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OnPolitics 播客探讨安省汽车制造、市政选举与历史政治议题

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摘要

节目探讨了 Stellantis 试图脱手宾顿工厂引发的关注，并介绍即将到来的市政选举动态与市长辩论筹备。同时，节目跟进安省财务审计办公室对公款支出的监督，并回顾了省长任内去世的历史事件及回答听众关于旗帜维护规范的问题。
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欢迎大家收听 OnPy 播客。我是 Steve Paikin，

英文原文 Welcome everyone to the OnPy podcast. I'm Steve Pacin

我是 John Michael McGrath。

英文原文 >> and I'm John Michael McGrath.

本期看点

今天在节目中，我们密切关注汽车制造业，因为 Stellantis 正试图摆脱其位于宾顿（Brampton）的工厂。政府会通过起诉来阻止这种情况发生吗？

英文原文 >> Today on the pod, we're keeping an eye on the auto manufacturing sector as Stalantis tries to rid itself of its plant in Bmpton. Will governments sue to prevent that from happening?

从现在起到 10 月 26 日选举日，我们将开启全新的每周市政选举观察，今天重点关注本省最精彩的其中两场竞选。

英文原文 >> We're starting a new weekly municipal election watch from now until election day on October 26th with the AX today on two of the best races in the province.

安大略省财务审计办公室（Financial Accountability Office）仍在持续监督省政府如何支出纳税人的钱。我们将跟进那里的最新进展。

英文原文 >> Ontario's financial accountability office is still monitoring how the province spends your tax dollars. We'll check in on the latest developments there.

在专栏环节，我的专栏将探讨解决 TTC（多伦多公车局）问题的一个设想。

英文原文 >> And in your column, my column, I will look at one idea for fixing the TTC.

我则写了一篇有点奇特的专栏，讨论如果省长在任内去世会发生什么。这种情况以前发生过一次，就在 112 年前的这周，发生在那位身上。

英文原文 >> And I've got a bit of a bizarre column on what happens if the premier dies in office. It happened once before, 112 years ago this week to this guy.

今天是 2026 年 9 月 25 日。那我们就开始吧。

英文原文 >> It's September 25th, 2026. So, let's get to it.

国际耕作节与历史趣闻

JMM，你好啊，先生。

英文原文 >> J&M. Hello, sir.

很高兴见到你，伙计。开场先来点甜头。

英文原文 >> Good to see you, pal. Little sugar for starters here.

确实如此。

英文原文 >> Yes, indeed.

今天穿的这是什么装备？

英文原文 >> What are we sporting today?

这是一件支持我们家族水气农夫（moisture farmers）的衬衫。嗯，本周当然是国际耕作节（International Plowing Match），农业事务是所有省政党领袖最关心的事情，而且……

英文原文 >> This is a a shirt to support our family moisture farmers. Um it is of course the week of the international plowing match when agricultural matters are top of mind for all uh provincial leaders and uh

我知道，你看，这是每年都会有的事，我特意留着这件衬衫等这周拿出来穿，因为这是我能找到的最契合非常极客的《星球大战》或《星际迷航》梗——就像我们在播客里喜欢调侃的那样，或者至少像我喜欢调侃的那样——与农业事务交集的东西。所以……

英文原文 >> I knew, you know, it's something that comes every year and I had this shirt just waiting for this week to to come out because it's the closest thing I can find to the intersection of a very nerdy Star Wars or Star Trek reference as we like to make. uh on this podcast or at least as I like to and uh and agricultural matters. So,

你知道吗，国际耕作节向来是一年中最有趣的活动之一，因为当然会有省议会（Queen's Park）各大政党领袖这些城里人，全都爬上拖拉机，试图犁出一道笔直的犁沟，然后……我觉得用“笑料百出”来形容是最贴切不过的了。

英文原文 >> do you know the international plowing match is always one of the funniest events of the year because of course you've got a bunch of city slickers who are the leaders of the major parties at Queens Park who all get up on a tractor and try to plow a straight furrow and and uh hilarity ensues I think is the best way to put it.

是的。

英文原文 >> Yes.

对。

英文原文 >> Yeah.

没错。显得有点格格不入。嗯，你看，往年情况有所不同，但当然，其中两位大党领袖，省长和官方反对党领袖，不仅是城市选区的省议员（MPP），而且还是多伦多选区的省议员。嗯，所以是的，尽管坦率地说，到了这个时候道格·福特（Doug Ford）已经练了好几年了。我好奇他的犁沟是不是犁得更好了。

英文原文 >> Yes. A bit of a bit inongruous. Um, and you know, it's different in other years, but of course like two of the major party leaders, the premier and the uh leader of the official opposition are not just like city MPPs, but they are like Toronto MPPs. Um, so yeah, it's although frankly at this point Doug Ford has several years of practice. I wonder if his furrows have gotten better.

我不知道。不过迈克·施赖纳（Mike Schreiner）原籍是美国的堪萨斯州。据我上次了解，堪萨斯是一个农业大州。没错。所以他应该很擅长这个。我们拭目以待。是的，我们拭目以待。好。我这周穿的是……我身上印的是詹姆斯·惠特尼（James Whitney）。我现在不会过多谈论他，因为我这周的专栏——稍后我们会讨论——全都是关于 112 年前的这周发生在他身上的事。实际上，可能就是 112 年前的今天。今天几号？今天是 25 号。对，就是今天。所以，112 年前的今天，詹姆斯·P·惠特尼在任内猝逝，他是自 1867 年以来安大略省历史上唯一一位在任上去世的省长。现实情况是，我们并没有美国那样完善的接班规划——在美国如果总统去世，副总统会自动接任。所以这其中大有文章，我们在节目后半部分会谈到。

英文原文 >> I don't know. Now Mike Shriner is originally from Kansas in the United States. Now Kansas, last I checked, is a pretty agricultural state. Yes. So, he ought to be good at this. We shall see. Yes, we shall see. Okay. I'm wearing this week. I'm wearing James Whitney. And I'm not going to talk about him too much right now because my column this week, so we will discuss it later, is all about what happened to him 112 years ago this week. Actually, it might be 112 years ago today. What's the date today? It's the 25th today. Yeah, today. So, 112 years ago today, James P. Whitney drop dead in office and he's the only premier in Ontario history since 1867 to die in office. And the reality is we don't quite have the succession planning that they have in the United States where if the president dies the VP automatically takes over. So there is a story here and we will get to it later in the show.

更正上期勘误

好的。

英文原文 >> Okay.

那么，你之前想更正上周的一些内容，对吧？

英文原文 >> So now you wanted to correct something from last week, eh?

是的。我说话说急了。在上周的节目中，我提到温莎的大使桥（Ambassador Bridge）和温莎隧道（Windsor Tunnel）都是私有的。那是错误的。大使桥当然是私有的。温莎隧道则是公有、私营的。所以，对于说错这点我表示歉意。有多位听众联系我们来纠正事实。我很欣慰我们有这么细心的听众。我想感谢来自阿默斯特堡（Amherstburg）的听众 Connor Tape，以及 John Haldman。John 指出，引述他的原话，他是一名“避开烂桥，但非常乐意走我选出的市政府共同拥有的隧道”的温莎居民。感谢你们两位指出这一点。此外，社交媒体 Twitter 和 Bluesky 上也有多位网友指出了我这个严重错误。因此，我再次对这一错误表示遗憾。

英文原文 >> Yes. I uh spoke hastily. Uh in last week's episode, I referred to both the uh Ambassador Bridge in Windsor and the Windsor Tunnel as being uh privately owned. Uh that is incorrect. The Ambassador Bridge of course is privately owned. The Windsor Tunnel uh is uh publicly owned and privately managed and uh so uh my my apologies for uh getting that wrong. Uh we had uh multiple people reach out to us to to correct the record. So I love that we have attentive listeners. Uh we have uh I I want to thank uh listeners uh Connor tape from Amherstburg uh John Haldman uh who notes quote he is a a Windsorite who avoids the bad bridge but is perfectly happy taking the tunnel jointly owned by my city government that I elect. Uh thank you both for uh pointing that out. Also uh multiple people on uh social media both on uh Twitter and Blue Sky uh pointed out my uh egregious error. So once again I regret the error.

你知道好的一点是什么吗？我们哪怕整天在这里犯错，也会有聪明的观众挑出来。所以挺好的，我们有良好的质量控制机制。

英文原文 >> You know what the nice thing is we can make errors all day long here. We got smart viewers who will call us on it. So that's good. We have good quality control in place.

卑诗省提前大选与历史回响

好的。我知道这是 Ontario 播客……

英文原文 >> Okay. We I know this is the on podcast.

所以我们讨论的是发生在安大略省的事。

英文原文 >> So we talk about things that happen in on Ontario.

是的。

英文原文 >> Yes.

但是 BC 省（卑诗省）发生的事实在让人无法抗拒。

英文原文 >> But what's going down in BC is too irresistible.

实在是有太多可聊的了。那么好吧，卑诗省新民主党（NDP）省长尹大卫（David Eby）宣布提前举行省选了。

英文原文 >> It's just it's too much to talk about. So okay, the NDP premier of British Columbia, David Eie, has called an election.

没错。尽管宣布大选时卑诗保守党甚至连党领都还没就位，因为几周前刚选出的党领已经辞职了，毕竟她半数的党团成员发动了倒戈。

英文原文 >> Yes. despite the fact that the Conservative Party of British Columbia did not have a leader in place when that election was called because the leader who got elected just a few weeks ago has stepped down already because you know half her caucus mutinied on her.

是的。

英文原文 >> Yes.

我们怎么看？

英文原文 >> What do we think?

嗯，此外，BC 省上一次省选距今还不到两年，

英文原文 >> Well, additionally, the last provincial election in BC was less than two years ago,

对吧？所以，尹大卫的批评者们当然指责他在时机选择上表现得相当怯懦投机。尹大卫本人听起来至少有点像去年的道格·福特，说……

英文原文 >> right? And so, uh, you know, certainly EB's critics have, um, accused him of, uh, some pretty craven choosing of of the timing here. Eie, for his part, uh, sounds, uh, at least a little bit like Doug Ford did last year, saying that

特朗普，特朗普……

英文原文 >> Trump Trump

BC 省需要一个拥有全新强有力授权的新强有力政府，以应对来自南面边境的这些挑战。我认为这个论点在去年比在今年更有说服力一些。比如特朗普已经上任 18 个月了。除此之外，至少据我最近清点，尹大卫政府中已有四位内阁部长如今选择不再参选，其中包括一些非常知名的名字，尹大卫党团中部分最受欢迎的成员选择不再参选，

英文原文 >> uh, BC needs to have a a new strong, uh, government with a new strong mandate to, uh, deal with these challenges coming from, uh, south of the border. I think that was a bit more of a credible argument last year than it is this year. Like Trump has been in office for 18 months. Um that aside, we've also had at least as of my last counting, I think there were four uh cabinet ministers in EB's government who are now opting not to run again, including some very prominent names, some of the most uh popular members of EB's caucus opting not to run again,

这很说明问题。

英文原文 >> which tells you something.

是的，这很说明问题。所以当年道格·福特——这里我们把话题拉回到安大略政治上来——当年道格·福特去年选择提前大选时，我是说我们在播客里讨论过的事情之一，我想很多人都谈论过的，就是大卫·彼得森（David Peterson）的魔咒，对吧？如果你提前大选，它会不会让你自食其果？而在道格·福特身上，其实并没有真正砸锅。除了在宣布大选前原本持有的席位之外，他并没有额外赢得什么特别的优势。但他又赢得了四年任期。

英文原文 >> Yeah, it tells you something. Uh so when Doug Ford and here we'll we'll bring it back to Ontario politics here. Uh when Doug Ford opted to call that early election last year, I mean one of the things we spoke about on the podcast, I think lots of people talked about was like the curse of David Peterson, right? You if you call an early election, can it blow up in your face? And it did not really blow up in Doug Ford's face. He did not win anything particularly uh in addition to what he had already held before the election call. got four more years though.

