无障碍设计的通用价值
Kyra Blackwell: 我是 Kyra Blackwell。
英文原文
Kyra Blackwell: I'm Kyra Blackwell.
Rosie Guerin: 我是 Rosie Guerin,你正在收听的是《The Wirecutter Show》。
英文原文
Rosie Guerin: I'm Rosie Guerin. And you're listening to The Wirecutter Show.
Rosie Guerin: Kyra,来个随堂小测验。
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Rosie Guerin: Kyra, quick pop quiz.
Kyra Blackwell: 别啊,我可没复习。
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Kyra Blackwell: No, I didn't study.
Rosie Guerin: 对啊,所以才叫突击测验嘛。有声书、弯管吸管和无线吸尘器,它们三者有什么共同点?
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Rosie Guerin: Yeah, that's why it's pop, dude. What do audiobooks, bendy straws, and cordless vacuums all have in common?
Kyra Blackwell: 快说。
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Kyra Blackwell: Quick.
Kyra Blackwell: 呃,我偶尔都会用到它们。
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Kyra Blackwell: Uh, I use them all occasionally.
Rosie Guerin: 这倒没错。但我想说的答案是:它们最初全都是专为残障人士设计的。
英文原文
Rosie Guerin: That might be true. But what I was going for is that they were all originally designed for people with disabilities.
Kyra Blackwell: 那真的很酷。
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Kyra Blackwell: That's really cool.
Rosie Guerin: 确实非常棒。这些工具因为效果太好,现在已经变成了大众通用的日常工具,非常非常多的人每天都在使用。但有一类产品至今还没有达到这种通用普及状态,那就是化妆品。
英文原文
Rosie Guerin: It is really cool. These are tools that worked so well, they've now become mainstream universal tools. Many, many, many people use. But there's one kind of product that still hasn't reached that status, and it's makeup.
Kyra Blackwell: 是啊,确实很合理。我觉得在美妆行业里,易用性和无障碍性从来都不是最优先考虑的事情。我的意思是,我几乎每天都化妆,但我依然觉得这些工具用起来挺费劲的。不过,我们美妆团队的资深作者 Ayanna Redwood-Crawford 最近写了一篇文章,专门讲述了各大美妆品牌如今是如何推出越来越多无障碍化妆品和自适应工具的。
英文原文
Kyra Blackwell: Yeah, that makes sense. I feel like ease and accessibility has just never been a top priority in the beauty industry. I mean, I wear makeup pretty much every day, and I find it hard to use these tools still. But one of our staff writers on the beauty team, Ayanna Redwood Crawford, recently wrote an article about how beauty brands are now launching more and more accessible makeup and adaptive tools.
Rosie Guerin: 这是一篇非常非常有趣的文章。你可能还记得 Ayanna 之前参加过我们关于免晒美黑产品(self-tanners)的那期节目。
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Rosie Guerin: It's a really, really interesting piece. You might remember Ayanna from our previous episode which was all about self-tanners.
Kyra Blackwell: 非常有启发性。
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Kyra Blackwell: Enlightening.
Rosie Guerin: 确实让人大开眼界。今天我们再次邀请她回来,聊聊她是怎样测试这些自适应工具的,以及她对这些产品的真实看法。Ayanna,欢迎回到节目!
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Rosie Guerin: Enlightening. Now we've got her back to talk about how she tested these tools and what she thought of them. Ayanna, welcome back.
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 嗨,非常感谢再次邀请我。
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Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: Hi. Thanks for having me back.
评测的缘起与测试团队
Rosie Guerin: 很高兴见到你。跟我们讲讲这篇文章最初是怎么构思出来的吧。
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Rosie Guerin: Good to see you. Tell us how this piece first came to be.
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 事情是这样的,我之前在睡眠产品团队工作时,就跟我们的有偿测试员团队结下了深厚的友谊。
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: So, I got to know our paid testers really well from when I worked on the sleep team.
Kyra Blackwell: 你能多跟我们介绍一下这群有偿测试员吗?他们到底是谁?
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Kyra Blackwell: Can you tell us a little bit more about the paid testers? Who? Yeah. Who are our paid testers?
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 好的。我们的有偿测试员是一个多元化的群体,涵盖了不同身体机能状况、不同性别和不同年龄段的人。他们来到实验室,几乎帮我们测试所有类型的产品。在睡眠团队时,我报道过的几乎每一件产品他们都参与了实测,所以我们彼此非常熟悉。后来当我转到美妆团队时,他们就非常坦诚、毫无保留地告诉我他们在日常使用美妆产品时遇到的各种痛点。加上我自己对无障碍设计的好奇心,我一直希望自己报道的话题能够体现通用设计理念,让产品真正适合所有人使用。这篇文章就是这样诞生的。
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: Okay. So, our paid testers are a diverse group of people with different abilities, different genders, ages, and they come in and they test pretty much everything for us. On the sleep team, they tested everything that just about everything I've covered. And so, we got to know each other pretty well. And then when I moved over to the beauty team, they were very comfortable with telling me exactly what their pain points were with beauty products. And that mixed with my own curiosity about accessibility and making sure that the topics that I cover are universally designed and they work well for everyone. That's how this piece came to be.
