Nick: If we go back to, you know, 2022, 2023 around the release of chatgpt, I think a lot of people felt the AI then a chatbot that I say things to and intelligently says things back to me. I think with the advent of coding agents and like the coding agent harness in particular, now this AI is going out and like reading files and creating files, like running commands and this is crazy. I sell it one thing and then it figures out all the other things on it own.

Claire: I haven't gone deep with voice. I want to see it from the pro. How should we be using it? What's cool about it?

Nick: So, I'm just going to trigger voice. I've got a hotkey for it.

Codex: I'm listening. Go ahead.

Nick: Okay. There should be some Amazon receipt for a a mic I just bought recently. It's for DX uses. I'm hoping you can help me expense it. Could you spin up another thread to handle taking care of that expense report for me?

Codex: The expense task is running. It'll find the Amazon receipt and stage the Navon report, but not submit it until you confirm. I'll let you know when it's ready to review.

Claire: If anybody has been lucky enough to have an assistant, this is how it gets done. And it is just like such a nice delegation experience to be like, "Hey, can you take care of this? Hey, can you fix this? Tell me what's going on."

Nick: Typically, voice is great. You can like talk back and forth, but it's usually with a less strong model that is less capable. Whereas this, it's fully able to delegate and manage these fully, you know, five, six threads on its own, which is great cuz then you can have it do things on your behalf.

Claire: Hot take question. What do you think matters more on voice experience latency or intelligence?

Claire: Welcome back to How I AI. I'm Clarvo, product leader and AI obsessive here on a mission to help you build better with these new tools. Today we have Nick Bowman at OpenAI and he's going to show us some of the advanced use cases of chattex and chatt work including how you can talk to your computer to book your flights, use chatd sites to build websites you can share with anybody or nobody and use my favorite workflow which is editing creator content in codecs. Let's get to it. This episode is brought to you by bolt.new. New the AI app builder for people who have ideas and want to ship them. Most AI tools spit out code that looks great in a demo and falls apart the second you try to do anything real with it. Or they lock you into their own platform with no real way out. Bolt is different. You describe what you want to build. A startup MVP, a landing page, an internal tool, a side project, and Bolt generates productionready code in minutes. Connect Stripe or any other MCP. Hook up your domain and deploy it live. Founders are using Bolt to build businesses doing real revenue. Product managers are shipping prototypes their teams actually use. Designers and marketers are launching campaigns without waiting in line. Anyone can build. Engineering can ship. Everyone wins. You just need an idea and a weekend. Check it out at bolt.new/howiaai. Nick, welcome to How I AI.

Nick: Hello Claire, thanks for having me.

Claire: I am going to make you laugh because I might be the number one Codeex fan fanboy tech bro fanboy in the world. I am like constantly telling people, wait, but have you have you tried code? Have you tried Codeex yet? It is just my daily driver. So, I'm so excited to have you on because even though I use it all the time and for some things that you and I think both think are valuable, I have not touched most of the new features that have come out in the last week, it's really hard to keep up. And so, I'm really psyched that you're here to just show us some of the new stuff and maybe how you use Codeex both for work and life. So tell us what are the things in Codex you feel like people don't really know about or or brand new that you think are completely going to change how how we all work?

Nick: Yeah, I feel like you know with yesterday's release of voice um the chatbt codeex app, it's kind of like the amalgamation of all these primitives we've been like putting together kind of quietly and now we're super useful. So a lot of people don't know that the chatbt app you can ask it to create threads, you could ask it to message your existing threads and these threads actually talk to each other too. And it's like not super kind of forward in the app, but these are all capabilities. And now we've added this voice orchestration layer really where now you can, you know, the hotkey you can trigger this this orb that like pops in your screen and no matter where you are in your computer, you can talk to it. it'll talk back to and it can see your screen, can see what you're working on, and because we have those primitives of see your existing threads, create new ones, talk to them, it can like basically manage your entire chatb for you.

