挑战极限:屏息背后的生理与心理奥秘 veritasium 2023-09-30

屏息挑战:探索人体极限

水箱里是布兰登·伯查克(Brandon Birchak),他将尝试在这段视频的整个过程中屏住呼吸。

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Inside the tank is Brandon Birchak, and he is going to attempt to hold his breath for this entire video.

布兰登是世界顶尖的呼吸法专家之一,所以请大家不要在家中尝试。
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Brandon is one of the world's foremost experts in breath work, so please don't try this at home.

如果你想了解更多,我会在描述中附上他的信息。
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I'll put his info in the description if you want to learn more.

我将让这个镜头在视频右侧持续播放,在他屏息的同时,我们将探究他是如何做到的。
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I'm going to keep this shot going continuously on the right side of the video, and while he's holding his breath, we will figure out how he does it.

我甚至会学习如何比以往任何时候都更长时间地屏住呼吸。
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And I'm even going to learn how to hold my breath way longer than I ever have before.

我连游泳的第一级都未能通过,因为我拒绝把头浸入水下。
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I failed the very first level of swimming 'cause I refused to put my head underwater.

这多少有些令人恐惧。
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This is somewhat terrifying.

呼吸的生理机制

人体所有细胞都需要氧气才能存活,氧气与葡萄糖反应生成ATP(Adenosine Triphosphate: 三磷酸腺苷,细胞能量的主要载体),这种分子能将能量输送到细胞内任何需要的地方。

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All the cells of the human body need oxygen in order to survive, oxygen to react with glucose and produce ATP, the molecule that delivers energy wherever it's needed in a cell.

呼吸如此重要,它甚至无需有意识的思考就能发生。
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Breathing is so important, it happens without conscious thought.

它受**自主神经系统**(Autonomic Nervous System: 控制非自主性身体功能的神经系统)的控制。
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It's under the control of the autonomic nervous system.

休息时,我们每分钟呼吸大约12次。
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When resting, we breathe about 12 times per minute.

但在运动时,这个速率会自动增加。
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But that rate automatically increases when exercising.

大脑通过称为**化学感受器**(Chemoreceptors: 感应血液中化学物质变化的受体)的化学传感器来了解我们多久需要呼吸一次。
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The brain knows how often we need to breathe using chemical sensors called chemoreceptors.

在**颈动脉**(Carotid Arteries: 位于颈部,向大脑供血的主要动脉)和**脑干**(Brainstem: 连接大脑和脊髓的部分,控制基本生命功能)中都有检测二氧化碳的化学感受器。
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There are chemoreceptors for CO2 in the carotid arteries and in the brainstem.

血液中二氧化碳的增加会使其酸性更强,人们认为这种二氧化碳酸度是调节呼吸的主要反馈机制。
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Increasing CO2 in the blood makes it more acidic, and it's thought that this CO2 acidity is the main feedback mechanism that regulates breathing.

二氧化碳的产生速率与氧气的消耗速率相同,所以酸性血液会告诉身体我们积累了过多的二氧化碳,因此氧气正在耗尽,所以我们最好呼吸。
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CO2 is created at the same rate oxygen is used up, so acidic blood tells the body we're building up too much CO2, and therefore, running out of oxygen, so we better breathe.

已知唯一检测低血氧的化学感受器在颈动脉中,但它们在调节呼吸中的作用被认为较小。
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The only known chemoreceptors for low blood oxygen are in the carotid arteries, but these are thought to play a smaller role in regulating breathing.

这就是为什么在潜水前**过度换气**(Hyperventilating: 呼吸过快过深,导致二氧化碳排出过多)是一个非常糟糕的主意,因为过度换气会排出大量二氧化碳,使血液碱性更强。
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And this is why hyperventilating before going underwater is a really bad idea, because hyperventilating expels a lot of CO2, making the blood more alkaline.