Rosie Guerin: 当你在这里提到美妆行业中的“无障碍”时,具体是指什么?你在寻找这些品牌时,重点关注它们针对哪些身体挑战进行了专门设计?
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Rosie Guerin: And when you say accessible here in terms of like things in the makeup industry, what does that mean exactly? What kinds of challenges were you looking for these brands to be designing for?
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 我重点寻找的是那些能为手部行动不便(例如患有关节炎或手部震颤)以及低视力人群提供良好体验的品牌和产品。
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: I was specifically looking for brands that made products that would work well for people with hand mobility issues like arthritis or tremors and also people with low vision.
Kyra Blackwell: 我觉得手和眼睛确实是化妆时最依赖的身体部位,另外还有任何伴有关节疼痛的人群。能找到那些专门打造自适应、通用设计且品质出色的品牌,真的很酷。
英文原文
Kyra Blackwell: Um I think your hands and your eyes are the things you need the most um when you're putting on makeup and also for people with joint pain of any kind. Um, it was really cool to find brands that solely created, adaptable, universally designed products that are actually good.
Rosie Guerin: 那你在挑选测试产品时有什么具体方向吗?或者说,你有针对性地寻找某类特定单品吗?因为市面上有成千上万种美妆产品和工具,睫毛膏、眼线笔等等应有尽有。你是否期望为测试员们解决特定的使用痛点?
英文原文
Rosie Guerin: And what kind of products were you looking for? Or were you even looking for any specific products? Because there are a billion makeup things and tools, you know, for mascara, eyeliner, anything. So, were you kind of hoping to solve specific pain points for your testers?
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 首先,我想寻找的是能让所有人的化妆过程都变得更轻松的产品。所以我考虑了患有关节疼痛的人、患有关节炎的人,以及有手部震颤的人。同时,我也考虑到了暂时性身体障碍的人群,比如“我不小心摔断了惯用手的手臂”;还有那些经常腾不开手的人,比如忙碌的父母。
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: First, I was looking for products that could make things easier for everyone. So, I was thinking about people who had joint pain. I was thinking about people with arthritis. I was thinking about folks who have tremors. I was also thinking about people who have temporary disabilities like, "Oh, I just broke my arm and it's it's my dominant arm." And I was also thinking about someone who usually has their hands full like a parent.
Kyra Blackwell: 考虑得真周到。
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Kyra Blackwell: Oh, that's good.
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 所以我就想:到底有哪些产品可以支持单手操作?有哪些适合时间紧迫的人?或者对于化妆新手来说,有哪些属于防呆、不易出错的产品?
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Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: Um, so I was like, okay, what are the what are the products that someone can use possibly one-handed or if they don't have a lot of time or even if they're a beginner and they need something that is kind of foolproof.
Kyra Blackwell: 天哪,要是我十几岁刚学化妆时能有这些该多好!
英文原文
Kyra Blackwell: God, teenage me would have loved that.
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 哈哈,没错,绝对是这样!
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Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: Yeah. [laughter] Yeah.
通用设计与美妆行业现状
Kyra Blackwell: 我很想知道,在这次深度测试过程中,最让你感到惊讶的是什么?
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Kyra Blackwell: I want to know what surprised you most during this testing.
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 最让我惊讶的是:通用设计本质上就是无障碍设计,二者是一脉相通的。每当我在写评测文章时,我总是先去设想谁最迫切需要这个产品,并以此为出发点展开探索。所以在思考无障碍美妆工具时,我就想:谁最需要它们?显然是那些非常渴望保持日常美妆仪式感,但化妆对他们来说却伴随着生理疼痛、极度不适或繁琐阻碍的人群。
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: What surprised me was that universal design is accessible design. Like it's all the same. And whenever I'm writing about something, I always think about the person who needs it the most and then I start from there. So when thinking about accessible beauty tools, I was like, okay, who needs this the most? And it's obviously people who want to maintain these beauty rituals, but it's just a literal pain for them or it's just really uncomfortable or hassle. [snorts]
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 然后我就意识到,我所发现的这些好物,其实同样能极大地便利像我这样没有残障的人的生活。这真的是太不可思议了!而且除了握持更轻松、抓握更稳固、上妆更顺手之外,它们的料体配方本身也极其出色,上脸效果漂亮而且持妆度非常好。
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: So I was like, okay, I think that these things that I'm finding are also things that make my life easier and I'm not disabled, right? So I was like, oh well, this is absolutely amazing. And on top of things being easier to hold, easier to grip, and easier to apply, they're also really good formulations that look pretty and wear well.
