策略性临在:重构AI时代的权力平衡
在人工智能(AI)和数字化工具迅猛发展的背景下,人际沟通的形式正在经历深刻重构。对于内向者(Introvert:指通过独处获取心理能量、偏好低刺激环境的人群)而言,AI和网络媒介最初提供了一种超越传统“始终在线”的高频社交模式,使他们能够通过文字和非同步沟通发挥自身的深度思考优势。虽然文化中的自我表现(Self-presentation:向他人展示特定形象的社交行为)倾向往往会将这些新媒介重新转化为外在展示的舞台,但内向者同样能以极高的行动力(High agency:个体自主设定目标并采取行动影响环境的能力)去利用这些技术实现其聚焦的个人目标。
尤其值得关注的是占比约15%至20%的高敏感人群(Highly Sensitive Person:神经系统对环境刺激反应更为敏锐的人群)。这一群体的神经生物学特征决定了他们对外界的积极与消极输入都具有更强烈的反应。在AI时代,高敏感人群在维持人类真实性(Human authenticity:不受外界干扰、展现真实自我和情感的状态)方面具有独特优势。由于他们对“不真实性”天然敏感,因而会坚决抵制由机器接管其自我表达与人际连接。在未来的数字化浪潮中,这种人与人之间真实的、去面具化的深度连接将成为最稀缺的生产要素。
Original English
Hi everyone, I'm Nicolola Tangen, the CEO of the Norwegian Wealth Fund and today I'm in really good company with Susan Kaine. Now Susan is the author who gave the world of introverts a voice because her book Quiet spent eight years on the bestseller list and her TED talk has been watched by millions and millions of people. She changed how millions of us think about personality, leadership and creativity. And Susan, warm welcome. Thank you so much Nikolai. It is such a pleasure to be here with you. Susan, I'd love to start with AI because the world is changing. Is it changing the relationship between introverts and extroverts? It's very interesting with these technologies in general. I often feel that they often at the beginning offer more promise for introverts to have multiple ways of communicating beyond the conventional ones of being always in person, always on, always activated. And then somehow they end up often becoming additional platforms for self-presentation because that's so prevalent in our culture. So I actually with AI I'm adopting a bit of a wait and see attitude. Yeah. There is a new expression which I hear which is the kind of the high agency people who kind of really leverage the technology to make them even louder and I'm just wondering whether that's one of those things you know which amplifies the extroverts even more. What do you think? Well not necessarily. I mean from the dawn of the internet there's actually been this kind of concept of the people call it sometimes the online extrovert, online extrovert inperson introvert, and introverts are just as high agency as extroverts in terms of having goals that they're excited about, projects that they want to accomplish, and being having high agency in the service of those goals that they care about. And in fact, I would say what is singular about introverts or what distinguishes them is that they tend to focus on one or two or three goals in their lives. They tend to focus on people in their lives that they really care about. If they're committed to a given company or to leading a company, they're like really really really committed. And so so they're high agency in that sense and in that sense being able to mobilize AI towards those highly directed goals can be incredibly amplifying and powerful. So who do you think are going to be more robot proof in the future? I don't know that it's going to be introverts or extroverts or more robot proof. What I would say is that the most robotproof people are going to be the ones who care very deeply about maintaining human authenticity. We as human beings, we evolutionarily designed to pick up a thousand unconscious cues from the people around us. And so we take in information from the people around us without even quite knowing that that's what we're doing which is how we can often tell that somebody is speaking the truth versus telling us a lie. You know you just get some kind of a sixth sense about that. So when we talk about introverts and extroverts I don't know that there's a difference there. However there's this category of person that I talk about a lot in my work. It's a category called the highly sensitive person and it describes about 15 to 20% of the population. Many of these people are introverts although some of them a few of them are extroverts who just like a lot of alone time but anyway highly sensitive people by their nature react more to everything in their environments both the positive and the negative. So, they see a beautiful sunset or a beautiful spreadsheet or whatever it is and they're very excited about it and it's incredibly meaningful to them. By the same token, when there's, let's say, a conflict or an upset in their personal life, they they might feel that more acutely as well. Highly sensitive people care a lot about authenticity before authenticity was ever a word that people were using hundreds of times per day. This is the way highly sensitive people live and breathe. And so for that category of people, I believe there's going to be a huge advantage if that's even the right word in the age of AI because they are the ones who are going to be resistant to letting the machines take over their self-expression and their leadership and their means of connecting with people. And you know as we all know that's going to be the big commodity in the next decade is actually being oneself and connecting human to human.
时代流变与文化张力:从“性格文化”到“个性文化”
回溯人类社交的历史演变,可以清晰看到社会评价体系的轴心转移。在20世纪之前,人类社会处于性格文化(Culture of Character:关注个人道德品质、诚信与内在价值的评价体系)主导的时代。彼时人们大多生活在较小的熟人社区,与彼此熟识的邻里协同工作,个人的“内在价值”(如荣誉、正直和诚实)决定了其社会地位,当时流行的自助手册也主要致力于指导人们如何提升内在操守。
然而,随着工业化和城市化的推进,人们迁入都市并开始与陌生人协同工作,社会评价体系迅速转向了个性文化(Culture of Personality:强调个人魅力、展示能力和社交磁性的评价体系),使得磁性魅力、表达快慢和自我营销成为评判个人价值的主流标准。现代社交媒体正是这一趋势的放大版,常将人包装为“社交商品”而非真实个体。
此外,内向与外向(Introversion and Extroversion)在不同地缘文化中承载着不同的社会价值。例如,美国文化表现出强烈的外向型偏好,推崇自我展示与高调表达。相比之下,受儒家社会(Confucian societies:以群体和谐、克己复礼为核心的东亚文化圈)影响的地区则更倾向于重视内向品质。在这种文化语境中,群体和谐(Group harmony)高于个人出头,“风狂啸而山恒静”等谚语生动体现了将“静默”视为力量源泉的哲学智慧。
Original English
It's interesting when you say highly sensitive people of course there are some immediate characters to come to mind of my friends and so on. What characterize these people? Well I mean we could start with with what's happening neurobiologically for these people and that is that they have nervous systems that react more intensely to all different forms of stimulation. So if you think of people you know in your life who react more to a noisy environment like there's a lot of noise and they it just really bothers them that kind of thing. And by the same token they react more to beauty. What's happening is that their nervous system is much more stimulated by those incoming inputs. And what they often have in common as a result of that is a deep appreciation of excellence, a commitment to having beautiful environments or to making beautiful things or products or whatever it is, and to having authentic personal relationships because their very nervous systems will react more in the presence of inauthenticity. And so yeah, I do think that once you become attuned to the presence of this 20% of the population, you do see them everywhere and you become one starts to notice them. And I think the beauty of all of this kind of work about personality and temperament is you quickly start to realize that the world really could not exist without all these different kinds of people. Like you couldn't have an organization that was made up entirely of highly sensitive people. But you also couldn't have an organization without them. There would be a core essence missing there. Is social media making us all less sensitive and less social in a sense? Yes. Because what it is doing and it wasn't like this at the beginning, you know, at the beginning of the internet or even at the beginning of social media. There was a desire to use it to connect, right? Like people would get on Facebook and they would use that to connect with their oldest friends or stay in touch with people, whatever it was. And there's still that aspect to it. But in the years to come, social media has just become an amplification of our already overloaded culture of self-presentation. So like one of the things I researched in my book is about the way that we moved in the 19th or really at the turn of the 20th century from what cultural historians call a culture of character to a culture of personality. So in the culture of character, this was in the time when we tended to be living in smaller communities with people who we knew intimately. And if you were living alongside and working alongside your neighbors, what really matters is inner worth. You know, character like are you going to do the right thing in a difficult time? Those kinds of questions. Are you going to be a person of honor and a person of integrity? And if you look at the self-help manuals even from that era, they were teaching people how to have more integrity. Then we came to the 20th century and people started moving out of their small towns and moving into cities and working alongside people they had never known before and having job interviews and sales presentations. And suddenly what started to matter was how magnetic are you? How charismatic are you? How do you present yourself? And so that's when we came into this era of the culture of personality. And so to answer your question, we're now in the 21st century with social media. And though at first it seemed like it was going to return us to an age of heightened connection with people we knew and love, it has become an amplified platform for self-presentation and for just presenting ourselves as a package as opposed to what we truly are. How do you see differences between the various geographies in the world when it comes to this? Oh, well, that's very interesting actually because there there really are great cultural differences in terms of how we view introversion and extroversion as personality traits. So you will not be shocked to know, for example, that the United States is one of the more extroverted cultures in terms of what it values. If you look at Confucian societies in particular, you see much more of a valuing of introversion because Confucian societies of course are cultures where people where there's much more of a focus on group harmony. And if you want group harmony, you don't want one person standing out too much or drawing too much attention to themselves. You want the strong functioning of the group. So in Confucian societies for example some of the the common aphorisms would be the wind howls and the mountain remains still. So quiet is much more of seen as a source of strength.
