节目介绍与主题引入
Christine Sir Cleette: 我是 Christine Sir Cleette。
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Christine Sir Cleette: I'm Christine Sir Cleette.
Kyra Blackwell: 我是 Kyra Blackwell。
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Kyra Blackwell: I'm Kyra Blackwell.
Rosie Garin: 我是 Rosie Garin。
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Rosie Garin: I'm Rosie Garin.
Christine Sir Cleette: 你正在收听的是 Wire Cutter Show。
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Christine Sir Cleette: And you're listening to the Wire Cutter Show.
Rosie Garin: 嘿,我是 Rosie。去年春天,我们发布了一集关于过敏以及如何控制它们的非常有用的特别节目。剧透一下,现在又是花粉季节了,所以我们觉得可以重播一下。祝你们好运!
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Rosie Garin: Hey, it's Rosie. So, last spring we released this really helpful bonus episode about allergies and how to keep them in check. Spoiler alert, it's pollen season again, so we thought we'd reair it. Good luck out there, people.
Kyra Blackwell: 欢迎来到节目。今天,我们要做一期快速的特别节目,聊聊许多人目前正在困扰的事情——季节性过敏。因为气候变化,过敏季节正变得越来越长,而且确实越来越强烈。美国有四分之一的成年人患有过敏症。我从小就饱受季节性过敏的困扰,从我还是个很小的孩子起。有一种奇怪的对立感,你知道你对春天感到兴奋,你真的很期待春天的能量、更长的白天、鲜花盛开,但却难以感觉良好。
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Kyra Blackwell: Welcome to the show. Today, we're doing a quick bonus episode on something many people are currently struggling with, seasonal allergies. Because of climate change, allergy seasons are becoming longer, and they really are becoming more intense. One in four adults in the US suffer from allergies. I've been struggling with seasonal allergies for most of my life since I was a very very young kid. There's this odd juxtaposition that you know you're excited for spring and you're really looking forward to the the energy the longer days the blooms of the flowers but it's tough not to feel well.
Rosie Garin: 没错。如果你认为你必须为某些事物付出代价,比如你可能要为外面的美付出代价,这是因果报应。Kyra和我将与我们《纽约时报》的一位同事交谈,她一直在报道如果患有季节性过敏该怎么办。时报的健康记者Nina Agrial将加入我们,谈谈如何确定你是否患有过敏症,还是其他什么,因为有时确实会令人困惑,以及你应该了解的关于不同药物以及你可以使用的一些其他策略来对抗季节性过敏。是的,我们还将讨论Wire Cutter推荐的帮助减少家中花粉的方法。即使你无法控制在外面飞舞的花粉,你也可以做一些事情来改善你的室内空气质量。所以,我们将稍作休息,然后 Nina 就来了。马上回来。
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Rosie Garin: That's right. If you believe that you have to pay for things like maybe you're having to pay for the beauty outside karmically paying for it. Kyra and I are going to speak with one of our colleagues from the New York Times who's been reporting about what to do if you have seasonal allergies. Nina Agrial, a health reporter at the Times, is joining us to talk about how to determine if you're suffering from allergies or something else because sometimes it really can be confusing and what you should know about different medications and some of the other strategies you can use to combat seasonal allergies. Yeah, we'll also talk about what Wire Cutter recommends for helping reduce the pollen in your own home. And even if you can't control the pollen swarming around outside, you can do some things to improve your indoor air quality. So, we're going to take a quick break and then we'll be here with Nina. Be right back.
Kyra Blackwell: Nina,欢迎来到节目。
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Kyra Blackwell: Nina, welcome to the show.
Nina Agrial: 你好,谢谢你邀请我。
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Nina Agrial: Hi, thanks for having me.
Kyra Blackwell: 很高兴你能来。所以,很多人现在都在挣扎。这是过敏季节。我们已经经历了一段时间了。这可能从春天一直持续到夏末。而且过敏季节似乎一年比一年糟。这只是我的错觉,还是这是真的?
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Kyra Blackwell: It's great to have you. So, a lot of people are struggling right now. It's allergy season. We've been in allergy season for a little while now. This can really span from spring to the end of summer at this point. And it does seem like allergy season is just getting worse year after year. Is that just my imagination or is that true?
Nina Agrial: 不,实际上有数据显示过敏季节正在变长,花粉计数也在增加,而且一直如此。所以,全球变暖已导致过敏季节比过去提前约 20 天开始。
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Nina Agrial: No, there is actually data to show that the allergy seasons are getting longer and the pollen counts are increasing and they have been over time. So, global warming has caused the season to start about 20 days earlier than it used to.
Kyra Blackwell: 哎呀。
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Kyra Blackwell: Yikes.