没错。他把任期时钟重置了。嗯……

英文原文 >> Exactly. He he reset the clock. Um

我不好说。现在还是初期阶段，我真的不想做出太大胆的预测，但对我来说，这次竞选活动最初几天的局面，似乎比道格·福特在他提前大选初期所面临的局面要更坎坷一些。而且我认为尹大卫政府确实存在把事情搞砸的可能。我记得 1990 年大卫·彼得森在四年任期的第三年宣布提前大选，坦白讲从策略上来说绝不是一个愚蠢的决定，保守党刚刚选出了新领袖迈克·哈里斯（Mike Harris），而新民主党在本省过去从来都不是一个被看好的选项，再加上经济衰退即将到来，所以彼得森并非不理性地认为：我提前举行选举以抢在衰退之前，而且你知道，我们可能会丢掉一些议席，因为他进入大选前拥有安大略历史上规模最大的多数党政府，但他心想，你知道，我们至少能够让品牌焕然一新。绝不是一个疯狂的想法。你看，我是说他内阁中 99% 的人都赞成。只有一位坚持反对，格雷格·索尔巴拉（Greg Sorbara）。不过话说回来，我扯远了。关键在于，我记得当时报道过伊恩·斯科特（Ian Scott）。伊恩·斯科特是彼得森政府的总检察长，我报道了他的提名大会，会后我走上前去找他。当时我想大概是宣布大选的当天或次日。他在离这儿不远的地方开提名会。我问：“提前大选，你怎么看？”他说：“是啊，人们会为此气愤几天，但瞧着吧，他们不会把保守党请回来的。他们五年前才刚把保守党赶下台。”而且你看，人们究竟能怎么做？投给新民主党吗？结果事实证明，人们恰恰就是这么做的，或者至少有足够多的人这么做了，从而让鲍勃·雷（Bob Rae）……

英文原文 >> I don't know. It's it's early days and I really uh I don't want to do anything as bold as make a prediction, but the first few days of this election campaign seem to me to be a bit rockier than uh what Doug Ford faced uh early in his uh early election call. Um and I I think there's definitely potential for this to go sideways for EB's government. I remember in 1990 when David Peterson called an election three years into a four-year term uh in not a strategically not a dumb decision at all frankly the conservatives had just cho chosen a new leader on Mike Harris and of course the new Democrats had never been an option in the past in this province and there was a recession coming so Peterson not irrationally thought I'll call an early election and get out ahead of the recession and you know we'll probably lose some members because he had the biggest majority government in Ontario history going into the election, but he thought, you know, at least we'll be able to refresh the the brand. Not a crazy idea at all. Look at I mean, 99% of his cabinet went along with it. There was one hold out, Greg Sorbber. But anyway, I digress here. Um, the point is I remember covering Ian Scott. Ian Scott was the attorney general in the Peterson government and I covered his nomination meeting and I went up to him afterwards. This was I think the day or the day after the election call. He had his nomination meeting not far from here. And I said, "Early call. what do you think? And he said, "Yeah, people will be steamed about it for a few days, but look, they're not going to bring the Conservatives back. They just dumped them 5 years ago." And you know, really, what are the people going to do? Vote NDP? Well, it turns out that's exactly what they did to or at least enough of them did to give Bob Ray

以及在 1990 年的新民主党多数政府。

英文原文 and the NDP uh the majority government in 1990.

我们再多说几点。第一，当反对党还没有党领就位时，省长提前宣布大选有任何违法之处吗？没有。

英文原文 >> Let's say a couple other things here. Number one, is there anything illegal about the premier calling an election when the opposition party doesn't have a leader in place? No.

这是合法的。完全合法。嗯，完全在省长的职权范围之内。

英文原文 >> It's legal. Absolutely. Uh totally within the powers of the premier.

确实如此。那么，这样做是否有些不够体育道德，或者说是否违反了大选期间所谓的昆斯伯里侯爵规则精神？

英文原文 >> Absolutely. And now is there something kind of unsporting about it or does it violate the spirit of you know Marcus of Queensbury rules at election time?

是的，有点那个意思。呃，公众会不会因为省长显然是在为了个人目的、而不是公众利益去召集大选而惩罚他？因为如果公众认为你做的事情符合你的利益却不符合他们的利益，他们总有办法惩罚你。嗯，你知道，大约 30 天后我们就会见分晓了。本周早些时候我去参加了一个活动，有机会与前省长凯瑟琳·韦恩交谈，她在 2018 年也遇到过完全不无相似的处境，当时进步保守党当然经历了一次非常突如其来的领导层更迭，并在随后的几个月里陷入了些许混乱。而且……

英文原文 >> Yeah, kind of. Uh will the public punish the premier for what pretty obviously looks like an attempt to call an election for his purposes as opposed to for the public's purposes? because the public has a way of punishing you if they think they're you're doing stuff that's in your interest but not in their interest. Well, you know, we'll find out in 30 some odd days. So, I was uh at an event uh earlier this week and had the opportunity to speak to uh former Premier Kathleen Wyn, who was presented with a not entirely dissimilar situation uh in 2018 when of course the uh Progressive Conservative Party uh went through a very sudden uh leadership change uh and found themselves in in a little bit of disarray for uh you know, a few months there. And uh

只是提醒大家，当时帕特里克·布朗原本在位。

英文原文 >> just remind everybody Patrick Brown was in.

接着他退出了。三个月后道格·福特击败了克里斯汀·埃利奥特。

英文原文 >> Then he was out. Three months later Doug Ford beat Christine Elliot.

3 个月后福特就当上了省长。

英文原文 >> 3 months later Ford was premier.

是的。所以我确实问了前省长，你是否认为在 2018 年保守党处于一片混乱之际，你错过了召集大选的机会？呃，她的回应基本上是，她认为戴维·埃比冒了巨大的风险，而且呃，她并没有明确说她认为这对他不会有回报。呃，但我认为单纯基本的评估就是，这实际上是一步极其冒险的棋；而且正如我所说，这场竞选才进行了几天，我认为下行风险看起来就已经非常明显了。

英文原文 >> Yes. And so I did ask uh the former premier uh do you think that you missed an opportunity in 2018 to call an election when the Tories were uh in a in a bit of chaos? uh and and her response was basically that she thinks that David Eie has taken an enormous risk and uh she did not quite say that she doesn't think it's going to pay off for him. Uh but I I think just that the the basic assessment that that this is actually an incredibly risky move and and as I say just a few days into this campaign I think uh downside risk looks very evident.

是啊。

英文原文 >> Yeah.

看起来确实不够体育道德，不是吗？确实不够光明正大。好的。我们可以进入下一个话题了吗？继续吧。

英文原文 >> Certainly doesn't look sporting, does it? Doesn't look sporting. Okay. Shall we move on? Let's move on.

斯特兰蒂斯布兰普顿工厂与汽车业前景

开始吧。议题一马上就来。Unifor 与斯特兰蒂斯之间的合同谈判陷入了僵局。工会表示，这家美国汽车制造商正在认真考虑出售布兰普顿总装厂。虽然有一家潜在买家在幕后候命，但如果该买家接手成功，可能也是一次规模大大缩减的运营。这里到底发生了什么？

英文原文 >> Let's do it. Issue one coming right up. Contract talks between Unifor and Stalantis have hit a roadblock. The union has said that the American automaker is seriously considering selling off the Bmpton assembly. And while there is a potential buyer waiting in the wings, it could be a much scaled down operation if that buyer is successful. What's going on here?

好的。我们先从合同谈判说起。呃，Unifor，作为加拿大的主要汽车工人工会，呃，正与斯特兰蒂斯展开谈判。呃，他们此前实施的集体谈判协议已在上周末到期。双方一直在努力达成协议，但斯特兰蒂斯与另一家制造商之间的谅解备忘录浮出水面。斯特兰蒂斯公开了他们与国防承包商罗谢尔签署了一份谅解备忘录。这在这里被暗中用作谈判中的一种威胁手段，呃，以推迟工会对布兰普顿总装厂的要求。呃，提到那个工厂，我们手头确实有一张布兰普顿工厂的照片。你可以看到它外面仍然挂着克莱斯勒的标志。嗯，我猜他们还没抽空重新更换品牌标识，或者那是一张旧照片。嗯，所以，呃，那份谅解备忘录……罗谢尔在布兰普顿制造装甲车辆。他们在布兰普顿有一座现有的工厂，并且在今年早些时候由于一份 1000 万美元的合同而身处某些争议的核心，该合同是为美国移民和海关执法局（即 ICE）制造装甲车辆。

英文原文 >> Right. So, let's start with the contract talks. Uh, Unifor, the uh major automakers uh union in Canada uh is uh engaged in negotiations with Stellantis. Uh the their collective bargaining agreement uh that had been in place expired last weekend. The two sides have been trying to come to an agreement, but a uh a memorandum of understanding between Stalantis and a uh another uh uh manufacturer uh has has come to light. Stantis made public that they had an MOU with uh defense contractor Rashelle. It's implicitly being used here as a threat in these uh negotiations uh to defer union demands uh regarding the Bmpton assembly plant. Uh speaking of that plant, we do have a a picture of the plant in Bmpton. You can see it still has the uh Chrysler sign outside. Um I guess they haven't gotten around to rebranding it yet, or maybe that's an old picture. Um so uh thatou uh Russell builds armored uh vehicles in Bmpton. They have an existing plant in Bmpton and they were at the center of some uh controversy uh earlier this year because of a $10 million contract uh they have to manufacture armored vehicles for Immigration and Customs Enforcement or ICE.

ICE 可不怎么招人待见。

英文原文 >> ICE is not nice.

呃，确实不招人待见。如今在加拿大并不怎么受欢迎。

英文原文 >> Uh not nice. Not terribly popular in Canada these days

在半个美国也同样不受欢迎。

英文原文 >> and not in half of the United States either.

的确。呃，罗谢尔方面则表示，他们愿意为目前在斯特兰蒂斯布兰普顿工厂被解雇的任何工人提供优先就业考虑。呃，该工厂目前至少已经闲置了一两年。呃，Unifor 主席拉娜·佩恩表示，获取军用合同的国防承包商无法与商业企业的规模相媲美，而且你知道，呃，装甲运兵车的市场根本就不如大家所知道的 SUV 和轿车的市场那么大。呃，提出这一论点的并不只有工会。呃，汽车零部件制造商协会（即 APMA）的负责人弗拉维奥·沃尔佩表示，你知道，罗谢尔可以在任何地方建造他们的车辆，但布兰普顿总装厂如果……需要被保留下来，以真正非常大的规模雇佣汽车工人，

英文原文 >> Indeed. Uh for its part, Roshell has said that they are willing to give uh any workers who are uh laid off at the uh for now Stellantis Bmpton plant uh first consideration for jobs. Uh this plant has been idle for uh at least a year or two now. uh Unifor president Lana Payne has said that the defense contractor which procures military contracts won't be able to compare to the scale of uh commercial enterprise and these you know uh the the market for uh armored personnel carriers is simply not as large as uh the market for you know SUVs and and cars. Uh and this is an argument that is not just being made by the union. Uh Flavia Vulp, the head of the U. Automotive Parts Manufacturing Association, the APMA, uh says that, you know, Roshelle could build their vehicles anywhere, but that the Bmpton assembly plant uh if you needs to be preserved to uh employ auto workers, uh really at a very large scale,

前提是得有汽车制造商愿意进驻那里。

英文原文 >> assuming there's an auto manufacturer who wants to be in there.

确实。是的。我想现在需要注意的是，美加贸易战与眼前发生的事情之间存在显而易见的联系。关税促使斯特兰蒂斯采取了这些损害加拿大工人利益的举动。那么，联邦政府对此作何表态呢？

英文原文 >> Indeed. Yes. Now, important to note here, I guess, the obvious connection between the Canada US trade wars and what's going on here. tariffs caused Stalantis to make these moves to the detriment of Canadian workers. So, what do the feds have to say about all of this?

联邦政府已表示，正在向斯特兰蒂斯施加最大压力，要求其继续在布兰普顿造车。呃，如果该汽车制造商真的彻底关闭该工厂，这包括威胁要收回近年来联邦纳税人提供的数亿美元资金中的一部分。呃，安大略省省长道格·福特当然赞同联邦政府的立场，呃，并且也希望在布兰普顿工厂生产一款新车型。嗯，我觉得有必要在这里提供一些历史背景。呃，这家工厂之所以存在于目前的位置，只是因为安大略省和联邦政府几十年前都对它的建设提供了补贴，呃，在它成为克莱斯勒工厂之前就是如此，呃，在克莱斯勒变成斯特兰蒂斯之前。呃，当然，克莱斯勒在变成斯特兰蒂斯之前，是不仅受到安大略省和加拿大政府、而且还受到美国政府极其慷慨救助的汽车制造商之一。嗯，但至少就我们的目的而言，就安大略省的目的而言。你知道，纳税人确实为了保留安大略省的汽车业工作岗位投入了巨资，呃，包括在这家工厂。我认为非常合理的主张是，公众对这里的结果拥有合理的利益关切。

英文原文 >> So, the federal government has said it is putting maximum pressure on Stalantis to continue building cars in Bmpton. Uh that includes threatening to recover some of the hundreds of millions of dollars that federal taxpayers have provided in recent years if the automaker does indeed uh shut the plant entirely. Uh, Ontario Premier Doug Ford of course agrees with the federal government uh and also wants uh a new model to be made uh at the Bmpton plant. Um I I feel like giving some historical context here. Uh this plant only exists where it does because the uh Ontario and federal governments both subsidized its construction decades ago uh before it was a Chrysler plant at all uh before Chrysler became Stellantis. Uh and of course uh Chrysler before it became Stalantis was one of the automakers that was uh bailed out extremely generously by uh not just uh Ontario and Canada but also the US government. Um but at least for our purposes for Ontario's purposes. You know taxpayers uh have really invested heavily in preserving auto jobs in Ontario uh including at this plant. I think it is very fair to argue that the public has a uh a reasonable interest in the outcome here.