神经生物学基础与情境领导力的重塑
现代心理学与脑科学研究表明,内向与高敏感特质具有极高的遗传性(Heritability)。实验表明,新生儿对糖水刺激的唾液分泌反应(Salivation response:自主神经系统对外界物理化学刺激的活跃度)能够预测其未来的行为模式。分泌较多唾液的婴儿拥有更敏感的神经系统,他们在进入陌生社交环境时往往倾向于先“暂停并观察”,以恢复心理平衡态(Equilibrium state)。这种与生俱来的气质伴随人的一生,并深刻影响着成年后的决策风格——例如在商业博弈中,内向者更容易敏锐地识别潜在风险与系统漏洞。
这种特质对组织领导力提出了新的要求。首先,传统会议往往存在“发言极化”现象,少数人主导了大部分讨论,导致大量优秀决策被埋没。其次,根据沃顿商学院学者亚当·格兰特(Adam Grant)的研究,不同性格的领导者适用于不同的团队情境:
- 当团队员工较为被动时,外向型领导能够凭借个人魅力提供亟需的感召力,激发团队活力;
- 当团队员工极具主动性(Proactive)时,内向型领导则能通过深度倾听、吸收建议并赋予员工自主权,从而交付更出色的业绩。
例如前金宝汤公司(Campbell Soup)首席执行官道格拉斯·科南特(Douglas Conant)作为一名内向型领导者,在任期内亲写了超过3万封表达感激的手写信,以这种高度个性化且真诚的方式与员工建立连接,展现了内向领导力的非凡效能。
Original English
How much of this is given from birth and how much is it because of the way we are brought up and you know encouraged by our parents? It's a good question and of course we know by now that everything is a combination of nature and nurture but introversion and extroversion and also high sensitivity that we were talking about are among the most heritable of all the personality traits. So like I was telling you at the beginning about how highly sensitive introverts will react much more to stimulation. That's something that you can see from the minute babies are born. So scientists have done these fascinating studies where they'll take newborn babies and they will follow them over the course of their lifetime or for many years let's say and they start with these newborn babies and they give them sugar water and what they see is that the babies that salivate more in response to the sugar water that's an indication of a nervous system that is reacting more to all different kinds of stimulation. So now you take that baby and they're two years old and they go into a play group of kids they haven't seen before. The children who salivated for the sugar water are the same ones who are going to be more quiet in that play group because their nervous systems are sending them the signal that there's a lot happening right now. We should pause. We should check it out and figure out what's going on here and let's get back to equilibrium. And as soon as those kids feel that they're in equilibrium and they've figured out the environment, then you'll see they get comfortable and they start to go and play. And this way of being can stay with us. It's a temperament. So even though we learn all kinds of skills and we have all kinds of experiences as we grow, that temperament can stay with us. And so then you talk about let's say people in a company who are 40 years old and now it's time to make a business decision. Well, if you're the person whose nervous system tends to tell you, we want to get back to equilibrium here, you're probably going to be more attuned to if you're contemplating a new business deal, let's say, you're going to be more attuned to the potential risks along the way or just the subtleties that are involved in the business program because you want to make sure everything's getting to that equilibrium point. So these things affect us in fascinating ways and there are aspects bottom line that we really are born with although we do of course adapt and change over the course of a lifetime. Susan, what are the implications for leadership? How should introverts and extroverts be led differently if so they should? Oh, how should they be led differently? And we should talk also about the difference between introverted and extroverted leaders. But yeah, in terms of being led differently, it's really the idea of leading the actual person as opposed to just leading an undifferiated mass of humans really applies here, of course, because introverts and extroverts have incredibly different needs for a perfect workday. If you go back to that idea of equilibrium and what is it that gets each person into a state of equilibrium and by the way so less sensitive people have nervous systems that react much less to stimulation. So for them the downside and the danger is that they're not having enough stimulation coming at them and then they can start to feel unhappy and bored and sluggish. So we have to take care of that as well. So you want to be creating environments where each employee can have access to the proper amount of stimulation for them so that they could be spending as much of their time in a state of equilibrium as possible. So this shows up in terms of how do we design our office space? Are we making sure that we have spaces where there's lots of interaction and stimulation and noise? Which all of us why introvert or extrovert we all want that at some point during the day and then do we have office places in the office where people can go to be quiet and focus and have their heads down. In terms of how do we design schedules, an introvert will probably function at their best if they can have a schedule where they can focus a lot uninterrupted and get into that state of flow. Whereas extroverted workers will need that some of the time because all good creative work needs that. But they're going to start feeling unhappy if they don't have enough social interaction during the day. So even thinking about how do you structure the day like do you want to maybe have designated zones where there's uninterrupted flow time no meetings and then zones where the meetings can happen. In terms of how do you run those meetings? How do you make sure that you're hearing from everyone? There is a study outside from the Kellogg School of Business that found that in your typical large meeting you have three people doing 70% of the talking. And that is a disaster if you assume that on average everyone has the same number of good and bad ideas and now we know we're only hearing from a few of the most vocal or dominant or senior people, whatever. Well that's a lot of bad a lot of good ideas we're not hearing and there might be an overweing of less good ideas. They're extrovert and also the most highly paid. Often often that's true which then creates the has the cycle keep on going. So your perfect day then you're a self-declared introvert right? Yes I am. Let's say I am a touch more extrovert perhaps. So your perfect day, how does it look? Oh, that's interesting. So I need to have social interaction in my day to look forward to and then I like to have a lot of alone time in between. Every day I try to play tennis and that's partly social, partly not, I guess you could say. Every day I absolutely must have my alone time with my laptop where I'm writing or otherwise thinking. That's incredibly important solo sanctuary time for me. Even when we're on family vacation, I have to have that time. And then usually I like, well, it depends. If I'm spending, if it's a day where I have my family around, I don't really have other social needs. If my family happens not to be around, then I have to be scheduling something at one point or another. And then there's always business meetings and podcasts and that kind of thing. But basically, like I schedule my calendar I can't let my assistant, even though she's amazing, I can't have her schedule a calendar for me because every single day, I'm precisely calibrating it so that I'm getting exactly the right amount of time of social time and solitary time. And it's so idiosyncratic that no one else could do it for me. What happens now? I take over your calendar. You know, I'm going to work for you for a few weeks now. I'm going to take over your calendar. I'm just going to pack it full of stuff. Meeting people, open door policy. Everybody can come and grab you when they want. There is no tennis, no nothing. How what would it do to you? I would just start to feel I'd probably I don't