移民政策回顾
Michael: 本周,《每日》节目将重温今年我们最喜欢的几期节目,回顾它们播出后发生的变化。今天,我们回到总统特朗普对移民进行广泛而历史性的严厉打击这一话题。
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Michael: Hey, it's Michael. All this week, The Daily is revisiting some of our favorite episodes of the year, listening back and hearing what's happened in the time since they first ran. Today, we return to the subject of President Trump's broad and historic crackdown on immigration.
Michael: 为了达到他承诺的遣返数字,特朗普越来越多地寻求遣返那些没有犯罪记录的人。这些人几十年前来到美国,在美国建立了生活、事业和家庭。本报记者杰西卡·钟通过一位女儿的视角,讲述了一个今年被拘留的男人的故事。
Original English
Michael: To reach his promised deportation numbers, Trump increasingly sought to deport those without a criminal record. Those who came to the US decades ago and who have established lives, careers, and family in this country. Daily producer Jessica Chung told the story of one such man who was detained this year through the eyes of his daughter.
Isa: 是12月30日,星期二。当时我在上课,正准备把所有的作业交给老师。所以我已经开始慢慢收拾东西,这时我接到了我妈妈的电话。[音乐] 她听起来很沮丧。她说话时,好像在努力忍住哭泣,但又在极力压抑。
Original English
Isa: It's Tuesday, December 30th. So, I was in class. I was about to turn in all my work to the teacher. So, I was already starting to pack up my things slowly and I got a call from my mom. [music] She seemed very down. And she was like, it's like when you hear somebody, they're trying not to cry, but like they're really like holding it in.
Isa: 我能听出她声音里的异样,那时我开始有点担心了。她告诉我,“你爸爸被拘留了”。然后你就会开始想象最糟糕的情况,比如他身处一个可怕的地方。他是个勤奋的人。没有犯罪记录。你们就这样把他带走了。[音乐]
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Isa: [music] And I could hear in her voice, and that's when I started to get a little bit worried. and she told me that like your father got detained and it's just like you just start envisioning the worst like he's in this terrible place. This is a hardworking man. No criminal record. Like you guys just took him. [music]
Michael: 我在2月份第一次和Isa通话。那时特朗普政府上台才一个月,政府曾承诺会迅速进行大规模遣返。我当时正在联系全国各地的移民律师,试图弄清楚究竟是谁成为遣返目标,以及移民及海关执法局(ICE)是如何找到他们的。这时,一位律师回电给我,说你得和Isa谈谈。
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Michael: I first spoke to Isa back in February. This was a month into the Trump administration which had promised quick and mass deportations. I was calling immigration lawyers around the country trying to get a sense of who exactly was getting targeted for deportation and how ICE was finding them. And that's when a lawyer called me back saying you got to talk to Isa.
Isa: 你好。
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>> Hello.
Jessica: 你好。我是Jessica。这位是Aya,她是Fabricio的20岁女儿。
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>> Hi.
**>> Hi. So, this is Jessica. This is Aya. She's Fabrico's 20year-old daughter.
Isa: 好的,很高兴认识你。
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**>> Okay, great. Nice to meet you.
Michael: 很高兴认识你。我叫Isa Gomez。Isa现在是马萨诸塞州温斯洛普理工学院的一名大二学生,学习建筑和室内设计。她在一个叫SUS的小镇长大,就在波士顿附近。几天前,就在我们谈话前不久,她的父亲被ICE官员拘留了。能跟我说说你爸爸吗?他叫什么名字?多大了?做什么工作的?
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**>> Nice to meet you, too. My name is Isa Gomez. Right now, Isa is a sophomore at Wentworth Institute of Technology in Massachusetts where she's studying architecture and interior design. She was raised in a town called SUS just outside Boston where days before we had talked, her dad was detained by ICE officers. Tell me a little bit about your dad. What is his name? How old is he? And what does he do?
Isa: 我爸爸叫Fabricio Gomez。他47岁,自己经营一家建筑公司。
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**>> My dad, he's Fabricio Gomez. He is 47 years old and he works at a construction company of his own.
Michael: Isa告诉我,2001年,她爸爸作为一名无证移民来到马萨诸塞州。他从巴西来。那时距离Isa出生还有3年。嗯,能说说他为什么离开巴西吗?