我还能追溯得更早。你知道为什么这个工厂会建在布兰普顿吗？

英文原文 >> I'll go back even further. You know why this plant is in Bmpton?

因为我知道当年的省长是谁。

英文原文 >> Cuz I know who the premier of the day was.

你说得对。你说得分毫不差。因为当年那家公司想来加拿大造车时，安大略省省长说：“你想要补贴，就得把它落在我这里。”我想当时的布兰普顿省议员是一个名叫比尔·戴维斯的人。所以这就是他们落户布兰普顿的原因。

英文原文 >> You got it right. You got it exactly right. Because when that company wanted to come build cars in Canada, the premier of Ontario said, "You want a subsidy, you got to put it in my writing." And I think the MPPP for Bmpton back then was a guy named Bill Davis. So that's why they're in Bmpton.

叮咚（答对了）。

英文原文 >> Ding.

搞定了。好的。我知道如果斯特兰蒂斯不想再留在那里的情况下，这家军火制造商是一个潜在的选择。那么是否有另一家汽车制造商入驻并接管该场地呢？嗯，这是个很有意思的问题。我的意思是，第一，从全球范围来看，目前整个行业都存在我们正在谈论的问题，即全球汽车工业存在产能过剩，这在很大程度上要归功于中国制造业。因此，对于是否有任何汽车制造商甚至真的想专门进来生产汽车，是存有疑问的。我们获悉，中国企业比亚迪有一些兴趣在这里制造客车，嗯，因为北美各地的许多公交机构都在对电动客车投入巨资。呃，但我之前为 TVO 写过专栏，其中我想指出的一点是，嗯，在过去的一段时间里，我们在加拿大政治中讨论了很多关于限制性产权契约的问题。呃，主要是关于杂货店的背景，因为事实证明，像罗布劳公司、索贝斯和其他杂货公司一样，他们能够在其产权协议中加入条款，表示说，呃，你知道，如果他们离开曾经设有例如罗布劳杂货店的场地，呃，他们会在产权契据中加入一项条款，表示除非我们同意，否则此地永远不能再用于开杂货店。嗯，这已被竞争局列为一种反竞争的做法。但这不仅仅是杂货店会这么做。呃，在北部地区，我们看到林业公司在关闭旧工厂时也做同样的事情。嗯，各社区有时突然发现，即使一家新公司收购了倒闭的……我

英文原文 >> There we go. Okay. I understand this auto this arms manufacturer is a potential option in the event that Stalantis doesn't want to be there anymore. What about another auto manufacturer coming in and taking over the site? Well, so this is an interesting question. I mean, a there is uh just globally there's this whole issue right now that we talk about of there being, you know, over capacity in in the global auto industry, thanks in large part to uh Chinese manufacturing. And so there is some question about whether uh any automaker even does want to come in uh to specifically to make uh automobiles. We've been told that there is some interest from uh BYYD, the Chinese company to make buses um because uh a lot of transit agencies around North America are investing heavily in electric buses. Uh but I wrote a column uh previously for TVO where one point I want to make is that um we've talked a lot about restrictive property covenants in Canadian politics over the last little while. uh mostly in the context of grocery stores because it turns out that like Loblaws and soies and other grocery companies, they're able to insert clauses in their property agreements saying that uh you know if they leave a um uh a site that once held a Lola's grocery store, for example, uh they insert a clause uh in the the deed of the property saying this can never be used for a grocery store ever again unless we agree. Um, and that's been singled out by the Competition Bureau as an anti-competitive uh, practice. But it's not just grocery stores that do this. Uh, in the north, we've seen uh, forestry companies do the same thing when they shut old mills. Um, and communities have sometimes suddenly discovered that even if a a new company buys a shuttered uh I'm

比如像纸浆厂之类的，呃，他们……他们在产权……呃，记录中发现，噢，不，他们不能把它重新作为纸浆厂开工。他们必须把它全拆了，改做完全不同的用途。嗯，所以我在 TVO 写了这篇专栏，谈的正是这个问题，说你知道，立法机构应该……呃，确保无论发生什么，Stellantis 都不能在布兰普顿（Brampton）市中心制造一个汽车产业黑洞。嗯，他们……他们不应该被允许在这处地块上施加那种限制性约款。嗯，你知道，是否有其他汽车制造商想要这个地块，至少还是个悬而未决的问题。但如果有兴趣，我认为不应该允许现有的所有者阻碍这件事。鉴于为了维持该厂运转已经投入了数亿美元的公共补贴，他们如果提出这种论点，尤其令人恼火。

英文原文 going to say like a pulp mill or whatever, uh they they they discover in the property uh records that oh no, they're not allowed to reopen it as a pulp mill. They have to tear it all down and do something entirely different with it. Um and so I have uh written this column at TVO about uh this precise issue saying that the you know the legislature should uh ensure that whatever else happens Stalantis can't uh create a an automotive black hole in the middle of Bmpton. Um they they they should not be allowed to impose that kind of restrictive covenant uh on this site. Um you know it is at least an open question whether another automaker wants this site. But if there's some interest I I don't think that the current owners should be allowed to get in the way of that. It's particularly gling if they make that argument given the hundreds of millions of dollars of public subsidies that have gone into keeping the place going.

是的。而且这确实是立法机构拥有明确权力的领域，这不像是一个宪法问题什么的。立法机构有权这样做，而且我认为……呃，我是说，关于他们是否应该……呃，广泛地对限制性约款采取行动，完全存在另一个层面的争论。呃，那是一个很有意思的争论。但我认为具体到这个地块，呃，存在非常充分的理由。

英文原文 >> Yes. And and this is an area where the legislature really does have clear authority to this isn't like a a constitutional question or anything. The legislature can do this and I would argue uh I mean there's a whole other argument about whether they should do uh uh take action against restrictive covenants broadly. Uh that's an interesting argument to have. But I think in this site particularly uh there's a very strong argument.

市政选举观察

明白了。既然如此，我们来谈第二个议题。

我们从本周开始将开设一个新板块，并在接下来的 5 周内持续进行，直到安大略省 444 个市镇的选民在 10 月 26 日前往投票站进行地方选举投票。我们称之为“市政选举观察”（Municipal Election Watch）。我们是不是熬了整夜才想出这个名字？真是太有创意、太绝妙了，“市政选举观察”。是的，我们将为您带来安大略各地正在酝酿的精彩地方新闻。我尽量让自己听起来不那么自夸，但早在 4 月份，我就在 TVO 网站上发表了一篇专栏，称全省最精彩的市长竞选是在安大略省的汉密尔顿（Hamilton）。在刚刚主持了前三名候选人之间的辩论之后，我完全看不出有任何理由改变我的看法。这是三位非常过硬的候选人之间一场精彩绝伦的角逐。事实上，你也看了，对吧？你是事后看的。

英文原文 >> Gotcha. And with that, let's move on to issue two.

We are going to start a new feature this week and for the next 5 weeks until Ontarians in 444 municipalities go to the polls and vote in local elections on October 26th. We're calling it Municipal Election Watch. Did we stay up all night thinking of that name? That's so original and so wonderful. Municipal Election Watch. Yes. and we're going to update you on the best local stories percolating out there in Ontario. I'm going to try not to sound too boastful here, but back in April, I published a column on the TVO website saying the best mayor's race in the province was in Hamilton, Ontario. And having just moderated a debate among the top three candidates, I see no reason whatsoever to change my mind. It's a humor of a contest among three very solid candidates. In fact, you watched it, right? You watched it after the fact.

我确实是事后看的。汉密尔顿独立记者乔伊·科尔曼（Joey Coleman）把它发到了 YouTube 上，所以，谢谢乔伊，我确实看了……呃，那个视频。

英文原文 >> I did watch it after the fact. a independent Hamilton journalist Joey Coleman to YouTube and uh so thank you for that Joey and I I did watch uh the video.

你觉得怎么样？

英文原文 >> What' you think?

呃，你知道，显然是三位非常精通业务的候选人。嗯，你知道，安德烈娅·霍沃斯（Andrea Horwath）我们当然非常熟悉，呃，甚至在她担任市长之前，呃，她曾担任新民主党（NDP）党魁很多年，嗯，而且你知道，如果我可以这么说的话，她显然对自己负责的事务成竹在胸。嗯，而且……呃，我对基南·卢米斯（Keanin Loomis）或罗布·库珀（Rob Cooper）不是那么熟悉。呃，但同样，也是精明的候选人。

呃，有一个时刻我确实忍不住笑了。嗯，有一刻，如果我没听错的话——我还特意倒回去听了两遍以确保自己没听错。呃，当时谈论的是关于……嗯，呃，无家可归问题以及汉密尔顿市中心的现状，呃，库珀先生说，你知道，在公共场所使用非法药物，呃，对汉密尔顿市中心来说是一个真正严重的问题。我相信他的话，对安大略省周围的许多市镇来说，这都是个严重的问题。接着在某一刻，他似乎在说，嗯，你去其他城市，就看不到那么多。你……你去多伦多市中心，就不会在公共场所看到非法吸毒。然后我……我把视频停下来并倒了回去，因为我几乎确信自己肯定是听错了，因为我对多伦多市中心相当熟悉，我并不是在轻视这个问题，但我……我想要质疑库珀先生的断言，事实上你在多伦多、在多伦多市中心根本不需要待多久，是的，你就会看到……

英文原文 >> Uh you know clearly three uh really well-versed candidates um you know Andre Horvath of course we are very familiar with uh even before her time as mayor uh she was the leader of the uh NDP for uh many years um and you know clearly has command of her brief if I could put it that way. Um, and uh I I'm not as familiar with Kenan Lumis or Rob Cooper. Uh, but again, uh, smart uh, candidates. U, I did have to laugh at at one moment. Um, there was a moment where I think if if I heard him correctly and I went back and and listened to it twice to make sure I was hearing him correctly. Uh, the issue was about um, uh, homelessness and uh, the state of Hamilton's downtown and uh, Mr. Cooper said, you know, the the uh public use of illicit drugs uh is is, you know, a real serious issue for Hamilton's downtown. And I take him at his word, and it's a serious issue for lots of municipalities around Ontario. And and at one point, he seemed to be saying that, well, you go to other cities and you don't see it as as much. You you go to downtown Toronto and you don't see illegal drug use in public. And I and I this I I stopped the video and rewound it because I was almost certain I must have misheard him because I'm pretty familiar with downtown Toronto and I'm not making light of the issue here, but I I I would challenge Mr. Cooper's assertion that in fact you don't have to be in Toronto in downtown Toronto very much at all to yes, you will see

呃，公共场所吸毒。不幸的是。

英文原文 >> uh public drug use. Unfortunately,

这是一场相当不错的辩论，现场大概有 200 到 250 人，而且这是一场凭票入场的活动。所以它不对公众开放。这是一个特定的活动，凭票入场的活动。而且……嗯，我跟你讲，安德烈娅·霍沃斯确实展现出了她依然实力不凡。她坐在中间。另外两位分别在她两侧。而且……而且很有意思，你知道，当操作麦克风的人……呃，当有人没在说话时，他们就把麦克风的声音关了。而我当时在台上主持。每当库珀先生或卢米斯先生发言时，安德烈娅·霍沃斯时不时就会低声咕哝几句，稍微讥讽一下、开个小炮，但台下的观众全都没有反应，因为麦克风……她的麦克风被关了。所以在某一刻我终于说了，嗯，音响师傅，能……能不能请把所有麦克风都打开，一直保持开启状态，因为台上正在发生精彩的插话，而台下所有人都错过了。这引得观众哄堂大笑。从那一刻起，你真能看出，呃，霍沃斯似乎明白了，尽管有点被另外两名候选人包夹，你知道，他们分坐她两侧，

英文原文 >> this was a pretty good debate about 2 250 people in the room and it was a ticketed event. So it was not open to the public. It was a specific event, a ticketed event. And um I'll tell you what, Andrea Horvath did show that she still got a lot of game. She was in the middle. The other two were on either side of her. And and and she it's funny, you know, when the when the person operating the microphones, uh when somebody wasn't speaking, they turned the sound off on the microphones. And I was up there on stage moderating. And every now and then when either Mr. Cooper or Mr. Lumis would say something, Andrea Horvath would sort of whisper something under her breath and sort of take a little dig, take a little shot, and nobody in the audience was reacting because the mic her microphone was off. And so I finally said at one point, um, audio man, can can you please turn all the microphones, keep them hot all the time cuz there are wonderful aides happening up here and everybody out there's missing them. They got a laugh in the audience. And then from that moment on, you could really see that uh Horvath sort of understood that despite being kind of surrounded by the other two candidates, you know, she had them on either side,

她实际上处于一种可以说是掌控辩论的地位，当其他两人试图对她发表评论时，她能够对他们反唇相讥。一个老练的政治家能够把表面上腹背受敌的局面，转变为让自己在中间发号施令、同时迎战另外两人的态势。她在这方面做得很出色。

英文原文 >> she actually was in a position of of sort of controlling the debate by the way that she was able to sort of take little jabs at the others when they were trying to make comments about her. and a skilled politician can turn a situation where she appears to be surrounded into something where she sort of appears to be in command in the middle and taking on the other two. And she did a good job of that.