Rosie Guerin: 确实如此。在你的深入采访调研中,你是否感觉到各大化妆品公司正在真正重视无障碍环境,或者在产品设计中融入这种思维?
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Rosie Guerin: Yeah. I'm curious through your reporting, did you get a sense that companies are thinking about accessibility or thinking about design?
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 我觉得越来越多的品牌开始意识到服务所有人群的商业与社会价值。看到有些新兴品牌完全专注于打造自适应化妆品和辅助工具,这令人非常振奋。同时,像 Rare Beauty 这样的大众知名品牌,也在其常规产品线中融入了无障碍设计理念,或专门推出了便于开启和使用的友好包装。
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: I think that more brands are starting to understand the value and being accessible to everyone. And I also thought that it was very cool to see brands that solely make adaptive makeup and cosmetics and tools. That was very cool to see. There are also brands like Rare Beauty that have accessible line or products that are accessible within them.
Kyra Blackwell: 真的很棒。
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Kyra Blackwell: That's pretty cool.
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 是的,他们非常贴心地指导我哪些单品最值得测试,哪些可能并不适合特定无障碍场景。
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: Yeah, they were very good about letting me know which ones I should be testing and which ones wouldn't make sense.
Rosie Guerin: 所以说,行业取得了一定进展,但依然有很大的提升空间。
英文原文
Rosie Guerin: So, some progress and then also some space for improvement.
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 没错。我认为更多品牌需要认识到:完全可以在不牺牲产品颜值或大幅推高售价的前提下,做出更具无障碍性的包装和化妆品。
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: Yeah. And I think that what more brands need to realize is that they can make more accessible packaging and cosmetics without sacrificing their aesthetic or even price.
Rosie Guerin: 这绝对是一个多方共赢的净收益,因为正如你所说,无障碍性就是通用便利性。
英文原文
Rosie Guerin: And it could be a net positive because like you said, accessibility is universal.
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 是的。
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Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: Yeah.
Rosie Guerin: 我们先稍作休息。广告之后,我们将继续连线 Ayanna,深入聊聊那些她爱不释手的无障碍美妆工具以及推荐理由。马上回来!
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Rosie Guerin: We're going to take a quick break and then when we're back, we're going to talk with Ayana about some of the accessible tools she loves and why. [music] Be right back.
握持辅助与自适应刷具
Rosie Guerin: 欢迎回来!在本期节目中,我们正在与同事 Ayanna Redwood-Crawford 一起探讨无障碍化妆品。Ayanna,你的推荐清单中有很大一部分产品旨在解决抓握与控制美妆工具的基本难题。你能跟我们分享几款在这方面表现尤为突出的产品以及原因吗?
英文原文
Rosie Guerin: Welcome back. In this episode, we are talking about accessible makeup with our colleague Ayanna Redwood Crawford. Ayanna, a lot of your picks are designed to solve the basic problem of gripping and controlling makeup tools. So, can you talk about some of the products you think did particularly well for that and why?
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 天哪,我很乐意分享!首先要提的是 LiveFine 握把发泡管(LiveFine grip tubing),这是一种泡沫套管,我们的测试员们非常喜欢它。
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: Oh my god, I would love to. So, first is the LiveFine grip tubing, which is a foam tubing that our testers loved.
Kyra Blackwell: 泡沫管?
英文原文
Kyra Blackwell: A foam tubing.
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 没错。它是一个中间带有小孔的圆柱形发泡海绵管。内孔有不同的直径规格,所以你可以把各种粗细的物品套进去。
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: Yes. So, it's a cylindrical tube that has a little hole in it. And the holes come in different diameters, so you can stick different things inside of them, and it makes it easier to grip onto something that's like hard and cold and long, like a mascara tube or an eyeliner pen.
Kyra Blackwell: 哇,所以它是一个可以直接套在你现有化妆品外面的加装配件!
英文原文
Kyra Blackwell: Oh, [gasps] so it's an accessory that you put on top of your like makeup.
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 没错!假设你并不想专门去买特定的无障碍美妆单品,因为你手里已经有了自己挚爱的眼线笔、口红或睫毛膏,只是平时握持它们太费力了,这个套管就能立刻解决你的握持困难。
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: So, let's say you didn't want to use an accessible beauty product, right? Cuz you already have an eyeliner or a lipstick or a mascara that you love. It's just hard for you to hold it. This will make it easier for you to do that.