know that I'd really show it, but I would start to feel overwhelmed, tired of it all. Probably not focusing quite as well, just a little bit jangled, more likely to burn out, not enjoying the day by day. As I'm saying it, I'm just talking about myself now. The word that really comes to me is burnout. I would burn out quite quickly though I'd function in the moment. Well, somebody told me that if you pretend to be another person than you are, you burn out straight away. And I guess that's what it is, right? Yeah. Yeah. That it's a cognitive load. You also you're not thinking as well because when you're having to fight against the way you really prefer to be spending your time, there's a kind of cognitive load that's involved with that. So literally your brain is just not quite as fluid as it would be otherwise. Why do we promote so many extroverts, you know, charismatic people to become leaders even then when they're not, first of all, why do we do it? And then of course, are they actually better or are they actually worse? Well, I think there's two reasons. One of them is, you know, the very word charisma means a person who has a kind of magical quality about them. We all love a magical quality and it's a great gift to have that and people like to be around it. So that's just one really simple explanation. But then the other one is this culture that we live in that I was talking about before that since the 20th century we have lived in this culture of personality where we're taught from a very early age that what's most important is to be the most dominant, to talk the most. There's studies that show that people will rate as more intelligent someone who speaks more loudly and who speaks more quickly and all of these things. But in terms of the actual outcomes, what's interesting about it is there are many studies suggesting that introverted leaders deliver outcomes that are as strong or in some cases stronger than extroverted leaders. And that's a really interesting phenomenon and we can talk about the reasons why that is because I think there's a few of them. One is, there was a study, you're probably familiar with the book Good to Great, Jim Collins's famous work, and in that study he looked at the top performing CEOs in the United States at that time, and it was 11 of them. And he found that all 11 of these CEOs were described by their colleagues as quiet, unassuming, soft-spoken, shy people, which is not what we expect. But they were also described as having a fierce sense of dedication to their companies and a real commitment and a real vision for their companies. And this gets into the heart of what introverted people are like because introverts by nature, we tend to invest deeply in the subjects that we really care about and in the people that we really care about. And if you have an employee who's incredibly talented and dedicated in that way, they can end up becoming incredible leaders, but they'll often get to that leadership point through a different means. It's like they're getting there through their commitment and they end up acquiring all this expertise. They end up building networks with other people who share their passion and they end up attracting people around them who also share their sense of commitment. So, it's a very different route to that leadership position, but it can be incredibly powerful. And they also once they get to those leadership positions, they often have a very different way of communicating. So, one of my favorite examples of this is Douglas Conant, who until not long ago, he was the CEO of Campbell Soup. He is by his own description a very shy and introverted person and he really cares about people and you can feel that the minute you meet him. And when he was at Campbell, he would identify who were the employees who were really contributing to the company and he would sit down and write to them these personal letters of gratitude and people would carry those letters around like it meant so much to them. And he wrote 30,000 of those letters during his 10 years at Campbell. And an extroverted CEO would connect in a completely different way, no more, no less powerful. It's just different. So there's these alternative routes to leadership that we don't think about. And then there's also a famous study by the social scientist Adam Grant at Wharton. And he found this is really fascinating. He found that extroverted leaders do produce better outcomes in situations where their employees are not as motivated and the extrovert can come in and deliver a lot of inspiration and charisma and get them going. And the introverted leaders delivered better outcomes than the extroverts when they had proactive employees because in those cases the introverted leaders were more likely to listen to what those proactive employees had to say. The proactive employees would share their ideas and the introverted leader would take them in and think about them and listen to them and that would produce better outcomes in the end. So there's all kinds of factors to leadership that we're not well enough taking into account and as a result we're not cultivating for leadership opportunities many of our most talented people which it's just a waste and a shame.
空间与日程的微观校准:内向者的职场设计
在组织内部,为员工提供符合其性格特征的物理与制度环境,对于防止职业倦怠和提升产出至关重要。内向型员工的完美工作日需要精细校准“独处与社交”的比例。强行要求内向者适应“门户开放政策”或无节制的社交互动,会产生巨大的认知负荷(Cognitive load:处理外在刺激时大脑所消耗的心理资源),导致大脑运行效率降低,甚至诱发快速的职业倦怠(Burnout:个体在长期高压社交或工作刺激下产生的身心俱疲状态)。
因此,现代企业应当推动混合办公制(Hybrid work model:结合居家与办公室工作的弹性工作模式)以及办公室空间的多元化设计:
- 多感官办公空间设计:既要提供充满互动、活力和适度噪音的协同区域,也必须提供允许员工屏气凝神、深度专注的“安静避风港”;
- 日程防干扰机制:设计免受会议打扰的“深度专注区时间”,保护员工进入心流(Flow:完全沉浸于当前活动并获得高度满足感的心理状态)的可能性;
- 尊重社交需求的个体差异:即使是极度内向的创作者(例如苏珊·凯恩本人),通常也偏好在咖啡馆等“有人的环境”中进行写作,这种“温和的社会临在”表明,内向者的社交需求是精细且情境化的,不可简单化地等同于自我孤立。
Original English
So now we are establishing a new company and it's called Susan Kane Limited and we produce great stuff and do incredible we just do incredible things. Now you are the CEO. You are now building up this company, recruiting the people you want, making the mix of people you want, do whatever you want. Just how do you how do you go about it? What is the right mix? Um, you know, who do you recruit? Just how do you think about all these things? Well, I mean, I I assume you're asking kind of from a temperament point of view. And what I would really want to do is create is hire a mix of people, a mix of introverts and extroverts. We know that teams who have introverts and extroverts on them, mixed teams do the best. Because introverts and extroverts really like each other. Like they like working with each other. They compliment each other. And you see it in marriages too. I mean, I'm married to an extrovert and that's not an accident. So that's what I would be looking for in the hiring. And I would also probably be looking for a co-CEO or a deputy or something like that who is more extroverted than I am. So that there would be we each get to play to our own strengths instead of having one person try to do everything. It's very important. Is home office good for introverts to some degree? But we all have social needs. So everyone's social needs need to get met just to differing degrees and we all function better with people who we truly know. So there's got to be some way of having that connection and it it I it's really a question of degree. I never write my books at home ever. I find it much too isolating. I always go off to coffee shops to do my writing because I like to have people around me. So these things are not always as as predictable as you might think. But yeah, I do believe hybrid is the way to go.