是的。确实，那是一场非常有趣的辩论。我……我还必须补充一点，你知道，嗯，汉密尔顿一直是数据中心建设问题真正成为当地政治核心焦点的城市之一。而且……呃，我认为这场辩论展现了，嗯，这场争论的一些复杂性，对吧？我是说，安德烈娅·霍沃斯，省里前新民主党政客，嗯，你知道，我……我认为平心而论，大体而言，左翼立场对 AI 数据中心存在大量怀疑态度。然而在这里，作为汉密尔顿市长的安德烈娅·霍沃斯却在说，嘿，实际上这是一个在地方上值得大力支持的项目。

英文原文 >> Yeah. No, it was a very interesting debate. I I have to also add, you know, um Hamilton has been one of the cities where the u issue of data center construction has really been uh front and center in politics there. And uh I thought the debate illustrated um some of the complexities of this uh debate, right? I mean, so Andrew Horvath, former New Democrat, uh, politician proincially, um, you know, I I think it is fair to say that, uh, broadly speaking, there's a lot of left-wingcoded skepticism of AI data centers. And yet here we have Andrew Horvath as mayor of Hamilton saying like, hey, actually this is, uh, a project that, uh, deserves a lot of support locally.

嗯，综合考虑，是持开放态度的，对吧？只要满足各项要求。

英文原文 >> Well, open to it all things considered, right? As long as various boxes are checked off.

是的。但……但你知道，同时也在为，你知道，市内的一项提议作论证，将其作为当地麦克马斯特大学（McMaster University）的补充，并建立一个有助于维护加拿大主权的数据中心，以便你知道，呃，将加拿大的数据存储在这里，而不一定让美国政府或美国公司获取。这些都是有据可论的主张，当然也是可以辩论的主张。嗯，但是你知道，市政政治有时会打乱那些想当然的假设，这对我来说总是很有趣。

英文原文 >> Yeah. But but you know also you know making the argument for you know a a proposal in the city as a a complement to McMaster University there and a data center to uh help Canada's sovereignty to you know uh uh store Canadian data here that's not necessarily accessible to uh American government or American corporations. Those are all arguable claims, certainly debatable claims. Um, but you know, it's it's always fun to me how municipal politics sometimes uh scramble easy assumptions.

是的，我在这里稍作一点背景介绍，提醒大家，霍沃斯尽管在汉密尔顿政界活跃了 20 年——她曾担任市议员，然后是省议员（MPP），之后作为市长再次回到市议会。呃，上次四年前，她仅以几百票的优势险胜基南·卢米斯。呃，尽管她是政坛老手，而他是政坛新人。这是他们两人继上次之后的又一次对决。然后是罗布·库珀，他是汉密尔顿市议会相对较新的成员，有一些商业背景，他也加入了竞选。我听说了一些民调。我不打算在这里转述，因为我只是不确定它们有多权威，但只能说，我认为这依然是一场胜负未卜的竞选，

英文原文 >> Yeah, I'll just do a little bit of background here to remind everybody that Horvath, despite, you know, 20 years in polit 20 years in Hamilton politics, she was MP city councelor, then MPP, and then back to city council again as mayor. Uh, she beat Kenan Lumis last time four years ago by just a few hundred votes. Uh, despite the fact that she was the veteran and he was the rookie. This is a rematch of those two from last time. And then Rob Cooper, who is a relatively recent addition to Hamilton City Council with some business background, he has jumped into the race as well. I've heard some polls. I'm not going to repeat them here because I just I'm not sure how reputable they are, but let's just say that I I think the it's anybody's race still,

对吧？

英文原文 >> okay?

谈到汉密尔顿时，我们必须牢记一个重要因素，那就是过去六位市长中有五位都是一任就出局，对吧？出于某种原因，这是一座市长频繁轮换的城市。因此在这方面，霍沃斯有点处于劣势，而卢米斯上次以如此微弱的差距惜败，似乎具备这种优势。

英文原文 >> We have to keep it one big factor in mind when it comes to Hamilton, and that is five of the last six mayors have been one term and out, right? It is a city that cycles through its mayors quickly for whatever reason. So in that respect, Horvath is sort of back on her heels a bit and Lumis would appear to have that advantage having come so close last time.

但是，要知道，还有将近五周的时间，所以很多事情仍有可能发生。

英文原文 >> But you know, almost five weeks to go, so a lot can still happen.

是的，绝对如此。现在，我们继续，因为呃，虽然那是一场非常精彩的三方竞选，

英文原文 >> Yes, absolutely. Now, let's move on because uh while that is a really good three-way race,

还有另一场三方竞选正在进行，噢，就在汉密尔顿以东大约一小时车程的一个叫多伦多的小镇上，

英文原文 >> there is another three-way race happening oh just about an hour east of Hamilton in a little town called Toronto,

我想我们也可能想聊聊这个。

英文原文 which I think we may want to talk about as well.

是的。嗯，有时会有一些读者写信说，我们在多伦多政治上花的时间太多了，但我要说的是，这是我们生活的地方，也是省内最大的城市，而且我们打算花点……

英文原文 >> Yes. Um we've sometimes had some readers write in to say we we spent too much time on Toronto politics, but I will say that it's where we live and it's the biggest city in the province and we're going to spend some

它是省会城市。它是最重要的城市。它是一个大城市，而且这也是一场精彩的选战。

英文原文 >> It's the capital city. It's the most important city. It's a big city and it's a good race.

别说是“最重要的”。

英文原文 >> Don't say too important.

它就是，而且这确实也是一场精彩的选战。

英文原文 >> It is and it's a good race too.

多伦多市长辩论与选情

没错。这确实是一场有意思的选战。嗯，所以本周也举行了一场主要辩论，呃，在现任市长 Olivia Chow，呃，我认为可以说是她最强劲的挑战者——市议员 Bradford，呃，他代表我居住的 Beaches-East York 选区。嗯，还有一位相对较晚加入竞争的候选人 Chris Alexander，他曾任国会议员，呃，但正如我直截了当说的那样，他正在确立一种属于保守派但并非 Brad Bradford 的立场。嗯，他向市长和 Bradford 发起挑战，呃，从……

你知道，所有的民意调查都显示 Alexander 远远落后，排在第三位。呃，但这并不意味着他到目前为止没有为这场竞选做出有趣而重要的贡献。我其实打算在“你的专栏我的专栏”部分多谈一点这个。呃，但他在这次辩论中，我认为也是起到了作用。他得到了其他一些观察人士的大量正面评价。呃，这可不是只有我这么说。呃，你知道，《多伦多星报》让他们的专栏作者点评了辩论中谁表现出色，呃，有不少人都说，Alexander 对辩论做出了有益的贡献。嗯，你知道，我们并没有看到民调出现巨大波动。我认为局势基本已经稳定下来了。

英文原文 >> Yeah. And this this is an interesting race. Um so and there was also a major debate this week uh between uh incumbent mayor Olivia Chow uh I would say uh her her strongest challenger city councelor Bradford uh who represents the ward of Beaches East York which I live in. Um and uh relatively uh late entry to the uh competition, Chris Alexander, former MP uh but who is uh uh staking out a uh conservative but not Brad Bradford position if I can state it bluntly. Um challenging uh the mayor and Bradford uh from

you know all of the polling shows Alexander in um uh very far behind in third place. uh but that doesn't mean that he has not made uh interesting and important uh contributions to uh this campaign so far. I'm actually going to talk a little bit about that in the uh your column my column section. Uh but he was also uh I think uh useful in this debate. He got a lot of positive reviews from some of the other observers. Uh it's not just me saying this. Uh, you know, the Toronto Star had their columnists weigh in on, uh, you know, who did well in the debate and, uh, there were quite a few people who said, you know, uh, Alexander made useful contributions to the debate. Um, you know, we're not seeing a a ton of movement in the polls. I think things have basically stabilized.

你说得太客气了。何止是没有看到巨大波动，Olivia Chow 领先 Brad Bradford 7 个百分点，这优势相当可观了。

英文原文 >> You're being generous. We're not seeing a ton of movement. She Olivia Chow's got a seven-point lead on Brad Bradford, which is pretty good.

确实。嗯，而且它一直稳定保持在 7% 到 10% 左右的领先优势。嗯，我猜辩论中值得关注的事件之一是，Brad Bradford 宣布，呃，如果他赢得选举，呃，他将在城市物业税上实行一年的税收冻结。嗯，这是在他之前公布的措施之外的，比如，嗯，对城市的预算支出进行逐项审计。呃，对于任何记得 2010 年市长选举的人来说，这两项内容都非常熟悉，当时 Rob Ford 承诺的完全就是这些事情。而且，需要说明的是，他确实既兑现了一年的税收冻结，也兑现了对城市支出的逐项审查。我们当中那些记得的人也会回想起……

那种对公共支出的细致审查听起来很不错，当然你也希望市政府能做到这一点。但上次我们这么做的时候，并没查出多少名堂。嗯，市政府所做的事情，绝大多数要么是法律强制要求做的——因为市政府当然不能自行设定其支出优先级，省政府对服务水平规定了一大堆要求。嗯，即使不是字面上由法律强制要求的，也是大家通常非常依赖且舍不得取消的项目，如果我可以这么表达的话。而这涵盖了从公园维护服务到图书馆开放时间的一切。呃，当时任市长 Rob Ford 试图大幅削减诸如服务和图书馆开放时间等项目时，这着实成了他在政治上的首批重大挫折之一，因为人们纷纷挺身而出捍卫自己本地的图书馆。嗯，最终市议会并未做出严重的削减，而且坦率地说，你还会得到一些非常滑稽的结果，比如 Rob Ford 的预算主管关于其中一项……

他们能找到并削减的极少数可选支出项目之一，就是像给自来水加氟这样的事。如果你了解饮用水中加氟的政策，它在安大略省依然是可选的。确实有一些城市选择不给自来水加氟。这是回报率极高且成本并不昂贵的公共卫生政策之一，削减它并不能为我们省下一大笔钱，而且主要受益的只会是牙医，因为他们会有更多的蛀牙要去钻。所以不管怎样，我把这些当作一点背景信息提出来，是想说这些想法里有一些是非常眼熟的，它们总是反复冒出来。嗯，作为政策药方，我认为它们并不怎么令人信服。此时或许也适合提一下，我们 TVO 与多伦多大学罗特曼管理学院合作，将在即日起至 10 月 26 日选举日之间的某个时间，主办一场多伦多市长辩论。现在据我所知有 53 位候选人参选，最新消息是，我们不会让全部 53 个人都来。

英文原文 >> Yes. Um and and it's it's been consistently, you know, in that like 7 to 10% lead. Um the uh I I guess one of the notable uh events of the debate was that Brad Bradford announced that uh if he uh were if he wins election uh he will have a a one-year tax freeze uh on city property taxes. um that is is in addition to some of his previously announced measures like um a a line by line audit of uh the city's uh budget spending. U these are both very familiar items to anybody who remembers the 2010 uh mayor election in which Rob Ford promised exactly these things and and you know for the record he he did deliver uh both a one-year tax freeze and that line by line scrutiny of uh the city's spending. Those of us who remember also will will recall that that that

it sounds good that forensic attention to uh public spending and of course you want that from city government. When we did that last time it didn't turn up very much. Um the the stuff that the city does is overwhelmingly things that it is either required by law to do because of course the city doesn't get to set its own spending priorities. The province dictates uh a whole bunch of things about service levels. Um, and if it's not literally required by law, it's stuff that people are generally pretty attached to, if I could put it that way. And, and that goes from everything from, you know, park maintenance services to uh, you know, library hours. uh when uh then Mayor Rob Ford tried to uh seriously cut services and things like library hours, it was really one of his first big political setbacks because you know people came out of the woodwork to defend their local libraries and um you know in the end city council did not uh make serious cuts and you get to some frankly some very kind of silly results where you know Rob Ford's budget chief about one of the

One of the only optional spending uh choices that they could find to cut was like water flidation, which if you know the policy of fluoride in in drinking water, it is still optional in in Ontario. And there are some cities that choose not to flidate their water. This is one of those public health policies that has a really high return on investment and is not terribly expensive and it would not have saved us a ton of money and it mostly would have benefited uh dentists who would have had a lot more cavities to drill. So anyway, I give that all as a bit of backstory to say that you know some of these ideas um they are very familiar ideas. They keep cropping up. Um I I don't find them terribly convincing uh as policy prescriptions. This might also be a good time to mention the fact that we here at TVO in uh association with the Rottman School of Management at the University of Toronto are going to host a Toronto Mayor's debate sometime between now and the 26th of October on election day. So now 53 candidates I think are running this just in. We're not having all 53.