Claire: Yeah. One of the things that I I don't want people to miss before we even get into like the fancy voice stuff is I really do feel like most people do not know the meta capabilities of codecs and even like we won't say but like the the other one in that like its ability to not only spin off sub agents but actually start completely new threads, fork threads, look through old data, look through its own memory. Um, it's it's a really good mechanism to let the AI manage context and decide when forking off different tasks makes a lot of sense. And so I've been doing that a lot. But I actually had to discover that capability sort of organically when one day I was sitting there and it was probably five six was like I'm going to kick off a new thread and I was like you're going to do what? Like what now? And so I do I do feel one of the challenges with these core kind of platforms like codeex's and chatbt is people just don't know how to discover the features and they're so rich and so do you have any you know like we'll talk about voice but are there any other like sort of edge features of codeex or chatgpt that you feel like people underuse not just this this thread one

Nick: the chat GPT work experience you know people are talking about you know should we using chatbt work or codecs. I think chat GBT work on the web specifically mobile. I mean that's where I use it mostly is so insanely powerful. It it's one it's it's essentially like the codeex harness which has this incredible compaction. You have all your plugins. So if you've like already connected to Gmail, Gcal, like whatever you use, it's already there and then you have it all accessible in your phone. So you can like create these automations um also as heartbeats um and it's already there. So, like I mean a few times a day I'll just get like a notification saying, "Hey, like I got this email about this thing you bought. Are you sure you bought that?" Or like, "Hey, this package is arriving. Like, make sure you grab that." And I'm not watching my email or my finances, but that's just kind of being monitored for me. That's that's really magical experience.

Claire: Okay. I love it. All right. So, let's get into Chat Voice and what you what you use it for because I it came out yesterday. Um, I've been super busy and around humans. We're going to talk about that a little bit later. So, I haven't gone deep with voice. I want to see it from the pro. How should we be using it? What's cool about it?

Nick: Yeah, I I think it's really magical. So, I'm just going to trigger voice. I've got a hotkey for it.

Codex: I'm listening. Go ahead.

Nick: I'm hoping you can help me handle a few logistical things right now. Can you can you see the the offsite I've got pull up in Slack?

Codex: I'll take a look. Let me check that chat. Slack view. Yep. It's the DX team offsite in Paris August 26th through 28th. You're due in Tuesday with the program starting Wednesday morning and wrapping Friday afternoon. Flights and hotel are supposed to be booked in Navon this week.

Nick: All right. So, I I muted myself so that Codex doesn't hear me right now. But what happened there is it can already see my screen. You can see I've got Slack opened up. And what it did is it took an appshot. And so an appshot is something that you can do where you whatever window you have open, you just hit command command and it essentially takes like a smart screenshot loaded with context. I can use computer use or browser use on it instantly. But you know kind of a meta feature. Codex voice already has that built in. So I'm hoping you can help me book my flights and my hotel for the Paris offsite. I'm also thinking about sticking around to the weekend and maybe a couple days after. Could you maybe like check my calendar, see what my availability is like and see if it's if it's feasible for me to stick around?

Codex: I'll check your calendar against the off-site dates and then look at travel options.

Claire: Is this using the connectors?

Nick: Good question. Yeah, so this is using the plugins underneath the hood right now. So, it's not having to actually go

Codex: after the offsite through Monday, August 31st. A Tuesday, September 1st return would conflict with a late afternoon meeting. The simplest plan is returning Monday, August 31st. Do you want me to plan around that?

Nick: You know what? I'm thinking I might just take PTO on that Monday and Tuesday. I'm flying out of SFO. So, why don't you just go ahead and use Non. Um, spin up another task to figure out the travel. Pick a hotel that's reasonable and within our company policy, and then when it's ready, let me know and I'll I'll click book now.

Codex: Sure, I'll sort that out. I'll find options for flying out of SFO, arriving Tuesday before the Wednesday start, and returning after Tuesday, September 1st, then bring you choices that fit policy for you to book. So, is this chat going to be in... Oh, sorry.

