动始于德黑兰的集市,集市是伊朗经济的脉搏。集市相当于这里的股市,当集市商人罢工时,它真的可以使经济瘫痪。集市商人罢工的原因是里亚尔对美元的汇率暴跌,价格波动剧烈,他们面临着巨大的不稳定。
Original English
Farnaz Fihi: So this wave of protest that we're seeing now started in Thran's bazar, which is really the pulse of Iran's economy. The bazar is the equivalent of the stock market here, right? So when the bazaris go on strike it really can paralyze the economy. And the reason the bazaris went on strike was because the real was plunging against the dollar. The prices were fluctuating and they were facing too much instability.
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