孟山都的黑暗遗产:除草剂、转基因种子与企业垄断的代价 veritasium 2025-08-31

农业巨头的阴影:从谋杀到垄断

2016年10月的一个傍晚,阿肯色州的一位农民坐在他的皮卡车里,就在田地外面,他变得越来越不耐烦。

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One October evening in 2016, an Arkansas farmer was sitting in his pickup truck just outside his field, and he was growing impatient.

突然,另一辆车停在他旁边,于是农民下了车。

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Suddenly, another car pulled up beside him, so the farmer got out.

几秒钟后,他被谋杀了。

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Seconds later, he was murdered.

这位农民名叫迈克·华莱士(Mike Wallace)。

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The farmer's name was Mike Wallace.

他不是因为金钱或土地被杀。

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He wasn't killed over money or land.

他被杀是因为一种除草剂(Herbicide: 杀死植物的化学物质),一种旨在消灭杂草的化学物质。

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He was killed over a herbicide, a chemical designed to destroy weeds.

这种除草剂在美国乡村散布了恐惧,让农民们互相敌对,这一切都因为它属于一家特定的公司。

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This herbicide spread fear through rural America, turning farmers against each other, all because it belonged to a certain company.

这家公司的政策让农民们互相争斗,他们甚至可以派打手到你家门口。

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This company's policies, they pitted farmer against farmer, and they could just send henchman to your door.

即使你的田地里只有“错误”的种子,他们也可以把你告上法庭,让你破产。

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Even if you just had the wrong seeds in your field, they could send you to court and bankrupt you.

实际上,他们拥有了农田的垄断权。

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In effect, they had a farmland monopoly.

他们拥有美国种植的80%以上的种子。

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They owned more than 80% of the seeds planted in the United States.

为了获得这种垄断,他们玩弄法律体系,与腐败的美国环境保护局(US Environmental Protection Agency, EPA: 负责环境保护的美国政府机构)官员勾结,并扭曲科学证据。

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And to get this monopoly, they played the legal system- Colluding with corrupted EPA officials. twisted scientific evidence.

现在看来,他们似乎被当场抓获了。

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Now appears to have been caught red-handed.

但他们生产的化学品摧毁了世界各地社区的健康。

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But the chemicals they were making destroyed the health of communities all over the world.

这是一个关于孟山都(Monsanto: 一家全球领先的农业生物技术公司,以其农用化学品和基因改造作物而闻名)的视频,它是世界上最大的农业公司之一。

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This is a video about Monsanto, one of the biggest agricultural companies in the world.

我们的调查基于公开文件、录音和第三方意见。

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Our investigation is based on publicly available documents, recordings and third-party opinions.

所有来源都已在描述中链接。

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All sources are linked in the description.

选择性除草剂的诞生:从毒藤到农田革命

1942年,一位名叫富兰克林·D·琼斯(Franklin D. Jones)的化学家有了一个不寻常的敌人:毒藤。

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In 1942, a chemist named Franklin D. Jones made an unusual enemy: poison ivy.

他的孩子们对这种植物有非常剧烈的反应,当他们碰到毒藤时,会起严重的皮疹和肿胀,所以琼斯想找到一种方法来杀死它。

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See, his children had a very violent reaction to the plant. They would get intense rashes and swelling when they brushed up against the ivy, so Jones wanted a way to kill it.

他通过向毒藤喷洒激素进行实验,这些化学物质可以像在人类和动物体内一样调节植物的功能。

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He experimented by spraying the ivy with hormones, chemicals that could regulate the plant's functions the same way they do in humans and animals.

他希望其中一种激素能导致毒藤死亡。

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His hope was that one of these hormones would cause it to die.

不幸的是,许多激素没有效果,而另一些则让毒藤长得更好。

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Unfortunately, many had no effect and others only made the ivy grow better.

但有一天,琼斯注意到某些样本开始比预期更早地呈现出秋天的颜色。

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But then, one day, Jones noticed that certain samples began to show autumn colors, much sooner than they should have.

他看着鲜艳的色彩变成扭曲的形状,几天之内,这些植物就枯萎死亡了。

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He watched as the vibrant hues turned to twisted shapes, and then within days, these plants shriveled up and died.

琼斯检查了他喷洒的化学物质,令人惊讶的是,它是一种名为2,4-D(2,4-D: 一种选择性除草剂,属于苯氧乙酸类化合物)的生长激素。

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Jones checked the chemical he sprayed them with, and surprisingly, it was a growth hormone called 2,4-D.

它是一种酸,由一个六个碳和氢组成的苯环和一个酸尾组成。

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It's an acid made up of a ring of six carbons and hydrogens called a benzene ring, with an acid tail.

苯环的二位和四位还有两个氯原子,这就是它被称为2,4-D的原因。

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There are also two chlorine atoms in the two and four positions of the ring, which is why it's called 2,4-D.

为了保持整洁,我们不必画出所有这些碳和氢,但请记住它们仍然存在。

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To keep things tidy, we don't have to draw all these carbons and hydrogens, but keep in mind they're still there.

琼斯意识到这种合成激素效力惊人。

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Jones realized this synthetic hormone was incredibly potent.

微量的它仍然会促进毒藤生长,但如果他喷洒大量,2,4-D就会引发无法控制和不可持续的生长,从而导致毒藤死亡。

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Tiny amounts of it would still encourage the ivy to grow, but if he sprayed on a lot of it, 2,4-D would trigger such uncontrollable and unsustainable growth that the poison ivy would die in the process.

所以实际上,他瓶子里装的是“植物癌症”。

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So effectively, he had plant cancer in a bottle.

我刚才就想说“植物癌症”。

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I was just going to say plant cancer.

对吧?

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Right?

我的大脑立刻就想到了这个。

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That's immediately where my brain went.

更值得注意的是,它只针对毒藤。

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What was even more remarkable was that it only targeted the ivy.

周围的草几乎没有受到影响,就像它对2,4-D有抵抗力一样。

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The grass around it was barely affected, like it was resistant to 2,4-D.

所以在接下来的两年里,琼斯进行了上百次不同的实验,将这种除草剂倒在许多不同的植物物种上。

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So over the next two years, Jones performed over a hundred different experiments by pouring the herbicide onto many different plant species.

他发现2,4-D非常挑剔。

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And what he figured out was that 2,4-D was really picky.

它能杀死蒲公英、繁缕和毒藤等阔叶杂草,但几乎不影响农作物。

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It killed broad-leaved weeds like dandelions, chickweed, and poison ivy, but it virtually ignored crops.

小麦、玉米和大麦都几乎不受2,4-D的影响,因为它们都是草本植物。

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Wheat, corn, and barley were all mostly unaffected by 2,4-D because all of these are species of grass.

为了进一步提高这种选择性,琼斯还测试了与2,4-D相似的化学物质。

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To improve this pickiness further, Jones also tested chemicals similar to 2,4-D.

他发现,在苯环上再添加一个氯原子,将其转化为2,4,5-T(2,4,5-T: 一种选择性除草剂,常与2,4-D混合使用),能让草本植物更加完好无损。

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He found that adding another chlorine to the benzene ring, transforming it to 2,4,5-T, left grasses even more unscathed.

他发现了一个巨大的突破。

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He was onto something huge.

因为在那之前,农民们有两种方法除草。

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Because up until then, farmers could get rid of weeds one of two ways.

要么喷洒砷等危险化学品,要么手动拔除杂草。

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Either you spray them with dangerous chemicals like arsenic or you have to pull the weeds out manually.

无论哪种方式,你都会有所损失。

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Either way, you're at a loss.

但有了2,4-D和2,4,5-T,你可以喷洒整个农田,而只有杂草会死亡。

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But with 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T, you could spray your entire crop field, and only the weeds would die.

琼斯偶然发现了第一批实用可行的选择性除草剂,因此他在1945年战争结束时迅速申请了专利。

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Jones had stumbled upon the first practically viable selective herbicides, so he was quick to patent them in 1945, just as the war was ending.

盟军胜利后,大多数国家的专利保密限制被解除,结果发现美国和英国都有其他科学家独立发现了这些除草剂。

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After the Allies victory, the patent secrecy restrictions in most countries were lifted, and it turned out that there were other scientists, both in the US but also in the UK, who discovered these herbicides independently.

很快,世界各地都出现了现代奇迹般的除草剂,如WeedoneWeed-A-BombEndo-Weed,它们都是2,4-D和2,4,5-T除草剂的配方。

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Soon, the world was blessed with modern miracle weed killers, like Weedone and Weed-A-Bomb and Endo-Weed, all formulations of 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T herbicides.

这个人准备好除草了,因为他要用简单的方法。

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This man is ready to kill weeds, because he's going to do it the easy way.

这些化学物质实际上取代了锄头,从农田到铁路轨道和人行道,无处不在。

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These chemicals literally replaced the hoe, and everything from farm fields to railroad tracks and sidewalks.

它们基本上就是我们美丽的绿色美国草坪的来源,只有草,没有其他东西。

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They're essentially what gave us that beautiful green American lawn, just grass and nothing else.

因为有了这些除草剂,爸爸们知道再也没有理由让草坪杂草丛生了。

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Because with these herbicides, dad knew there was no longer any excuse for a weedy lawn.

孟山都的毒性秘密与二噁英的发现

到20世纪40年代末,除草剂业务已发展成为一个约1000万美元的产业,每个人都想参与其中,包括当时最大的化学公司之一:孟山都。

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By the late 1940s, their herbicide business had turned into a roughly $10 million industry, and everyone wanted in, including one of the biggest chemical companies at the time: Monsanto.

孟山都的一个主要除草剂工厂位于西弗吉尼亚州的尼特罗(Nitro),他们每天生产近一吨2,4,5-T。

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One of Monsanto's main herbicide factories was in Nitro, West Virginia, where they pumped out almost a ton of 2,4,5-T a day.