但这并不能真正增加血液中的氧气量,氧气量受空气中氧气浓度和红细胞数量的限制。
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But it doesn't actually increase the amount of oxygen in the blood, which is limited by the concentration of oxygen in the air and the number of red blood cells.

因此,当血液开始呈碱性时,需要产生更多的二氧化碳,二氧化碳化学感受器才会促使你呼吸,这意味着会消耗更多的氧气,有时甚至达到大脑因缺氧而失去意识的程度,所以你可能会在水下昏迷,甚至在产生呼吸冲动之前。
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So, with the blood starting out alkaline, more CO2 must be produced before the CO2 chemoreceptors give you the urge to breathe, which means more oxygen will be used up, sometimes to the point where the brain runs out of oxygen to stay conscious, so you can black out underwater before even getting the urge to breathe.

优化屏息时间:最大化氧气与最小化消耗

如果你想最大化屏息时间,你必须优化一个等式的两边。

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If you want to maximize the time you can hold your breath for, you have to optimize two sides of an equation.

首先,你需要在开始前最大化体内的氧气量并最小化二氧化碳。
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First, you need to maximize the amount of oxygen in your body before you start, and minimize CO2.

其次,你必须减少屏息期间氧气的消耗速率。
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And second, you have to reduce the rate at which oxygen is used up during the breath hold.

Brandon: 所以,当我们与运动员合作时,我们做的第一件事就是检查他们的**BOLT分数**(Body Oxygen Level Test: 身体氧气水平测试,衡量屏息时间)。
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So, when we work with an athlete, one of the first things we do is we check their BOLT score.

Derek: 只要告诉他们:“好了,屏住呼吸。”(吸气)然后他们屏住呼吸30、40秒左右。
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Just tell them, "All right, hold your breath." (inhales) And then they hold their breath 30, 40 seconds or something.

他们呼吸,那就是你的新BOLT分数。
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They breathe, that's your new BOLT score.

Brandon: BOLT代表身体氧气水平测试。
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Where BOLT stands for Body Oxygen Level Test.

如果你愿意,可以和我一起尝试屏息。
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If you want, you can try to hold your breath along with me.

准备好后,好好呼气,然后深吸一口气。
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Whenever you're ready, give a really nice exhale and then a really big inhale.

(布兰登吸气)
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(Brandon inhaling)

BOLT分数只是测量你在感到第一次呼吸冲动之前能屏住呼吸的秒数。
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The BOLT score just measures the number of seconds you can hold your breath before you feel the first urge to breathe.

Derek: 你的第一次呼吸冲动是大多数人选择呼吸的时候。
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Your first inkling to breathe is when most people choose to breathe.

Brandon: 是的,那正是(两人笑)我想要呼吸的时候。
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Yeah, that's, (both laughing) That is exactly when I'm going to want to breathe.

有些人天生就更擅长屏息。
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Some people are naturally better at holding their breath.

例如,你的肺越大,你能容纳的空气和氧气就越多。
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The bigger your lungs, for example, the more air, and hence, oxygen, you can hold.

大多数人的肺活量在四到六升之间,但有些人有十升的容量。
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Most people have a lung capacity between four and six liters, but some people have a 10-liter capacity.

Brandon: (呼气)我不知道,怎么样?
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(exhales) I dunno, how was that?

计时员: 40秒。
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40 seconds.

Brandon: 瞧,40秒!
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There you go, 40 seconds!

Derek: 伸展运动可以帮助扩展你现有的肺活量。
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Stretching can help expand what you've got.

Brandon: 我会这样伸展90度,90度,然后是我的胸部。
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I'll do degrees this way, 90, 90, and then also on my chest.

然后我会在大约一半的**肺部填充**(Lung Packing: 在深吸气后,通过小口吸气进一步增加肺部空气量)量下再做一次,所以我(呼气)然后我再做一次。
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And then I'll do it again at about half the volume of a lung pack, so I (exhales) and then I'll do it again.