嗯，我前几天其实收到了一封电子邮件。

英文原文 >> Um I actually got an email the other day.

世界上根本就没有那么多的讲台。

英文原文 >> Not enough podiums exist in the world.

信不信由你，前几天有人给我发了封电子邮件，说看到我在哈密尔顿主持前三名候选人的活动时，对方说：“你在辩论中不让所有候选人到场就同意主持，真为你感到羞耻。”我说：“那我们应该请多少人？”那人说：“全部人。”我说：“在上一次多伦多市长竞选中，也就是 Chow 获胜的那次补选中，”

英文原文 Believe it or not, I got an email the other day from somebody who said uh when they saw me do the event in Hamilton with the top three candidates, they said, "Shame on you for agreeing to moderate a debate without all the candidates there." I said, "Well, how many should we have?" And the guy said, "All of them." And I said, "Well, in the last mayor's race in Toronto, the bi-election that Chiao won,

是的，

英文原文 >> yeah,

有 100 个人的名字印在选票上。如果要办一场市长竞选辩论，我们是不是应该把所有人、全部 100 位候选人都请来参加辩论？是的。那人说：“那当然，这样才公平。”我想着：“嗯，你显然从没主持过市长辩论，因为那简直太荒唐了。”不过抱歉，我是把心里话说出来了吗？我不该大声说出来的。总之，我们届时会联合罗特曼学院邀请排名前三的候选人：Chow、Bradford 和 Alexander。敬请关注。让我们回头聊聊，因为夏天时有一位听众，我想他的名字读作 Ben Ritzel。他来自安大略省的北湾，他联系了我们，并告诉我们安大略省有一个几乎没有候选人的乡镇。

英文原文 >> there were 100 people who had their names on the, you know, on the ballot. if we were going to do a mayor's race, should we have had everybody, all 100 candidates up for the debate? Yes. And the guy said, "Absolutely. It's only fair." And I thought, "Well, you know, you've obviously never moderated a mayor's debate because that's just nuts." But, sorry, did I say that out loud? I shouldn't have said it out loud. Anyway, we will have the top three candidates. Ciao, Bradford, Alexander, along with the Rockman School at some point. So, stay tuned. Let's just go back because during the summer there was a listener by the name of Ben Ritzel I think is how he pronounces his name. He's from North Bay Ontario and he reached out to us and told us about an Ontario township that had almost no candidates.

是的。

英文原文 >> Yes.

没有候选人。截至截止日期，没有一个人愿意竞选公职。

英文原文 >> No candidates. No one wanted to run for office by the deadline.

是的。

英文原文 >> Yes.

比如我很好奇自那之后发生了什么。他们难道真的要设立一个完全没有任何成员的市议会，还是怎么回事？

英文原文 >> Like I'm curious what's happened since then. Are they literally going to have a city council with no members at all or what's happening?

对啊。如果举办了一场选举却没有人来参选，该怎么办？对吧。

英文原文 >> Right. So what if we held an election and nobody came? Right.

福基耶-斯特里克兰镇的零候选人情况

对。呃，那是福基耶-斯特里克兰镇（Fauquier-Strickland），位于这里的西北方向，靠近安大略省的科克伦。嗯，安大略省各地所有市镇的提名日是 8 月 24 日星期五，根据法律规定，提名必须在下午 2 点前提交。呃，截至那个周五下午 2 点，福基耶-斯特里克兰没有任何获提名的候选人。无论是市长还是市议会都没有。我想他们当地的教育局倒是有几位候选人，但地方市政一级的政府没有任何候选人。嗯，法律中有一项条款规定，呃，在这种情况下，市政书记官——或者我想说是乡镇的书记官，呃，在市政体制中是由书记官来主持这些选举的——呃，他们可以将提名期限延长到下周三下午 2 点。现在正如你所能想象的那样，当周五下午的新闻头条打出“嘿，我们这里一个候选人都没有”时，人们便重新考虑起自己的选择了。

于是事实证明，呃，到了周三下午 2 点，他们确实找到了一名市长候选人，该候选人现在将自动当选。他们还为其由四名成员组成的议会找到了五名候选人。所以，那里将举行一场具有竞争性的选举。嗯，现在说一些这里的背景，对吧？呃，福基耶-斯特里克兰在过去的几年里过得有些艰难。呃，去年夏天，他们闹了一点公开的财政危机，该镇宣布暂停所有服务，呃，我相信那是去年的 8 月份，也可能是 7 月。嗯，他们基本上把钱花光了，因此从省议会获得了一笔财政援助方案，并且……

但当时情况非常艰难，内部充满了矛盾分歧，围绕该镇的财务状况何以落到这步田地，充斥着大量的指责。在那种背景下，我想你可以理解当时存在一种……

英文原文 >> Right. Uh so this was the township of Fiery Strickland which is uh northwest of here uh it's near Cochran Ontario. Um the nomination day for all municipalities everywhere in Ontario uh was Friday August 24th and by law nominations had to be in by 2 p.m. Uh as of 2 p.m. on that Friday there were no nominated candidates in Fia Strickland. Not for mayor and not for city council. I think they had some candidates for their local school board, but they did not for the municipal uh order of government. They had no candidates. Um there is a clause in the law that says that uh in these cases, the city clerk who or I guess clerk of the township who uh in in municipal government, it's the clerk who administers these elections. Uh they can extend the nomination period until 2 p.m. the following Wednesday. And now, as you might imagine, when the headlines go out on Friday afternoon, hey, we have no candidates,

um, people reconsider their options. And so, as it turned out, uh, by Wednesday, uh, 2 p.m., they did find a single candidate for mayor who will now be acclaimed. And they found five candidates for their four member council. So, there will be a competitive election there. Um now just some of the context here, right? Uh Focus Strickland has had a bit of a a rough uh last few years. Uh last summer they um had a bit of a public financial crisis where the municipality announced that it was uh halting all services uh in I believe that was August of last year. It might have been July. Um they they had basically run out of money and so they got a financial assistance package from Queens Park and uh

but it was it was very difficult. It's been very fractious. There's been lots of accusations about how the city's the township's finances could have gotten to this point. And in that context, I think you can understand that there was a

人们非常不愿意去——呃——市、镇议会。我总说是市，它其实是一个乡镇。嗯，他们很不愿意成为今后这届市政政府的一员，因为我的意思是，无论发生别的事情，他们在支出和征税方面都将不得不做出一些非常艰难、艰难且痛苦的决定，嗯，那个，呃，是的，我、我、我无法想象他们会期待这个。

英文原文 lot of reluctance for people to be uh on the city the town council. I keep saying city, it is a township. Um there was a lot of reluctance for them to be part of this municipal government going forward because I mean whatever else happens they're going to have some really difficult decisions difficult and painful decisions to make about spending and taxing um that uh yeah I I I can't imagine they're looking forward to.

你知道那里有多少居民吗？

英文原文 >> Do you know how many people live there?

多少？

英文原文 >> How many?

我刚查了一下。467人。

英文原文 >> I just looked it up. 467.

是的。

英文原文 >> Yeah.

人口有467人，而且市长是不战而胜（自动当选）。

英文原文 >> It's a population of 467 and the mayor is being acclaimed.

这么说来，该乡大约1%的人口将进入市政政府。没错。昨晚我在安大略省的纽马克特参加了一场活动，那里的市长也是自动当选。

英文原文 >> So something about 1% of the the township population are going to be in municipal government. That's right. Now, last night I did an event up in New Market in Ontario, and the mayor there is being acclaimed.

噢，哇。

英文原文 >> Oh, wow.

约翰·泰勒，他是——我的意思是，你不得不佩服他。他是一位非常受欢迎的市长，

英文原文 >> John Taylor, who is I mean, you got to hand it to him. He's a very popular mayor,

他昨晚告诉我，他在还剩一个月的情况下，就要通过无竞争自动当选赢得今年的竞选。

英文原文 >> and he told me last night he's going to win this year's race

自动当选。

英文原文 >> with a month to go by acclamation.

这可不是一个只有467人的城镇。这是一个将近10万人的城镇。

英文原文 >> And this is not a town of 467 people. This is a town of almost 100,000 people.

是的。

英文原文 >> Yes.

呃，安大略省的纽马克特。所以，如果你看一下全安大略省所有444个自治市，这其实相当引人注目。

英文原文 >> Uh, New Market, Ontario. So it it is actually quite fascinating if you look at all 444 municipalities around Ontario.

这是市长无竞争当选的最大例子——纽马克特。但也有很多地方，议员和市长在完全没有任何竞争的情况下上任。

英文原文 >> This is the biggest example of a mayor winning by acclamation new market. But there are lots of places where counselors and mayors are coming in with no competition at all.

是的。每个市政选举周期都会有——呃，你知道，数十位乃至数百位——呃，议员、市长、乡长、县长，你、你知道这些——呃，你知道我们在市政一级有很多民选官员。有444个自治市，呃，你知道，把所有这些自治市的市长和议会加起来。会有很多人，呃，很多职位面临竞争，但是——

英文原文 >> Yeah. Every municipal election cycle there are uh you know dozens if not hundreds of uh counselors, mayors, reeves, wardens, you you know these uh you know we we have a lot of elected officials at the municipal level. There's 444 municipalities uh you know between a mayor and council for all of those municipalities. you get lots and lots of people uh lots of positions being uh contested but

很多职位也无人竞争，因此就出现了这些自动当选的情况。嗯，它，呃，是的，我想——呃，安大略省市政协会（AMO）已经公布了自动当选的数据，在这个周期大约是四分之一左右。

英文原文 >> many of them also not contested and so you get these acclamations um it uh yeah I think uh AMO released the numbers uh for the acclamations already and it's something like one in four uh this cycle

是的，太不可思议了。以我对你的了解，我猜想在某个时候，你其实已经查过，如果真的没有人参选会发生什么，如果举行选举——如果他们举行了选举而没有人来参选，会发生什么？对吧？

英文原文 >> yeah incredible now knowing you as I do I am I'm guessing that somewhere along the way you have actually looked up what would happen if in fact nobody ran and if you had an election what happens if they had an election and and nobody came right

如果真的没有人竞选议员，一个城镇将如何自我治理？所以我想说的一点是，你知道，按照大多数自治市的构建方式，我们有常设的城市管理架构，对吧？有城市经理或首席行政官，呃，由其真正在日常基础上负责掌管看顾。

所以如果我们举行选举，呃，字面上真的没有任何人被提名，会发生什么呢？嗯，《市政选举法》中有一项条款规定，嗯，如果在提名期之后，或者——或者在选举之后，呃，如果当选官员不足以达到法定人数——也就是，你知道，如果那是市议会合法开展业务的最低门槛。如果他们达不到法定人数，那么职员就必须举行特别选举，呃，来填补空缺。

英文原文 >> what would h how would a town govern itself if actually nobody ran for council so one thing I guess I will say is that you know we have permanent city management in the way most municipalities are structured right you have a city manager or a a chief administrative officer uh who is really the one you know minding the store on the day-to-day basis

So what happens if we hold an election and uh literally nobody is nominated? Well, there is a clause in the municipal election act that says um if there is uh not enough elected officials uh after the nomination period or or after the election uh if there are not enough uh elected officials to hold quorum which is you know if if that's the minimum threshold for the uh municipal council to legally do business. If they don't have quorum, then the clerk has to hold special elections uh to to fill the vacancies.

如果特别选举还是没有人出席参选呢？

英文原文 >> What if no one shows up for those?

但问题就在这里，对吧？你所做的只是有点把问题往后推。据我所知，并没有条款来回答类似“如果字面上真的没有人想参选怎么办”的问题。如果——你知道，想象一下比费尔-斯特里克兰经历过的更糟的情况，呃，并且——比如字面上真的没有人想竞选公职，呃，比如在多次尝试举行特别选举之后。呃，比如在《市政选举法》中据我所见并没有相关条款，而且我、我确实向市政事务部询问过。呃，并没有条款允许部长直接任命一名主管，不像他们——比如像教育部长对学校董事会可以做的那样，对吧？这并不是说如果这种情况发生，立法机构就完全无计可施了；你可以想象，如果真的完全没有人愿意来管理它，立法机构会通过新的法律来接管一个自治市。

嗯，但我——我确实想回到我刚才提出的观点，关于，你知道，各自治市都有城市经理或首席行政官。你知道，即使在我们描绘的这种有些异想天开的场景中，水龙头里也不会不出水。倒不是说，你知道，你的当地图书馆必然会关门，呃，但你遇到的问题是，仍然需要市议会通过预算来合法地，比如，给你的员工发工资，

英文原文 >> But that's it, right? All you've done is sort of kick the can down the road. There is no clause, as far as I can tell, to answer the question of like, what if literally nobody wants to run? What if you know imagine something even worse than what Fier Strickland has gone through uh and and like literally nobody wants to run for office uh after multiple attempts to hold a special election for example. Uh like there there is no clause in the municipal elections act that I can see and I I did inquire with the ministry of municipal affairs. uh there is no clause that allows the minister to simply appoint a supervisor the way they can the way the minister of education can for a school board for example right there which isn't to say that the legislature would be entirely out of options if if you had this scenario play out you could imagine the legislature passing new law to seize control of a municipality if if there was literally nobody looking to run it.