到1949年,孟山都的业务蓬勃发展,突然间……

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By 1949, Monsanto's business was booming, when all of a sudden...

工厂爆炸了。

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the plant exploded.

一百多名工人冲出来,看到一股黑云升到工厂上方40米高。

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Over a hundred workers rushed out to see a dark cloud rising 40 meters above the factory.

他们看着黑色的恶臭粉末开始落在他们的脸上。

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They watched as a black stinking powder started raining down on their faces.

几小时内,许多人病倒了。

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Within hours, many of these men fell ill.

首先,他们头痛恶心,但随后皮肤开始出现肿块、脓疱和痤疮。

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First, they got headaches and nausea, but then their skin began to erupt with bumps, pustules, and acne.

一些工人脸上的病变非常严重,以至于孟山都的现场医生不得不剥掉他们几层皮肤,试图清除这些病变。

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The lesions on some of the workers' faces got so bad that Monsanto's on-site doctors had to peel off layers of their skin in an attempt to remove them.

医生们后来注意到,当这些男人在密闭房间里时,有一种强烈的气味。

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The doctors later noted that when these men are in a closed room together, there is a strong odor.

他们写道:“我们认为这些男人正在通过皮肤排出一种外来化学物质。”

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They wrote, "We believe these men are excreting a foreign chemical through their skins."

但医生和孟山都的其他人都不清楚这种化学物质是什么,因为2,4,5-T和2,4-D都被宣传为非常安全。

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But neither the doctors nor anyone else at Monsanto knew what the chemical was because both 2,4,5-T and 2,4-D were marketed as very safe.

你看,当这些除草剂刚被引入时,最初的发明者琼斯甚至评论说,他认识一些人会不小心喝下或将除草剂喷洒在自己身上,但他们没有遭受任何健康影响。

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See, when the herbicides were first getting introduced, Jones, the original inventor, even remarked that he knew people who would accidentally drink or spray the herbicides onto themselves, and they suffered no ill health effects.

他们都很好。

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They were fine.

在他之后的一位医生评论说:

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And one of the doctors after him remarked that:

“我个人每天服用半克纯2,4-D,持续三周。结果如何,你们自己判断。”

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"I've personally taken one half a gram of pure 2,4-D a day for three weeks. You judge the results."

那是40年代,所以人们有点疯狂。

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It was the '40s, so people were a bit crazy.

但是的,它看起来相当安全。

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But yeah, it seemed pretty safe.

回到尼特罗,孟山都分析了他们用来制造2,4,5-T的所有其他成分,但仍然找不到导致工人皮肤如此爆发的原因。

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Back at Nitro, Monsanto analyzed all the other ingredients they were using to make 2,4,5-T, but they still couldn't find what was causing their workers' skin to erupt in this way.

他们的搜索似乎就此停止了。

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This is where their search seemingly stopped.

没有找到罪魁祸首,工厂的条件基本保持不变,孟山都只是给工人一个选择:要么继续使用2,4,5-T工作,要么走人。

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With no culprit, the conditions at the plant stayed mostly the same, and Monsanto just offered their workers a choice: either you'll keep on working with 2,4,5-T or you can take the gate.

对许多人来说,这根本不是一个选择,因为镇上几乎没有其他工作。

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For many, this was no choice at all since there were hardly any other jobs in town.

所以,大多数工人留了下来,工厂里的某种东西在接下来的几年里毒害着他们。

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So, most of the workers stayed with something inside the factory, poisoning them for years to come.

直到1957年,也就是爆炸发生8年后,一位名叫卡尔·舒尔茨(Karl Schulz)的德国皮肤科医生发现自己正在治疗患有类似病变和痤疮的病人。

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It wasn't until 1957, 8 years after the explosion, that a German dermatologist, Karl Schulz, found himself treating patients with similar-looking lesions and acne.

他对这些症状并不感到惊讶,因为许多病人都在汉堡附近的2,4,5-T工厂工作。

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He wasn't surprised by the symptoms because many of these patients worked in 2,4,5-T factories around Hamburg.

但当舒尔茨用实验室里的兔子耳朵测试说明书上的成分时,他没有得到任何反应。

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But when Schulz would test these ingredients from the instruction list on rabbit ears he had at the lab, he would get no reactions.

这让他很困惑。

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And this puzzled him.

为什么这些成分在他的测试中毫无作用,却同时在2,4,5-T工厂内引起这些痛苦的皮肤病?

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How do these ingredients do nothing in his own tests, but at the same time cause these painful skin disorders inside 2,4,5-T factories?

要制造2,4,5-T,你首先需要四氯苯(Tetrachlorobenzene: 一种有机化合物,是生产2,4,5-T的中间体),一个带有四个氯原子的苯环。

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Well, to make 2,4,5-T, you start with tetrachlorobenzene, a benzene ring with four chlorine atoms attached to it.

这些氯原子具有很强的电负性,所以它们想从附近的原子那里“偷”电子。

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These chlorine atoms are very electronegative, so they want to steal electrons from nearby atoms.

幸运的是,苯环中的六个碳原子都在环周围的模糊甜甜圈状云中共享它们的电子。

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Luckily for them, the six carbons in the benzene ring are all sharing their electrons in these fuzzy donut-shaped clouds around the ring.

图中的圆圈就是用来表示这个的。

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That's what this circle in the diagram is meant to represent.

氯原子拉扯这个电子云,使其更靠近自己,结果,苯环中的碳原子略带正电荷,氯原子略带负电荷。

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The chlorine atoms pull on this electron cloud, bringing it closer to themselves, and as a result, the carbons in the benzene ring become slightly positively charged and the chlorine's slightly negatively charged.

现在,如果你用氢氧化钠加热四氯苯,一个负的氢氧根离子会想与苯环中一个略带正电荷的碳原子结合。

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Now, if you heat up tetrachlorobenzene with sodium hydroxide, one of the negative hydroxide ions will want to bind to one of the slightly positively charged carbons in the benzene ring.

为了做到这一点,它会迫使氯原子离开,取而代之。

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And to do that, it forces out the chlorine atom, taking its place.

这会产生三氯苯酚(Trichlorophenol, TCP: 一种有机化合物,是生产2,4,5-T的关键成分),这是制造除草剂的关键成分。

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This creates trichlorophenol, or TCP, a key ingredient in making the herbicide.

从这里开始,如果你将反应保持在170摄氏度,你可以添加一系列化学物质,将这个氧尾生长成酸,从而得到2,4,5-T。

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From here, if you keep the reaction at 170 degrees Celsius, you can add a series of chemicals to grow out this oxygen tail into an acid, giving you 2,4,5-T.

理论上,这就是全部。

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On paper, this is all there is.

如果你严格遵循这些步骤并控制条件,那么这些成分都无法解释尼特罗工人所经历的可怕面部爆发。

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If you follow the exact steps here and control the conditions, then none of these ingredients will explain the horrible face eruptions that the Nitro workers were experiencing.

但舒尔茨对此并不满意。

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But Schulz wasn't satisfied with this.

也许条件并不完美。

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Maybe the conditions aren't perfect.

也许在这个过程中,存在某种秘密反应,正在污染整个化学品供应。

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Maybe there is something in this process, some secret reaction that is contaminating the whole chemical supply.

理想情况下,将四氯苯转化为2,4,5-T的工业过程应该在170摄氏度下进行。

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Ideally, the industrial process of transforming tetrachlorobenzene into 2,4,5-T should happen at 170 degrees Celsius.

但如果温度再高一点,即使只高几度,系统中的能量也足以让两个TCP分子融合在一起。

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But if the temperature gets any higher, even just a few degrees higher, there is suddenly enough energy in the system for two molecules of TCP to fuse together.

这会产生一种通常被称为二噁英(Dioxin: 一类剧毒的持久性有机污染物,是某些化学品生产过程中的副产品)的分子。

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This creates a molecule commonly known as dioxin.

它只形成微量,所以你可能预计每十万个2,4,5-T分子中大约会产生一到两个二噁英分子。

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It forms only in trace amounts, so you might expect to end up with roughly one or two molecules of dioxin for every hundred thousand molecules of 2,4,5-T.

这看起来太少了,不像是问题。

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It seemed too small to be a problem.

然而,舒尔茨决定测试一下。

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Nevertheless, Schulz decided to test it.

他取了一些被微量二噁英污染的TCP,涂抹在自己的皮肤上,结果他得了和尼特罗工厂工人一样的痤疮。

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He took some TCP, this time contaminated with trace amounts of dioxin, and rubbed it into his own skin, and he got the same acne as the workers at the Nitro plant.

舒尔茨一旦意识到这种威胁,他立即联系了德国所有大型化学品生产商,其中一家德国公司甚至致信孟山都和陶氏(Dow: 美国一家大型化学公司),美国另一家大型除草剂生产商,警告他们痤疮效应源于副产品(指二噁英)的污染。

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Once Schulz realized the threat here, he immediately contacted all the big chemical producers in Germany, and one of these German companies even sent letters to both Monsanto and Dow, the other big herbicide producer in the US, and they warned them that the acne-causing effects are stemming from pollution through byproducts, referring to dioxin.

他们甚至列出了污染在生产过程中的确切发生时间以及如何预防。

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They even listed when exactly during the process the contamination was happening and what to do to prevent it.

然而,孟山都否认收到过这些信件,陶氏则表示他们不知何故将其误归档了。

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Yet, Monsanto denied ever getting these letters, and Dow said they somehow misfiled them.

无论如何,两家公司都很清楚,2,4,5-T的生产过程中有某种东西正在毒害他们的工人。

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Regardless, it was obvious to both companies that something in the production of 2,4,5-T was poisoning their workers.

但孟山都并未向公众警告这种危险,也许是因为这些除草剂即将为他们带来巨额利润。

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But Monsanto didn't warn the public about the danger, perhaps because the herbicides were about to make them a whole lot of money.