Kyra Blackwell: 太赞了。
英文原文
Kyra Blackwell: Cool.
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 嗯哼。我们的测试员之所以喜欢这种泡沫管,是因为它赋予了使用者充分的活动自由度。你可以以任何舒适的角度使用腮红刷,并且可以随心所欲地施加力度。
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: Mhm. So, what our testers liked about the foam tubing was that it allowed for them to have freedom of movement. So they could use a blush brush at any angle that they wanted and they can apply as much pressure as they usually would.
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 而且它们的价格非常亲民。你可以直接买多支装,如果你愿意的话,完全可以给你拥有的每一支化妆工具都套上专属的发泡管。
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: And then they're also really inexpensive. So you can buy multiple packs of these and have foam tubing for literally everything you own if you wanted to.
Kyra Blackwell: 太不可思议了。
英文原文
Kyra Blackwell: That's amazing.
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 你还可以根据需要自己把它剪成合适的长度。
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: And you can cut them to the size you need them to be.
Kyra Blackwell: 这样你就不需要倒腾来倒腾去地把它从一支口红换到另一支睫毛膏上,直接套在上面常驻就行了。
英文原文
Kyra Blackwell: So you don't have to keep transferring them to like a different makeup whatever. You can just if you don't want to keep them on and they live there now.
Kyra Blackwell: 这设计太酷了!
英文原文
Kyra Blackwell: That's so cool. Yeah.
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 好的,另一款我非常喜爱的产品是 Kohl Creatives 环形中号化妆刷(Kohl Creatives medium circle brush)。它彻底颠覆了我对常规化妆刷的认知。Kohl Creatives 是一个专门做无障碍美妆的品牌,旗下的所有产品都以无障碍为核心导向。
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: Okay. So, another product that I loved was the Kohl Creatives medium circle brush, which really changed the way that I thought about makeup brushes in general. Kohl Creatives is an accessible beauty line. So, everything they make is for accessibility purposes.
Rosie Guerin: 哇,那真了不起。
英文原文
Rosie Guerin: Wow, that's really cool.
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 通常我们像握铅笔一样用手指捏着刷杆,这对于手部关节活动受限的人来说会非常吃力和疼痛;而使用这款刷子,你只需要像握拳一样整把抓在手里,垂直进行涂抹操作。
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: So, instead of holding a brush like you would a pencil by pinching it, which can be really uncomfortable for people with hand mobility issues, you can instead just hold the brush in your fist and use it vertically.
Kyra Blackwell: 哇!就像手里握着一个冰淇淋甜筒那样。
英文原文
Kyra Blackwell: Wow. Wow. Like like you're holding an ice cream cone or something.
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 完全正确!另外一款在抓握设计上极为出色的产品是 Guide Beauty 的眼影晕染修容刷(Guide Beauty blend and crease brush),它是专门针对眼影上妆设计的。
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: Exactly. And then the next one that was really great for gripping was the Guide Beauty blend and crease brush. This one is specifically for eyeshadow.
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: Guide Beauty 同样是类似于 Kohl Creatives 的自适应美妆品牌。这把刷子非常巧妙,它上面设计有一个导向指环(guide ring),你可以把它夹在任意两根最舒服的手指之间。这样能帮助你在涂抹眼影时更加省力、舒适,并获得极强的操控感。
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: So Guide is another adaptive cosmetics line much like Kohl Creatives. And this brush is really cool because it has this guide ring that you can slip between two fingers, whichever ones are most comfortable for you, allowing you to apply your eye shadow more comfortably and with a bit more control.
Kyra Blackwell: 我觉得我也太需要这个了!
英文原文
Kyra Blackwell: I think I need this.
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 在我调研的过程中,我甚至看到很多人在用民间的 DIY 偏方——比如把一把勺子抵在眼皮上,用来画出完美的截断式眼妆(cut crease)或者借此辅助刷眼影。我当时就想,如果有专门的工具,肯定能帮大家在化妆时更稳、更自如。
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: I mean, in my research, I saw that people were doing like a DIY hack, which is putting a spoon up to their eye so that they can have the perfect like cut crease or like apply eyeshadow that way. And I was like, "Oh, okay. Well, maybe this might help them have more control over what they're doing."
Kyra Blackwell: 确实。在测试中,你觉得大家使用起来很直观吗?还是说需要经历一定的学习门槛?
英文原文
Kyra Blackwell: Yeah. In testing, did you find that it was pretty intuitive for people to use, or was there a little bit of a learning curve for that one?