Um, but I I do want to go back to just the point I was making about, you know, municipalities all have city managers or chief administrative officers. You know, even in this somewhat fantastical scenario we are laying out, it's not like the water would stop coming out of the pipes. It's not like, you know, your your local library would close uh necessarily, but the the problem you do get into is that it still requires the municipal council to pass the budget to legally like pay your workers,

这是他们无法做到的。嗯，所以那种情况下你可以想象，省政府可能实际上不得不介入并把事情解决好。

英文原文 >> which they couldn't do. Um, and so that would be the scenario that you could imagine a province might actually have to step in and and figure things out.

议题三：财务问责官报告

太对了。嗯，呃，正如我们所建议的，我们将在现在到10月底选举日之间推出这个板块。因此，如果您有线索，有您认为我们应该关注的选举，请在 onpolitics.org 给我们留言。

说到这里，让我们进入第三个议题。

财务问责官（FAO）发布的不是一份，不是两份，不是三份，而是一组共四份关于政府支出计划的新报告，涵盖了省预算中一些最大的支出项目。医疗保健、教育、社会服务和高等教育。所有这些领域的支出计划都受到了FAO的审视；我们乐意提醒您，FAO是一个独立的机构，不是向省长汇报，而是向整个立法机构汇报。那么，JMM，FAO发现了什么？

英文原文 >> Right on. Well, uh, we're going to, as we suggested, roll out this segment between now and election day at the end of October. So, if you've got a tip, you got an election that you think we should be watching, give us a ding at onpolitics.org.

And with that, let's move on to issue three.

The financial accountability officer has released not one, not two, not three, but a quartet of new reports on the government's spending plans representing some of the biggest line items in the provincial budget. Healthcare, education, social services, and post-secondary education. All had their spending plans scrutinized by the FAO, which is, as we like to remind you, an independent office that reports not to the premier, but to the legislature as a whole. So, JMM, what did the FAO find?

呃，总体来看，这三个——对不起，这四个部门全部加起来——呃，大约占政府在债务利息之外总支出的四分之三。所以，这就是我们所说的项目支出。呃，FAO正在审视政府公布的未来几年的支出计划，并将其与历史实际支出进行比较。这共有四份报告，坦率地说，比我更懂行的人告诉我，呃，罗列大量数字其实在电视上并不好看。所以，我打算快速浏览其中的一部分。嗯，我、我当然会鼓励大家，像这些报告都可以在FAO的官方网站上查阅，他们可以——呃，自己去仔细阅读。

呃，话虽如此，所有这些报告的共同主题是，政府的支出计划远远达不到合理维持安大略人目前所享受的服务水平的要求。FAO根据通货膨胀或人口变化等因素，计算出了他们所谓的“成本驱动因素预测”。因此，你知道，随着我们的人口规模增加，呃，且人口正在老龄化，呃，即使撇开通货膨胀不谈，仅凭这一点就会增加对医疗支出的需求。这只是举个例子。然后当你在此基础上加上通货膨胀时，增加更多支出的需求——呃，就会变得更大，即使你原本并无意提高服务水平。因此，呃，FAO为其中的每个部门计算了这些成本驱动因素预测，并且——你知道，有理由说，如果支出跟不上那个成本驱动因素预测，呃，在其他条件相同的情况下，服务质量很可能会下降。

呃，FAO反过来发现，在这所有四个部门中，政府的支出都低于成本驱动因素的预测，有些情况下甚至少相当多。呃，医疗保健最接近目标，呃，FAO预测从2025年到2028年，年均需要增加4.4%的支出。政府公布的计划在此期间支出仅增加3.2%。呃，这并不让人特别意外，因为政府自己近几年的预算已经显示，呃，医疗保健增长迅速，呃，并且——呃，没有受到像政府支出其他部分所面临的那种成本限制，呃，即教育领域。这便将我引向了FAO审视的其他部门，呃，它们与医疗保健支出是截然不同的情况。对于教育，对于大专院校部——抱歉，是大专院校……研究卓越部……那里边某处是不是也有培训？

英文原文 >> Uh, so taken collectively, these three, pardon me, these four ministries all uh represent about 3/4 of the government's uh total spending outside of debt service. So, that's what we call program spending. Uh, and the FAO was looking at the government's stated spending plans for the next several years and comparing them to actual historical spending. Now, there are four of these reports and frankly I am told by people who know this better than I that uh a fuse a lot of numbers does not actually make for great TV. So, I'm going to breeze through some of these. Um I I will of course just encourage people like these reports are available online at the FO's website and they can uh peruse them themselves. Uh that said, the common theme to all of these uh reports is that the government's spending plans are falling well short of what would plausibly maintain the level of services that Ontarians currently receive. The FAO calculated what they call a a cost driver projection uh based on things like inflation or demographic change. So, you know, as we have a larger population uh that is getting older uh even aside from inflation, that alone would increase the need for healthcare spending. just as a for example and then when you add inflation to that the the need for more spending uh grows even larger even if you aren't intending to increase the level of services. So uh the FAO calculated those cost driver projections for uh each of these ministries and it's it's you know reasonable to say that if spending is not keeping up with that cost driver uh projection uh all else equal service quality is likely to decline. Uh the FAO finds in turn that in all four of these ministries the government is spending less than what the cost driver uh would project and in some cases quite a bit less. Uh healthcare comes closest to the target uh with the FAO projecting a needed increase in spending of 4.4% uh annually from 2025 to 2028. The government stated plan increasing spending by only 3.2% over that time. Uh this is not a huge uh surprise. as the government's own budget for several years now have shown uh health care growing quickly uh and uh not being subjected to the same kind of cost restraints that other parts of uh government spending have been uh namely education which brings me to the other ministries that the FAO looked at uh which are a different story from uh healthcare spending for education for the ministry of colleges and universities sorry it's colleges universities research excellence And is there training in there somewhere as well?

没有，Mures是缩写。总之，嗯，对于教育、高等教育和社会服务，呃，FAO预测呃，成本驱动因素将所需支出水平提高了2%到3%不等

英文原文 >> No, Mures is the the acronym. Anyway, um for education, postsecary education and social services, uh the FAO projects uh cost drivers increasing the necessary level of spending anywhere from 2 to 3%

每年。嗯，在3年时间里，政府的支出远没有达到那个水平。事实上，在大专院校方面——过去几年该领域显然经历了很多动荡——预计政府支出将出现彻底缩减。

英文原文 annually. Uh the government is not coming particularly close to spending that much over uh 3 years. In fact, in colleges and universities where we've obviously had a lot of disruption to that sector uh over the last several years, the government spending is projected to shrink outright.

反对党对此作何表态？嗯，新民主党（NDP）发表了声明，包括伦敦西区省议员（MPP）佩吉·萨特勒（Peggy Sattler）的声明，她是该党的高校事务评论员，表示福特政府正在辜负下一代，并指出支出减少的同时，政府对安省学生资助计划（OSAP）的改革让学生承担了更多的学费成本。绿党的迈克·施赖纳（Mike Schreiner）表示，福特政府的削减正在导致安大略人赖以生存的服务资金不足，并称“安大略人的日子只会越来越艰难”。

英文原文 >> H opposition has had what to say about this? Uh the NDP released statements say uh including one from uh London West MPPP Peggy Satler uh who's their uh universities and colleges critics uh saying that the Ford government is failing the next generation and noting that this lower spending comes at the same time as the government's changes to OSAP have put uh more of the costs of tuition on students. Uh Mike Shriner of the Green Party said that the Ford government's cuts are underfunding the services that Ontarians rely on and that quote uh life just gets harder for Ontarians.

政府对此如何辩解？

英文原文 >> Government defends this. How?

好的。政府表示，金融问责办公室（FAO）的报告只是捕捉政府在某一时间点的支出预测。它们是当前政策的快照，无法反映该政策将如何变化。而且你看，即使在这些报告中，你也能看到预计的支出紧缩水平——这些确实与历史趋势不符。所有这些预计的支出水平，都低于政府在长期内能够切实维持的水平。因此，我认为解读这些报告的一种方式，实际上并不一定是说政府未来3年的支出会少于这个数字。它实际上是告诉我们，政府公布的支出计划实际上与现实脱节。只是政府在未来几年究竟会花多少钱的问题上，并没有真正坦诚。这与FAO在这里指出的问题截然不同。如果我们对政府未来3年预计的花费没有清晰透明的账目，这可以说仍然是一个非常严重的问题，但这与一些反对党根据FAO报告所作出的指责是不同的。

英文原文 >> Right. The government says that uh the FAO reports only ever capture government spending forecasts at one point in time. They are a snapshot of current policy and they cannot reflect how that policy will change. And you know even in these reports you can see that the projected level of spending restraint the these are really not in keeping with the historical trends. Uh the all of these uh projected levels of spending are are lower than the government has ever credibly maintained over the long term. So I think one way of reading these reports is not actually necessarily saying that you know the government is going to spend less over the next 3 years than this figure. Um it's actually telling us that the government's published spending plans don't actually correspond with reality. It's just that the government's uh not really being straightforward about how much it will be spending over the next several years. That is a distinct problem from uh what the the the FAO is identifying here. Um it it is uh arguably still very much a problem if we don't have clear transparent uh uh accounting for what the government expects to spend over the next 3 years, but it's a different one than what uh some of the opposition parties have charged based on the uh FAO's reporting.

我还应该提到，这不是本周发布的唯一一份财务文件。在周四，政府公布了公共账目（Public Accounts）。这算是一份权威的最终账目，记录了政府的实际支出，本案中是2025-26财年。最引人注目的总体数字是，政府录得约130亿的预算赤字，这比他们最初在2025年预算案中预计的极其轻微地少了一点。所以，从这个角度来说，对政府而言算是一个非常微小的利好消息吧。但总体上基本符合我们根据之前的财务报告所预期的结果。

英文原文 I should also mention uh this is not the only financial document to come out uh this week. uh on Thursday uh the government published the public accounts. This is sort of the the canonical final accounting of what the government spent uh in this case for fiscal year 202526. Um you know the the headline number is that the uh government recorded a budget deficit of about 13 billion which is uh very very slightly smaller than what they had initially projected in in the 2025 budget. So uh very very slightly good news I guess for the government in that sense. Um but mostly just in keeping with what we already expected to see uh based on prior financial reporting.

“你的专栏，我的专栏”

明白。那么接下来进入“你的专栏，我的专栏”环节。好的各位，大家知道这个栏目，我们称之为“你的专栏，我的专栏”，在其中JMM和我聊聊过去一周我们为tvo.org撰写的内容。过去这周有什么引起了你的兴趣？

英文原文 >> Gotcha. And with that let's get off to your column my column. Okay folks you know this feature we call it your column my column in which JMM and I chat about the stuff that we wrote for tvO.org over the past week. What uh tickled your fancy this past week?