Nick: I I'm talking to I'm talking to his CEX. Invite Claire to the Paris offsite. Put her up in the rits. Get her in business class. And honestly, we we don't we don't really have a Paris off site scheduled yet, but so much of our DX team is French that I'm hoping that I can like, you know, start seeding the the ideas here.

Codex: That task is running now. Comparing flights from SFO at a practical hotel for August 25th through September 2nd. I'll share the suggested itinerary when it's ready.

Nick: Cool. So, we've got this task already running and make sure it uses my existing Chrome browser for this one.

Codex: I'll check that. I've updated the travel task to use your existing Chrome session and keep it to preparing options, not booking.

Nick: Awesome. So, right now it just it just sets a message back to that task. It's already running. But I think while we've got that going, I'm going to ask it to do another thing for me. While I've got you, I've got an email. I think there should be some Amazon receipt for a a mic I just bought recently. Um, it's for DX uses. I'm hoping you can help me expense it. Could you spin up another thread to handle taking care of that expense report for me?

Codex: Sure, I'll take a look. I've started that expense task and it'll use your existing Chrome session. The expense task is running. It'll find the Amazon receipt and stage the Navon report, but not submit it until you confirm. I'll let you know when it's ready to review.

Nick: Awesome. So, those are both running in the background. I've I've muted our voice so we can talk without being interrupted. Um, but we can already see that in Chrome, um, this task is using the browser. It's figuring out our flight options. Um, it'll figure out the hotel. Frankly, this is something I just enjoy not having to do. Um, and it's nice to just have this handle in the background for me.

Claire: What I like about voice is I do think sometimes people with AI really struggle still with like blank chat window syndrome, which is like they look at and they're like, "What am I going to ask? What am I going to ask this brilliant AI to do?" And so what I love about first just like voice transcript to text which a lot of people have been using is it is what our beloved multi-time guest um Hillary calls the yappers API which is like the best highest bandwidth way to communicate with an LLM is just to yap out loud and just contact them. But what I love about this like voicetovoice interaction is if anybody has been lucky enough to have an assistant like this is how it gets it gets done and it is just like such a nice delegation experience to be like hey can you take care of this hey can you fix this tell me what's going on blah blah blah blah blah and so I'm I'm guessing the hypothesis here with this voice kind of experience is there's going to be like better discovery of use cases and sort of like more sprawling use cases because people can sort of delegate in a more natural way as opposed to having to like sit there and think through how to instruct kind of in text the the models. Have you found that like there are specific things that you reach for voice with that you don't that you don't like type with your human human fingers? Are you a full voice? Like where are we?

Nick: Yeah, a few thoughts there. One, I think it's like this iteration itself is like kind of a new primitive in that typically voice is great. you can like talk back and forth, but it's usually with a less strong model that is less capable. Whereas this, it's fully able to delegate and manage these, you know, fully, you know, five, six sole threads on its own, which is great because then you can have it do things on your behalf. Other thoughts there? Um, I find the like the thinking process and voice just a lot better when it comes to, you know, I could dictate for, you know, 2 minutes, send off a long paragraph, get back a couple long paragraphs and read those and it's really hard for me to get in flow. Um, I think of like planning in voice to be really really effective.

Claire: Hot hot take question. What do you think matters more on voice experience latency or intelligence? If you could only pick one, I'm gonna make you pick one.

Nick: I would say when I use chatbt, I put it on high intelligence for voice. I think there's there's like a middle ground. I think if there are good tools it can delegate to, then I care more about latency. Um, so I don't know. I guess I I still say latency.

Claire: Yeah. I think I think it's the I think it's what we're going to be talking and this is the Clairvo prediction. I think it's we're going to talk more and more about latency in the in the second half of the year because I just think it's like almost the the thing to differentiate on right now is like how real time can these experiences really be? I see a lot of people abandon great great AI workflows because of a spinner or because of a delay. And so like the more you can close that gap, the more I think people can discover cool things and actually pull through and get some some stuff done.