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**>> Isa told me in 2001 her dad had settled here in Massachusetts as an undocumented immigrant. He'd come here from Brazil. This was 3 years before Isa was born. Um, tell me about why he left Brazil.
Isa: 对不起,我只是在为我妈妈问这些问题。关于美国。
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**>> Sorry, I'm just asking like these questions for my mom. the America.
Michael: 所以,嗯,我妈妈说,这是因为那里的暴力,而且他无法养活自己,更不用说在那里养家了。
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**>> So, um, my mom said it was due to the violence down there and like he couldn't make a living for himself, let alone have a family down there.
Michael: 他刚来的时候,和已经在这里的姑姑住在一起。但后来,他遇到了Isa的妈妈,她也来自巴西。
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**>> When he first got here, he lived with his aunt who was already here. But eventually, he met Isa's mom who was also from Brazil.
Isa: 他们俩偶然碰到的,然后他们就说:“哦天哪,我记得你,等等等等。”
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**>> They actually walked into each other and they were like, "Oh my god, like I remember you, blah, blah, blah."
Michael: 他们用Fabricio做建筑工作赚的钱搬出去自己住了。他一直在做一些零散的工作,几乎就像个杂工。然后他遇到了一个人,也就是我爸爸以前的老板,[音乐] 他至今仍在我们生活中,叫Ken。他慢慢地教我爸爸如何[音乐]工作。从换门板、窗户,到[音乐]修理房子内部,然后是屋顶,直到他积累了所有的知识,然后他决定自己准备好开公司,为自己和家人创造生活。
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**>> And they moved out on their own with money Friio made by working in construction. So he had been working like small jobs almost like a handyman. And then he met somebody which is my dad's old boss that [music] still remains in our life, Ken. And he slowly taught my dad how to [music] work. It went from like changing door panels, windows to [music] fixing inside the house and then it went to roofing until he gathered up all his knowledge that he had and then that's when he decided that he was ready to open his company and start creating a life for himself and our family.
Michael: 听起来他很热爱他的工作?
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**>> And is your sense that [music] he loves his job?
Isa: 是的,我爸爸非常热爱他的工作。你可能会觉得他不爱,因为他总是要爬高。而且因为我们住在马萨诸塞州,天气很冷,这是一份非常辛苦的工作。[音乐]
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**>> Yes, my dad is actually very passionate for his job. You would think he wouldn't be because you're constantly going up a ladder. It's so cold since we live in Massachusetts and it's really a hard job. [music]
Michael: 尽管他英语不流利,
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**>> Even though he wasn't fluent in English,
Michael: 他却有办法与人建立联系。
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**>> he had this way of connecting with people.
Isa: 我爸爸总是和客户聊得好像认识他们很久了。我不知道他是怎么做到的,大家都听得懂他说话。
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**>> My dad, he's always talked to his clients like he knew them for so long. I don't know how he talks to them like everybody understands him.
Michael: 从我记事起,我就想和他一样。[音乐] 小时候,我就是个假小子。我总是买儿童建筑工具套装,然后拿着塑料[音乐]玩具在家里到处玩。
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**>> For as long as she can remember, I wanted to be just like him. [music] As a little kid, I was like my dad's kind of tomboy. I'd always buy construction little kids kit and I would always go around the house with like plastic [music] toys.
Isa: 我和我爸爸一样,我们是那种会把不好的东西改造好的人。当某样东西设计得不好时,就会让人感觉很糟糕。当你改造它时,它就重获新生了。听起来你和你爸爸在热爱建造东西这件事上有着特殊的羁绊。
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Isa: Me and my dad are the type of person where we take something that is not good and we reform it. When something's not designed properly, it just feels down. And when you reform it, it brings another life. It sounds like you and your dad shared a special bond over your love of building things.
Isa: 是的,我一直想和我爸爸一起工作,所以才去读了建筑和室内设计专业,这样将来我就可以和我爸爸的公司一起工作了。
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**>> Yes, I always wanted to work with my dad, which is why I went to college for architecture and interior design, so eventually in the future I could work with my dad's company.