好的。我想把这称为我们城市拓展报道的一部分。我之前提到了克里斯·亚历山大（Chris Alexander）对选举辩论的贡献，他的竞选团队提出了一些有趣的想法，这是多伦多政治中定期会出现的话题，那就是根据一天中的不同时段，在多伦多公车局（TTC，该市的公共交通机构）收取不同票价的想法。这里的基本思路是在高峰时段向通勤族收取更高费用——有时高很多，有时只高一点——以支付在最繁忙时段使用TTC的费用，部分原因是那是TTC运营成本最高的时候，就像你必须一下子把所有巴士都派上路，以应对高峰时段的人流拥堵。

英文原文 >> Uh right. So, I guess I'm going to call this uh part of our extended municipal coverage. Uh I mentioned uh Chris Alexander's contribution to the election debate uh earlier and uh his campaign has proposed something uh interesting, something that comes up periodically in Toronto politics and that is uh the idea of charging different fairs on the TTC, the city's transit agency uh depending on the time of day. The basic idea here is charging rush hour commuters uh more sometimes uh a lot more sometimes slightly more uh for uh the use of uh the TTC at the those those busiest periods um in part because that's when it is most expensive for the TTC to suddenly like that's you got to put all your buses on the road all at once to deal with the the crush of rush hour traffic. Um

亚历山大具体提议在高峰时段对成年通勤者多收10分钱，这些通勤者在这一周的其余时间通常也会多付10分钱。在这10分钱之外，亚历山大还将普遍提高成人票价。在保护弱势群体方面，他们还提出了一些其他措施，针对老年人、年轻人以及低收入人群。因此，这不仅是增加收入，但确实也包含了这一层。此举的目的在于帮助支付TTC所需的部分维护修缮费用。

英文原文 Alexander is particularly proposing uh 10 cents more during rush hour for uh adult commuters who would uh also just pay 10 cents more generally through the rest of the week. In addition to that 10 cents, Alexander would also increase the adult fairs generally. Uh there are some other measures that they are proposing in terms of uh protecting vulnerable groups uh seniors, youths, uh people on low incomes. Uh so it's it's uh not just uh raising income but it is that as well. Uh the the intent here is to uh help pay for some of the maintenance repairs that the TTC needs. Um

而且你看，这些想法以前就有人提出过，正如我提到的，史蒂文·德尔杜卡（Steven Del Duca）在担任自由党领袖时就曾提议将非高峰时段的公交票价定为1元，他称之为“一元乘车”（buck-a-ride）。你看，从算术上讲，这只是以另一种方式做同样的事——在不同时间收取不同费率。甚至再往前追溯，在2014年，市长候选人大卫·索克纳基（David Soknacki）就提议对高峰时段收取更高票价。我们总是一次回溯到这个想法，但我本周写这篇报道的原因是想说，我们不再处于2014年了，甚至也不再处于2022年了。尽管我觉得这个想法在技术层面很有价值，但我认为目前多伦多许多公交倡导活动所面临的真正棘手问题是，坦率地说，TTC近来就是不太可靠。慢速区和服务中断确实是个大问题。

英文原文 and uh you know these ideas have been floated before as I I mentioned you know uh Steven Deluca when he was uh the Liberal leader proposed uh making off- peak transit use uh a a dollar fair. He called it a bucker ride. Um and you know like arithmetically it's just a different way of doing the same thing charging different rates at different times. Um even going further back in 2014 uh mayoral candidate David Saknaki proposed uh charging more for rush hour affairs. We keep coming back to this idea but the reason I wrote about this this week is to say you know we're not in 2014 anymore and we're not even in 2022 anymore. And as much as, you know, I think there's a lot of technical merit to this idea, uh the really hard problem that I think a lot of transit advocacy is running into right now in Toronto is that uh the TTC is frankly um just not very reliable uh lately. There's a a real problem with slow zones and and interruptions of service. Um

与此同时，TTC乘客拥有的选择比以往任何时候都多。打辆Uber或Lyft真的很方便，特别是在一年中天气较好的几个月里。或者使用该市的共享单车，现在每天运送数万人次。它是本市交通系统非常重要的组成部分。因此，任何提高票价的尝试都会遇到这样一个难题：人们有大量不涉及乘坐TTC的选择。与此同时，解决TTC所面临的可靠性问题的措施都非常昂贵。我们讨论过屏蔽门，就像其他国家、其他城市那样，通过设置一道无法跨越的屏障，防止人员进入轨道，从而避免交通中断。该市预计，在全网实施这一举措可能要花费高达40亿之多。

英文原文 and at the same time, TTC riders have more options than they have ever had. Uh it's really easy to call an Uber or a lift or uh particularly during the nicer months of the year. Uh you use the city's bike share which now moves tens of thousands of people a day. It's a a very substantial part of the transportation system here in the city. And so any attempt to try and raise fairs is going to run into this problem that people have tons of options that don't involve uh taking the TTC. Um, at the same time, the stuff that would address the reliability issues that the TTC is facing uh are all really expensive. We've talked about uh platform screen doors uh like they have in other uh countries, other cities where you keep people from getting onto the tracks and stopping transit that way by just having a barrier that they can't cross. Um the city projects that might cost as much as $4 billion, I think, to to implement that across the network.

我们手头可没有闲置的40亿。所以，这是一个棘手的问题，没有简单的答案。我确实认为TTC需要真正严肃对待其可靠性问题。但是他们需要找到做这件事的资金。亚历山大提出了一些能筹集其中部分资金的措施。坦率地说，并不多。如果我们真的想解决这个问题，我认为资金可能必须来自其他层级的政府，但这同样很复杂。正如我所说，没有简单的答案。

英文原文 >> Uh we don't have $4 billion lying around. So, you know, it's it's a hard problem and there's no easy answers. Um, I I do think that the TTC needs to uh really get serious about its reliability issues. Uh, but they need to find the money to do that. Alexander has proposed uh some uh measures that would raise some of that money. Frankly, not much of it. Um, you know, if we're really serious about this, I think the money is probably going to have to come from other uh orders of government, but that's also complicated. As I say, no easy answers.

样样事情都很复杂。

英文原文 >> Everything's complicated.

是的。你那边呢？

英文原文 >> Yes. How about you?

历史上的四连任省长

好吧。你想聊复杂的？我们这就来聊聊。我们建立联邦已经将近160年了，而我要谈论的是在安大略省160年里仅发生过一次的情况。说来可笑——不是可笑，巧合的是，它恰好发生在112年前的今天。我想聊聊我现在衣服上印着的这个人，詹姆斯·P·惠特尼（James P. Whitney），他在当年是一位非常成功的省长。这是在上个世纪之交的前后。詹姆斯·惠特尼赢得了连续四届多数政府。他是安大略省最后一位赢得连续四届多数政府的省长。在即将到来的下一届选举中，你可能会听到更多关于这方面的内容，因为道格·福特（Doug Ford）将试图追平惠特尼的纪录。是的，如果他继续留任并争取连续四届多数政府的话。

英文原文 >> Uh, okay. You want to talk complicated? Here we go. We have been a confederation for almost 160 years, and I'm going to talk about a situation which has happened only once in Ontario in 160 years. And funnily enough, not funnily, coincidentally enough, it happened 112 years ago today. I want to talk about this guy on my shirt right now, James P. Whitney, who was a very successful premier back in the day. This is around the turn of the previous century. James Whitney won four straight majority governments. He is the last premier of Ontario to win four straight majority governments. You may hear more about this in the upcoming to the next election because Doug Ford will be trying to match Whitney's record. Yeah. If he sticks around and goes for four straight majority governments. Uh

惠特尼被认为是一位极其重要的省长，如果你去省议会大楼（Queen's Park）的南草坪，你会看到他的雕像立在那里。他是安大略历史上举足轻重的人物。好的。进入他的第四次竞选时，惠特尼的身体状况并不好。我是说，他心里一定清楚，自己赢了之后可能活不了多久，而他确实赢了。他赢得了他的第四个多数席位。然后，他写了一封信。他写了一封信，信中说：“如果我去世了，以下是我认为应该……”

英文原文 Whitney was considered a premier of enough significance that if you go to the south lawn of Queens Park, you'll find his statue there. He was a big deal in Ontario history. Okay. Going into his his fourth campaign, Whitney his health was not good. And I I mean he must have known that there was a possibility that he wouldn't last long after he won, which he did win. He won his fourth majority. And then he be he he wrote a letter. He wrote a letter in which he said, "If I die, here's who I think should

继任省长与惠特尼的秘密信件

……事后接替我担任省长。”因为党团内部存在很多派系，而且谁能接任也并不是非常明确。这与美国不同，在美国，总统去世时，显然由副总统接任。我们这里没有那样的体制。我们没有这种体制。我们没有那种谁接下来接任是一目了然的机制。

英文原文 take over from me as premier afterwards." Because there were a lot of factions in caucus and it was not abundantly clear who would get to take over. And unlike in the United States where when the president dies, it's obvious the vice president takes over. We don't have that system here. We don't have it. We don't have a it's obvious who takes over next.

所以他写了这封信。他赢得了选举。他突发脑溢血去世了，

英文原文 >> So he wrote this letter. He won the election. He suffered a cerebral hemorrhage and died

就发生在112年前的今天。呃，接下来发生了什么？好吧。党团聚在一起，他们宣读了这封信，呃，我想通过电视的奇妙呈现，我们将描述接下来发生的事情。呵？还不错吧，嗯？我宝刀未老。嗯，我还宝刀未老。好的，我要……来了。这就是接任的新人。这就是威廉·霍华德·赫斯特（William Howard Hurst），他成为了安大略省北部有史以来的第一位省长。他在议会中代表苏圣玛丽（Sous St. Marie）。他成为了安大略省第七任省长，他就是惠特尼在信中点名的人，信中说：“我知道你，霍华德·弗格森（Howard Ferguson），想接任。我知道你，亚当·贝克（Adam Beck），想接任，但你猜怎么着？我认为赫斯特是合适的人选。”因此，党团没有进行表决。内阁也没有进行表决。赫斯特直接接任了。他的情况并不怎么顺遂。他成了一任期省长。如果你能想象的话，5年后——记住这是1914年，所以正值第一次世界大战。你知道，当时有禁酒令，有征兵制，有很多重大问题。赫斯特实际上通过了第一部允许部分女性拥有投票权的法律。所以在那个时期取得了一些，嗯，不错的进步。但是如果你能想象的话，当下一次选举发生时，赫斯特输给了一场由愤怒农民发起的运动——安大略联合农民党（United Farmers of Ontario），他们推出了候选人，但没有领袖。赫斯特输给了一个没有领袖的政党。没错。

英文原文 >> on this date 112 years ago. Uh what happened next? Okay. The caucus gets together and they read the letter and uh I think through the magic of television we will describe what transpired next. Huh? Not bad, eh? I still got it. Eh, I still got it. Okay, I'm going to Here we go. This is the new guy who took over. This is William Howard Hurst who became the first ever premier from Northern Ontario. He represented Sous St. Marie in the legislature. He became the seventh premier of Ontario and he was the guy named in Whitney's letter saying, "I know you, Howard Ferguson, want to take over. I know you, Adam Beck, want to take over, but guess what? I think Hurst is the guy." So, there was no vote in caucus. There was no vote in cabinet. Hurst simply took over. It didn't go all that well for him. He became a one-term premier. And if you can imagine this, 5 years later, remember this is 1914, so it's World War I. And you know there's prohibition, there's conscription, there are a lot of huge issues. Hurst actually passed the first law allowing some women the right to vote. So there there were some um good advances made during that time. But if you can imagine this, when the next election took place, Hurst lost to an angry movement of farmers, the United Farmers of Ontario, who ran candidates but not a leader. Hurst lost to a party that did not have a leader. Right.

农民们赢了，赢了之后，他们选出了自己的领袖，

英文原文 >> And the farmers won and after they won, they picked their leader

就是欧内斯特·德鲁里（Ernest Drury），他成为了下一任省长。

英文原文 >> who was Ernest Drury and he became the next premier.

说实话，这又回到了我们谈到的关于卑诗省（BC），呃，以及本周开始的选举，对吧？你可能会在选举中输给一个没有领袖的政党。

英文原文 >> Honestly, it goes back to what we were saying about BC uh and the election uh that started this week, right? You can lose an election to a party without a leader.

说得很好。说得很好。太棒了，这让一切在此时此刻形成了完整的闭环。关于詹姆斯·惠特尼（James Whitney），我有一个非常有趣的小花絮。

英文原文 >> Very good. Very good. That's a great that's everything comes full circle right now. I have a delightful little piece of trivia about James Whitney.

好的。

英文原文 >> Okay.

你去过他的墓地吗？

英文原文 >> Have you ever visited his grave site?

呃，没有。不，我没去过。你也不可能去过，除非你是一位非常优秀的潜水员。现在，让我解释一下这是怎么回事。惠特尼葬在安大略省东部圣劳伦斯湖（Lake St. Lawrence）的湖底。你会问，为什么呢？我来告诉你。他原本安葬在一处公墓里，但圣劳伦斯海道（St. Lawrence Seaway）建成后，该公墓最终完全被淹没在水下。修建水道时，惠特尼家族，即他的继承人们，得到了一个选择。你可以将这位前省长的遗骸迁移到位于地势更高处的另一座公墓，在那里人们可以前去瞻仰；或者你也可以直接让他留在水下，毕竟在这之前他一直安息在那里。而他们选择让他留在那里。他的墓碑和纪念碑被成功迁至地势较高的圣三一圣公会教堂公墓（Holy Trinity Anglican Church Cemetery）。但自1958年以来，惠特尼一直身处水下。

英文原文 >> Uh no. No, I have not. nor will you ever unless you are a very good scuba diver. Now, let me explain what's going on here. Whitney is buried at the bottom of Lake St. Lawrence in eastern Ontario. Why, you ask? I'm going to tell you. He was buried in a cemetery which ultimately was completely submerged underwater after the building of the St. Lawrence Seaway. When that was being constructed, the Whitney family, his heirs, were offered the choice. You can move the former premier's remains to another cemetery to higher ground where it is visitable or you can just leave him there underwater where he, you know, has been resting up until this point. And they opted to leave him there. His gravestone and his monument were successfully relocated to Holy Trinity Anglican Church Cemetery on higher ground. But since 1958, Whitney has been underwater.