Derek: 屏息的理想体型是高瘦的人,拥有充足的肺活量,但又没有太多组织来消耗氧气。
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The ideal physique for breath holding is someone tall and skinny with plenty of lung capacity, but not too much tissue to use up oxygen.

Brandon: 亚历克斯·塞古拉(Aleix Segura),一位出色的屏息者。
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Aleix Segura, excellent breath holder.

他的体型也很适合。
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He's also built for it, too.

他身高六英尺,体重比我轻。
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He's six feet tall, weighs less than me.

我的意思是,他就像一个带大脑的肺。
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I mean, he's like a lung with a brain.

另一种可以增加肺部储存空气量的技术叫做肺部填充。
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Another technique that can increase the amount of air stored in the lungs is called lung packing.

在深吸一口气后,你继续小口吸气,将其填充进去。
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After taking a full, deep breath, you continue to take little sips of air, packing it in on top.

Brandon: 我会屏住呼吸(呼气),然后做大约20次填充。
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I'll hold my breath (exhales) and then I'll do about 20 packs.

(有节奏地吸气)
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(inhales rhythmically)

Derek: 等式的另一边涉及降低氧气消耗率。
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The other side of the equation involves reducing the rate oxygen is used.

由于肌肉收缩需要消耗氧气,因此保持放松非常重要。
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And since muscles use oxygen to contract, it's very important to be relaxed.

Brandon: 检查全身的肌肉。
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Go through the whole body and we're going to do a muscle check.

我们将从下到上,再从上到下。
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We're going to go all the way down and then all the way up.

所以,一旦我屏住呼吸,(吸气)现在我只是要确保没有任何肌肉处于紧张状态。
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So, once I hold my breath, (inhales) now I'm just going to check to make sure that nothing is engaged.

Derek: 布兰登有时会在屏息期间进行表演,但由于他四处活动,氧气消耗得更快,因此屏息时间不会那么长。
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Brandon sometimes does performances where he's active during the breath hold, but since he's moving around, he uses up oxygen faster, and so doesn't hold his breath for as long.

哺乳动物潜水反射与心理策略

人类实际上有一个秘密武器,通过我们的进化,可以减少氧气消耗。

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People actually have a secret weapon when it comes to reducing oxygen consumption by virtue of our evolution.

它被称为**哺乳动物潜水反射**(Mammalian Dive Reflex: 哺乳动物在水中潜水时触发的生理反应)。
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It's called the mammalian dive reflex.

所有哺乳动物都有这种生理适应,帮助我们在水下生存。
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All mammals have this physiological adaptation that helps us survive when we're submerged in water.

我们脸部的**三叉神经**(Trigeminal Nerve: 面部主要的神经,负责感觉和运动功能)检测到水的凉意,并触发一系列反应。
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The trigeminal nerve in our face detects the coolness of the water and triggers a series of responses.

心脏跳动减慢,降低了血液(以及氧气)在体内循环的速率。
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The heart beats slower, decreasing the rate at which blood, and hence, oxygen, are circulated around the body.

我们四肢的血管收缩,将血液限制在重要器官和大脑中,确保我们有足够的氧气保持清醒。
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Our blood vessels in our extremities constrict, confining blood to our vital organs and brain, ensuring we have enough oxygen to stay conscious.

Brandon: 如果你上自由潜水课,你会看到你的手指、你的手,颜色非常苍白。
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If you take a free diving class, you can see your fingers, your hand, very sort of like a pale color.

如果我屏息10分钟,这个读数会是50或60。
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If I do a 10-minute breath hold, this will read at 50 or 60.

然后它就会关闭,因为在那么长时间的屏息结束时,我的手上将没有血液。
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And then it'll just turn off, 'cause I'll have no blood in my hands by the end of that long breath hold.

血液都集中在这里。
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It's all from here to here.

Derek: **脾脏**(Spleen: 淋巴系统器官,参与血液过滤和免疫反应)还会释放额外的预充氧红细胞到血液中,增加可用的氧气供应。
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And the spleen releases extra pre-oxygenated red blood cells into the bloodstream, increasing the available supply of oxygen.