越战的阴影:橙剂的灾难性后果

1961年,南越总统正在与新成立的越共交战。

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In 1961, the president of South Vietnam was at war with the newly founded Viet Cong.

这支游击队决心推翻他的统治,在共产主义政权下统一越南。

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This guerrilla force was set on overthrowing his rule and uniting Vietnam under a communist regime.

越共是丛林战的大师。

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The Viet Cong were masters of the jungle.

他们为敌人设置致命陷阱,并利用地下隧道伏击敌人。

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They laid deadly traps for their enemies and ambushed them using underground tunnels.

南越在战争中节节败退,所以总统面临一个选择:要么接受在丛林中的失败,要么摧毁它。

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South Vietnam was losing the war, so the president faced a choice: either accept defeat in the jungle or destroy it.

他向盟友美国求助。

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He reached out to his allies, the US, and asked them for help.

很快,他们带着数千桶除草剂飞了过来。

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Soon, they came in flying with thousands of barrels of herbicide.

这就是“牧场手行动”(Operation Ranch Hand)的开始。

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This was the start of Operation Ranch Hand.

美国选择的除草剂是橙剂(Agent Orange: 越战期间美军使用的落叶剂,由2,4-D和2,4,5-T混合而成,含有二噁英),由美国最大的化学品制造商提供,是2,4-D和2,4,5-T的50/50混合物。

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The US's herbicide of choice was Agent Orange, a 50/50 split of 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T supplied by the US's biggest chemical manufacturers.

按体积计算,最大的供应商是孟山都。

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The largest supplier by volume was Monsanto.

橙剂肆虐南越,摧毁了20%的丛林。

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Agent Orange ravaged through South Vietnam destroying 20% of the jungles.

平民和双方士兵也都被喷洒了,大多是意外。

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And civilians and soldiers on both sides got sprayed with it too, mostly by accident.

政府向他们保证,它对人类、动物或饮用水无毒,但孟山都和陶氏心知肚明。

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The government assured them that it is not toxic to humans, animals, or drinking water, but Monsanto and Dow knew otherwise.

你看,在“牧场手行动”期间,他们秘密交换了关于除草剂的信息。

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See during Ranch Hand, they secretly exchanged information on their herbicides.

在其中一封信中,陶氏承认多年来一直污染2,4,5-T的二噁英是“他们所经历过的毒性最强的化合物”,即使是微量也会导致致残性痤疮。

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And in one of the letters, Dow acknowledged that dioxin, which had been contaminating 2,4,5-T for years was "the most toxic compound they have ever experienced", and that even trace amounts of it caused incapacitating acne.

到1965年,两家公司都清楚二噁英的威胁,然而没有任何记录表明孟山都或陶氏曾向美国政府发出警告。

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By 1965, it was obvious that both companies understood what sort of threat dioxin was, and yet there are no records that Monsanto or Dow ever sent communication to the US government warning them about the threat.

事实上,据报道陶氏的副总裁曾说:“如果政府知道这件事,整个行业都会受苦。”

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In fact, Dow's vice president reportedly said, "If the government learns about this, the whole industry will suffer."

结果,美国向南越喷洒了7200万升橙剂,其中只有80升二噁英。

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As a result, the US sprayed South Vietnam with 72 million liters of Agent Orange, within which was just 80 liters of dioxin.

尽管这看起来不多,但造成的损害是无法弥补的。

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And even though that doesn't seem like much, the damage was irreparable.

平民和双方士兵都患上了皮肤病和癌症。

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Civilians and soldiers on both sides suffered from skin diseases and cancer.

儿童出生时带有身体和精神残疾。

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Children were born with physical and mental disabilities.

据一些估计,多达三百万人遭受了橙剂的影响。

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By some estimates, as many as three million people suffered from the effects of Agent Orange.

这激怒了公众。

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This outraged the public.

1967年,5000名科学家签署了一份请愿书,谴责总统使用除草剂。

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In 1967, 5,000 scientists signed a petition to the president condemning his use of the herbicides.

孟山都也受到了审查,因为监管机构正在注意到2,4,5-T中含有的二噁英。

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And Monsanto was under scrutiny too, because regulators were catching on to the dioxin contained in 2,4,5-T.

这种除草剂即将被淘汰,这将损害他们的利润。

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The herbicide was about to be phased out, compromising their bottom line.

孟山都需要一个奇迹,而且要快。

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Monsanto needed a miracle, and they needed it fast.

草甘膦与农达:新一代除草剂的崛起

他们的想法是用一种更安全的除草剂来替代2,4,5-T。

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Their idea was to replace 2,4,5-T with a safer herbicide.

但经过九年的研究,他们一无所获。

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But after nine years of research, they weren't getting anywhere.

农业部门的所有科学家都将这项新计划称为“死区”。

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All of the scientists in the Agricultural department referred to this new initiative as a dead area.

该项目仅存的科学家之一是约翰·E·弗朗茨(John E. Franz),到1970年初,他也快要放弃了。

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One of the last remaining scientists on the project was John E. Franz, and by early 1970, he was about to give it up too.

但在放弃项目之前,弗朗茨决定进行最后一组实验,所以他想出了19种可能作为除草剂的资产,并决定测试它们。

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But before abandoning the project, Franz decided to do one final set of experiments, so he thought up 19 possible assets that could maybe work as herbicides and decided to test them out.

他准备了第一种除草剂,但什么也没发生。

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He prepped the first herbicide, but nothing happened.

植物完全没事,除草剂没有任何活性。

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The plant was completely fine, and the herbicide had no activity.

然后他决定测试第二种除草剂,并将其施用于植物。

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Then he decided to test the second herbicide, and he applied it to a plant.

它的效力是团队见过的任何除草剂的10倍。

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It was 10 times more powerful than any herbicide the team had ever seen.

据说,它让植物变得超级……

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And allegedly, it made the plants super...

它让植物变得超级恶心。

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It made the plants super nasty.

那太恶心了。

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That was disgusting.

这种奇迹化合物就是草甘膦(Glyphosate: 一种广谱除草剂,能杀死大多数植物)。

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This miracle compound was glyphosate,

它一端是膦酸基团,另一端是羧基,中间有一个氮、氢或氨基。

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a phosphonic acid group on one end and a carboxyl group on the other with a nitrogen, hydrogen, or amino group in between.

为了确保其商业可行性,弗朗茨和他的同事在户外田地里进行了测试。

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To make sure it was commercially feasible, Franz and his colleague set up tests in these outdoor fields.

当其中一位科学家乘坐飞机返回这些试验场时,他看到了结果。

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And as one of the scientists was getting back to these test sites, he saw the results from the plane.

一目了然。

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It was clear as day.

他所能做的就是在性能报告上写下“尤里卡”(Eureka)。

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All he could do is write Eureka across the performance report.

这是他们见过的最好的除草剂。

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It was the best herbicide they'd ever seen.

是什么让它如此擅长杀死植物?

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What made it so great at killing plants?

植物为了生存,会使用一种化学途径,一系列反应来产生三种重要的氨基酸,没有这些酸它们就会死亡。

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Well, for plants to survive, they use a chemical pathway, a series of reactions to create three important amino acids, acids without which they die.

这个过程被称为莽草酸途径(Shikimate pathway: 植物和微生物特有的代谢途径,用于合成芳香族氨基酸),因为它始于莽草酸,以日本的莽草花(Shikimi flower)命名。

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This process is known as the Shikimate pathway because it starts with shikimic acid named after the Japanese Shikimi flower.

在其中一个步骤中,两种酸S3P和PEP需要转化为第三种化合物,但它们只能在一种叫做EPSPS酶(EPSPS enzyme: 一种植物和微生物特有的酶,参与芳香族氨基酸的合成)的帮助下才能做到,这种酶催化反应并帮助两个分子结合。

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During one of the steps, two acids, S3P and PEP need to transform into a third compound, but they can only do that with the help of an enzyme called EPSPS, which catalyzes the reaction and helps the two molecules combine.

然而,如果草甘膦在反应中存在,它将开始模仿PEP,因为它们的几何形状非常相似。

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However, if glyphosate is present during this reaction, it will begin to mimic PEP because they have a very similar geometry.

因此,草甘膦实际上会首先与EPSPS结合,阻止其作为催化剂发挥作用。

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And because of that, glyphosate actually binds first to EPSPS blocking it from acting as a catalyst.

现在,酸无法转化,整个莽草酸途径被破坏。

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Now, the acids can't transform and the whole Shikimate pathway is destroyed.

没有它,就没有氨基酸,植物就会死亡。

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Without it, there are no amino acids and the plant dies.

至关重要的是,莽草酸途径是植物以及细菌和真菌等生物特有的。

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Crucially, the Shikimate pathway is unique to plants and things like bacteria and fungi.

人类和动物没有它。

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Humans and animals don't have it.

事实上,我们必须吃含有这三种氨基酸的食物。

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In fact, we have to eat foods that contain these three amino acids.

但对孟山都来说,这是个好消息,因为他们可以宣传草甘膦针对植物中的酶,而不是人类或宠物中的酶。

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But for Monsanto, this was good news because they could market that glyphosate targets an enzyme found in plants, but not in humans or pets.

经过几十年的有毒产品,孟山都终于有了一种他们确信是安全的产品。

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After decades of toxic products, Monsanto finally had one which they were sure was safe.

研究还表明,喷洒草甘膦后,土壤中的微生物会将其分解成安全的副产品。

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And research was also showing that after you spray glyphosate, the microorganisms in the soil break it down into safe byproducts.

它是可生物降解的。

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It was biodegradable.

草甘膦是完美的,所以他们毫不拖延地将其推向市场。

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Glyphosate was perfect, so they wasted no time in getting it on the market.

1974年,孟山都推出了一种新的热门除草剂——农达(Roundup)。

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In 1974, Monsanto had a new hit herbicide... Roundup.

农达更好。

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Roundup is better.

它通过植物杀死植物,包括顶部和根茎。

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It goes through the plant to kill it, tops and rhizomes.