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 刚开始确实有一点点上手门槛,但只要我提示一句“直接把它卡在手指缝之间就行”,大家的反应立刻就是:“天哪!原来这么简单,直接这样刷就行,太好用了!”
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: There was a tiny bit of a learning curve, but once I was just like, "Oh, you just slip between your fingers." Everyone was like, "Oh, oh my god. Yeah, of course. You can just do it like this. Oh, this is great."
精准度与减负工具:睫毛膏、眼线印章与多用棒
Rosie Guerin: 真的很棒。我在你的指南中注意到的另一个主题是:降低化妆对极致精准度的苛刻要求。比如对我个人来说,画眼线就极其艰难,因为你必须保持线条极其锐利精准,稍有晃动就全毁了。你发现了哪些工具能让人即使没有外科医生那样极其稳定的双手,也能轻松画出精致妆容?
英文原文
Rosie Guerin: Yeah, that's so cool. Another theme that I noticed in your guide is products that take some of the precision out of makeup application. So like for me personally, I have a really hard time with eyeliner because you have to be so sharp and precise about it without messing up. So what did you find that makes it easier to get a polished look without having to be perfect like with a perfectly steady like surgeon's hands? [laughter]
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 哈哈!首先必须提的就是 Tilt 睫毛膏(Tilt mascara)。这实际上是我目前最喜欢的睫毛膏,我名副其实地每天都在用它。
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: Okay. Well, the Tilt mascara for one. This is actually my favorite mascara. I legit use it every day.
Kyra Blackwell: 你的睫毛看起来确实非常完美。
英文原文
Kyra Blackwell: And your eyelashes look amazing.
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 太感谢了!
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: Thank you so much.
Rosie Guerin: 你为什么会这么喜欢它呢?
英文原文
Rosie Guerin: What do you like so much about it?
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 不仅是因为它的料体配方极其优秀,测试员们也非常喜欢它的握持与涂抹手感。不同于其他一些睫毛膏,它的刷杆完全不会软趴趴地弯折;而且刷杆整体更短,刷头顶端带有向上的微翘弧度。这个巧妙的弧度让你能够非常轻松地刷到内眼角细小的睫毛,完全不会蹭到眼皮上,体验好极了。
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: Well, not only is the formula amazing, testers loved how good it feels to hold and apply. So, unlike some other mascaras, the wand isn't bendy at all. It's also shorter and it curves upward at the tip. So that makes it really easy to get those inner corner lashes without getting mascara on your lids at all. It's great.
Kyra Blackwell: 真的很棒!这样你在由下往上刷的时候,就不需要做太大幅度的手腕翻转。
英文原文
Kyra Blackwell: That's really cool. So you don't have to necessarily use as much hand movement when you're going sort of down to up.
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 没错。使用直杆睫毛膏时,刷内眼角必须格外小心翼翼,否则很容易把膏体直接戳在鼻梁上。
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: Yeah. Like with a straight mascara wand, you really have to be careful when you're going to your inner corner of your lashes because you can get that wand on like the bridge of your nose.
Rosie Guerin: 我每天都会戳到鼻梁上,哈哈!
英文原文
Rosie Guerin: Do it every day. [laughter]
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 完全就是这样!
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: Exactly.
Kyra Blackwell: 我自己的手平时就轻微有些发抖,每次试图去刷你刚才提到的内眼角细节部位时,往往是最艰难、最容易翻车的时候。
英文原文
Kyra Blackwell: Yeah, I have a a little bit of a hand tremor and I think when I'm trying to get right in that spot you're talking about, that's when I have the most trouble.
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 是吧!而且靠近眼球时人会不由自主地紧张,生怕一不小心戳瞎自己的眼睛。
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: Yeah. See? Yeah, I get that because it's also you get a little nervous when you're right in there. You're like, I don't want to poke myself in the eye. [laughter]
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 另外,SHEGLAM 眼线印章笔(SHEGLAM eyeliner)也是一款神器。这款产品甚至改变了我的生活。
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: The SHEGLAM eyeliner is also a good one. This product actually changed my life.
Kyra Blackwell: 它是什么样的?
英文原文
Kyra Blackwell: What is it?
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 坦白讲,在测试之前我都不知道世界上居然有眼线印章这种东西!它本质上就是一个专门盖眼尾拉花翼形(wing)的印章。
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: I'll say it. Uh, first of all, I didn't know eyeliner stamps even existed. That's what it is. It's an eyeliner stamp.
Rosie Guerin: 这具体是怎么用的?
英文原文
Rosie Guerin: What What does that mean?