Nick: Yeah. I feel like so many product assumptions in design and AI tooling is like built around this like there's going to be latency, there's going to be delay. And the more we shrink that we can kind of drop those assumptions and new products will, you know, will emerge.

Claire: Amazing. Okay. So, so what we've seen here just to to reiterate for people who are maybe not watching or listening is you can hotkey spin up voice. It can manage these like very intelligent five six threads. You can delegate tasks. It can be hooked up to plugins. It can use your browser. It can use appshots. It can use all these things. And it's just like a very high bandwidth, low friction way to talk to super intelligence that can get nice stuff done. You you mentioned that a little bit earlier that you're also loving like mobile and and this combination of like dictation and managing through mobile. Can you tell me how like being able to do some of this on your phone has changed your workflow? So maybe like give me an example of that.

Nick: So I put together this site and so this is just a an aggregation of all these really cool tweets that you know both people in like the codeex and chatbt community and also people work at openai have shared with how they're using codeex chatbt. Um, this was done just with with chatbt, like the chatbt app where I had it use it own inapp browser, go through Twitter for like a couple hours and then embed these links and kind of add a little bit of, you know, description to them. And now what I do is I've got a thread on my work phone that is essentially managing this site and when I see something I like, I just drop in that link. I say add it and it does. We also have this prompts tab and I do the same thing there. If I have like an idea for how somebody could be maybe he's like you newer to like chatbt work I'll just like dictate my phone explain like hey there's this prompt for like having it manage your inbox and your finances can you add this to the site as well and in terms of actually editing the site um deploying it that can all happen from chatbt work on mobile

Claire: and I think what people are not seeing here which again so many new features coming out that I think people aren't taking advant antage of is the domain here is chatgbt.site. So you can now deploy these like artifacts these sites live. So can you just walk us through a little bit how how that works or maybe we can do one just so people can like understand the power of these sites and and how you might use them or what their limitations are even.

Nick: Yeah, I think like for like 10-second description for the technical audience, it supports a SQL database. Um, it has S3 storage for files and it even has environmental environmental variables you can put there. For the non technical audience, it's essentially a website that you can store things on, which is great. And you can also control who sees it. You can you can filter by by email. So, it can be private, it can be fully public. That's up to you. But what we could do, if you're interested, is we could try building a site live.

Claire: Let's do it.

Nick: And see how to build live.

Claire: Yeah. All right. Uh, so let's jump into it. So, I've got an idea for a site. I'm here right now with Claire Vo. She hosts the How I AI podcast, and we're hoping that we can build a site that takes all the best tips from the videos on her YouTube channel and makes it so you can like easily filter through them and have quick links to like different timestamps on her videos.

Claire: Make it match the how I AI branding. We use good old AI blurp purple um and black and white and um let's have it if if possible categorized by tool. So like what AI tool is being used in the workflow and also function. So if it's for designers, it's if it's for engineers, it's for personal productivity, any of those things. Otherwise, I'm excited to see what you come up with.

Nick: Awesome. That sounds great. and go ahead and deploy it privately and then we'll take a look at it you know when it's ready and then we can deploy it publicly from there if it if it looks good. While this is running, let me make you make you laugh because this um two human chat to chat GBTE I did recently with my mother and um she was like stuck on an administrative task and she was like getting all frazzled about she's like I'm going to have to look up all this stuff and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah and I was on the phone with her and I was like mom just hold on one second and I opened up chat GPT on my desktop and I turned on voice and then I was like can you just please tell what you need to do. And I turned the speaker phone on my phone and I put it up to the computer and had her like babble kind of like we did and I asked her a couple questions and then I was like, "Thanks." Pressed enter and I was like, "I did it for you. I did it for you." [laughter] So, I really do feel like people are underusing like two person voice chat. You can do it on your phone. You can use speaker phone. like it is this really nice again like high bandwidth way to get requirements into the system and it doesn't just have to be you alone.