接纳脆弱性:解构“毒性积极性”与追寻悲喜交织的智慧
在主流企业文化和社交语境中,往往存在一种毒性积极性(Toxic positivity:对快乐、兴奋情绪的过度崇拜,强制要求个体隐匿一切负面情绪的文化倾向)。这种文化强迫人们无论何时何地都必须展现出亢奋、快乐的假面。研究表明,压抑负面感受并强行表露积极情绪不仅消耗巨大的精神能量,还会阻碍真正的人际信任与合作。相反,接纳悲喜交织(Bittersweet:敏锐感知生命中快乐与忧伤并存、世事易逝并以此获得更深层幸福感的心理取向)能够让人更深刻地品味当下的每一刻,并认识到人类共有的脆弱性。
哈佛商学院对墨西哥湾某石油钻井平台(Oil rig)的研究提供了一个极佳的实操案例。传统的钻井平台充满高度男性化的硬汉文化,员工被要求时刻表现出强硬、自信且无所不知。通过引入开放坦诚的沟通机制,允许员工分享家庭困难、个人脆弱与安全隐忧,该平台的事故率显著骤降,生产率大幅攀升。这一系统反馈证明,当员工无需再为表演“完美与坚强”而支付认知成本时,组织整体的安全性与执行力反而能获得根本性的提升。对于青年一代而言,在面临社会的千百种塑造压力时,寻找童年时期的纯粹热爱往往是重拾内在真实自我、明确人生志向的最佳指引。
Original English
Susan, 10 years after you wrote Quiet you wrote another book, Bittersweet. I read it as someone where I was quite down and it just resonated so incredibly with me. Tell me what is a bittersweet personality? It's a personality that understands and is aware of the fact that in our lives and in this world there is always a mix of joy and sorrow. That that's just part of the nature of being human. And that paradoxically to live with that awareness and with an awareness of mortality and all of it leads to a richer form of happiness in the end. Because it leads you to appreciate each moment and and there's also just a curious beauty in it all. I mean, as you know, from reading the book, I I actually got started on this quest because I was curious about why I kept having such an ecstatic reaction to listening to minor key sad music. And it didn't make sense. It's like this music that is by by definition sad music. Why would it make me happy? But there is a kind of heightened joy that comes from realizing just the fragility of being human and the fact that all our fellow humans were equally fragile and there's a a kind of connection in it all and a savoring of each moment that comes with that outlook on the world. You are critical to what some people call toxic positivity. What is that? Well, it's the insistence, the unspoken insistence that people show up every day at work or anywhere really with a relentlessly happy presentation. I think about this all the time. I often get called in to do Zoom calls where it's like a company or a group of employees or something and everyone gets on the Zoom and the person who's leading it will ask everyone you know tell us in the chat what are you how are you feeling right now and everyone types the chat I'm feeling great I'm feeling excited I'm feeling happy and like there's no way that's true there's no way that all those people are feeling that way and yet there is this expectation that that's what we have to perform for each other. Now, I'm not saying actually that we should have workplaces where people feel the opposite expectation that they should be disclosing everything that they feel, the the good, the bad, the sad, the happy. But when there's the expectation that you have to kind of pretend to be happy in a way that you're not, that that is an unspoken load. Not only because it takes so much energy out of the individual people, but the real issue is the connections that don't actually happen when we're performing that kind of positivity. And you know in the book I talk about a Harvard Business School study of an oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico. And this oil rig had an incredibly masculine culture where you had to present a very positive face all the time. And also you had to present that you always knew what you were doing. You had no doubts. Nothing bothered you. And then what happened was this oil rig was moving to an even bigger oil rig. It was going to be more dangerous, more challenging, the whole thing. And the CEO, this guy named Rick Fox, he decided he was worried about this move and about the safety implications. And he started bringing all his workers into rooms where they would talk to each other from morning until night. They holed up together for like 10 days in a row and really encouraged each other to share what was happening in their personal lives, their family lives to the extent they wanted to. And they developed a completely new and more open way of connecting with each other. And as a result, the accident rates, even once they had moved to the more dangerous, bigger oil rig, the accident rates plummeted and their productivity went way up. And a lot of this was just a result of the guys no longer feeling like they had to pretend that they knew what they were doing when they didn't. Or if they saw that there was a problem in the machinery, they would feel comfortable saying to their co-workers, "There's a problem here. What should we do about it?" And these subtle little shifts of a culture can make a huge difference. But positivity isn't that a good thing. I mean, positive people are on average happier, aren't they? They recover easier from setbacks. they make more money. I mean, how how wrong is it to be positive? I mean, being the point is not so much positive, negative. It's great whenever we're feeling positive, it feels very good. It feels good to be around positive people. The point more is to be able to be more or less what you actually are. Is it a choice? Is positivity a choice there? It's a very good question because we definitely I would say in micro moments have the ability to do things like fake it until you make it or to decide I you know I'm going to put on a smile and that's actually going to make me feel better temporarily in the moment. I'm not even talking so much about momentby-moment choices as I am kind of a broader outlook. I think it's kind of funny because every time I'm asked to send pictures to a US speaker engagement, I get the picture back and I'm asked to send a new one with a bigger smile on. Oh, that's so interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Cuz I I never smile on pictures because I don't think life is that funny, you know. That's very very interesting. Yeah. Interesting. I was just having dinner the other night with a couple. The guy is American and the gal is from the Czech Republic and we were talking about those cultural differences and how like you look at pictures of people from the Czech Republic like no one's smiling in the pictures so same thing and from the US point of view that looks so surprising. Talking about what's the biggest mistake you have done in your life? The biggest mistake, that's interesting, something I ask myself about all the time is, you know, I wanted to be a writer from the time I was four years old, but I went to law school and I worked as a corporate lawyer for about seven years. And there are some ways in which that was a mistake because [AI_META_START] title: "内向者的深度领导力与真实连接:对话苏珊·凯恩" summary: "本对话中,挪威财富基金CEO Nicolai Tangen与《安静》作者苏珊·凯恩深入探讨了内向者、外向者及高敏感人群(HSP)在AI时代、社交媒体与组织管理中的独特价值。凯恩剖析了内向型领导力优势、中外文化差异以及摆脱‘毒性积极性’、追求真实连接的重要性,并为年轻人如何寻回真实的自我提供了建议。" area: "society-thinking" category: "psychology" project: [] tags:
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策略性临在:重构AI时代的权力平衡
在人工智能(AI)和数字化工具迅猛发展的背景下,人际沟通的形式正在经历深刻重构。对于内向者(Introvert:指通过独处获取心理能量、偏好低刺激环境的人群)而言,AI和网络媒介最初提供了一种超越传统“始终在线”的高频社交模式,使他们能够通过文字和非同步沟通发挥自身的深度思考优势。虽然文化中的自我表现(Self-presentation:向他人展示特定形象的社交行为)倾向往往会将这些新媒介重新转化为外在展示的舞台,但内向者同样能以极高的行动力(High agency:个体自主设定目标并采取行动影响环境的能力)去利用这些技术实现其聚焦的个人目标。
尤其值得关注的是占比约15%至20%的高敏感人群(Highly Sensitive Person:神经系统对环境刺激反应更为敏锐的人群)。这一群体的神经生物学特征决定了他们对外界的积极与消极输入都具有更强烈的反应。在AI时代,高敏感人群在维持人类真实性(Human authenticity:不受外界干扰、展现真实自我和情感的状态)方面具有独特优势。由于他们对“不真实性”天然敏感,因而会坚决抵制由机器接管其自我表达与人际连接。在未来的数字化浪潮中,这种人与人之间真实的、去面具化的深度连接将成为最稀缺的生产要素。
Original English Source