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 更准确地说,它是一个翼形眼尾印章。你只需要把印章在眼角处轻轻一盖,完美的眼尾拉花就立刻成型了,根本不用你自己一笔笔勾勒。我是一个多年来习惯用液体眼线液、并且非画上扬眼尾不可的人,我每天都在“拼命”试图让两边的眼尾弧度对称。而有了这个眼线印章,你再也不用苦苦挣扎了,盖上去一次就能成型,你唯一需要注意的就是找准两边的水平位置。
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: So, let me be more specific. It's not an eyeliner stamp. It's a wing stamp. So, basically, you just put the stamp on the corner of your eye and it the wing is there. You don't have to draw it on. I am a person who has been using liquid eyeliner forever and I prefer a wing. And I fight for my life every day [laughter] trying to make sure they match. And this eyeliner stamp is just like you don't have to struggle like you just stamp it on and you're good on the first go. You just have to make sure that the placement is correct for both.
Rosie Guerin: 确实。
英文原文
Rosie Guerin: Exactly.
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 我们之所以特别喜欢 SHEGLAM,是因为它把所有功能集成在了一支笔上。笔身两头分别是针对左眼和右眼的翼形印章;把中间拔开后,里面还隐藏着一支粗头眼线马克笔。它不像我们平时用的细尖眼线笔那样难以掌控,这种马克笔刷头让填充内眼线变得容易得多。
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: But we like the SHEGLAM because you can do everything with one pen. So basically you have two sides of the pen, one for your left eye, one for your right, and then you can detach it in the middle and there is an eyeliner marker. It is not like a little thin pen that we're used to using. The marker makes it so much easier to line your eye.
Kyra Blackwell: 哇!
英文原文
Kyra Blackwell: Wow.
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 是的,非常好用。
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: Yeah, it's great.
Kyra Blackwell: 这绝对是能够改变生活的好东西。
英文原文
Kyra Blackwell: This is life-changing stuff.
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 没错,省下了海量的时间,而且对于初学者来说也非常友好。
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: I know. And it saves so much time. And I think this would also be really great for beginners.
Kyra Blackwell: 是啊,青少年时期的我一定会为之疯狂的!唇部产品方面呢?你有测到什么值得推荐的好物吗?
英文原文
Kyra Blackwell: Yeah. Again, teenage me would have loved that. Mhm. What about lip products? Was was there anything that you tested there that you liked?
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 我们非常喜欢 Tilt 透亮护唇膏(Tilt sheer lip treatment)。通常来说,普通滋润口红未必足够保湿,而有色润唇膏虽然滋润度高,但显色度往往不够。
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: We loved the Tilt sheer lip treatment. So, first of all, a sheer lipstick, which doesn't necessarily offer hydration, or a tinted lip balm, which definitely offers hydration, but doesn't have to offer you any color.
Rosie Guerin: 对于想要在外出时快速提气色、又不想专门照镜子或具备高超涂抹技巧的人来说,这两类产品一直都是首选。
英文原文
Rosie Guerin: Um those are always going to be the best go-tos for a person who wants to add a pretty pop of color on the go without having to look in the mirror or be especially proficient in applying it.
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: Tilt 透亮护唇膏完美融合了两者的优势。它介于口红与润唇膏之间,既能提供充足的保湿滋润,又具备恰到好处的显色度,让你感觉“我确实化了妆,但我完全不用担心一整天都要小心翼翼地伺候它”。
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: So the Tilt Sheer Lip Treatment has a bit of a mixture of both. It's not quite a lipstick. It is a balm that offers hydration, but it does add enough color that you're like, "Oh, yeah. I've put something on, but I I don't have to be like uh beholden to it all day if I don't want to be."
Kyra Blackwell: 我记得你之前让我试用过这款!我就是那种不敢涂浓艳口红的人,因为我讨厌反复补妆,而且经常弄得满嘴都是。
英文原文
Kyra Blackwell: Yeah. I think you've actually let me try this one because I'm one of those people [laughter] who can't do a lipstick cuz I don't want to reapply and I get it everywhere. Yeah.
Rosie Guerin: 它能让你整个人显得容光焕发、更有生气,同时你完全不用担心它会晕染溢出、搞得狼狈不堪。
英文原文
Rosie Guerin: And it just gives you like it just makes you look a little more alive, for lack of a better word, and you don't have to worry about it like smearing everywhere and looking goofy.
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 完全正确,它根本不需要你涂得严丝合缝、分毫不差。
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: Exactly. It doesn't have to be perfect.
Rosie Guerin: Ayanna,无障碍当然不仅限于寻找某一件特定的工具,它也可以是对整个化妆步骤的精简与整合。针对那些希望在日常流程中减少产品数量、省去繁琐复杂步骤的人群,你发现了哪些优秀方案?