Claire: Yeah. I I've had times where you know I need context with somebody I work with. And I'm like please just like ramble dictate into Slack and send me like garbage. I don't care. And they're like no let's just like set up a meeting. And I'm like no don't don't do that. I don't need that. [laughter] I don't need this to be like pretty or anything. just just tell me that's fine.

Claire: So, are we at this meeting could have been a voice note like level?

Nick: Yeah, I think so. I mean, all it's it's more like give me information that unstructured however it is that my agent can can decipher and that's that's good enough for me.

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Claire: Okay, so this is going to go spin up. We're going to let it kind of like whirl a little bit. Maybe we'll come back to what what we see. But there's one other use case that both you and I really like in codeex um that I thought you could show and particularly how how you prompt it which is codeex for video editing and for those that don't know it I do a lot of this for um for the podcast. I also do a lot of this just for like general work stuff. I'm cutting a lot of videos. So, um, tell me like how you came to this use case, why you feel it's so useful, and then how how easy is it to prompt kind of like video editing?

Nick: You know, I I do a little bit of content as part of the DX team, and, you know, we're trying to reach people that might not be inside like the Twitter verse, which, you know, there's there's there's there's a lot of us there, but there's more of us not there. Um, and I think explaining, you know, how you can use these tools um, in really relatable ways where you're explaining to like a camera um, in like 45 seconds is great. And so I started just kind of like going to a park, filming myself, filming my camera, getting a, you know, a smattering of little clips. And so this is from like this is from yesterday. I went to the park. These are like most of these are takes that we're not going to use. Um, but what I'll do is I'm literally going to drag these into chatbt work. And then so what I've done and I'm going to share this, but I've created a plugin called UGC video. Actually, let me get the one that I use for I made a version that has like open eye branding, but you can actually see it here. And so this basically after having gone through like a few runs of this, what I've noticed is that just having like some guidance around like, hey, make sure that we're not entering like the safety zone with Instagram ads or let's do these formats. We want 9x6 also 4x5. That's great. But what I'll generally do and I'll dictate this. So we've got a bunch of clips here. I recorded a video for the record and replay feature. It starts with me just explaining that I'm apartment hunting and that's kind of a pain. And then I walk through and show the feature in real life. I show myself actually apartment hunting. And I show how Codex can do it for me. And then I have a closer about how I this skills that's been made that's been made for me can be put on a heartbeat and I can have Codeex just search for apartments in the background. Can you go through these clips first? like pull the transcripts, find the best takes, and then kind of piece this together into a UGC style video. So, that's running a few things that to kind of explain how this works. So, I've only submitted like 20 some odd like video clips. And so, what code is going to is going to do is going to start by processing those clips to get just the transcripts. This will help it understand like the story, what we're talking about, and even like my light description will help it understand that. And then what I'll do then, actually, it's ask me some questions. Sure, we'll do organic vertical. Let's do complete and clean. Sure. So, it'll first get the transcript and that's going to go through the takes and actually like process images from them to understand what I'm showing. And then it'll choose like the best takes. And when I'm recording, I'll say things like cut or that's a bad take or that's a good take. And it's able to like use that as guidance, you know, like you know what's actually useful from these.