大脑也消耗了不成比例的氧气量。
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The brain also uses a disproportionate amount of oxygen.

Brandon: 精神活动、神经元活动也消耗氧气,所以你要尽可能地保存。
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Mental activity, neuronal activity also uses oxygen, so you're trying to preserve as much as you can.

当你的身体不动时,你的大脑消耗了你身体所利用氧气的80%。
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When your body's not moving, your brain is using 80% of the oxygen that your body is utilizing.

80%,这是一个巨大的量。
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80%, it's a biblical amount.

所以,你想稍微关闭它。
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So, you want to turn that off a little bit.

你想给自己一些**咒语**(mantra: 重复的词语或短语,用于冥想或集中注意力),你可以不断地循环往复。
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You want to give yourself some sort of mantra that you can just keep cycling back and forth.

你想要停止思考,但你确实需要以某种方式打发时间,并且你必须对抗这种呼吸的冲动。
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You want to stop thinking, but you do need to pass the time somehow and you have to fight against this urge to breathe.

所以,给自己一些简短的、你能记住的东西。
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So, give yourself something short, something that you can remember.

然后,你重复咒语足够多次,你就能在屏息结束时再多撑20、30秒,尤其是在非常困难、二氧化碳很高、你正在应对非常糟糕的酸中毒反应时。
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And then, you get through the mantra enough times that you'll pass another maybe 20, 30 seconds toward the end of the breath hold, particularly when it's really hard and the CO2 is high and you're dealing with a really bad about of acidotic response.

一旦你做了身体检查,我希望你从字母表开始,对每个字母都心存感激。
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Once you do your body check, I want you to go through the alphabet and I want you to have a gratitude for each letter.

你练习得越多,就越能感受到同情或感激。
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The more you practice this, the better you'll get at just the sensation of compassion or gratitude.

然后,这本身就会非常非常放松。
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And then, that in itself will be very, very relaxing.

当我进行一次非常长时间的屏息时,我什么都不想。
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When I do a really big breath hold, I'm not thinking about anything.

我感觉在云端。
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I'm on cloud nine.

在五到十五分钟之间,我感觉自己就像坐着一艘火箭飞船,以每小时1000英里的速度飞行。
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I'm just, between five and 15 minutes, I feel like I'm just on a rocket ship at 1,000 miles an hour.

我什么都不想也不感觉。
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I'm just like, I'm not thinking or feeling anything.

我只有一种感觉和一种颜色。
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I just have a sensation and a color.

但这都是因为整个体验。
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But that's because of the whole experience.

它有点**迷幻**(Psychedelic: 引起幻觉或改变意识状态的物质或体验)。
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It's a little bit psychedelic.

Derek的屏息体验与BetterHelp赞助

Derek: 在泳池里和布兰登练习了半小时后,这是我能达到的最长屏息时间。

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After a half hour of practicing with Brandon in the pool, this is the longest breath hold I was able to achieve.

Brandon: 很好,很放松。
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Nice, nice and relaxed.

立刻放松下来。
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Immediately relaxing.

Derek: 我会把它放在画面底部持续播放。
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I'll leave it running in the bottom of frame, here.

Brandon: 只要知道那种呼吸的冲动只是你的身体在骗你。
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Just know that that urge to breathe is just your body lying to you.

你不需要呼吸。
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You do not need to breathe.

你还有很多时间。
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You have plenty more time.

所以,当你感到呼吸冲动时,放松。
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So, when you get that urge to breathe, relax.

欣赏它本来的样子。
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Just appreciate it for what it is.

它只是你的身体在进行实时pH值读数,发送信号,告诉你排出二氧化碳。
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It's just your body taking a real-time pH readout, sending a signal, telling you to expel CO2.

但你完全没问题。
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But you're totally fine.

你大概还有四五分钟才会溺水,所以你完全没问题。
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You've got maybe four or five minutes until you drown, so you're totally, totally good.