英文原文
Rosie Guerin: Ayanna, accessibility isn't of course always about finding the specific tool itself. It can also be about simplifying an entire routine. So, what did you find that worked well for people who just wanted to use fewer products overall in their routine or eliminate some of the more complicated steps?
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 没错,当前美妆界正在掀起一股**“棒状化”(stickification)**的潮流,万物皆可做成膏状棒。
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: Yeah, absolutely. So, we are in we are in the stickification of everything [laughter] in cosmetics.
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 我们评测中发现了一款非常出色的多用棒——e.l.f. 单色多功能彩妆棒(e.l.f. Monochromatic Multi Stick)。它设计得粗短便于抓握,提供了多种可选色号。你可以把同一支棒直接当作眼影、腮红和口红来使用。你可以随手把它扔在包里或放在梳妆台上,一物三用搞定全脸。而且它的质地清透、易于层叠晕染,哪怕失手涂多了也不会变成可怕的深橙色,你可以根据自己的舒适度自由叠加浓淡,非常实用。
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: And so, we were able to find a really great multistick in the e.l.f. Monochromatic Multi Stick. So, it is a stick that you can get in different colors. It's short and it's thick and you can use it on your eyes as an eye shadow. You can use it as a blush and as a lipstick. So you can like throw it in your bag or have it on your vanity and do three things at once. And it's sheer, so it's buildable, so you don't have to put it on and be like, "Well, I'm stuck with this this like really really deep orange or something." You can you can just build it to where you feel comfortable. It's great.
视觉辅助、遗憾与价格分析
Rosie Guerin: 在你的评测过程中,有没有哪类产品是你非常渴望找到理想的无障碍替代品,但最终却遗憾落空的?
英文原文
Rosie Guerin: And was there a product or a specific category products that you were really hoping to find an accessible tool for, but you ended up not being able to?
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 有的,我其实特别想找到一款针对认知障碍人群非常友好的化妆品收纳盒。与我交流的作业治疗师(occupational therapist)告诉我,如果能把工具以极目了然、无需过多费脑思考就能随手取放的方式组织起来,那是对认知障碍者最理想的状态。坦白讲,我自己也非常需要这样的收纳系统,因为我现在的化妆品全都乱七八糟地堆在一个收纳袋里到处翻找。
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: Well, there was a makeup organizer that I really wanted to find um that could be helpful for people with certain cognitive disabilities. The occupational therapist I spoke with, they told me that if you have your tools organized in a way where you can easily see them and pick them up without having to think too much about it, that's probably the best case scenario. And frankly, I want that for myself, too.
Kyra Blackwell: 我也是,天天在袋子里扒拉!
英文原文
Kyra Blackwell: Me, too. I just dig through a pouch.
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 另外,我还在调研中看到过一款很棒的震动电动化妆刷。它作为自适应工具,可以通过电动震动自动平滑晕开底妆,无需使用者手腕费力打圈摩擦,这对手部震颤或关节疼痛者极其友好。我们测试的那款 Flexi 震动刷表现确实不错,但售价非常昂贵。我真心希望市面上能出现更多同样出色但更平价的竞品。
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: I also really wanted to find a great vibrating brush that I had seen during my research. So, it's an adaptive beauty tool that smooths and blends out makeup without the user having to exert too much effort. Um, this is great for people with tremors or joint pain. So, the one that we tried, the Flexi brush, worked pretty well, but it's expensive and I wish there were more out there that are just as good as that one.
Rosie Guerin: 接下来是另一个核心难点——看清自己在画什么。你前面提到也想为低视力人群寻找工具。在测试了各种视力辅助工具后,你对于什么样的化妆镜能真正帮到低视力人群有什么心得?
英文原文
Rosie Guerin: Um and then there's the challenge of actually being able to see what you're doing. You mentioned earlier that you wanted to find some tools for people who have low vision as well. So, you did test a bunch of different vision aids, but what did you learn about what makes a a makeup mirror, for example, genuinely useful for someone who does have low vision?
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 从测试员们的反馈中我学到了很多。大家都对 Fancii Vera 台式化妆镜(Fancii Vera vanity)赞不绝口。它之所以成为全场最爱,核心在于它能实现完全解放双手(hands-free),这是至关重要的功能。我们之前测试过带补光灯的手持镜,原本以为会很方便,但测试员立刻表示:“不行,我需要腾出双手来拿工具和化妆。”我们还测试了多倍率的调节眼镜,但反复摸索调试适合自己的屈光放大倍数实在太繁琐了。
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: I learned a lot through our testers and their feedback. So, they all loved the Fancii Vera vanity. It was really a favorite because it was hands-free and that is a really important feature. We tried things that were like a handheld mirror that had like lights on it and we thought that would be good and people were like, "No, I I need my hands to do things." Um, we also tried these glasses with different magnifications, but it was just too much of a hassle to find the magnification that worked best for you. And so people really love the fancy vanity mirror for that.