Claire: you're going to give me so many ideas because I have like deeply abandoned my once great TikTok because I guess like UGC is hard. Like short for short form is hard. Um and I just have such a high bar that I'm constantly like recording these clips and being like that was garbage and then I get frustrated. I walk away. But you've given me this idea which is I could just like keep recording until like there's one that feels good and then just dump it all. I don't even have to remember which one is good. Dump it all, give some voice notes about how to edit and then and then kind of assemble it. And then I I love this process of just having the model transcribe, look at the video, come up with like good good cuts and put it together. I use it a lot for our trailers. So, anytime I do a very long, like a 30 to 60 minute talk, or I do a podcast that's like 60 minutes, I dump it in and I'm like, give me a 60-second hype video with the funniest parts of the talk and like give me a little bit of buffer for for clipping and then it it clips that really well. It actually has like pretty good funny taste. Um, which is nice. And so, I do that. And then I also do like I teach like a three-hour long workshop um every quarter on how to like transform your engineering organization to be kind of like AI engineers. It's very very long. It's like three-hour Zoom clip and I also do that to like clip chapters, clip shorts, do all that sort. It's just like all this tedium of of video editing. It's quite quite good at. And then just tell us like what does what does this plugin actually do?

Nick: Yeah. So, the plugin is really just based on like all the steering I've done uh really this week of like making these videos, whether it's, you know, describing the kind of formats I need or, you know, that you don't want to have text in certain areas because it'll be cut off or natural kind of break points or how to do captions. Um, it's, you know, literally I just I had this massive thread where I did a few of these videos and there was so much essentially like bespoke knowledge and this process built up that I was like, "Hey, can you make a plugin out of this?" And there's actually a plug-in creator skill um in the chatbt app. So, it's pretty easy. And then I did a few tweaks and now I just more reliably get, I guess, the the happy path that I want.

Claire: And can you show us an out? I know you did one of these for yesterday. Can you show us like what what the kind of output is that you can get?

Nick: Yeah. So, here was my starting prompt. Again, I just dumped in a bunch of clips. And one thing I want to know, you talked about like the tedious stuff. Even like little things like going through and deleting bad takes or finding like the right segments. I I feel like I'm I'm so willing just to hand that over. And and just get that off my plate. I don't want to think about it. So yeah, I I I started with a pretty similar prompt. I just I kicked off with a little bit for before at one point and actually I was in an Uber. I said this on my phone. I remembered I was like, "Oh yeah, I need I need a 4x5 also." So I I sent that in as like a steer and it was like, "All right, got it. Updating the updating the delivery matrix." And then this is actually where, you know, I was like, "Why don't you ask me questions?" So I had to update the plugin um at the same time. And this is what the output looks like. So this is actually a few few different like you know back and forth steers. Um here we'll actually haven't like watched this full one but we'll see how it looks.

Codex: It's insane trying to find apartment in SF or New York City right now and it's impossible to get to all the listings before they're gone.

Nick: So what's what's funny I don't if you can see that it's it even added blurs to these addresses here.

Claire: Real smart. No I can see it.

Nick: Yeah. Um, I actually I did like a couple of these for like that were releasing like on Instagram next week and there's like sensitive like release material information by Slack that it like bubbled up in my chatbt work and it did this like insanely granular work of like blurring out literally lines and then following it while I'm scrolling and it does all this like verification where it it adds these blurs. It checks its own work and then it like does that over and over again until it's good and then it gives you like, you know, a good result.

Claire: I probably six months ago coded a redactic for the How AI podcast because I had so many people being like, "Whoops, I left like my API key open in that like one piece of code that we were talking about." And so we actually like built one. Um, I need to try it again with codecs because it's probably I the one challenge we have is the blurs following kind of like screen shares. But yeah, and actually that gets back to the like I don't my I don't even want to deal with the tedious work. Like not only actually it's a non-starter that I'm going to make blurs automatic like do that manually. That's just that's not going to happen.

Nick: No. What's even more annoying though is having to think about all right well how do I generate outputs that don't have confidential information and how do I still make it seem genuine that's also a pain that I just I don't think about I just I leave it to leave it leave it to the chat GBT app

Claire: I'm going to give one other benefit for the content creators out there for this like AI editing of content which is it's real embarrassing to edit your own content. It's like really embarrassing to look at yourself and watch all these videos of yourself and be like, "Oh yeah, I was like real cute and funny in that one and that one I am not like I make no sense as a human." So I like to offload like the critique of myself and the critique of my performance off to another model so I don't have to look at my face so much as well, especially as like a solo creator, solo founder, somebody who's like working on their own work. So, I do like having a third, you know, like a neutral third party do these cuts so I don't have to sit there and like listen to my own videos all day.