Nina Agrial: 并且自 1990 年以来,全国范围内的花粉浓度已上升约 20%。德克萨斯州和中西部地区的增幅最大。
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Nina Agrial: And pollen concentrations have risen about 20% nationwide since 1990. Texas and the Midwest have seen the greatest increases.
Kyra Blackwell: 但这是为什么呢?我认为随着全球变暖,这意味着植物能够在季节早期繁盛,并在一年晚些时候也繁盛。而且它们也能够长得更大,并产生更多的花粉。
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Kyra Blackwell: But why is that? I think that with global warming, it means that the plants are able to flourish earlier in the season and flourish later in the year as well. And also they are able to grow bigger and produce more pollen per plant.
Nina Agrial: 所以,这差不多是过敏季节延长了一个月。
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Nina Agrial: So that's that's almost a month longer more of allergy season that's happening.
Rosie Garin: 是的。所以,当我与医生谈论这个问题时,你知道,有些医生长期以来一直在治疗过敏症。他们说,一位我采访过的,从事了几十年病人治疗的医生说,当他刚开始工作时,有过大约三个离散的过敏季节。春天 8 周,夏天 8 周,秋天 8 周,中间会有间歇期,但现在基本上是一个长期的季节。我的意思是,我确实有这种感觉,有时候现在很难分辨你是否患有过敏症,也许你感冒了,也许你得了 COVID。那么,一个人怎么知道自己是患有过敏症还是其他疾病呢?所以,一些症状确实是重叠的。但过敏症的关键往往是瘙痒。它会引起眼睛、鼻子、喉咙、嘴巴、甚至耳朵发痒。过敏症还会引起鼻塞、鼻后滴漏、咳嗽、喘息和呼吸短促。但如果你患有病毒感染,你可能会肌肉酸痛或关节疼痛或发烧,而过敏症不会。如果你通常在每年的同一时间出现症状,并且你家族史或你自己有过哮喘或湿疹,这些也可能是你患有过敏症的线索。我总是觉得我好像忘了自己有过敏症,然后它又出现了,我需要几天时间才能记起,哦,这可能不是感冒,这其实可能是过敏。那时我通常会想,我应该吃 Claritin 吗?如果怀疑自己有过敏症,服药是第一步吗?
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Rosie Garin: Yeah. And so when I spoke to physicians about this, you know, some have been treating allergies for a long time. And they said that one of the physicians I spoke to who has been treating patients for 40 years said that when he started there were kind of these three discrete allergy seasons. 8 weeks in the spring, 8 weeks in the summer, and 8 weeks in the fall, and you would get a break in between, but now it's kind of one long running season. I mean, I really do feel that like sometimes it's just hard these days to tell if maybe you have allergies, maybe you have a cold, maybe you have CO. So, how can somebody tell if they're suffering from allergies or it's something else? So, some of the symptoms are definitely overlapping. But the key thing with allergies often is itchiness. It can make the eyes, nose, throat, mouth, ears even itchy. Allergies can also cause congestion, post-nasal drip, coughing, wheezing, and shortness of breath. But if you have a viral infection, you might have muscle aches or joint aches or a fever that you wouldn't have with allergies. And if you typically see symptoms around the same time every year and if you have a family history or a history yourself of asthma or eczema, those could also be clues that you're having allergies. I always feel like I forget that I have allergies and then it comes up again and it takes me a few days to remember, oh, this isn't maybe a cold, it's actually maybe allergies. At which point I usually think, should I take a Claritin? Should taking a medication be the first step if you think you're having allergies?
Nina Agrial: 嗯,我认为这取决于你的症状有多严重,但大多数我采访过的专家都说,首先要尝试管理你的环境。你可以试着限制接触花粉。在花粉含量很高的日子里,你知道,你可以使用一些追踪器来查看花粉的水平有多高。所以,限制你的接触。同样,试着限制你在室内的接触,关好窗户。如果你在高花粉日外出,请戴好贴合度好的口罩。一回到家,就洗澡换衣服。让宠物远离你的卧室,或者当它们进入家中时,要清洗它们。如果你使用生理盐水喷雾或洗鼻器,这对很多人也有很大帮助。所以听众也可以回去听我们节目的第二集,了解如何保持你的室内空气质量清洁。在那一集中,我们详细讨论了使用空气净化器来减少颗粒物,以及使用高质量的真空吸尘器和其他清洁工具来减少灰尘,这有助于减少家中的花粉。所以,我们会在节目笔记中链接到那一集。Nina,我知道你今天来不是为了给我们提供医疗建议,但 um 我想稍微谈谈过敏药物,因为你对此做了很多报道。我有点被所有不同的过敏药物搞糊涂了。在你的一篇文章中,你详细介绍了鼻喷剂、抗组胺药和减充血剂之间的区别。所以,我想问你是否可以从鼻喷剂开始。人们在处理过敏时应该了解这些吗?