所以,当你在一分钟左右感到呼吸冲动时,放松,欣赏它本来的样子。
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So, when you get that urge to breathe, around a minute, relax, appreciate it for what it is.

然后我希望你尝试尽可能慢地数到10。
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And then I want you to try to count to 10 as slowly as you can.

在感到呼吸冲动后,给自己额外10秒钟,好吗?
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Just give yourself 10 extra seconds after the urge to breathe, okay?

Derek: 好的。
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Okay.

Brandon: 好的。
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All right.

Derek: 我练习以设定的节奏呼吸。
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I practiced breathing at a set rhythm.

Brandon: 我希望你大约吸气五秒,呼气五秒,只通过腹部和鼻子。
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And I want you to breathe about five seconds in, five seconds out, just through your stomach and through your nose.

再次强调,尽可能地做,但不要使用任何肌肉。
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And again, as much as you can, but without engaging any muscles.

所以,一、二、三、四、五吸气,然后一、二、三、四、五呼气。
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So, one, two, three, four, five in, and then one, two, three, four, five out.

Derek: 随后我屏息的时间越来越长。
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Followed by holding my breath for increasing durations.

我觉得,从心理上来说,我当时想:“我这么长时间不呼吸感觉不舒服。”
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I feel like, psychologically, I was like, "I'm not comfortable not breathing for this long."

Brandon: 嗯,你坚持了一分钟左右。
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Well, you made it about a minute.

不错,你坚持了1分30秒。
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Nice, you made 1:30.

Derek: 哦,哇。
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Oh, wow.

Brandon: 是的,太棒了!
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Yeah, crushed it!

轻松,我们才刚刚开始!
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Easy, and we're we're just starting!

太棒了,太棒了,太棒了!
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Amazing, amazing, amazing!

Derek: 真的,那是什么?
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For real, what was that?

Brandon: 我们坚持了大约1分45秒,我想,接近1分50秒。
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We made about 1:45, I think, close to 1:50.

Derek: 我修改了布兰登建议的策略来保持头脑平静。
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I modified the strategies Brandon suggested to keep my mind calm.

我想我那次做的是背诵字母表,只是,我无法做到心存感激。
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I think what I was doing that time was going through the alphabet, and just, I couldn't do gratitudes.

(布兰登笑)
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(Brandon laughing)

那太难了。
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They were too hard.

但我只是在想动物。
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But I was just doing animals.

Brandon: 是的,很好,很好。
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Yeah, great, great.

一个温和分散注意力的好方法。
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Good way to gently distract the mind.

Derek: 我当时在唱儿歌,因为这是我为孩子们做的事情。
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I was singing nursery rhymes because it's something do for my kids.

Brandon: (笑)我喜欢!
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(laughs) I love that!

Derek: 我当时想:“我只是要唱一些我为他们唱的歌。”
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I was like, "I'm just going to sing some of the songs I sing for them."

我曾怀疑我的心率是否会显著下降,但我的手表显示**哺乳动物潜水反射**确实启动了。
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I was skeptical that my heart rate would drop significantly, but my watch showed that the mammalian dive reflex really did kick in.

Brandon: 我的平均心率是72——
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My average heart rate was 72-

Derek: 48,你降到了48,太棒了!
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48, you got down to, nice!

看看那个。
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Look at that.

那太疯狂了。
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That's wild.

我睡觉时都达不到48。
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I don't even get down to 48 when I sleep.

那很低。
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That is, that's low.

对我来说很低。
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That's low for me.

Brandon: 太棒了。
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That's awesome.

Derek: 那就是,我什么时候一分钟没呼吸过?
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It's that thing of, when have I not breathed for a minute?

也许我一生中从未如此。
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Maybe never in my whole life.

Brandon: 你怎么样?
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How'd you go?

计时员: 2分36秒。
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2:36.

Brandon: 2分36秒,看看!
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2:36, look at that!

太棒了!
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Yeah, baby!