Nick: Yeah, I know. It's it's it's great. Um, back to like the it like it definitely lowers like the bar like the barrier to entry for stuff like this and if I just need to like go to a park, you know, I recorded like three videos. I recorded to three videos over the course of like an hour and a half couple days ago. And then I uploaded like 50 or 60 clips. And I dictated like what the different narratives for those three videos were and because I have a plugin and a task that already understands what I want. You know, it took a while. I I went to bed and I came back to it, but I had I had the I had what I needed and we actually shipped one to our Instagram a couple days ago.

Claire: Okay. I have one more question on this and then maybe we'll see if the if the website is up. Do you need Soul Ultra for this? Because that's what I see below.

Nick: Yeah, I would. Um, in my experience, there's just so many, as much as anything, just for speed. There's so many little like micro tasks involved in checking all these frames, in checking these transcripts, and there's a lot of parallel processing that can happen and a lot of like parallel judgment, if you will. And what soul ultra is is it's basically this framework for multi-agent um for 56 soul. And so I find that it's just more efficient and I get better outputs when I use Soul Ultra.

Claire: Love it. Okay, cool. Let's see if the How AI website is is up and running. Look at that. Black and purple and white. Just like I said, [laughter] [gasps] we also have AI identify which thumbnails are going to do the best. This the by the way, this episode, just so you know, it's all look no hands. We had some problems.

Nick: Oh, I see what it is. It's the use cases. So, each episode is showing up multiple times. That was a very good episode about codeex browser use where I let it shop for me for my Hawaiian vacation. Um, and it did quite quite a lovely lovely job.

Claire: Yeah. Yeah, lovely job. If you if we want to get really fancy, we could probably have it have different thumbnails for each clip. We could even have like use image gen to make like a, you know, a singular thumbnail.

Nick: Yeah. So let's say and let's say I wanted to like share this with you. Um I can say share this. And so now you can you can put in you know whoever you really want to. It could be totally publicly available. You could add um individual individual email addresses. And it'll share with those folks.

Claire: Amazing. And then how do you log in?

Nick: Uh it's login with Chat GBT.

Claire: Great. Easy peasy. I do have a Chat GBT account underneath that email [laughter] address. So we are we are good to go. Um, just to recap, we did a couple use cases. So, we talked a little bit about voice, high bandwidth, Yappers API, um, just basically like talking to a computer empowered assistant that can just go do a bunch of your work for you, um, with access to browser and other things, including just being able to screenshot whatever's on the screen and have context. We did a um an a tragic bee site which I did not know it has its own computer and memory and browser and all that stuff. So that's fun fact for Claire. Um or you can have it actually go off and make a website which you can share publicly or share with specific email addresses which you just showed. And then again, my favorite use case, which is take a bunch of clips um for UGC, dump them in, make it the model's problem, including doing redaction and blurring, which is for any of my fellow YouTubers out there, a a huge and very annoying issue. And I'm very happy um personally to have seen this this workflow and get it solved.

Claire: Um Nick, a couple questions uh lightning round questions for you. We will get you back to all your all your voice chatting. Question number one is on that topic. In this world where we're all loving our Chad GBT voice experience, are is everybody in the open AI office just like mumbling to themselves and to their computer? Like how are we going to intersect all this voice capability with the realities of like existing around humans that find all this chitter chatter annoying? Like how does it actually work?