Michael: Isa说,她的梦想是让爸爸的公司成为一个家庭公司,由她来继承。他一直以来的梦想就是让我们去上大学,追求我们热爱的事业,因为他们当年无法选择自己的道路。你不是生来就说,“我要去扫厕所,我要当个承包商。” 你生来就想,“我想成为一名女商人,我想拥有自己的公司,我想拥有自己的家。” 这就是他们对我们最大的期望,让我们能够选择自己的道路。我爸爸一直告诉我们要努力工作。没有什么是白给的,没有什么是白送的。去争取吧。
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**>> Isa says her dream is that her dad's company becomes a family company with her. His dream was always for us to go to college and pursue something that we have passion for because they weren't able to choose their own path. You're not born saying, "I'm going to clean toilets. I'm going to be a contractor." You're born thinking like, "I want to be a businesswoman. I want to have my own company. I want to have my own home." And it's just like that's what their main goal for us was that we're able to choose our own path. My dad, he's always been the person to tell us work hard. Nothing's gifted. Nothing's handed. Go after it.
Michael: 那么,快进到今天。你描述的你爸爸对你们的梦想正在实现中。你正在上大学。你爸爸也在经营自己的生意,辛勤工作。当特朗普于1月20日就职时,你们家有没有就采取哪些预防措施进行过讨论,鉴于他正在积极追捕没有身份证明的人?
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**>> So, fast forward to today. The dream that you described your dad having for you guys was in progress. Like, you're in college. Your dad is working hard at a business that he owns. When Trump was inaugurated on January 20th, did your family have conversations about what precautions you guys would take given that he was aggressively pursuing people without documentation.
Isa: 我总是问我爸爸,“我们该担心吗?” 他总是告诉我们,“不,别担心。” 当然,当我一个人时,你脑子里总会闪过一个念头:我该怎么办?万一事情变糟了呢?
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**>> I would always ask my dad like, "Should we worry?" And he'd always tell us like, "No, like there's don't worry." As much as obviously when I'm alone, you always have that thought in the back of your mind like what am I going to do? What if things go down?
Michael: Fabricio没有犯罪记录,他也不想躲避执法部门。他想做正确的事。他有一个待批的签证申请。在此期间,他一直在向ICE报到。他已经这样做了12年。2月份,也就是特朗普就职仅一个月后,他本应进行另一次报到。所以他只是去参加他每年的例行报到,你去了那里,表明身份,谈论被问到的任何事情,就这样。
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**>> Fabricio had no criminal record and he didn't want to hide from law enforcement. He wanted to do things the right way. He's had a pending application for a visa. In the meantime, he's been checking in with ICE. He's been doing that for 12 years. In February, just one month after Trump's inauguration, he was due for another check-in. So he just shows up for his yearly check-in and you go there, you represent yourself, talk about whatever is being asked, and that was about it.
Michael: 然后,她的父亲像往常一样去报到。不久之后,她妈妈就在课堂上给她打了电话,通知Isa她的父亲被拘留了。
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**>> [music] And so her dad shows up to his check-in like he always does. And it was soon [music] after that that her mom called her in class, notifying Isla that her dad had been detained.
Isa: 我当时[音乐]过度换气。我感觉我的心离开了我的胸腔。我想象着他身处那里,我想象着他身处那个狭小的空间。所以我晚上经常担心。万一他恐慌了而我们不知道呢?万一他表现得很坚强,但[音乐]他其实正经历一生中最艰难的时刻呢?这就是我脑海里不断回放的。
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**>> I was [music] hyperventilating. I felt like my heart just left my chest. I think about him being there. I think about him being in this close-up space. So, I worry a lot at night. Like, what if he's panicking and we don't know? What if he's holding strong, but [music] he's actually having the hardest time of his life? Like, that's what constantly replays in my head. [music]
Isa: 所以,我感觉我的心被掏空了,因为我从未能真正好好地说声再见,只能说“待会儿见”。[音乐] [音乐]
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Isa: So, it just felt like my whole heart got ripped out of my chest because I never got to really say a proper goodbye, like I'll see you later. [music] [music]
Michael: 我们马上回来。
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**>> We'll be right back.
拘留与探视
Michael: Isa的父亲于2月26日被拘留。他被送往普利茅斯县惩教所,距离他们家大约一小时车程。最终,Isa设法通过电话联系上了他。
Original English
Michael: Isa's dad was detained on February 26th. He was taken to the Plymouth County Correctional Facility about an hour's drive away from their home. Eventually, Isa was able to reach him on the phone.