我的根很痛。

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My roots hurt real bad.

汉克,汉克!

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Hank, Hank!

农达。无根,无杂草,无问题。

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Roundup. No root, no weed, no problem.

农民们喜欢它,因为与2,4-D不同,草甘膦能杀死所有杂草,不仅是阔叶杂草,还有禾本科杂草。

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Farmers loved it because unlike 2,4-D, glyphosate killed every weed, not just broad-leaved ones, but grassy too.

它让他们能够实践一种叫做免耕农业(No-till farming: 一种耕作方式,不翻动土壤,直接在作物残茬上播种)的方法。

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It allowed them to practice something called no-till farming.

通常,为了除草,你必须在种植任何东西之前犁地,这会伤害土壤,而且工作量也很大。

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See, usually to get rid of weeds, you'd have to plow up the entire field before planting anything, and that would hurt the soil, and it was also just a lot work.

但有了农达,你只需喷洒整个田地,所有东西都会死亡,然后你就可以直接播种到残茬中。

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But with Roundup, what you do is you spray the whole field, everything dies, and then you just plant directly into the residue.

它更简单、更快、更便宜。

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It was easier, faster, and cheaper.

而且农达使用起来也很安全。

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And Roundup was safe to use too.

他们将其宣传为比食盐更安全,基本上安全到可以饮用。

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They marketed it as safer than table salt and safe enough to drink, basically.

农达可以在儿童和宠物玩耍的地方使用,并分解成天然物质。

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Roundup can be used where kids and pets will play and breaks down into natural materials.

到80年代末,孟山都每年销售700万磅农达,赚取10亿美元。

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By the late eighties, Monsanto was selling seven million pounds of Roundup and making a billion dollars each year.

他们不会与任何人分享一分钱。

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And they weren't going to share a penny of that money with anyone.

你看,对于其他除草剂,比如当时比较流行的阿拉氯(Alachlor),你可以稍微调整一下分子,仍然能得到一种非常有效的除草剂。

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See, with other herbicides, like for example, Alachlor, which was moderately popular at the time, you can tweak the molecule a bit here or there, and you still get a very potent weed killer,

所以如果你为一种特定的除草剂申请了专利,你的竞争对手仍然可以使用数百种其近亲,它们仍然能完美地发挥作用,而不会侵犯你的专利权。

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so if you patented a specific herbicide, your competitors could still use hundreds of its close relatives, which would still work perfectly well without violating your patent rights.

但草甘膦不同,如果你以任何方式修改分子,它的除草特性就会完全消失。

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But glyphosate was different, if you were to modify the molecule in any way, its herbicidal properties were completely gone,

所以孟山都大可以安心,知道直到2000年,他们将是唯一能够销售它的人。

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so Monsanto could rest easy knowing that until the year 2000, they would be the only ones able to sell it.

农达就绪:转基因种子的垄断之路

但草甘膦有一个小问题。

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But there was a little problem with glyphosate.

你看,与只杀死阔叶杂草的2,4-D不同,农达杀死所有东西。

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See, unlike 2,4-D, which only killed broadleaved weeds, Roundup kills everything.

我在这里喷洒了一些我自己的室内植物,你可以看到结果。

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I sprayed some of my own houseplants here and well, you can see the results.

很有可能,只要是绿色的,农达就会杀死它。

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Chances are if it's green, Roundup is going to kill it.

这是一个问题,因为农民只能在田地里喷洒农达两次,要么在播种前,要么在收获后。

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And this was a problem because farmers could only really spray Roundup on their field twice, either right before planting the seeds or right after a harvest.

但对孟山都来说,这并不是一个大问题。

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But for Monsanto, this wasn't as much of a problem.

你看,他们认为,如果我们能以某种方式使大豆或玉米等作物对农达产生抗性,那么农民就可以全年喷洒它,它会继续杀死杂草,但不会杀死对农达有抗性的作物。

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See, they thought if we could somehow make the crops like soybean or corn resistant to Roundup, well then farmers could spray it on their field during the whole year, and it would keep killing the weeds, but not the Roundup resistant crops.

孟山都就可以向他们出售这些作物。

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Crops which Monsanto could sell them.

结果,他们将对除草剂和种子供应拥有完全的垄断。

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And as a result, they would have a complete monopoly over both the herbicide and the seed supply.

孟山都的想法是,如果草甘膦阻断植物中的EPSPS酶,那么他们就可以编辑植物的DNA,使细胞产生更多的EPSPS。

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Monsanto's idea was this, if glyphosate blocks the EPSPS enzyme in plants then they could edit the plant's DNA so that the cells just create more EPSPS.

如果酶足够多,草甘膦就无法完全阻断它,植物仍然可以存活。

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If there's enough of the enzyme then glyphosate can't block all of it, and so the plant can still survive.

他们在矮牵牛上尝试了这种方法,但没有成功。

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They tried this out on petunias, but it didn't work.

这些花能抵抗微量的农达,但正常剂量仍然会杀死它们。

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The flowers would survive a tiny amount of Roundup, but a normal dose would still kill them.

孟山都有些束手无策,他们没有时间休息,因为虽然草甘膦和农达受其专利保护,但对农达有抗性的种子却不受保护。

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Monsanto was kind of stumped, and they didn't have time to rest, because while glyphosate and Roundup were under their patents, a Roundup resistant seed wasn't.

他们的竞争对手知道这一点。

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And their competitors knew this.

1985年,一家名为卡尔基因(Calgene)的公司在《自然》(Nature: 国际科学期刊)杂志上发表了一篇论文,表明他们使烟草对草甘膦略有抗性。

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In 1985, a company called Calgene published a paper in nature showing that they made tobacco slightly resistant to glyphosate.

这篇论文显示了希望,但更重要的是,它让孟山都清楚他们时间不多了。

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The paper showed promise, but more importantly, it made it clear to Monsanto that they were running out of time.

他们的研究人员绝望地称这场专利竞赛为“曼哈顿计划”。

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Their researchers were desperate calling this patent race the "Manhattan Project".

然后其中一位工程师有了一个绝妙的主意。

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And then one of the engineers had a genius idea.

孟山都有大量的工厂将磷酸盐转化为草甘膦,这些工厂会渗出大量污泥。

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Monsanto had a ton of these factories where they were converting phosphate into glyphosate, and they had a lot of sludge leaching out of these factories,

所以如果这些工厂周围的污泥中有任何生物存活,就有可能对草甘膦产生抗性。

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so if there was anything living around these factories in this sludge, there was a chance it was resistant to glyphosate.

研究人员去了其中一家工厂,舀出污泥,在里面发现了一种沙门氏菌菌株,这让他们很惊讶,因为沙门氏菌通常依赖莽草酸途径,但在这里它却在草甘膦中茁壮成长。

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The researchers went to one of these factories, scooped it out, and found a strain of salmonella in there, which was surprising to them because salmonella usually relies on the Shikimate pathway, but here it was thriving in glyphosate.

孟山都的科学家分离了沙门氏菌的基因序列,发现它已经进化出一种突变EPSPS酶形状的方法,使得草甘膦无法与其结合并阻断莽草酸途径。

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Monsanto's scientists isolated the salmonella's genetic sequence, and found that it had evolved a way to mutate the shape of its EPSPS enzyme so that glyphosate couldn't bind to it and block the Shikimate pathway.

科学家们将沙门氏菌的DNA装载到基因枪上,不是这里展示的这把,但实际上非常相似。

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The scientists took that salmonella DNA and loaded it onto a gene gun, not this one here, but it's actually surprisingly similar.

他们将数千条沙门氏菌DNA片段放置在基因枪中的微小金颗粒上,然后以每小时1400公里的速度将其射入植物组织中。

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See, they placed thousands of these salmonella DNA strips onto microscopic gold particles in the gene gun, which they then fired into the plant tissue all over, at 1,400 kilometers per hour.

金颗粒会轰击植物细胞,其中一些会进入细胞核。

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The gold particles would bombard the plant cells, and some of them would make it into the nucleus.

在这里,DNA从金颗粒上脱离,并整合到植物的染色体中。

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Here, the DNA detaches from the gold, and it integrates itself into the plant's chromosomes.

现在,每次细胞分裂时,它都会复制新的EPSPS基因。

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Now, every time this cell divides, it copies over the new EPSPS gene.

孟山都的科学家将含有这些基因的种子种植在田地里,并喷洒农达,但什么也没发生。大豆具有抗性。

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Monsanto scientists planted seeds with these genes out in the field and sprayed them with Roundup, but nothing happened. The soybean was resistant.

孟山都确保迅速行动,很快他们发现了更有效的细菌,并成功使其他作物物种也具有免疫力。

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Monsanto made sure to act quickly soon after they found even more potent bacteria, and they were able to make other crop species immune too.

到1998年,他们拥有了对草甘膦有抗性的油菜、玉米和棉花的专利。

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And by 1998, they had patents for glyphosate resistant canola, corn, and cotton.

他们将这一系列转基因种子称为“农达就绪”(Roundup Ready: 孟山都公司开发的基因改造作物,能抵抗草甘膦除草剂)。

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They called this lineup of GMO seeds Roundup Ready.

这些农达就绪种子瞬间占领了市场。

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These Roundup Ready seeds took over the market in an instant.

到2001年,美国种植的所有大豆中,超过70%是孟山都的,农达每年为他们带来超过25亿美元的收入。

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Already by 2001, more than 70% of all soybeans grown in the US were Monsanto's with Roundup making them more than $2.5 billion a year.

这是有史以来最畅销的农产品。

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It was the best-selling agricultural product ever.

每个农民都可以通过签署孟山都的《技术使用协议》来加入这场“农达+农达就绪”革命。

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And every farmer could join in on this Roundup plus Roundup Ready revolution just by signing Monsanto's Technology Use Agreement.

我这里有一份2011年的协议,我想读一些条款。

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I've got one of these agreements from 2011 here, and I just wanted to read some terms.