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 测试员们更青睐 Fancii 化妆镜的另一个原因是它配备了无级调光的 LED 环形灯,不仅可以调节冷暖色温,还能自由调节亮度明暗。
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: Our testers also preferred it because it had an adjustable LED light where you can adjust not only the warmth but the brightness.
Kyra Blackwell: 太喜欢这个设计了。
英文原文
Kyra Blackwell: Love. That was great.
Kyra Blackwell: 我猜它是稳稳立在桌面上的吧?
英文原文
Kyra Blackwell: And it it stands on your desk, I'm assuming. Yeah.
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 没错,稳立在桌面上。而且它还附带了一个小型磁吸放大镜,如果你需要超近距离看清眼部等细节部位,随时把它啪嗒一下吸附在大镜子上即可。
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: Yes, it stands on the desk. And it also comes with a smaller magnetic magnifying mirror that you can just plop onto the bigger one if you really need to get in there and see what you're doing close up.
Rosie Guerin: 它的名字叫 Fancii(精致),听起来就挺奢华的。那它的价格是不是也同样“精致奢华”?
英文原文
Rosie Guerin: The name is Fancii. It's called the Fancii mirror. Does it have a fancy price as well?
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 确实,这面镜子售价大约在 140 美元左右。不过我们拿它跟平价补光镜榜首进行了对比横评,测试员们依然一致倾向于 Fancii,因为它的最高亮度表现要优秀得多。
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: Yeah. So, this mirror cost about $140, but we did test this against our budget pick for lighted mirrors, and people just preferred this one because it does get brighter.
Kyra Blackwell: 明白了。既然聊到了价格和成本,我很想知道:整体而言,这些自适应与无障碍工具的价格是否普遍更贵?
英文原文
Kyra Blackwell: Okay. Since we're talking about cost and prices of these products, I was curious whether you noticed that these adaptive tools that they are on the whole more expensive.
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 其实并没有!我们精选榜单上的产品售价在 5 美元到 24 美元之间分布广泛,完全处于常规美妆工具的正常价格区间内,定价非常合理且具有可比性。
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: You know, I would say that they're not. And actually the products on our roundup range everywhere from $5 to $24, normal pricing like pretty commensurate pricing.
Rosie Guerin: 太感谢你今天做客我们的节目了,这期聊得非常开心!
英文原文
Rosie Guerin: Yeah, thank you so much for joining us. This was really fun.
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 谢谢你们的邀请!
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: Thanks for having me.
Kyra Blackwell: 再次祝贺你的报道顺利发布,内容非常棒!
英文原文
Kyra Blackwell: Congrats on the piece. It's really cool.
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: 谢谢大家!
英文原文
Ayanna Redwood-Crawford: Thank you.
Kyra Blackwell: 以上就是今天节目的全部内容。如果你想了解 Ayanna 今天推荐的任何产品,我们会在节目简介中附上所有产品链接以及她的完整指南链接。感谢大家的收听,我们下期再会!
英文原文
Kyra Blackwell: That's it for us for today. If you want to check out any of the products Ayanna recommended today, [music] we will link those in our show notes as well as a link to her guide. Thanks for joining us. Talk soon.
Rosie Guerin: 《The Wirecutter Show》执行制片人为 Rosie Guerin,制片人为 Abigail Keel。工程技术支持来自 Mattie Maziello 和 Nick Pitman。本期节目的音频混音由 Catherine Anderson 完成。原创音乐创作者包括 Dan Powell、Marian Lozano、Alicia Eup、Rowan Niemisto、Catherine Anderson 以及 Diane Wong。Cliff Levy 担任 Wirecutter 副出版人兼总经理。Ben Frumin 担任 Wirecutter 总编辑。我是 Kyra Blackwell。
英文原文
Rosie Guerin: The Wirecutter Show is executive produced by me, Rosie Guerin, and produced by Abigail Keel. Engineering support from Mattie Maziello, and Nick Pitman. Today's episode was mixed by Catherine Anderson. Original music by Dan Powell, Marian Lozano, Alicia Eup, Rowan Niemisto, Catherine Anderson, and Diane Wong. Cliff Levy is Wirecutter's deputy publisher and general manager. Ben Frumin is Wirecutter's editor-in-chief. I'm Kyra Blackwell.
Kyra Blackwell & Rosie Guerin: 我是 Rosie Guerin。感谢大家的收听!
英文原文
Kyra Blackwell & Rosie Guerin: And I'm Rosie Guerin. Thank you [music] for listening.