Isa: 我会把电话给他。从他打来电话和我们说话的第一天起,他就一直很坚强。他有着最积极乐观的态度,他相信他会见到我们,事情会回到“正常”——因为我觉得经历过这一切后,没有人能真正把生活当作正常来看待——但肯定会好起来的。Isa的父亲也告诉她要坚强。他说拘留中心并不算太糟。他告诉她他找到了一份清洁工作,这让他有更多时间离开牢房。他还和一群其他被拘留者一起开始了一个圣经学习小组。
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**>> I'll give it to my dad. From the first day that he called us to speak to us, that man has holding strong. He has the most positive energy and so positive that he will see us and things will go back to not normal because I don't feel like anybody could really treat life as normal after this situation, but definitely better. Isa's dad told her to hold strong, too. He said the detention center wasn't so bad. He told her he'd gotten a job cleaning, which allowed more time outside of his cell. He started a Bible study with a group of other detainees
Michael: 他被允许探视。
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**>> and he was allowed visitors.
Isa: 我是唯一有资格探视的人,因为我超过18岁了,但他告诉我,虽然我非常想见到你们,但你们不要来这里,因为我不是我本来的样子,看到你们从椅子上站起来,转过身离开,我会很难过。
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**>> I'm the only one eligible to visit because I'm over 18, but he told me like as much as I would love to see you guys so much, just don't come here because this is not the person that I am and it would hurt to see you get up from that chair and turn your back and have to leave.
Michael: 但随着拘留的日子变成几周,他们两人适应了一种新的关系模式。没有探视。
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**>> But as the days in custody turn into weeks, the two of them adapted to a new version of the relationship. No visits.
Isa: 他们经常打电话,一天最多五次。
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**>> They talk on the phone a lot as often as five times a day.
Isa: 我们每次通话都好像他就在我们身边一样。就像我走进家门,跟他打招呼一样。爸爸。嗨,爸爸。你好吗?我想你。我们继续生活,就像在电话里一样。我给他更新我的成绩。我给他更新我的期末考试情况。嗯,我不能给他看我的项目,因为它们都是在线的,都是平面图之类的。但我会给他进行视觉分析。
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**>> We open every conversation like he was here with us. Like I'm walking into the house saying hi to him. Ba. Hi dad. How are you? I missed you. We continue life's how it is on the phone. I gave him updates on my grades. I gave him updates on my finals. Well, I can't show to him my projects since they're all like online based cuz they're all like floor plans, stuff like that. But I like give him the visual analysis.
Michael: 这些电话持续了两个月。然后到了四月,Isa得知了两项重大进展。第一,ICE将要执行一项针对她父亲的驱逐令,这意味着他可能立即被遣返。第二,ICE要把他转移到1600多公里外路易斯安那州一个臭名昭著的拘留中心,该中心曾因涉嫌虐待而受到国土安全部的调查。Isa说,她父亲在路易斯安那州派恩佩里的新拘留中心,与在普利茅斯的那个完全不同。
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**>> [music] These calls went on for two months and then in April, Isla learned of two major developments. First, ICE was going to enforce an order of removal against her dad, which meant he could be deported immediately. Second, ICE was moving him over 1,600 m to a notorious detention center in Louisiana, which had been investigated by the Department of Homeland Security for alleged abuses. Isa says her dad's new detention center in Pine Perry, Louisiana, is nothing like the one in Plymouth.
Isa: 那里简直就是个监狱,真正犯了重罪的人才会待在那里。他住在一个牢房里,那里简直比这里糟糕十倍。
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**>> It's quite literally a prison where people that actually committed real crimes would be in. Like he's in a jail cell where it's just like 10 times worse.
Michael: 情况感觉不一样了。
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**>> Things feel different.
Michael: 她感觉到她父亲一直强装的坚强开始动摇了。
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**>> She senses that the brave face her dad had put on is starting to crack.
Isa: 我不想说他完全恐慌了,但他确实感受到了。即使在电话里,我能听出他也在崩溃。
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**>> I don't want to say he's in full panic, but he's really feeling it. Even so on the phone like I can hear himself let go.
Michael: 这种情绪的变化也开始影响Isa。
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**>> And this change in mood is starting to have an impact on Isa too.