Hi everyone, I'm Nicolola Tangen, the CEO of the Norwegian Wealth Fund and today I'm in really good company with Susan Kaine. Now Susan is the author who gave the world of introverts a voice because her book Quiet spent eight years on the bestseller list and her TED talk has been watched by millions and millions of people. She changed how millions of us think about personality, leadership and creativity. And Susan, warm welcome. Thank you so much Nikolai. It is such a pleasure to be here with you. Susan, I'd love to start with AI because the world is changing. Is it changing the relationship between introverts and extroverts? It's very interesting with these technologies in general. I often feel that they often at the beginning offer more promise for introverts to have multiple ways of communicating beyond the conventional ones of being always in person, always on, always activated. And then somehow they end up often becoming additional platforms for self-presentation because that's so prevalent in our culture. So I actually with AI I'm adopting a bit of a wait and see attitude. Yeah. There is a new expression which I hear which is the kind of the high agency people who kind of really leverage the technology to make them even louder and I'm just wondering whether that's one of those things you know which amplifies the extroverts even more. What do you think? Well not necessarily. I mean from the dawn of the internet there's actually been this kind of concept of the people call it sometimes the online extrovert, online extrovert inperson introvert, and introverts are just as high agency as extroverts in terms of having goals that they're excited about, projects that they want to accomplish, and being having high agency in the service of those goals that they care about. And in fact, I would say what is singular about introverts or what distinguishes them is that they tend to focus on one or two or three goals in their lives. They tend to focus on people in their lives that they really care about. If they're committed to a given company or to leading a company, they're like really really really committed. And so so they're high agency in that sense and in that sense being able to mobilize AI towards those highly directed goals can be incredibly amplifying and powerful. So who do you think are going to be more robot proof in the future? I don't know that it's going to be introverts or extroverts or more robot proof. What I would say is that the most robotproof people are going to be the ones who care very deeply about maintaining human authenticity. We as human beings, we evolutionarily designed to pick up a thousand unconscious cues from the people around us. And so we take in information from the people around us without even quite knowing that that's what we're doing which is how we can often tell that somebody is speaking the truth versus telling us a lie. You know you just get some kind of a sixth sense about that. So when we talk about introverts and extroverts I don't know that there's a difference there. However there's this category of person that I talk about a lot in my work. It's a category called the highly sensitive person and it describes about 15 to 20% of the population. Many of these people are introverts although some of them a few of them are extroverts who just like a lot of alone time but anyway highly sensitive people by their nature react more to everything in their environments both the positive and the negative. So, they see a beautiful sunset or a beautiful spreadsheet or whatever it is and they're very excited about it and it's incredibly meaningful to them. By the same token, when there's, let's say, a conflict or an upset in their personal life, they they might feel that more acutely as well. Highly sensitive people care a lot about authenticity before authenticity was ever a word that people were using hundreds of times per day. This is the way highly sensitive people live and breathe. And so for that category of people, I believe there's going to be a huge advantage if that's even the right word in the age of AI because they are the ones who are going to be resistant to letting the machines take over their self-expression and their leadership and their means of connecting with people. And you know as we all know that's going to be the big commodity in the next decade is actually being oneself and connecting human to human.
时代流变与文化张力:从“性格文化”到“个性文化”
回溯人类社交的历史演变,可以清晰看到社会评价体系的轴心转移。在20世纪之前,人类社会处于性格文化(Culture of Character:关注个人道德品质、诚信与内在价值的评价体系)主导的时代。彼时人们大多生活在较小的熟人社区,与彼此熟识的邻里协同工作,个人的“内在价值”(如荣誉、正直和诚实)决定了其社会地位,当时流行的自助手册也主要致力于指导人们如何提升内在操守。
然而,随着工业化和城市化的推进,人们迁入都市并开始与陌生人协同工作,社会评价体系迅速转向了个性文化(Culture of Personality:强调个人魅力、展示能力和社交磁性的评价体系),使得磁性魅力、表达快慢和自我营销成为评判个人价值的主流标准。现代社交媒体正是这一趋势的放大版,常将人包装为“社交商品”而非真实个体。
此外,内向与外向(Introversion and Extroversion)在不同地缘文化中承载着不同的社会价值。例如,美国文化表现出强烈的外向型偏好,推崇自我展示与高调表达。相比之下,受儒家社会(Confucian societies:以群体和谐、克己复礼为核心的东亚文化圈)影响的地区则更倾向于重视内向品质。在这种文化语境中,群体和谐(Group harmony)高于个人出头,“风狂啸而山恒静”等谚语生动体现了将“静默”视为力量源泉的哲学智慧。
Original English Source
It's interesting when you say highly sensitive people of course there are some immediate characters to come to mind of my friends and so on. What characterize these people? Well I mean we could start with with what's happening neurobiologically for these people and that is that they have nervous systems that react more intensely to all different forms of stimulation. So if you think of people you know in your life who react more to a noisy environment like there's a lot of noise and they it just really bothers them that kind of thing. And by the same token they react more to beauty. What's happening is that their nervous system is much more stimulated by those incoming inputs. And what they often have in common as a result of that is a deep appreciation of excellence, a commitment to having beautiful environments or to making beautiful things or products or whatever it is, and to having authentic personal relationships because their very nervous systems will react more in the presence of inauthenticity. And so yeah, I do think that once you become attuned to the presence of this 20% of the population, you do see them everywhere and you become one starts to notice them. And I think the beauty of all of this kind of work about personality and temperament is you quickly start to realize that the world really could not exist without all these different kinds of people. Like you couldn't have an organization that was made up entirely of highly sensitive people. But you also couldn't have an organization without them. There would be a core essence missing there. Is social media making us all less sensitive and less social in a sense? Yes. Because what it is doing and it wasn't like this at the beginning, you know, at the beginning of the internet or even at the beginning of social media. There was a desire to use it to connect, right? Like people would get on Facebook and they would use that to connect with their oldest friends or stay in touch with people, whatever it was. And there's still that aspect to it. But in the years to come, social media has just become an amplification of our already overloaded culture of self-presentation. So like one of the things I researched in my book is about the way that we moved in the 19th or really at the turn of the 20th century from what cultural historians call a culture of character to a culture of personality. So in the culture of character, this was in the time when we tended to be living in smaller communities with people who we knew intimately. And if you were living alongside and working alongside your neighbors, what really matters is inner worth. You know, character like are you going to do the right thing in a difficult time? Those kinds of questions. Are you going to be a person of honor and a person of integrity? And if you look at the self-help manuals even from that era, they were teaching people how to have more integrity. Then we came to the 20th century and people started moving out of their small towns and moving into cities and working alongside people they had never known before and having job interviews and sales presentations. And suddenly what started to matter was how magnetic are you? How charismatic are you? How do you present yourself? And so that's when we came into this era of the culture of personality. And so to answer your question, we're now in the 21st century with social media. And though at first it seemed like it was going to return us to an age of heightened connection with people we knew and love, it has become an amplified platform for self-presentation and for just presenting ourselves as a package as opposed to what we truly are. How do you see differences between the various geographies in the world when it comes to this? Oh, well, that's very interesting actually because there there really are great cultural differences in terms of how we view introversion and extroversion as personality traits. So you will not be shocked to know, for example, that the United States is one of the more extroverted cultures in terms of what it values. If you look at Confucian societies in particular, you see much more of a valuing of introversion because Confucian societies of course are cultures where people where there's much more of a focus on group harmony. And if you want group harmony, you don't want one person standing out too much or drawing too much attention to themselves. You want the strong functioning of the group. So in Confucian societies for example some of the the common aphorisms would be the wind howls and the mountain remains still. So quiet is much more of seen as a source of strength.