Derek: 我想我可以保证我从未屏息2分半钟。
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I think I can guarantee that I've never held my breath for 2 1/2 minutes.

心理方面是最难的。
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The psychological side is the hardest.

你如何分散注意力几分钟?
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How do you distract your mind for a few minutes?

当你觉得“这不是我习惯的事情”时,你如何保持冷静?
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How do you stay calm when you feel like, "This is not something I'm used to?"

在屏息时保持头脑冷静说实话是最具挑战性的部分。
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Calming my mind while holding my breath was honestly the most challenging part.

但有布兰登这样知识渊博、经验丰富的向导在那里帮助我,真的很有帮助。
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But it really helped to have a knowledgeable, experienced guide there in Brandon to help me through it.

而且我认为这种帮助在日常生活中也很有用,这就是为什么视频的这一部分由**BetterHelp**赞助。
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And I think that sort of assistance can be helpful in everyday life, too, which is why this part of the video was sponsored by BetterHelp.

BetterHelp的理念很简单,就是将你与一位经验丰富、持有执照的治疗师联系起来,他们受过训练,能够倾听并提供有益、公正的建议。
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The idea of BetterHelp is simple, to connect you with an experienced, licensed therapist who is trained to listen and give you helpful, unbiased advice.

我从个人经验中知道,找到一个好的治疗师很难,尤其是在你只有你所在城市的选项时。
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And I know from personal experience that finding a good therapist is hard, especially when you only have the options in your city.

但BetterHelp改变了这一点。
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But BetterHelp changes the game on this.

它是一个在线平台,通过填写几个问题,你将与一位专业的治疗师匹配,这样你就可以在几天内开始交谈。
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It's an online platform, and by filling out a few questions, you'll get matched with a professional therapist, so you can get talking in as little as a few days.

你可以通过电话、视频聊天,甚至通过消息进行治疗,如果你更喜欢那样的话,无论哪种方式对你来说最舒适。
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You can have your therapy sessions as a phone call, as a video chat, or even via messaging if you prefer that, whatever's the most comfortable version of therapy for you.

注册很简单。
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It's easy to sign up.

描述中有一个链接。
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There's a link in the description.

它是betterhelp.com/veritasium。
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It is betterhelp.com/veritasium.

点击该链接既有助于支持这个频道,也能让你第一个月获得BetterHelp的10%折扣,这样你就可以尝试一下,看看它是否对你有帮助。
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Clicking that link both helps support this channel and it also gets you 10% off your first month of BetterHelp, so you can try it out and see if it helps you.

如果你与你的第一位治疗师不太合适,这很常见,你可以轻松免费更换一位新的,无需担心保险、网络内治疗师或类似的事情。
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And if you don't really fit with your first therapist, which is common, you can easily switch to a new one for free without stressing about insurance, who's in your network, or anything like that.

无论你是否有临床精神健康问题,如抑郁症或焦虑症,或者你只是生活在这个世界上有恐惧或压力的普通人,我强烈推荐与经验丰富的专业人士交谈。
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Regardless of if you have a clinical mental health issue like depression or anxiety, or if you're just a human who lives in this world who has fears or stresses, I can't recommend speaking to an experienced professional enough.

要尝试BetterHelp,请访问betterhelp.com/veritasium或点击描述中的链接。
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To give BetterHelp a try, visit betterhelp.com/veritasium or click that link in the description.

现在,回到屏息。
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And now, back to breath holding.

世界纪录与高级屏息技术

我成功屏息了两分三十六秒,但这远未达到纪录。

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I managed to hold my breath for two minutes and 36 seconds, but that is nowhere near the record.

2014年,布兰科·彼得罗维奇(Branko Petrovic)屏息了惊人的11分54秒。
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In 2014, Branko Petrovic held his breath for an astonishing 11 minutes and 54 seconds.

他是在呼吸普通空气后做到的。
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He did this after breathing just regular air.

但还有其他方法可以延长屏息时间。
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But there are additional ways to extend breath hold duration.