话虽如此，相反，赫斯特则葬在距离本演播室大约半小时车程的芒特普莱森特公墓（Mount Pleasant Cemetery），他在那里最大的粉丝就是苏圣玛丽（Sue St. Marie）现任市长，并且——

英文原文 Having said that, Hurst, conversely, is buried about a half an hour from this studio in Mount Pleasant Cemetery where his biggest fan is the current mayor of Sue St. Marie and

也是本播客的朋友。

英文原文 >> friend of the pod.

确实，那位就是马修·休梅克（Matthew Shoemaker），他来多伦多时，偶尔会去拜谒威廉·霍华德·赫斯特这位省长，他是来自苏圣玛丽唯一的省长，也是来自安大略省北部的第一位省长。在那里你可以看到安大略遗产信托基金（Ontario Heritage Trust）也在他的墓地旁设立了一块牌匾，因为每位省长也都会获得一块这样的牌匾。我告诉你们，朋友们，这种信息你在别处是看不到的。只有在OnPol播客上才有。

英文原文 >> Indeed, there's Matthew Shoemaker who when he comes to Toronto occasionally visits William Howard Hurst, the premier, the only premier from Sus Marie and the first premier from Northern Ontario. And there you see the Ontario Heritage Trust also puts a plaque beside his grave site because every premier gets one of those as well. And I tell you friends, that's the kind of information you can't get anywhere else. Only here on the OnPy podcast.

我确实想补充一点，你知道，我们刚才稍微带过去了，但你知道他留下的那封信，在法律或宪法上是没有任何效力的。完全正确。是的。就像信任惯例非常明确的一样，谁能够掌握立法议会的信任，并且能够向省督陈述理由说“我得到了立法议会的信任，我将出任省长”，就由谁出任。呃，事情本该是这样运作的，如果党团决定，呃，不管信里写了什么，我们都要选择其他人，那也是完全合法合宪的。

英文原文 >> I do want to add, you know, we brushed past it a little bit, but you know that letter uh that that when he left had zero legal or constitutional weight. Correct. Right. like the the the confidence convention is very clear that like it's whoever can hold the confidence of the legislature and can present their argument to the left governor that I have the confidence of the legislature I will be the premier. Um that's that's the way it's supposed to go and if if caucus had decided uh whatever the letter says we're going with somebody else that would have been entirely legal and constitutional.

确实如此。但这表明了惠特尼对他的党团具有多么巨大的道德权威，以至于即使在他死后，是的，

英文原文 >> Absolutely. But it's an indication of how much moral authority Whitney had over his caucus that even from the grave, yes,

他们遵从了他的意愿，推举了赫斯特上任。随后，我认为亚当·贝克立即辞职了，呃，立刻就辞了。对此他非常不高兴。霍华德·弗格森则暂时按捺住了性子。而在农民党只干了一任就出局后，弗格森成为了省长。所以，你看，风水轮流转。

英文原文 >> they followed his wishes and they put Hurst in. And immediately, I think Adam Beck resigned uh immediately. He was very unhappy about this. Howard Ferguson cooled his jets for a while. And after the farmers were one term and out, Ferguson became the premier. So, you know, everything goes around.

听众来信与国旗状况

没错。好了。现在我们，呃，我们有时间进入听众来信环节了。你想在这里做这个听众来信环节吗？

英文原文 >> There we go. All right. Now, we got uh we got time for a mailbag. You want to do this mailbag thing here?

来吧。

英文原文 >> Let's do it.

好的。呃，如果您有什么迫切想问的问题，我们非常期待收到您的来信，邮箱是 onpolitics@tvo.org。JMM，你这周收到了什么？

英文原文 >> Okay. Uh if you got a burning question, we always love hearing from you at onpolitics tvO.org. JMM, what do you got this week?

我们收到了来自金斯顿（Kingston）听众伊芙·梅农（Eve Manon）的一个提问，她写道：“呃，史蒂夫（Steve）和约翰·迈克尔（John Michael），你们好。感谢你们的播客《OnPoly》。我非常喜欢在工作时收听它。我于1994年从蒙特利尔搬到安大略省。我对本省政治的了解仍在增长，这让我产生了一个关于最近一次旅行的问题。上周，我休假往北旅行，途经北湾（North Bay）、科克伦（Cochran）和穆索尼（Musen）。当我走出火车时，我惊讶地看到安大略省旗和加拿大国旗都处于非常破旧的状况中。我没料到会受到这样的欢迎。这是这些市镇出于政治考量或发表某种声明，还是纯粹属于维护保养的问题？致以最诚挚的问候，伊芙·梅。”

伊芙，我们要怎么回答呢？我们有这里的照片吗？哦，就在那里。嗯。好的。现在，对于收听播客的听众，你能描述一下我们在这里看到的内容吗？

英文原文 >> We have a question from listener Eve Manon in Kingston who writes, "Uh, greetings Steve and John Michael. Thank you for your podcast on Paulie. I thoroughly enjoy listening to it while at work. I moved to Ontario from Montrol in 1994. My knowledge of provincial politics is still growing, which brings me to a question regarding a recent trip. Last week, I traveled north on vacation through North Bay, Cochran, and Musen. When I got out of the train, I was surprised to see both the Ontario and Canadian flags displayed in very poor condition. I did not expect a welcome like this. Is there a political aspect or a statement being made by these municipalities, or is this simply a matter of maintenance? Best regards, Eve Me.

Eve, what are we going to say? Have we got a picture of this? Oh, there it is right there. H. Okay. Now, for those listening on podcast, do you want to just describe what we're seeing here?

呃，当然可以。这里展示的是安大略省旗和加拿大国旗，它们，嗯，好吧，客气地说，看起来有点破旧不堪。

加拿大国旗特别严重，似乎缺失了大约三分之一。嗯，然后，是的，安大略省旗那面情况可能稍微好一点点，但是——

英文原文 >> Uh, sure. So, we've got uh the Ontario and Canadian flags, and they um well, I guess to politely say they look a bit threadbear.

Canadian flag in particular seems to be missing about a third. Um and uh yeah, the Ontario flag might be a little bit uh in better shape there, but

我，嗯，是的，它们绝对不在你理想中希望看到的省旗和国旗应有的状态。针对伊芙的问题，在本省悬挂旗帜时，是否必须遵守某种最低标准？

英文原文 >> I um yeah, they're definitely not in the uh shape you would ideally love to see uh flags for the province and and country. apppropo of Eve's question. Are there kind of minimum standards that need to be adhered to when you fly the flag in this province?

似乎并没有。呃，关于旗帜的状况并没有正式的规定，但是，你知道，存在惯例和礼仪。嗯，如果你在讲台上发言，联邦政府建议从发言者的角度来看，国旗应该位于左侧。呃，去年有传言称要提出一项政府法案。呃，也就是省长所在的政党将向安大略省议会提出一项法案，呃，该法案本应强制要求在所有省属建筑物上悬挂安大略省旗。它本来还会施加一些惩罚，呃，可能会对焚烧国旗或，呃，次国家级省旗（我想应该说是省旗或地区旗帜）的人处以罚款。呃，该法案最终没有被引入。进步保守党党团内部针对其必要性似乎存在一些反对意见。我不知道你怎么想，我并没有看到过成批焚烧旗帜的现象。呃，

英文原文 >> There are don't seem to be. Uh there are no official rules on the conditions of flags, but there are, you know, conventions and protocols. Um if you are speaking at a podium, the federal government suggests that the national flag should be on the left from the point of view of the speaker. Uh last year there was talk of a uh a government bill. uh the idea that the premier's uh party would bring forward a bill uh for the Ontario legislature uh that would have made it mandatory to fly the Ontario flag at all provincial buildings. It also uh would have imposed some penalties uh potentially finding people who burned either the national or uh subnational provincial flags I guess provincial or territorial I should say. Uh that bill ultimately did not uh get introduced. There seemed to be some push back within uh the progressive conservative caucus uh as to its necessity. I don't know about you, I have not seen a rash of flag burnings. Uh

我在安大略省从未见过有人焚烧旗帜。我见过践踏旗帜——

英文原文 >> I've never seen a flag burning in Ontario. I've seen a flag stomping

那是在19……哦，1980年代末。在安大略省布罗克维尔（Brockville），魁北克省旗被一些抗议者踩在脚下。一发生那件事，我就觉得那可不妙。那肯定会带来反噬，让某些人自食其果。果不其然，确实应验了。

英文原文 >> which in 19 oh late 1980s. The Quebec flag in Brockville, Ontario was stomped on by some protesters. And as soon as that happened, I thought that's not good. That's going to come back to bite somebody in the backside. And sure enough, it did.

是的。嗯，所以关于伊芙提交的这张具体照片，在我看来这并不像是一种政治声明。我怀疑这仅仅是一个维护保养问题。呃，穆索尼（Mousini）的冬天相当严酷，我想冬天对旗帜的损耗很大。嗯，你知道，所以这可能是市政支出优先级的问题。我不知道。嗯，也许我们会收到来自穆索尼居民的反馈，谈谈旗帜在这个季节是否会得到更换。

英文原文 >> Yes. Um so this particular photo that Eve uh uh submitted uh this does not seem to me to be a political statement. I suspect that it is just a a maintenance issue. Uh the the winters in Mousini are pretty tough and I imagine that they are rough on flags. Um you know so it might be a municipal spending priority. I don't know. Um maybe we'll hear back from people in Musini about uh whether the uh flags get replaced uh this season.

很好。你何不给出

英文原文 >> Good enough. Why don't you give

……电子邮箱地址，我们就结束今天的节目。

英文原文 the email address and we'll get out of here.

嗯，好的。如果您对节目内容，或者省内各地的旗帜有任何疑问，请发邮件给我们：onpolitics@tvo.org。

英文原文 >> Uh right. If you have uh any questions about the content on the show or you know flags around the province, uh please email us at onpolitics@tvo.org.

以上就是2026年9月25日星期五的 OnP 播客节目。

英文原文 >> And that is the OnP podcast for this Friday, September 25th, 2026.

您可以在您常听播客的任何平台关注我们的节目，这样每次有新单集上线时您都会收到通知。您也可以在 TVOT Today YouTube 频道收看播客的视频版。

英文原文 >> You can follow our show wherever you get your podcasts so that you get notified each time a new episode is available. And you can see the video version of the podcast on the TVOT Today YouTube channel.

无论好评、差评还是中立反馈，我们随时都很乐意倾听。请发送邮件至 onpolitics tvo.org。请附上您的姓氏、名字以及所在地点。现在，在进入演职员名单之前，简要宣传一下我在 TVO 主持的另一档节目。节目名叫《TVO Today Live》，第四季将于10月2日在安大略省萨德伯里开播。我们将在北方科学馆录制，那里设施很棒。我们将探讨志愿服务如何促进民主更加稳固。更多信息及免费门票可访问网站 tvO.org/tvototoday live，网址是 tvo.org/tvotodaylive，我们萨德伯里见。

英文原文 >> Any feedback you have, we're always happy to hear it, good, bad, or indifferent. Send us an email at onpolitics tvo.org. Please include your first and last name and where you're located. Now, before we get into our credits, a quick plug for the other show that I do here at TVO. It's called TVO Today Live and it kicks off season number four in Sudbury, Ontario on the 2nd of October. We will be at Science North. Great facility there. talking about how volunteerism makes for stronger democracy. There's more information and free tickets at this website tvO.org/tvototoday live. That's tvo.org/tvotodaylive and we'll see you in Sudbury.

本周单集由 Matthew Omera 制作，Colin Kish 剪辑。

英文原文 >> This week's episode was produced by Matthew Omera, editing by Colin Kish.

制作支持来自 Jonathan Hawell 以及 TVO 数字媒体服务团队。

英文原文 >> Production support from Jonathan Hawell and TVO's digital media services team.

Lorie F 是数字内容执行制片人。Vanessa Casease 是媒体副总裁。

英文原文 >> Lorie F is the executive producer of digital. Vanessa Casease is vice president media.

我们一向要特别感谢演播室里出色的工作人员，是他们让播客的视频部分得以呈现且效果如此出色。谢谢大家，各位，下周五见。再见。

英文原文 >> We always like to give special thanks to the wonderful crew here in the studio for making the video part of the podcast happen and look so good. Thanks guys and until next Friday everybody. Bye-bye.

再见。

英文原文 >> Bye-bye.
文中提及的人物和组织

人物: Steve Paikin, John Michael McGrath, James Whitney, Doug Ford

公司/组织: Stellantis, Financial Accountability Office, TVO

媒体/书籍: OnPolitics