Isa: 有些不对劲。我的焦虑一直很高。感觉每天都很难熬。太难了。
Original English
**>> There's something wrong. My anxiety has been over the roof. It just feels like it's so hard to get through your day. It's so hard. Like
Isa: 你不能告诉我他们会带走我爸爸,然后他会在巴西待十年,直到我们能重新申请他回来。这种事我根本没想过。
Original English
**>> you cannot tell me they'll be taking my dad and he will be in Brazil for the next 10 years up until we can reapply for him to come. Like that does not cross my mind.
Michael: 哦,天哪。如果真到了那一步,你会考虑搬到巴西和他一起住吗?
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**>> Oh man. Would you ever consider moving to Brazil to be with your dad if it came to that?
Isa: 尽管我非常希望能留在这里,然后说,“是的,我的家人将在巴西团聚。” 但这不可能成为计划,因为我的父母付出了太多太多的努力,他们一生中的很多年都为了来到这里而奋斗。
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**>> As much as I would love to stay here and be like, "Yeah, my family is going to reunite in Brazil." It can't be a plan due to the fact that my parents have worked way too damn hard. too many years of their damn life to come here.
Isa: 我会继续上大学。如果有什么的话,我会把他们的成功乘以一百倍。我拒绝相信他们会把这一切毁掉。如果我能继续经营我爸爸的公司,让别人来管理,我就会继续发扬他们的名声。把我的爸爸从我身边带走是一回事,但把他们辛辛苦苦建立的一切都毁掉是另一回事。
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**>> I will be continuing college. And if anything, I will be continuing their success times that by 100. I refuse to believe that they'll be throwing that away. And if I can even continue my dad's company to keep going and get other people to manage it, I will be continuing to making their name. It's one thing to take
Michael: 我想问问,你知道,你父亲的故事,对于很多美国人来说,虽然令人同情,但最终可能还是会觉得,是的,他最终是无证居留的。你对那些可能赞同政府政策、遣返像你父亲这样没有身份证明的人有什么想说的?
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**>> my dad away from me. It's another to take everything that they worked hard for. I wanted to ask, you know, what do you make of the fact that for a lot of Americans, your father's story, while sympathetic, might at the end of the day feel like, yeah, he ultimately was here, not legally. What would you say to those people who might agree with the administration's policies to remove people like your dad who don't have documentation here?
Isa: 如果你指的是一个在这里逍遥法外的杀人犯,我能理解。但如果你觉得因为他们只是移民,就应该拆散家庭,那你就得面对自己内心的挣扎了。如果他们听到我的故事,我希望他们能听到,并试着想象他们自己的一个女儿坐在这里,不得不这样谈论他们的父母,因为有人在诅咒别人。我真的希望他们能想象一下。
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**>> I'd get it if you're talking about a murderer that doesn't belong here and he's just out running on the street or I'd get that. But if you're okay with separating families because they're just simply immigrants, that's a battle you're dealing within yourself. If they're hearing my story specifically, I hope they hear that and that they try to picture one of their daughters sitting here and having to talk about their one of their parents like this because somebody out there is wishing that on somebody else. And I just really want them to picture that.
Michael: 你提到你一生大部分时间都在设想和你父亲一起的未来,以及和你父亲一起创业。鉴于发生的一切,那个梦想现在是什么样的?
Original English
**>> You mentioned you spent most of your life envisioning a future with your dad and going into business with your dad. Given everything that's happened, what is that dream now?
Isa: 嗯,就目前而言,没有梦想,没有目标。就好像,好吧,我的梦想就是能够挺过这一切。
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**>> Um, as of right now, there's like no dream, no goal. It's just like, okay, well, my dream is to kind of just be able to push through this.
Michael: 你有没有梦见过和你父亲重逢?那一直是我的小小梦想,从2月26日开始。 [鼻音] 就是接到那个电话,被告知,“去接你爸爸。”
Original English
**>> Have you dreamt about reuniting with your dad, on the other hand? That's been my little Idel dream since February 26th. [snorts] Just me getting that call of being told, "Go pick up your dad."
Isa: [音乐] 我脑子里想到的就是我把车停好,下车。
Original English
**>> [music] And all I could think of is me just like parking my car, getting out my car.
Isa: 他就站在外面,和他离开时一模一样,穿着工作服,就是他平时的样子,脸上也是他平常的表情。
Original English
**>> [music] He's standing outside like quite literally the same exact person he left like in his work clothes just the way he is with his face like his regular face.