Nick: I think it's like a like an almost genuinely uncomfortable question because when I'm at home, I exclusively dictate and when I'm at my desk around other people, I will sometimes whisper, but I'm more likely to like use my keyboard. And you know, we have all these meeting rooms and these like little pods people hop into. And I see people like hopping in there for not calls more often these days because they're they're clearly going in there to like use dictation or to use voice and codecs. And clearly people are adapting to this as like a better experience. But frankly, we you know, I don't know if the answer is we all walk around like with those masks around us that like shield our voice to anybody but the agent, but it's it's not ideal right now. But you can but we can tell that there there's a there's a better there's a good version and that's using voice but it's not ideal for our current you know office makeup infrastructure.

Claire: Yeah I I imagine we like press a button and like a tube comes down

Nick: that would be ideal. Yeah that's that's what I'm talking about press our button and the tube the tube goes up. Okay. We're going to we're going to figure this out um until we get the direct codeex to mind connection which I'm sure will be a 2027 release. Okay. Um, second question.

Claire: If if people really wanted to like feel the AGI, what are what are the things that you really think are just huge step changes in the last 3 months? Maybe like voice aside, what is like the one thing that you would tell people to try or that you're really thinking is is the new interface because there's so many things that you've shown here

Nick: in terms of like in terms of feeling the AGI. I think a lot of people like you and me have already felt the AGI. I think if we go back to you know 2022 2023 around the release of chatbt. I think a lot of people felt the AI then you know what what AI can be became understandable like you understand this conception of a a chatbot that I say things to and it intelligently says say says things back to me. That's that's pretty cool. And then I think with the advent of Kodi agents and like the Kodi agent harness in particular, I think people in the developer community and like AI tinkerers, they felt this AGI moment where wow now now this AI is going out and like reading files and creating files like running commands and this is crazy how I tell it to do I I tell it one thing and then it figures out all these other things on its own and that was a huge AGI moment for people. But I do think there is a certain barrier like barrier to entry with that where if you're not an engineer or you're not a thinker, you know, there's this is limited to a smallish group of people. But now, you know, with something like chat GBT work in the web, I think we're taking a lot of the primitives um you know, like the coding agent harness, like having an always on agent and we're making them not only accessible to the web, but they're accessible to your phone. And so for people that are already using the chat GBC app, which is a lot, they can just switch over to the work tab, they can ask a question like, "Hey, can you check my Gmail and also my finances?" Um, which I know are two, you know, plugins that you can install really quickly and just monitor those and let me know if anything stands out or anything has gone arry. And now they suddenly have this agent that's, you know, maybe twice a day checking their email, checking their finances. And I think that like small thing, you know, when they first get a notification, you know, letting them know maybe a package has arrived or there's some weird charge. I think those are like the small moments that people might kind of like it might be like a foot in the door for a lot of people.

Claire: Okay. Amazing. And then I have one last question I ask every guest and because you speak to AI, I'm really curious here what what you say. when I I saw a little bit of your prompting strategy. It's a little bit of what I do, but when AI is not responding, when it is not doing what you want, when it is not using that plugin, what is your prompting strategy? Do you yell? Do you all caps?

Nick: Well, it depends if I'm sitting on my desk or if I'm in my living room. Those are [laughter] I guess the my treatment of of AI is different. [laughter] Um, it might be all caps in the office as I like bang on my keyboard. at home I'll turn on dictation, maybe share a few expletives. try to redirect things.

Claire: I'm just like constantly constantly being like, "This is trash. Why Why are you Why are you this way?" Um, I used to be so polite and now my bar is so high. I'm like, "You you can do better. I believe in you." I would say lately I feel like I have been less upset. Um things are just working better, you know.

Nick: I've been more upset. Yeah, because my bar is higher. I'm like, I know you can do this. You're not a dumb dumb. Come on.

Claire: I understand. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Treat it treat as equal or superior. You're surprised when it when it doesn't come through. Okay. Well, Nick, this has been super fun. Where can we find you? How how can we be helpful?

Nick: Yeah. Find me on Twitter X um my name Nick Bowman_. Um if you have any questions about codeex chatbt work, anything we're releasing OpenAI, feel free to reach out to me. DMs are open. Great to uh great to be on with you, Claire.

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