接受并希望使用这些种子的种植者或农民同意不保存或清洁任何由这些种子生产的作物用于种植。

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The grower or the farmer who accepts and wants to use these seeds agrees to not save or clean any crop produced from the seed for planting.

农民还同意不向任何人提供由这些种子生产的种子用于种植,这意味着你不能保存去年购买的种子今年种植,也不能与他人分享或出售你的种子。

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And the farmer also agrees not to supply the seed produced from the seed to anyone for planting, meaning you cannot save the seeds you bought last year to plant this year, and you also cannot share or sell your seeds to anyone else.

还有一条,农民同意识别并允许孟山都及其代表进入种植者或农民耕种的土地。

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Here's another one, the farmer agrees to identify and allow Monsanto and its representatives access to the land farmed by the grower or the farmer.

这允许孟山都检查并采集作物、作物残茬或其中种子的样本。

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And this allows Monsanto to examine and take samples of the crops, crop residue or the seeds located therein.

最后一条,种植者通过签署本协议或打开一袋种子,即接受以下通知要求的条款。

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And here's a final one, the grower accepts the terms of the following notice requirements by signing this agreement, or by opening a bag of seeds.

所以你甚至只需打开一袋种子就同意了这些条款。

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So you're agreeing to these terms even just by opening a bag of seeds.

如果你认为这份合同很疯狂,你应该看看我们今天在线签署的那些条款和条件。

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If you thought that this contract was crazy, you should see the stuff that we sign up to today online.

我这里有一些社交媒体网站的条款和条件。

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I have some terms and conditions here from a social media website.

上面写着:

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Here's what it says.

“我们可能会收集生物识别标识符,我们可能会推断您的属性,例如年龄范围和性别。”

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"We may collect biometric identifiers, and we may infer your attributes, such as age range and gender."

所以他们可以扫描你的脸并将这些数据出售给广告商。

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So they're able to scan your face and sell that data to advertisers.

就在过去几个月里,公司一直在积极推动其条款和条件,试图获取更多你的数据。

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And just in the last couple of months, companies have been making these aggressive pushes to their terms and conditions to try and get more of your data,

他们可以用它来训练人工智能模型,或者只是出售给数据经纪人。

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and they can use it to train AI models or just sell it to data brokers.

这不仅仅意味着烦人的广告、垃圾邮件和电话。

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And this doesn't just mean annoying ads and spam emails and phone calls.

执法部门可以购买你的数据,普通人也可以购买。

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Law enforcement can buy your data, and normal people can buy it too.

甚至包括你的位置历史记录。

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Even stuff like your location history.

所有这些都是完全合法的。

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And all of that is perfectly legal,

但幸运的是,你可以通过今天的赞助商Incogni的帮助来防止这种情况发生。

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but luckily you can take steps to prevent it with the help of today's sponsor, Incogni.

你看,我从六月开始使用Incogni。

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See, I started using Incogni in June.

看,你可以看到他们已经联系了46家数据经纪人来删除我的个人数据,其中42个请求已经完成,而且我收到的垃圾邮件确实减少了。

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Look, you can see that they already contacted 46 data brokers to delete my personal data, and 42 of those requests have been completed, and I've actually been getting fewer spam emails.

新功能是他们现在提供无限计划和自定义删除服务。

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The new thing is that they now offer an unlimited plan with custom removals.

所以如果你在网上浏览时看到一个网站有你的数据,即使它不应该有这些数据,你也可以请Incogni的专家手动为你删除。

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So if you are browsing online and see a website with your data, even though it shouldn't have the data, you can ask one of Incogni's experts to manually take it down for you.

如果你想将这种保护扩展到其他人,他们也有一个家庭计划,最多支持五名成员。

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And if you want to extend that sort of protection to someone else, they also have a family plan that supports up to five members.

要尝试它,请访问incogni.com/veritasium,并使用代码Veritasium获得60%的折扣。

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To try it, go to incogni.com/veritasium, and use the code Veritasium to get 60% off.

你也可以使用这个二维码。

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You can also use this QR code.

那是incogni.com/veritasium,或者你也可以点击描述中的链接。

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That's incogni.com/veritasium, or you can also click the link in the description.

我要感谢Incogni赞助视频的这一部分,现在回到农民和他们必须签署的条款和条件。

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I want to thank Incogni for sponsoring this part of the video, and now back to farmers and the terms and conditions they had to sign.

企业控制与农民恐吓:孟山都的铁腕手段

那么,农民们难道不能决定不使用孟山都的种子和除草剂吗?

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Well, couldn't farmers just decide not to use Monsanto's seeds and herbicide?

问题是,如果你有农达就绪种子并用农达喷洒它们,你这边一切都会很好。

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The thing was, you have Roundup Ready seeds and you spray them with Roundup, everything's going to be fine on your end.

但你的邻居没有农达就绪种子,所以如果你的除草剂飘到邻居那边,它会杀死他的植物。

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But your neighbor doesn't have Roundup Ready seeds, so if your herbicide drifts over to your neighbor's side, it's going to kill his plants.

所以邻居们担心他们的作物会损失,于是他们也购买了农达就绪种子,很快,孟山都控制了整个市场。

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So neighbors were concerned thinking their crops were going to be lost, so they got Roundup Ready as well, and soon enough, Monsanto controlled the whole market.

这种控制并没有就此结束。

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And the control didn't end there.

正如俄亥俄州的一位种子种植者回忆的那样,孟山都的销售员会告诉人们,他们要么签约,要么在未来两年内全部倒闭。

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As one seed grower from Ohio remembers it, Monsanto's salesman would tell people they could either sign on, or they'd all be out of business within the next two years.

孟山都将主宰整个种子行业,没有人能对此做些什么。

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Monsanto was going to dominate the entire seed industry, and there was nothing anybody could do about it.

所以成千上万的农民签署了这份协议,而且这不是一份好协议。

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So hundreds of thousands of farmers signed the deal, and it wasn't a good one.

2004年7月下旬的一个晚上,印第安纳州农民戴夫·拉尼恩(Dave Runyon)在家休息时,两个人敲响了他的门。

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One evening in late July of 2004, an Indiana farmer named Dave Runyon was relaxing at home when two men knocked on his door.

他们让我相信他们正在为一本杂志做调查。

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They led me to believe that they were doing a survey for a magazine.

他们想知道我种植了什么作物。

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They wanted to know what kind of crops I planted.

他们想知道我使用了什么除草剂,我购买和使用的种子。

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They wanted to know what kind of herbicides I used, the seed I bought and purchased and used.

拉尼恩不感兴趣,所以他决定关门,这时他听到其中一个人说:“我想他有罪。”

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Runyon wasn't interested, so he decided to shut the door, when he heard one of the men say, "I think he's guilty."

拉尼恩不知道他们是什么意思,但几个月后,他收到孟山都的一封信,说他有七天时间将所有商业记录交给公司。

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Runyon didn't know what they meant, but a few months later, he got a letter from Monsanto saying that he had seven days to turn over all of his business records to the company.

他很震惊,因为拉尼恩是少数几个从未与孟山都签订合同的农民之一,然而他们却威胁要以专利侵权起诉他。

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He was shocked, because Runyon was one of the few farmers that never signed a contract with Monsanto, and yet here they were threatening to sue him for patent infringement.

显然,有人向孟山都告密说拉尼恩一直在非法重新种植他们的种子,全国各地的农民都收到了类似类型的信件。

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Apparently, someone had tipped Monsanto off that Runyon had been replanting their seeds illegally, and farmers all across the country were getting the same types of letters.

老实说,孟山都试图控制农民的程度很难夸大。

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Honestly, it's kind of hard to overstate how much Monsanto tried to control farmers.

他们派遣私人侦探和前警察检查美国各地的农场,挥舞着合同条款和条件,要求农民允许他们进入自己的土地。

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They sent private detectives and ex-cops to inspect farms all over the US, waving their terms and conditions of the contract into farmers' faces to let them onto their property.

他们雇佣飞机和直升机飞行员从空中侦察农田,寻找侵权迹象。

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They hired plane and helicopter pilots to survey the farmlands from above for signs of infringement.

诉讼,威胁。

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The lawsuits, the threats.

人们怎么可能与他们抗衡?

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How could people possibly stand up to them?

他们甚至有一个公司热线,1-800-ROUNDUP,农民可以打电话举报他们的邻居。

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And they even had a company hotline, 1-800-ROUNDUP, that farmers could call to snitch on their neighbors.

它仍然存在。

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It still exists.

1-800-ROUNDUP。

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1-800-ROUNDUP.

你现在要打电话吗?

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You're calling them now?

我想我打对了。

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I think I got it right.

如果您有关于种子滥用或合规性问题的信息,请按三。

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If you have information about the misuse of seed or a compliance issue, please press three.

那个电话号码在我们谈论的那个时期就已经存在了,人们可以告发他们的邻居。

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That phone number was in existence in the same time that we're talking about there, where people could rat out their neighbor.

正如拉尼恩自己所说:“今天的乡村充满了不信任。你永远不知道谁会举报你。你甚至可以故意在别人的土地上种植未经授权的种子,如果你想毁掉他们的话。”

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As Runyon himself puts it, "There is much mistrust in the countryside today. You never know who might report on you. You could actually willfully plant unauthorized seed in somebody's land if you want to destroy them."

2010年,孟山都回应了农民对这些调查的担忧,并发布了一份关于其专利的承诺声明。

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Now, in 2010, Monsanto responded to farmers' concerns about these investigations and released a commitment statement regarding their patents.

他们提到了对透明度和道德行为的承诺,正确地展示身份,并且当农民田地中只存在微量种子时,不执行其专利权。

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They mentioned their pledge to transparency and ethical behavior, properly introducing themselves with displayed identification, and not exercising their patent rights when only trace amounts of their seed is present in a farmer's field.