Michael: 感觉好像时间没有过去。
Original English
**>> M like no time had passed.
Isa: 没有。感觉就像时间完全停止了,但感觉生活却天翻地覆。
Original English
**>> No. Like literally no time has passed but it feels like life spent upside down.
Michael: 是的。[音乐]
Original English
**>> Yeah. [music]
Isa: 然后紧紧地拥抱我爸爸,我唯一能做的就是哭。放声大哭。我在这两个月里一直压抑着的一切,我就是这样看到的。[音乐] 我觉得这一定会发生,这就是我所想的一切。每天醒来,我脑子里想的都是这件事。我脑海里一遍又一遍地浮现。而且只有我。我妈妈不在我身边,我姐姐也不在我身边。只有我和我爸爸。
Original English
**>> And just hugging my dad and all I could literally do is cry. like cry my literal heart out. Like everything that I've been holding in like within these two [snorts] months is that's exactly how I see. [music] It just feels like it's going to happen and it's all I think about. That's all I can envision like over and over again every single day that I wake up. And it's just me. Like it's not like my mom's around, my sister's around. It's just like me and my dad.
Michael: [音乐]
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**>> [music]
遣返与重逢
Michael: Isa从未接到去接她爸爸的电话。相反,在我们谈话后的几天,她收到了她爸爸被从美国遣返回巴西的消息。[音乐]
Original English
Michael: Isa never got the call to pick up her dad. Instead, a few days after we had talked, she received news that her dad [music] had been deported from the US to Brazil.
Michael: 于是,Isa为自己收拾了一个小行李箱[音乐],为她爸爸准备了一个大一点的,并预订了一张飞往巴西的机票。周二早上,在贝拉奥里藏特机场的到达大厅,Isa[音乐]终于和她爸爸团聚了。
Original English
Michael: So, Isla packed a small suitcase for herself [music] and a bigger one for her dad, and she booked a ticket for one to Brazil. And on Tuesday morning at the arrivals terminal in Bella Orizanchi airport, Isa [music] finally got to be with her dad.
Michael: 休息过后,高级制作人Jessica Chong将讲述Isa与父亲重聚后的故事。
Original English
Michael: After [music] the break, senior producer Jessica Chong on what happened after Isa reunited with her father.
Isa: 穿过所有的通道后,就是一扇店面门,像一扇滑动门。它会滑开,然后就在门后面。我真的看见他站在门前。我给了他一个大大的拥抱。我太想他了。这太令人震惊了。我当时想,我怎么会在巴西?那是一种非常奇怪的感觉,我很高兴见到他,但我也很震惊。我在想,我们在这里做什么?我想,就这样吧。现在情况就是这样。
Original English
Michael: Once you go through all the tunnel and everything, it's literally like a storefront door, like a sliding door. It just slides and like there behind that door. And I literally see him like standing in front of the door. I gave him a big hug. Like I missed him so much. It was so shocking. It's just like, what am I doing in Brazil? That was like such a weird moment where it's just like I'm so happy to see him, but I'm in shock. I'm like, what are we doing here? I guess this is it. Like, this is how things are for now.
Michael: 我猜你描述的感觉是,你觉得你并不属于巴西。
Original English
**>> I guess that the feeling you're describing is that you don't feel like you belong there in Brazil.
Isa: 是的。
Original English
**>> Yeah.
Michael: 在人际关系上,你们对待彼此完全正常。
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**>> Relationship wise and treating each other completely normal.
Isa: 嗯哼。
Original English
**>> Mhm.
Isa: 对我来说,每天醒来都会有那种奇怪的感觉。那里很热,是热带气候。我不属于这里。我不属于这里。我爸爸不该在这里。我也不该在这里醒来。而且,看到我爸爸在那里也需要适应,这对我来说非常奇怪。[鼻音] 感觉他就像在度假,而且没有结束日期。
Original English
**>> For me, it was definitely that feeling of like every day that I would wake up, it would be so weird. It's like it's hot there. It's tropical. I don't belong here. I don't belong here. This is not where my dad's supposed to be. This is not where I'm supposed to be waking up. And like time to see my dad adjust there too is very weird to me. [snorts] It feels like he's like on a like vacation that there's no end date to.
Michael: 有没有什么具体的事情让你觉得“我不属于这里”?是空气的味道吗?
Original English
**>> M is there specific things you saw that like triggered you into thinking I'm not supposed to be here? Is it like the smell of I don't know the air?