神经生物学基础与情境领导力的重塑
现代心理学与脑科学研究表明,内向与高敏感特质具有极高的遗传性(Heritability)。实验表明,新生儿对糖水刺激的唾液分泌反应(Salivation response:自主神经系统对外界物理化学刺激的活跃度)能够预测其未来的行为模式。分泌较多唾液的婴儿拥有更敏感的神经系统,他们在进入陌生社交环境时往往倾向于先“暂停并观察”,以恢复心理平衡态(Equilibrium state)。这种与生俱来的气质伴随人的一生,并深刻影响着成年后的决策风格——例如在商业博弈中,内向者更容易敏锐地识别潜在风险与系统漏洞。
这种特质对组织领导力提出了新的要求。首先,传统会议往往存在“发言极化”现象,少数人主导了大部分讨论,导致大量优秀决策被埋没。其次,根据沃顿商学院学者亚当·格兰特(Adam Grant)的研究,不同性格的领导者适用于不同的团队情境:
- 当团队员工较为被动时,外向型领导能够凭借个人魅力提供亟需的感召力,激发团队活力;
- 当团队员工极具主动性(Proactive)时,内向型领导则能通过深度倾听、吸收建议并赋予员工自主权,从而交付更出色的业绩。
例如前金宝汤公司(Campbell Soup)首席执行官道格拉斯·科南特(Douglas Conant)作为一名内向型领导者,在任期内亲写了超过3万封表达感激的手写信,以这种高度个性化且真诚的方式与员工建立连接,展现了内向领导力的非凡效能。
Original English Source
How much of this is given from birth and how much is it because of the way we are brought up and you know encouraged by our parents? It's a good question and of course we know by now that everything is a combination of nature and nurture but introversion and extroversion and also high sensitivity that we were talking about are among the most heritable of all the personality traits. So like I was telling you at the beginning about how highly sensitive introverts will react much more to stimulation. That's something that you can see from the minute babies are born. So scientists have done these fascinating studies where they'll take newborn babies and they will follow them over the course of their lifetime or for many years let's say and they start with these newborn babies and they give them sugar water and what they see is that the babies that salivate more in response to the sugar water that's an indication of a nervous system that is reacting more to all different kinds of stimulation. So now you take that baby and they're two years old and they go into a play group of kids they haven't seen before. The children who salivated for the sugar water are the same ones who are going to be more quiet in that play group because their nervous systems are sending them the signal that there's a lot happening right now. We should pause. We should check it out and figure out what's going on here and let's get back to equilibrium. And as soon as those kids feel that they're in equilibrium and they've figured out the environment, then you'll see they get comfortable and they start to go and play. And this way of being can stay with us. It's a temperament. So even though we learn all kinds of skills and we have all kinds of experiences as we grow, that temperament can stay with us. And so then you talk about let's say people in a company who are 40 years old and now it's time to make a business decision. Well, if you're the person whose nervous system tends to tell you, we want to get back to equilibrium here, you're probably going to be more attuned to if you're contemplating a new business deal, let's say, you're going to be more attuned to the potential risks along the way or just the subtleties that are involved in the business program because you want to make sure everything's getting to that equilibrium point. So these things affect us in fascinating ways and there are aspects bottom line that we really are born with although we do of course adapt and change over the course of a lifetime. Susan, what are the implications for leadership? How should introverts and extroverts be led differently if so they should? Oh, how should they be led differently? And we should talk also about the difference between introverted and extroverted leaders. But yeah, in terms of being led differently, it's really the idea of leading the actual person as opposed to just leading an undifferiated mass of humans really applies here, of course, because introverts and extroverts have incredibly different needs for a perfect workday. If you go back to that idea of equilibrium and what is it that gets each person into a state of equilibrium and by the way so less sensitive people have nervous systems that react much less to stimulation. So for them the downside and the danger is that they're not having enough stimulation coming at them and then they can start to feel unhappy and bored and sluggish. So we have to take care of that as well. So you want to be creating environments where each employee can have access to the proper amount of stimulation for them so that they could be spending as much of their time in a state of equilibrium as possible. So this shows up in terms of how do we design our office space? Are we making sure that we have spaces where there's lots of interaction and stimulation and noise? Which all of us why introvert or extrovert we all want that at some point during the day and then do we have office places in the office where people can go to be quiet and focus and have their heads down. In terms of how do we design schedules, an introvert will probably function at their best if they can have a schedule where they can focus a lot uninterrupted and get into that state of flow. Whereas extroverted workers will need that some of the time because all good creative work needs that. But they're going to start feeling unhappy if they don't have enough social interaction during the day. So even thinking about how do you structure the day like do you want to maybe have designated zones where there's uninterrupted flow time no meetings and then zones where the meetings can happen. In terms of how do you run those meetings? How do you make sure that you're hearing from everyone? There is a study outside from the Kellogg School of Business that found that in your typical large meeting you have three people doing 70% of the talking. And that is a disaster if you assume that on average everyone has the same number of good and bad ideas and now we know we're only hearing from a few of the most vocal or dominant or senior people, whatever. Well that's a lot of bad a lot of good ideas we're not hearing and there might be an overweing of less good ideas. They're extrovert and also the most highly paid. Often often that's true which then creates the has the cycle keep on going. So your perfect day then you're a self-declared introvert right? Yes I am. Let's say I am a touch more extrovert perhaps. So your perfect day, how does it look? Oh, that's interesting. So I need to have social interaction in my day to look forward to and then I like to have a lot of alone time in between. Every day I try to play tennis and that's partly social, partly not, I guess you could say. Every day I absolutely must have my alone time with my laptop where I'm writing or otherwise thinking. That's incredibly important solo sanctuary time for me. Even when we're on family vacation, I have to have that time. And then usually I like, well, it depends. If I'm spending, if it's a day where I have my family around, I don't really have other social needs. If my family happens not to be around, then I have to be scheduling something at one point or another. And then there's always business meetings and podcasts and that kind of thing. But basically, like I schedule my calendar I can't let my assistant, even though she's amazing, I can't have her schedule a calendar for me because every single day, I'm precisely calibrating it so that I'm getting exactly the right amount of time of social time and solitary time. And it's so idiosyncratic that no one else could do it for me. What happens now? I take over your calendar. You know, I'm going to work for you for a few weeks now. I'm going to take over your calendar. I'm just going to pack it full of stuff. Meeting people, open door policy. Everybody can come and grab you when they want. There is no tennis, no nothing. How what would it do to you? I would just start to feel I'd probably I don't