虽然孟山都最终放过了拉尼恩,但到2013年,他们起诉了400多名农民,赚取了超过2000万美元。

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While Monsanto ultimately ended up letting Runyon go, by 2013, they sued over 400 farmers, raking in over $20 million.

许多农民因此破产,无数其他人即使无辜也选择庭外和解,因为他们无法承担法律费用。

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Many of these farmers went bankrupt, and countless others settled with Monsanto out of court even if they were innocent, because they just couldn't risk the legal fees.

你知道,他们甚至一度影响广播电台,广播电台会在节目中公开说出那些保存农达种子的农民的名字。

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You know, they were actually influencing radio stations at one point, and the radio stations would publicly say the name of the people who were saving Roundup seeds on air.

这听起来真像一个超级反派的阴谋。

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That sounds like a supervillain plot, really.

是的,人们甚至开始称他们为“魔鬼山都”(Mon-satan),所以……

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Yeah, well people actually started calling them Mon-satan, so...

这种恐惧和偏执的文化让邻里之间互相敌对,尤其是在一些农民不愿使用孟山都除草剂系统的社区。

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This culture of fear and paranoia turned neighbors against each other, especially in communities where some farmers didn't wish to use Monsanto's herbicide system.

迈克·华莱士就是其中一位农民。

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One of those farmers was Mike Wallace.

你看,迈克这里有一块大豆田,它对孟山都的除草剂没有抗性,但他的邻居也种植大豆,却使用了孟山都的系统。

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See, Mike had a field of soybean here that wasn't resistant to Monsanto's herbicide, but his neighbor who was also growing soybean did use Monsanto's system.

需要明确的是,这种除草剂不是草甘膦本身,而是孟山都的另一种除草剂产品,叫做迪坎巴(Dicamba: 一种选择性除草剂,用于控制阔叶杂草),但它仍然包含在农达和农达就绪系统中。

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Now, to be clear, this herbicide wasn't glyphosate itself, it was Monsanto's other herbicide product called Dicamba, but it was still packaged in this Roundup and Roundup Ready system.

有一天,迈克注意到他的一些大豆正在死亡,他怀疑是邻近农场的除草剂飘过来杀死了他的大豆。

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Now, one day Mike noticed that some of his soybean was dying, and he suspected it was the herbicide from the neighboring farm drifting over, killing his soybean,

他可以判断出是这种情况,因为邻居大豆下面的杂草正在死亡,据称是由于除草剂的原因。

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and he could tell this was the case because the weeds underneath the neighbor's soybean were dying, allegedly because of the herbicide.

他认为这给他造成了大约十万美元的损失,但邻居否认这是他的错。

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And he believed this caused him around a hundred thousand dollars in damages, but the neighbor denied that it was his fault.

现在,两个农场之间的紧张关系加剧,所以迈克想和农场的一名工人聊聊情况。

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Now, the tensions between the two farms grew, so Mike wanted to chat with one of the workers from the farm to discuss the situation.

他们在两个农场附近的一条乡村田间小路上见面,接下来发生的事情并不清楚。

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They met on a country field road near both farms, and what happened next isn't really clear.

事情很快就变得糟糕起来。

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Things got sour quickly.

据称,迈克抓住了工人的手臂,所以工人挣脱并掏出枪,“直到枪空了才停止射击华莱士”。

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Allegedly, Mike grabbed the worker's arm, so the worker pulled back and pulled out his gun, "shooting Wallace until the gun was empty".

类似的悲剧在世界各地发生。

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Similar kinds of tragedies were happening all over the world.

孟山都渗透到印度、阿根廷、加拿大、巴西甚至越南的农业社区。

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Monsanto infiltrated farming communities in India, Argentina, Canada, Brazil, and even Vietnam.

到2010年代,他们几乎是一个不可触及的垄断企业。

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By the 2010s, they were an almost untouchable monopoly.

致癌物争议与孟山都文件:真相浮出水面

然后,在2015年3月20日,一个独立科学小组,即国际癌症研究机构(International Agency for Research on Cancer, IARC: 世界卫生组织下属的癌症研究机构),突然发布了这份文件,称“草甘膦可能对人类致癌”。

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Then out of the blue on March 20th 2015, an independent science panel called the International Agency for Research on Cancer, or IARC, came out with this, a paper saying, "Glyphosate is probably carcinogenic to humans."

世界上最受欢迎的除草剂可能致癌。

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The most popular weed killer in the world may cause cancer.

IARC将草甘膦分类为可能的致癌物,对人体细胞中的染色体和DNA造成损害。

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IARC's classification of glyphosate as a probable carcinogen. damage to chromosomes and DNA in human cells.

这让所有人,尤其是孟山都,都感到震惊。

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This came as a shock to everyone, especially Monsanto.

他们不知道IARC是如何得出这样的结论的。

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They don't know how IARC could reach a conclusion such as this one.

你看,其他大型健康组织,如美国环境保护局(EPA),甚至世界卫生组织(World Health Organization, WHO: 联合国下属的国际公共卫生机构),实际上是IARC的母组织,都声称草甘膦对人类和动物没有致癌风险。

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See, other big health organizations, like the US Environmental Protection Agency, the EPA, and even the World Health Organization, which is actually the parent organization to IARC, both claimed that glyphosate posed no carcinogenic risk to humans and animals.

我认为IARC的这一认定让公众大吃一惊,因为孟山都在40多年里一直成功地说服世界,这种物质比食盐更安全。

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I think the IARC designation took the public by such huge surprise, because Monsanto had really done such a good job for 40-plus years convincing the world that this stuff was safer than table salt.

孟山都对这一裁决感到愤怒,所以在同一天,他们向世界卫生组织发了一封措辞严厉的信,抱怨这种分类需要立即纠正。

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Monsanto was furious about this ruling, so on the same day, they sent a scathing letter to the World Health Organization complaining how this classification needs to be rectified immediately.

他们声称IARC选择无视数十项研究,并认为关于草甘膦的结论必须公正、彻底并基于高质量的科学。

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They claimed IARC chose to disregard dozens of studies, and that conclusions on glyphosate must be non-biased, thorough, and based on quality science.

不久之后,五篇评论文章发表,抨击IARC的分类并批评其决定。

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Soon after, five review papers came out bashing the IARC classification and criticizing their decision.

那么,为什么IARC会与其他所有机构意见不一,为什么他们会忽视这么多研究呢?

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So why would IARC disagree with all the other agencies, and why would they ignore so many studies?

加州律师布伦特·威斯纳(Brent Wisner)正是想回答这个问题。

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Well, this is exactly the question California lawyer Brent Wisner wanted to answer.

威斯纳已经调查孟山都一段时间了。

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Wisner had been looking into Monsanto for a while now.

据称,农达导致蜜蜂数量下降,所以他认为他可以以此提起诉讼。

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Allegedly, Roundup was causing a decline in the bee population, so he thought he could make a case out of it.

但有一天,威斯纳的一位同事告诉他,她的表姐夫一直在农场使用农达,时间长得她都记不清了,然后他和他的狗都患上了非霍奇金淋巴瘤(Non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, NHL: 一种淋巴系统的癌症),并于2015年末去世。

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But one day, one of Wisner's colleagues told him that her cousin-in-law had been using Roundup on his farm for as long as she could remember, and then both he and his dog developed non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, or NHL, a type of cancer targeting the lymphatic system, and he died in late 2015.

他直到虚弱得什么也做不了才停止使用。

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He didn't stop using it until he was too weak to do anything.

他认为农达没有任何危险。

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He didn't think there was any danger with Roundup.

你看,IARC关于草甘膦可能致癌的论文实际上指出,最强烈的证据是非霍奇金淋巴瘤。

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See, the IARC paper that came out saying glyphosate is a probable carcinogen actually pointed out that the strongest evidence was for non-Hodgkin's lymphoma.

而且,农达使用者被诊断出NHL的报告越来越频繁。

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And reports of Roundup users getting diagnosed with NHL were popping up more frequently.

这似乎不仅仅是巧合。

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This seemed like more than just a coincidence.

威斯纳认为他有理由提起诉讼,但孟山都这个企业巨头他无法独自对抗,所以他与其他律师以及一位报道孟山都数十年的调查记者合作。

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Wisner thought he had a case, but Monsanto was a corporate giant he couldn't tackle alone, so he teamed up with other lawyers, and also an investigative journalist who'd been reporting on Monsanto for decades.

所以有很多可写的东西。

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So there's a lot to write about.

我花了很多时间在孟山都总部。

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I spent a lot of time at Monsanto headquarters.

很明显,“这家公司真的不在乎它的客户。”

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It became pretty clear, "This company really doesn't care about its customers."

对,好的。

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Right, okay.

这个律师团队联合起来对孟山都提起诉讼,并迫使他们交出公司文件。

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Together, this group of lawyers started a lawsuit against Monsanto, and they forced them to hand over their company documents.

孟山都不得不遵守,于是律师们获得了他们的内部电子邮件、备忘录和安全研究报告。

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Monsanto had to comply, and so the lawyers got access to their internal emails, memos, and safety studies.

公开说一套,内部说一套完全不同的东西。

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Saying one thing publicly and saying something completely different internally.

这种两面派、欺骗行为简直令人瞠目结舌。

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The duplicity, the deception, is just jaw-dropping, really.

1983年,孟山都向EPA提交了一份草甘膦毒理学研究报告,以使其被归类为安全产品。

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In 1983, Monsanto submitted a glyphosate toxicology study to the EPA to get it classified as safe,

但数据显示,接受高剂量草甘膦的小鼠正在发展出罕见的肾脏肿瘤。

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but the data was showing that mice receiving higher doses of glyphosate were developing rare kidney tumors.

EPA显然对此感到担忧,他们想将草甘膦归类为可能的人类致癌物(human carcinogen)。

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The EPA was obviously worried with this, and they wanted to classify glyphosate as a possible human carcinogen.

所以他们要求孟山都进行更多研究。

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So they asked Monsanto to do more studies.