一种方法是在高海拔地区或低氧舱中度过一段时间。
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One way is to spend time at high altitude or in low oxygen chambers.

Brandon: 现在设定为5000米。
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Right now it's set to 5,000 meters.

Derek: 舱内氧气不多吗?
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In the chamber, there's not a lot of O2 in there?

Brandon: 是的,非常少。
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Right, very little.

Derek: 这会触发你的身体产生更多的红细胞,增加你的氧气携带能力。
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This triggers your body to create more red blood cells, increasing your oxygen carrying capacity.

但如果你真的想延长你的时间,你可以在事前呼吸纯氧。
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But if you really want to extend your time, you could breathe pure oxygen beforehand.

布兰登非氧气屏息的纪录是10分钟。
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Brandon's record for a non-oxygenated breath hold is 10 minutes.

但吸氧后,他曾屏息23分钟。
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But with oxygen, he has held his breath for 23 minutes.

如果你不知道自己在做什么,呼吸纯氧是危险的,特别是对自由潜水员来说。
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Breathing pure oxygen is dangerous if you don't know what you're doing, especially dangerous for free divers.

Brandon: 理论上说,如果你这样做并超过六米,或五六米,你的**氧中毒**(Oxygen Toxicity: 吸入高浓度氧气可能导致的有害生理反应)风险会高得多。
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The theory says if you do that and you pass six meters, or five or six meters, your risk of oxygen toxicity is much higher.

Derek: 但如果操作正确,屏息前呼吸纯氧可以显著延长屏息时间。
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But if done correctly, breathing pure oxygen before a hold can extend it dramatically.

目前的纪录保持者是布迪米尔·索巴特(Budimir Sobat),他在呼吸纯氧后屏息了24分37秒。
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The current record is held by Budimir Sobat, who held his breath for 24 minutes and 37 seconds after breathing pure oxygen.

为了这段视频,布兰登经历了一个漫长的呼吸准备过程,最后一部分涉及呼吸纯氧。
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For this video, Brandon went through a lengthy breathe-up process, and the last part involved breathing pure oxygen.

他正在最后几口吸气,进行肺部填充。
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Here he is packing in the last few gulps.

计时员: 15分钟,15分钟!
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15 minutes, 15 minutes!

Derek: 但即使有氧气,长时间潜水也并非易事。
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But even with oxygen, remaining submerged for all this time isn't easy.

布兰登和他的妻子开创了第一个持续10分钟的水下活跃表演。
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With his wife, Brandon has pioneered the first active underwater performance that lasts 10 minutes.

Melissa: 编排一个作品,导演它,并将其组合起来,当你可以正常交流,不处理不同元素时,那是一回事。
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It's one thing to choreograph a piece and direct it and put it together when you are able to communicate normally, when you're not dealing with different elements.

但当一个人在水下,你试图将其与音乐结合,你试图给出指示,你试图将它与空中舞蹈结合起来时,我们职业生涯中做过一些非常大的项目,但这与(布兰登笑)我们不得不组合的任何其他具有挑战性的戏剧作品都不同,这是肯定的。
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But when you have a man underwater and you're trying to set something to music and you're trying to give direction and you're trying to piece this together with an aerial dance, we've done some really big projects in our careers, but this was unlike (Brandon laughing) any other challenging piece of theater that we've had to put together, that's for sure.

这以前从未做过,所以我们真的是边做边写书,我们必须确保,我们必须冒险才能做出如此疯狂的事情。
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This has never been done before, so we're literally writing the book as we go and we're trying to make sure that, we have to take risks to make something that's this crazy.

但这正是极限,对吧?
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But it's that limit, right?

你走多远,你推多远?
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How far do you go, how far do you push?

我想我们正在那条线上跳舞。
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I think we're dancing on that line.

屏息的终极感受与心理应对

Brandon: 你会感到呼吸的冲动,它开始时可能有点在胸部或下膈膜。

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You have the urge to breathe, and it starts kind of like maybe a little bit in the chest or the lower diaphragm.