know that I'd really show it, but I would start to feel overwhelmed, tired of it all. Probably not focusing quite as well, just a little bit jangled, more likely to burn out, not enjoying the day by day. As I'm saying it, I'm just talking about myself now. The word that really comes to me is burnout. I would burn out quite quickly though I'd function in the moment. Well, somebody told me that if you pretend to be another person than you are, you burn out straight away. And I guess that's what it is, right? Yeah. Yeah. That it's a cognitive load. You also you're not thinking as well because when you're having to fight against the way you really prefer to be spending your time, there's a kind of cognitive load that's involved with that. So literally your brain is just not quite as fluid as it would be otherwise. Why do we promote so many extroverts, you know, charismatic people to become leaders even then when they're not, first of all, why do we do it? And then of course, are they actually better or are they actually worse? Well, I think there's two reasons. One of them is, you know, the very word charisma means a person who has a kind of magical quality about them. We all love a magical quality and it's a great gift to have that and people like to be around it. So that's just one really simple explanation. But then the other one is this culture that we live in that I was talking about before that since the 20th century we have lived in this culture of personality where we're taught from a very early age that what's most important is to be the most dominant, to talk the most. There's studies that show that people will rate as more intelligent someone who speaks more loudly and who speaks more quickly and all of these things. But in terms of the actual outcomes, what's interesting about it is there are many studies suggesting that introverted leaders deliver outcomes that are as strong or in some cases stronger than extroverted leaders. And that's a really interesting phenomenon and we can talk about the reasons why that is because I think there's a few of them. One is, there was a study, you're probably familiar with the book Good to Great, Jim Collins's famous work, and in that study he looked at the top performing CEOs in the United States at that time, and it was 11 of them. And he found that all 11 of these CEOs were described by their colleagues as quiet, unassuming, soft-spoken, shy people, which is not what we expect. But they were also described as having a fierce sense of dedication to their companies and a real commitment and a real vision for their companies. And this gets into the heart of what introverted people are like because introverts by nature, we tend to invest deeply in the subjects that we really care about and in the people that we really care about. And if you have an employee who's incredibly talented and dedicated in that way, they can end up becoming incredible leaders, but they'll often get to that leadership point through a different means. It's like they're getting there through their commitment and they end up acquiring all this expertise. They end up building networks with other people who share their passion and they end up attracting people around them who also share their sense of commitment. So, it's a very different route to that leadership position, but it can be incredibly powerful. And they also once they get to those leadership positions, they often have a very different way of communicating. So, one of my favorite examples of this is Douglas Conant, who until not long ago, he was the CEO of Campbell Soup. He is by his own description a very shy and introverted person and he really cares about people and you can feel that the minute you meet him. And when he was at Campbell, he would identify who were the employees who were really contributing to the company and he would sit down and write to them these personal letters of gratitude and people would carry those letters around like it meant so much to them. And he wrote 30,000 of those letters during his 10 years at Campbell. And an extroverted CEO would connect in a completely different way, no more, no less powerful. It's just different. So there's these alternative routes to leadership that we don't think about. And then there's also a famous study by the social scientist Adam Grant at Wharton. And he found this is really fascinating. He found that extroverted leaders do produce better outcomes in situations where their employees are not as motivated and the extrovert can come in and deliver a lot of inspiration and charisma and get them going. And the introverted leaders delivered better outcomes than the extroverts when they had proactive employees because in those cases the introverted leaders were more likely to listen to what those proactive employees had to say. The proactive employees would share their ideas and the introverted leader would take them in and think about them and listen to them and that would produce better outcomes in the end. So there's all kinds of factors to leadership that we're not well enough taking into account and as a result we're not cultivating for leadership opportunities many of our most talented people which it's just a waste and a shame.
空间与日程的微观校准:内向者的职场设计
在组织内部,为员工提供符合其性格特征的物理与制度环境,对于防止职业倦怠和提升产出至关重要。内向型员工的完美工作日需要精细校准“独处与社交”的比例。强行要求内向者适应“门户开放政策”或无节制的社交互动,会产生巨大的认知负荷(Cognitive load:处理外在刺激时大脑所消耗的心理资源),导致大脑运行效率降低,甚至诱发快速的职业倦怠(Burnout:个体在长期高压社交或工作刺激下产生的身心俱疲状态)。
因此,现代企业应当推动混合办公制(Hybrid work model:结合居家与办公室工作的弹性工作模式)以及办公室空间的多元化设计:
- 多感官办公空间设计:既要提供充满互动、活力和适度噪音的协同区域,也必须提供允许员工屏气凝神、深度专注的“安静避风港”;
- 日程防干扰机制:设计免受会议打扰的“深度专注区时间”,保护员工进入心流(Flow:完全沉浸于当前活动并获得高度满足感的心理状态)的可能性;
- 尊重社交需求的个体差异:即使是极度内向的创作者(例如苏珊·凯恩本人),通常也偏好在咖啡馆等“有人的环境”中进行写作,这种“温和的社会临在”表明,内向者的社交需求是精细且情境化的,不可简单化地等同于自我孤立。
Original English Source
So now we are establishing a new company and it's called Susan Kane Limited and we produce great stuff and do incredible we just do incredible things. Now you are the CEO. You are now building up this company, recruiting the people you want, making the mix of people you want, do whatever you want. Just how do you how do you go about it? What is the right mix? Um, you know, who do you recruit? Just how do you think about all these things? Well, I mean, I I assume you're asking kind of from a temperament point of view. And what I would really want to do is create is hire a mix of people, a mix of introverts and extroverts. We know that teams who have introverts and extroverts on them, mixed teams do the best. Because introverts and extroverts really like each other. Like they like working with each other. They compliment each other. And you see it in marriages too. I mean, I'm married to an extrovert and that's not an accident. So that's what I would be looking for in the hiring. And I would also probably be looking for a co-CEO or a deputy or something like that who is more extroverted than I am. So that there would be we each get to play to our own strengths instead of having one person try to do everything. It's very important. Is home office good for introverts to some degree? But we all have social needs. So everyone's social needs need to get met just to differing degrees and we all function better with people who we truly know. So there's got to be some way of having that connection and it it I it's really a question of degree. I never write my books at home ever. I find it much too isolating. I always go off to coffee shops to do my writing because I like to have people around me. So these things are not always as as predictable as you might think. But yeah, I do believe hybrid is the way to go.