孟山都对此进行了反击。

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And Monsanto fought back against that.

“不,你只需要相信我们告诉你的。你读错了数据,”等等。

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"No, you just need to trust what we're telling you. You're reading the data wrong," et cetera et cetera.

孟山都拒绝遵守,并一直与EPA对抗,直到1989年,EPA突然改变了主意。

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Monsanto wouldn't comply, and they pushed back against the EPA until 1989, when the EPA suddenly changed its mind.

他们说:“目前不需要重复小鼠致癌性研究。”

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They said, "A repeat of the mouse oncogenicity will not be required at this time."

相反,在1991年,EPA将草甘膦归类为对人类无致癌性证据。

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And instead, in 1991, the EPA classified glyphosate as having evidence of non-carcinogenicity for humans.

小鼠的癌症担忧从未公开,而这一新的分类无疑有助于推动农达的销售,至少在更多独立研究出现之前是这样。

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The cancer concern in mice was never made public, and this new classification certainly helped push Roundup sales, at least until more independent research came in.

你看,关于农达最有影响力的研究论文之一实际上是在2000年发表的。

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See, one of the most influential research papers on Roundup actually came out in the year 2000.

它是《除草剂农达及其活性成分草甘膦对人类的安全性评估和风险评估》,通常以其作者命名为威廉姆斯、克罗伊斯和芒罗(Williams, Kroes, and Munro)。

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It was the Safety Evaluation and Risk Assessment of the Herbicide Roundup and its Active Ingredient Glyphosate for Humans, commonly just called Williams, Kroes, and Munro after its authors.

这是关于草甘膦安全性的里程碑式论文,结论是农达除草剂不会对人类健康构成风险。

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This was the landmark paper on glyphosate safety, which concluded that Roundup herbicide does not pose a health risk to humans.

这篇论文被引用了1200多次,这是一个很大的数字。

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This paper was cited over 1200 times, which is a lot.

当时监管机构认为这是草甘膦安全的奠基性研究论文,这是一篇独立论文。

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And it was considered then by regulators of the foundational research paper to say that glyphosate was safe, this independent paper.

然而,这篇论文根本不独立。

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Except the paper wasn't independent at all.

你看,孟山都毒理学小组的主任威廉·海登斯(William Heydens)在这篇论文中被列为提供科学支持的人。

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See, Monsanto's director of the toxicology group, William Heydens, was listed on the paper as someone who provided scientific support.

所以在2017年的证词中,威斯纳和他的同事律师决定向海登斯询问此事。

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So in a 2017 deposition, Wisner and his fellow lawyers decided to ask Heydens about it.

在你看来,你对威廉姆斯论文的贡献是否实质性?

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Were your contributions in your view to the Williams paper substantial?

不,不是。

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No, they were not.

正如我所说,它们是编辑性的,只是为了让它更容易阅读。

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As I said, they were editorial, just to make it easier to read.

但海登斯内部是如何提及他参与这篇论文的。

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But here's how Heydens referred to his involvement in the paper internally.

“在写这东西的时候,我长出了几根新的白发,”或者“如果克罗伊斯或威廉姆斯要求任何重写,我就掐死他们!!”

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"I have sprouted several new gray hairs during the writing of this thing," or "I'll strangle Kroes or Williams if they ask for any rewrites!!"

很久以后,“我们通过自己写作来降低成本,他们只需编辑并签名,可以说。回想一下我们是如何处理威廉姆斯、克罗伊斯和芒罗的。”

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And much later, "We would be keeping the cost down by us doing the writing and they would just edit and sign their names, so to speak. Recall that is how we handled Williams Kroes and Munro."

当它最终完成时,他们庆祝了。

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And they celebrated when it was finally done.

你在他们的内部文件中看到,他们谈论这将如何成为他们全球草甘膦的防御。

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You see in their internal documents, they talk about how this is going to be our defense, glyphosate around the world.

孟山都操纵的模式无处不在。

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The patterns of Monsanto's manipulation were just popping up everywhere.

他们试图改变草甘膦在不同机构的癌症分类。

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They tried to change glyphosate cancer classifications at different agencies.

他们似乎与腐败的EPA官员勾结,试图扼杀反对研究。

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They seemingly colluded with corrupt EPA officials to try and kill opposing research.

他们甚至代笔安全研究。

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And they ghost-wrote safety studies.

到2017年中,威斯纳将所有这些内部文件公之于众,现在被称为“孟山都文件”(The Monsanto Papers: 一系列内部文件,揭露了孟山都公司操纵科学研究和公共舆论的行为)。

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By mid 2017, Wisner released all of these internal documents to the public, now known as the Monsanto Papers.

人们非常愤怒。

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People were furious.

新发布的文件显示孟山都高管与腐败的EPA官员勾结。

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Newly released docs show Monsanto executives colluding with corrupted EPA officials.

他们会试图影响媒体和科学报告。

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Would try to influence media and science reports.

孟山都似乎被当场抓获了。

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Monsanto appears to have been caught red-handed.

我们有可以追溯到1980年代的纸质证据。

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We have a paper trail that goes back to the 1980s.

孟山都面临的风险极高。

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Stakes for Monsanto are extremely high.

很快,律师们接到了大量使用农达并被诊断出NHL的癌症患者的电话。

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Soon, lawyers were overwhelmed with calls from cancer patients who used Roundup and got diagnosed with NHL.

他们希望被纳入诉讼。

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They wished to be included in the lawsuit.

到年底,超过3000名受害者签署了案件。

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By the end of the year, more than 3000 victims had signed onto the case.

但孟山都试图做一切来瓦解这些致癌物主张。

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But Monsanto tried to do everything to dismantle these carcinogen claims.

你还记得那五篇抨击IARC将草甘膦称为可能致癌物的独立论文吗?

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You remember the five independent papers that came out bashing the IARC decision to call glyphosate a probable carcinogen?

嗯,那篇主要的评论文章是孟山都代笔的。

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Well, the main review article there was ghostwritten by Monsanto.

所以你可以看到这篇论文被孟山都的员工编辑和修改。

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So you could see this paper getting edited and changed by people who worked for Monsanto.

令人沮丧的是,期刊基本上在每一步都拒绝撤回。

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And it has been frustrating to see journals basically at every step of the way declining to retract.

那篇论文今天仍然在线,孟山都甚至用其“不放过任何事”('Let Nothing Go' Strategy)策略来诋毁任何反对他们观点的人。

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That paper is still online today, and Monsanto went all the way to discredit anyone who is opposing their view with something called their 'Let Nothing Go' Strategy.

“不放过任何事”策略本质上就是不放过任何事。

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Let Nothing Go is essentially like, let nothing go.

有人在网上发推文说农达致癌,你不能放过。

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Somebody tweets online, Roundup causes cancer, you don't let that go.

你会有一大群人回应。

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You have an onslaught of people responding to that.

他们有完整的培训操作,他们会请营养师、学者和其他人来培训他们说什么以及怎么说。

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They had whole training operations where they would bring in nutritionists and academics and other people to train them what to say and how to say it.

我不相信阿根廷的草甘膦会导致癌症增加。

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I do not believe that glyphosate in Argentina is causing increases in cancer.

你可以喝一整夸脱,它不会伤害你。

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You can drink a whole quart of it and it won't hurt you.

你想喝点吗?

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You want to drink some?

我们这里有一些。

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We have some here.

我很乐意。

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I'd be happy to actually.

但不是真的。

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But not really.

不是真的?

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Not really?

我知道它不会伤害我。

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I know it wouldn't hurt me.

我的意思是,如果你这么说,我有一些草甘膦。

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I mean, if you say so, I have some glyphosate.

不,不,我不傻。

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No, no, I'm not stupid.

但他们确实变成了一支孟山都可以在新闻文章发布时部署的军队。

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But they very much became an army that Monsanto could deploy when a news article came out, for instance.

我们会在这个视频下面看到一些实际上是孟山都写的评论吗?

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Are we going to get some comments under this video that are actually written by Monsanto?

我不会感到惊讶。

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I wouldn't be surprised.

但孟山都试图围绕草甘膦制造的所有混乱都不够。

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But all of the confusion Monsanto tried to create around glyphosate wasn't enough.

到2018年夏天,真相大白,超过11000名原告对孟山都提起了诉讼。

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By the summer of 2018, the truth was out and over 11,000 plaintiffs filed lawsuits against Monsanto.

这将摧毁他们。

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This was going to destroy them.

但不幸的是,孟山都制定了逃生计划。

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But unfortunately, Monsanto had an escape plan.

就在针对他们的第一起诉讼开始时,他们与德国化学巨头拜耳(Bayer: 一家德国跨国制药和生命科学公司)签署了收购协议。

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Just as the first lawsuit against them was starting, they signed an acquisition deal with German chemical giant, Bayer.

孟山都套现,高管们逍遥法外,而拜耳则成了接盘侠。

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Monsanto cashed in, the executives rode off into the sunset, and Bayer was left holding the bag.

拜耳的收购与法律后果:巨额赔偿与反思

为什么拜耳会收购孟山都?

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Why would Bayer buy Monsanto?

如果很明显有成千上万的原告在等待判决,为什么一家公司会做这样的事情?

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If it's so obvious that they have hundreds of thousands of plaintiffs waiting for a verdict, why would a company do something like that?

嗯,我认为这是投资者正在问或已经问过的大问题。

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Well, I think that's the big question that the investors are asking, or have asked.

你到底为什么要这么做?

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Why in God's name did you do this?

你为什么这么做?

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Why did you do this?

我想是《华尔街日报》有一个标题,叫做“史上最糟糕的收购”,或者类似的话。

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I think it was Wall Street Journal that had a headline, Worst Acquisition in History, or something like that.

拜耳股价在收购后立即暴跌,情况对他们来说只会变得更糟。

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Bayer stock tanked immediately after the acquisition, and things only got worse for them.