但最终,你会开始真正出现这些抽搐。
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But then, eventually, you'll start to really have these convulsions.

二氧化碳也有轻微的麻醉作用。
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CO2 has a slight narcotic effect as well.

当它足够高时,你会失去时间感,那是你屏息结束的方式之一。
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You get it high enough, you lose sense of time, and that's one of the ways that you know that your breath hold is over.

Derek: 你失去时间感是什么意思?
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What do you mean, you lose a sense of time?

时间变慢还是变快,或者你根本不知道时间过得有多快?
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Time is slow or time is fast or you have no idea how fast time is passing?

Brandon: 毫无概念。
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No idea.

你完全,你完蛋了。
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You're totally, you're screwed.

你的呼吸冲动增加,增加,增加,增加,增加。
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Your urge to breathe increases, increases, increases, increases, increases.

然后,呼吸冲动骤然下降。
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Then, the urge to breathe just plummets.

Melissa: 16分45秒。
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16:45.

Brandon: 然后你就会想:“哦,我没事。”
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And you're like, "Oh, I'm fine."

但你的身体并不好。(疯狂地笑)
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but your body's not fine. (laughs maniacally)

计时员: 17分钟。
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17 minutes.

Brandon: 所以那时你就必须停止了。(疯狂地笑)
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So, that's when you got to pull the plug. (laughs maniacally)

Derek: 如果你想学习如何屏息长达五分钟,请查看描述中布兰登的信息。
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And if you want to learn how to hold your breath for up to five minutes, check out Brandon's information in the description.

你脑子里在想什么?
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What was going on in your head?

Brandon: 在最初的几分钟里,我只是专注于保持那种非常重的肺部填充,不让我的**会厌**(Epiglottis: 喉部软骨,吞咽时覆盖气管,防止食物进入)打开或漏气。
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In the first few minutes, I'm just focused on retaining that really heavy pack and not letting my epiglottis come open or losing any air.

确保在这样做的时候,我没有同时使用其他肌肉,比如我的斜方肌、背部或**肋间肌**(Intercostals: 位于肋骨之间的肌肉,辅助呼吸)。
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Making sure that while I'm engaging that, I'm not also engaging other muscles, like my traps or my back or my intercostals.

所以,只是专注于我需要使用的那个微小的肌肉群,确保其他一切都平静。
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So, just focusing on that one tiny muscle group that I need to engage, making sure that everything else is calm.

然后,大约五分钟后,我的肺活量下降到足以让我真正放松。
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And then, after about five minutes, my lung volume goes down enough that I can really relax.

所以,通常在五到十五分钟之间,我非常放松。
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So, then, typically between five and 15 minutes, I'm super relaxed.

我有一种坠落的感觉,感觉非常欣快。
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I have this sense of falling, I feel super euphoric.

然后,通常在15分钟后,二氧化碳开始侵袭我。
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And then, typically, after 15, then the CO2 starts to encroach on me.

随着它的升高,我必须越来越专注于对抗呼吸冲动的机制,比如我的膈膜,我的肋间肌,我的会厌颤动,诸如此类。
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And as it goes up, I have to focus more and more on fighting the mechanisms of the urge to breathe, like my diaphragm, like my intercostals, like my epiglottis fluttering, stuff like that.

Derek: 当你的血液变得非常酸性时,你能感觉到不同吗?
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Can you feel a difference in your blood when you're getting really acidic?

Brandon: 是的,是的,绝对能。
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Derek: 那感觉像什么?
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What does that feel like?

Brandon: 酸性的。
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Acidic.

(两人笑)
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(both laughing)

感觉就像呼吸的冲动。
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Feels like the urge to breathe.

如果你做足够多次,你就会习惯它。
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If you do it enough times, you get used to it.

📌 文中提及的人物和组织

人物: Derek

公司/组织: BetterHelp

关键字: breath-holding human mammalian-dive-reflex mental-resilience society