接纳脆弱性:解构“毒性积极性”与追寻悲喜交织的智慧
在主流企业文化和社交语境中,往往存在一种毒性积极性(Toxic positivity:对快乐、兴奋情绪的过度崇拜,强制要求个体隐匿一切负面情绪的文化倾向)。这种文化强迫人们无论何时何地都必须展现出亢奋、快乐的假面。研究表明,压抑负面感受并强行表露积极情绪不仅消耗巨大的精神能量,还会阻碍真正的人际信任与合作。相反,接纳悲喜交织(Bittersweet:敏锐感知生命中快乐与忧伤并存、世事易逝并以此获得更深层幸福感的心理取向)能够让人更深刻地品味当下的每一刻,并认识到人类共有的脆弱性。
哈佛商学院对墨西哥湾某石油钻井平台(Oil rig)的研究提供了一个极佳的实操案例。传统的钻井平台充满高度男性化的硬汉文化,员工被要求时刻表现出强硬、自信且无所不知。通过引入开放坦诚的沟通机制,允许员工分享家庭困难、个人脆弱与安全隐忧,该平台的事故率显著骤降,生产率大幅攀升。这一系统反馈证明,当员工无需再为表演“完美与坚强”而支付认知成本时,组织整体的安全性与执行力反而能获得根本性的提升。对于青年一代而言,在面临社会的千百种塑造压力时,寻找童年时期的纯粹热爱往往是重拾内在真实自我、明确人生志向的最佳指引。
此外,在面对人生选择时,哪怕一时的决策偏离了所谓的“天命”(Calling),也往往能为未来的视野开拓积累意想不到的财富。诚如凯恩所言,她曾做过七年的企业律师,虽偏离了作家的初心,却使她深入了解了商业世界并塑造了她如今的敏锐视角。在重度数字化的今天,重新回归纸质书阅读,亦是人们对抗屏幕疲劳、重建内在秩序的主动防御手段。
Original English Source
Susan, 10 years after you wrote Quiet you wrote another book, Bittersweet. I read it as someone where I was quite down and it just resonated so incredibly with me. Tell me what is a bittersweet personality? It's a personality that understands and is aware of the fact that in our lives and in this world there is always a mix of joy and sorrow. That that's just part of the nature of being human. And that paradoxically to live with that awareness and with an awareness of mortality and all of it leads to a richer form of happiness in the end. Because it leads you to appreciate each moment and and there's also just a curious beauty in it all. I mean, as you know, from reading the book, I I actually got started on this quest because I was curious about why I kept having such an ecstatic reaction to listening to minor key sad music. And it didn't make sense. It's like this music that is by by definition sad music. Why would it make me happy? But there is a kind of heightened joy that comes from realizing just the fragility of being human and the fact that all our fellow humans were equally fragile and there's a a kind of connection in it all and a savoring of each moment that comes with that outlook on the world. You are critical to what some people call toxic positivity. What is that? Well, it's the insistence, the unspoken insistence that people show up every day at work or anywhere really with a relentlessly happy presentation. I think about this all the time. I often get called in to do Zoom calls where it's like a company or a group of employees or something and everyone gets on the Zoom and the person who's leading it will ask everyone you know tell us in the chat what are you how are you feeling right now and everyone types the chat I'm feeling great I'm feeling excited I'm feeling happy and like there's no way that's true there's no way that all those people are feeling that way and yet there is this expectation that that's what we have to perform for each other. Now, I'm not saying actually that we should have workplaces where people feel the opposite expectation that they should be disclosing everything that they feel, the the good, the bad, the sad, the happy. But when there's the expectation that you have to kind of pretend to be happy in a way that you're not, that that is an unspoken load. Not only because it takes so much energy out of the individual people, but the real issue is the connections that don't actually happen when we're performing that kind of positivity. And you know in the book I talk about a Harvard Business School study of an oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico. And this oil rig had an incredibly masculine culture where you had to present a very positive face all the time. And also you had to present that you always knew what you were doing. You had no doubts. Nothing bothered you. And then what happened was this oil rig was moving to an even bigger oil rig. It was going to be more dangerous, more challenging, the whole thing. And the CEO, this guy named Rick Fox, he decided he was worried about this move and about the safety implications. And he started bringing all his workers into rooms where they would talk to each other from morning until night. They holed up together for like 10 days in a row and really encouraged each other to share what was happening in their personal lives, their family lives to the extent they wanted to. And they developed a completely new and more open way of connecting with each other. And as a result, the accident rates, even once they had moved to the more dangerous, bigger oil rig, the accident rates plummeted and their productivity went way up. And a lot of this was just a result of the guys no longer feeling like they had to pretend that they knew what they were doing when they didn't. Or if they saw that there was a problem in the machinery, they would feel comfortable saying to their co-workers, "There's a problem here. What should we do about it?" And these subtle little shifts of a culture can make a huge difference. But positivity isn't that a good thing. I mean, positive people are on average happier, aren't they? They recover easier from setbacks. they make more money. I mean, how how wrong is it to be positive? I mean, being the point is not so much positive, negative. It's great whenever we're feeling positive, it feels very good. It feels good to be around positive people. The point more is to be able to be more or less what you actually are. Is it a choice? Is positivity a choice there? It's a very good question because we definitely I would say in micro moments have the ability to do things like fake it until you make it or to decide I you know I'm going to put on a smile and that's actually going to make me feel better temporarily in the moment. I'm not even talking so much about momentby-moment choices as I am kind of a broader outlook. I think it's kind of funny because every time I'm asked to send pictures to a US speaker engagement, I get the picture back and I'm asked to send a new one with a bigger smile on. Oh, that's so interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Cuz I I never smile on pictures because I don't think life is that funny, you know. That's very very interesting. Yeah. Interesting. I was just having dinner the other night with a couple. The guy is American and the gal is from the Czech Republic and we were talking about those cultural differences and how like you look at pictures of people from the Czech Republic like no one's smiling in the pictures so same thing and from the US point of view that looks so surprising. Talking about what's the biggest mistake you have done in your life? The biggest mistake, that's interesting, something I ask myself about all the time is, you know, I wanted to be a writer from the time I was four years old, but I went to law school and I worked as a corporate lawyer for about seven years. And there are some ways in which that was a mistake because I was spending such a large part of my extremely like productive like inexhaustible years doing something that ultimately wasn't really my calling. But I don't know, in the end, I don't exactly regret it because I feel like I wouldn't have the outlook that I have now without having had that experience in the hardcore business world and one thing just led to the other. So, yeah. What are you um what are you reading just now? Um I just finished an incredible novel called uh Flashlight by Susan Choy. It's about a Korean family living in Japan um in the World War II years. I love learning about history through reading novels. I will say, by the way, I don't know if you're noticing this, but I went through a period of time where I wasn't reading very many books and I was really worried about the the future of books because I saw that I wasn't reading and I like I was always such a reader all my life and I felt like well if I'm not reading no one must be. And all of a sudden in the last 6 months or 12 months, I'm back to books again. And I think it is a kind of just reaction, you know, to to everything being screens. And so I'm hoping that I'm a kind of human barometer here. And I'm not the only one. But how about you? Are you reading books right now? I'm I'm reading all the time. Um, I just think it's the most incredible thing and that's how I spend my my holidays. But I don't finish all the books. I don't think you need to finish books. I think they really need to deserve to be finished and so I probably finish um I agree. Yeah. Not all of them. That's to be frank. Have you read um Ian McIll? He wrote The Master and His Emissary. I've been reading a lot of his work lately and I think he's fantastic. He writes about the left and right hemisphere of the brains. I think you would like it. I'll put it on my list. Susan, lastly, what is your um advice to young people? My advice to young people is to think about what did you really love and who were you really when you were a child? Because that gives you the clue to who you really are. And you're getting so much pressure in a thousand different ways. Not just about introversion, extroversion, just a thousand different things. You're getting pressure to go in direction X. And if you remember what your childhood self was, it will tell you what you really want. That's a beautiful piece of advice and it's the first time I've ever heard it on this podcast. So, big thank you. You're very welcome, Susan. It's been great having you on. Uh big thank you for all you've done in terms of increasing our understanding of this super important uh topic. I mean it means life and kind of life and death to so many people every day. So big thank you. Oh my gosh. Big thank you for having me on and for this podcast. Really enjoyed it.
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媒体/书籍: Quiet, Bittersweet