几个月后,针对孟山都-拜耳公司的第一起案件开庭审理。

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A few months later, the first case against the Monsanto-Bayer company went to trial.

原告是德维恩·李·约翰逊(Dewayne Lee Johnson),他在工作中不小心被农达淋湿后患上了非霍奇金淋巴瘤。

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The plaintiff was Dewayne Lee Johnson, who had developed non-Hodgkin lymphoma after accidentally getting doused with Roundup at work.

陪审团根据孟山都文件的证据,支持约翰逊,判给他2.89亿美元的赔偿金,拜耳不得不支付。

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The jury faced with evidence from the Monsanto Papers sided with Johnson, awarding him $289 million in damages, and Bayer had to pay up.

到2025年,拜耳不得不为孟山都农达造成的损害,解决超过十万起癌症诉讼,赔偿金额超过100亿美元。

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By 2025, Bayer had to settle more than a hundred thousand cancer lawsuits for the damages caused by Monsanto's Roundup, amounting to over $10 billion in settlements.

现在由德国拜耳公司拥有的孟山都否认有任何不当行为。

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Monsanto, which is now owned by Germany's Bayer, denies any wrongdoing.

他们不接受农达可能导致原告癌症的说法。

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And they don't accept that Roundup could have caused the plaintiffs' cancer.

那么,经过所有这些宣传和丑闻,农达到底有多危险?

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So after all this publicity and scandal, how dangerous is Roundup really?

我的问题一直是,如果它不致癌,不危险,对人类健康没有真正的风险,那么孟山都为什么要花费数百万美元来创建代笔研究,并雇佣公关公司在网上代笔文章?

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My question has always been, if it doesn't cause cancer and it's not dangerous and there's no real risk to human health, why in God's name would Monsanto have to spend millions and millions and millions of dollars to create ghostwritten studies, and hire PR companies to ghostwrite articles online?

如果你真的有一个安全的产品,为什么要进行如此多的欺骗呢?

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And why would you have to engage in so much deception if you truly had a safe product, right?

根据IARC的说法,草甘膦最大的担忧之一是基因毒性(Genotoxicity: 指化学物质对遗传物质(DNA)造成损害的能力)。

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Well, according to IARC, one of the biggest concerns with glyphosate is genotoxicity.

一些研究表明,如果你过度接触草甘膦,就像许多农民那样,那么这种化学物质可能会严重损害你细胞中的DNA,这是许多致癌物常见的致病机制。

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Some studies have shown that if you get overexposed to glyphosate, like many farmers would, then the chemical might substantially damage the DNA in your cells, which is a common mechanism of action for many carcinogens.

其他研究实际上指向了莽草酸途径。

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And other studies have actually pointed to the shikimate pathway.

再说一次,我们不使用它,但我们肠道中的细菌使用它。

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Again, we don't use it, but the bacteria in our gut do.

所以如果你摄入微量的草甘膦,例如通过食物,它可能会扰乱你的肠道微生物组(Gut microbiome: 存在于肠道内的微生物群落)。

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So if you ingest trace amounts of glyphosate, for example, through your food, it could disrupt your gut's microbiome.

如果你能扰乱肠道微生物群中的EPSP酶,即合成酶,它可能会产生各种影响。

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If you can disrupt the enzyme in the microflora in your gut, the EPSP enzyme, the synthase, it could have all sorts of effects.

IARC从未具体说明草甘膦在何种剂量下变得危险。

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Now, IARC never specified at what dose glyphosate actually becomes dangerous.

只是总体而言,草甘膦是可能的致癌物。

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Just that overall glyphosate is a probable carcinogen.

为了说明,同一分类类别中的其他事物包括吃红肉、高温油炸或上夜班。

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And to put it into context, the other things in the same classification category are eating red meat or high temperature frying or pulling a night shift.

但这些都低于第一类,即确定致癌物。

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But these are lower than the number one category, which is a certain carcinogen.

在这里,当然有酒精、烟草和阳光。

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And here of course you have alcohol and tobacco and sunlight.

为了给你提供我们之前关于永久化学品(Forever Chemicals)那一集的背景,PFOA是第一类,即确定致癌物,但PFOS实际上是2B类,低于草甘膦,仅为可能致癌物。

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And to give you context from our previous episode on Forever Chemicals, PFOA was a category one, so a certain carcinogen, but PFOS is actually a category 2B, which is lower than glyphosate at only a possible carcinogen.

从我看到的数据来看,草甘膦似乎不是一种特别强效的致癌物,但高暴露于草甘膦肯定与某些类型癌症的发生率适度增加有关。

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From the data I've seen, glyphosate doesn't seem to be a particularly potent carcinogen, but high exposure to glyphosate is certainly associated with a modest increase in your ability to get certain types of cancers.

高暴露人群显然风险更高。

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And people who have higher exposures are clearly at higher risk.

是的。

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Yeah.

然而,EPA和许多其他组织,如欧洲食品安全局,仍然不同意IARC的观点,并声称草甘膦不是可能的致癌物。

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However, the EPA and many other organizations like the European Food Safety Authority still disagree with the IARC and claim that glyphosate isn't a likely carcinogen.

但美国法院一再告诉EPA,他们没有进行适当的分析,没有对草甘膦进行适当的评估,他们没有遵守自己的规则。

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But the courts in the United States have repeatedly told the EPA that they're not doing a proper analysis, they're not doing a proper assessment of glyphosate, they're not following their own rules.

你说过大约50%关于草甘膦安全性、研究和毒性的论文可能是行业资助的。

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You said something like 50% of the papers that were about glyphosate safety and research and toxicity were probably industry funded.

是的,这只是我凭空猜测。

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Yeah, that's just a guess off the top of my head.

老实说,可能远高于50%。

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Honestly, it could be much higher than 50%.

我当然不认为会低于这个数字。

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I certainly do not think it's lower than that.

这些公司总是渴望控制科学。

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There's just always a desire by these companies to control the science.

今天,拜耳仍然否认草甘膦是致癌物。

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Today, Bayer still denies that glyphosate is a carcinogen.

他们仍然会告诉你,他们不认为它有任何问题。

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They would still tell you, they don't think there's anything wrong with it.

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Yeah.

当我的书出版时,拜耳联系了我,他们给我发了一封电子邮件。

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When my book came out, Bayer reached out to me, they sent me an email.

这真的很奇怪。

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And it was really kind of quite strange.

就像,“恭喜。我们读了你的书,学到了很多。”我认为拜耳的感觉不同。

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It was like, "Congratulations. We've read your book and we've learned a lot." I think Bayer feels different.

拜耳实际上已经将草甘膦从商业产品中移除。

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And Bayer actually removed glyphosate from commercial products.

所以这瓶农达里甚至不再含有草甘膦了。

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So this bottle of Roundup here doesn't even have glyphosate in it anymore.

部分原因必然是公众的反弹和诉讼,但另一个原因是它不再那么有效了。

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Part of the reason for that must be the public backlash and the lawsuits, but the other reason is that it doesn't work that well anymore.

我们过度使用了草甘膦。

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We overused glyphosate.

你看,自1970年代以来,已有60多种杂草对草甘膦产生了抗性,就像工厂附近发现的第一个沙门氏菌样本一样。

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See, since the 1970s, more than 60 species of weed have become resistant to glyphosate, just like that first salmonella sample found near the factory.

如果不是草甘膦,他们会在那些农达喷雾中放什么?

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What do they put in those Roundup sprays, if not glyphosate?

嗯,主要是全圈(full circle),所以是2,4-D。

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Well, mostly full circle, so it's 2,4-D.

这不是很疯狂吗?

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Isn't that crazy?

嗯,你知道,许多人可能一生都不会受到草甘膦的丝毫影响。

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Well, you know, many people will probably go through life not being affected in the slightest by glyphosate.

但其他人可能会患上癌症或其他疾病,这就是为什么保护最敏感的个体非常重要。

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But others may develop cancer or other disease, and that's why it's really important to protect the most sensitive individuals.

我认为这里问题的另一个部分是像孟山都这样的大公司如何渗透学术界。

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I think another part of the problem here is how a company as big as Monsanto can just infiltrate academia.

他们拥有巨大的资源,所以他们可以随意推动科学家并操纵结果。

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They have these big resources so they can just push around scientists and manipulate results.

他们制造了如此多的混乱,然后他们只是逃避惩罚。

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They create so much confusion, and then they just avoid the punishment.

当你在被监管者和监管者之间不建立防火墙时,你就制造了对科学的不信任。

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When you don't create firewalls between the regulated and the regulators, you have created distrust in science.

科学本质上总是政治性的。

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Inherently, science is always going to be political.

它永远不会脱离世界的现实,它总是社会建构的。

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It's never going to be disconnected from the realities of the world, it's always socially constructed.

但我们可以做很多事情来制定规则和法规,以确保两者之间有更好的独立性和脱离感。

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But we can do a lot of things to put rules and regulations in place to try and make sure that there's a better sense of independence and disconnection between this.

我想推荐两本书,凯里·吉拉姆(Carey Gillam)的《孟山都文件》(The Monsanto Papers)和巴特·埃尔莫尔(Bart Elmore)的《种子钱》(Seed Money)。

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I want to shout out two books, Carey Gillam's 'The Monsanto Papers' and Bart Elmore's 'Seed Money'.

它们在研究这个主题时都非常有价值。

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They were both incredibly valuable in researching this topic.

我还想感谢我们上一个关于PFAS视频评论区中建议我们报道孟山都的人。

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And I also want to shout out people in the comments of our previous video on PFAS suggesting that we should cover Monsanto.

感谢您提出这个想法。

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Thank you for suggesting that idea.

一如既往,感谢您的观看。

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And thank you as always for watching.

📌 文中提及的人物和组织

公司/组织: EPA, WHO, Bayer, Incogni

媒体/书籍: Nature, The Monsanto Papers, Seed Money

关键字: corporate gmo-seed public-health-impact safety scientific