Isa: 看到我爸爸和他兄弟们在一起,这让我觉得很奇怪。我这辈子都没见过。他有四个兄弟。
Original English
**>> Seeing it was actually like seeing things seeing my dad with his brothers. I've never seen that a day in my life cuz he has four of them actually
Isa: 这对我来说非常奇怪,我无法理解。他们只是在聊天,他们有很多年的事情要聊。并不是说他不属于那里,他当然属于那里,那是他的家人,但那不是他现在的“家”,我们才是他的家人,他的未来在这里。
Original English
**>> was very weird to me and I couldn't like grasp it. They're just talking. they have like so much to catch up on within years. And it's not that he doesn't belong obviously that's his family but like that is you know not his family family like we're his family like his future wives here. [music]
Isa: 看到我爸爸坐在那里,沉浸在过去,好像他们还是小孩子一样,而现在,现在却在别处。感觉他只是在弥补过去的遗憾,而且,在我看来,他无处可去。
Original English
**>> So seeing my dad like sitting there with the past as if they're little and you know the present is somewhere else. It literally feels like he's catching up on the past and in [music] my opinion not going anywhere.
Michael: 你上次谈话时提到,你想和你爸爸一起工作,梦想是开一家设计建造房屋的公司。我想知道,这个计划是否还在?你觉得那个梦想是否还有可能实现?
Original English
**>> You mentioned that you wanted when we last talked to work with your dad and that the dream was to start a company to design and build places and I guess I wonder if that's still the plan. If you feel like that dream is still possible in some way.
Isa: 我觉得这个梦想依然强大。计划确实改变了,不幸的是。
Original English
**>> I definitely feel like the dream is powerful. There is change of plans unfortunately.
Michael: 嗯哼。
Original English
**>> Mhm.
Isa: 但这并不意味着我不能继承他的事业。我爸爸肯定不是为了在这里度过他生命中的20年或24年,建立这一切,然后就放弃。说起来有点疯狂,但这反而让我更加坚定。这让我更加努力地工作,因为[音乐]他不在我身边。
Original English
**>> But that doesn't mean I can't continue his legacy. And my dad definitely didn't come here for I believe 20 or 24 years of his life here. Build all this and give up. It's a little crazy to say, but that actually made me a little bit more determined. Like it makes me work harder because [music] he's not here.
Isa: 我做实习,我全职工作,你知道,自从[音乐]生活在经济上发生了巨大转变后。所以我总是在学校之外不停地工作。生活非常忙碌。我只是工作。
Original English
**>> I do co-ops. I work full-time. you know, ever since [music] life took a big turn financial wise. So, I'm always constantly working when I'm not in school. It It's a very busy life. I just work.
Isa: 我只是工作和上学。每天都是这样的循环。
Original English
**>> I just work and go to school. And the cycle repeats every single day.
Isa: 我觉得这是一种信号,我需要振作起来,做自己的事情,建立自己的生活。我[音乐]不能依赖我的父母,他们总是在那里给我精神支持,一个电话就能联系到。但我需要长大。我必须坚定立场,说,“好吧,我得好好利用这一切。”
Original English
**>> [music] I kind of took this as a sign of like I need to get up and kind of do my own thing, build my life. I [music] can't depend on my parents like they're always there for moral support. Phone call away, but I need to grow up. I put my foot on the ground and say, "Well, I got to make the best of it."
Michael: 今天的节目由Jessica Chung报道和制作。由Michael Benois和Jodie Becker编辑[音乐],Ben Calhoun协助。事实核查由Susan Lee完成[音乐],音乐由Dan Powell、Pat McCusker、Alicia、Will Reed和Marian Lozano提供[音乐],工程由Alyssa Moxley、Rowan Yamisto和Chris Wood负责。
Original English
Michael: Today's episode was reported [music] and produced by Jessica Chung. It was edited by Michael Benois and Jodie Becker [music] with help from Ben Calhoun. It was fact checked by Susan Lee, [music] contains music by Dan Powell, Pat McCusker, Alicia, Will Reed, and Marian Lozano, [music] and was engineered by Alyssa Moxley, Rowan Yamisto, and Chris Wood.
Michael: 《每日》节目到此结束。我是Michael Bubaro。明天见。
Original English
Michael: That's [music] it for the daily. I'm Michael Bubaro. See you tomorrow.
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