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Nina Agrial: Um, I think it depends on how severe your symptoms are, but most of the experts I spoke with said first try to manage your environment. You can just try to limit the exposure to pollen. On really high pollen count days, you know, there are trackers you can use to see how high the pollen levels are. So, limit your exposure. Also, try to limit your exposure inside, keeping your windows closed. If you go outside on those high pollen days, wearing a well-fitting mask. As soon as you get home, shower and change. Keep pets out of your bedroom or when they come into the home, wash them. And if you use a saline spray or a netty pot, that can also help a lot of people. So listeners can also go back and listen to our second episode of the show about how to keep your indoor air quality clean. In that episode, we talk a lot about using an air purifier to reduce particulate matter and using a high quality vacuum and other cleaning tools to just reduce dust, which can help reduce pollen in your home. So, we will link to that episode in the show notes. Nina, I know you did not come here today to give us medical advice, but um I would like to talk a little bit about medication for allergies because you've done a lot of reporting on this. I kind of get confused by all of the different allergy medications. In one of your pieces, you break down the differences between nasal sprays, antihistamines, and decongestants. So, I'm wondering if you could start with nasal sprays. What should people know about these when they're dealing with allergies?
Nina Agrial: 所以,鼻喷剂,比如你可能听说过的 Flonase,含有类固醇。它们被称为皮质类固醇。它们有助于减轻眼睛、鼻子、喉咙的炎症。但要让它们起作用,你必须提前服用它们,你知道,在你的症状出现前几天到一两周。然后,你知道,这样它们才能真正起效。所以,经常建议那些经常患季节性过敏的人,在他们通常开始出现症状前一两周就拿到处方药和/或非处方药并开始使用。而且要注意的是,尽管它们是类固醇,但它们不会像口服类固醇那样被全身吸收。所以它们被认为是低风险的。
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Nina Agrial: So, nasal sprays, like Flonace is one you might have heard of, um, contain a type of steroid. They're called corticosteroids. And these help reduce inflammation in the eyes, in the nose, in the throat. But for them to work, you have to start taking them, you know, a few days to a week or two before your symptoms hit. And, you know, so they can really kick in. So, a lot of times people who are regular seasonal allergy sufferers, physicians recommend that they get their prescription and or go get their over-the-counter drugs and start using them a week or two ahead of when they typically begin to experience symptoms. And just a note that even though they're steroids, they're not absorbed systemically like an oral steroid would be. So they're considered low risk.
Kyra Blackwell: 好的。所以你仍然可以参加奥运会,然后...
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Kyra Blackwell: Okay. So you can still do the Olympics and do do
Nina Agrial: 我不知道奥运会的政策是什么,但我想是的。是的。
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Nina Agrial: I don't know what the Olympic policy is, but I think so. Yes.
Kyra Blackwell: 好的。
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Kyra Blackwell: Okay.
Kyra Blackwell: 那么关于第二种,抗组胺药呢?我想这是很多人在过敏季节使用的。人们应该了解它们什么?
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Kyra Blackwell: So what about that second one, the antihistamines? I think this is what a lot of people use during allergy season. What should people know about these?
Nina Agrial: 对于有中度至重度过敏的人,医生通常推荐鼻喷剂。它们往往效果很好。但如果你是一个正在使用鼻喷剂的人,并且出现了爆发性症状,比如某一天特别糟糕,或者你偶尔有过敏症,那么抗组胺药有时就足够了,它们有助于控制瘙痒症状。所以那种瘙痒和炎症是由组胺引起的,这是一种你的免疫系统在被过敏原触发时释放的化学物质。而这些抗组胺药可以立即或很快起作用。
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Nina Agrial: For people who have moderate to severe allergies, doctors often recommend the nasal sprays. They tend to work really well. But if you're somebody who has is using a nasal spray and have a breakout symptoms where it's a really particularly bad day or you just occasionally have allergies, sometimes the antihistamines can be enough and they help manage the itchy symptoms. So that itchiness and inflammation is caused by histamine, a chemical that your immune system releases when triggered by an allergen. And these antihistamines can work kind of immediately or, you know, pretty quickly.
Kyra Blackwell: 那么你不建议某人每天服用吗?嗯,我想你得和你的医生谈谈什么最好。我知道很多过敏患者确实经常服用。
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Kyra Blackwell: So you wouldn't recommend that somebody take them on a daily basis? Um, I think you would have to talk to your doctor about what is the best. I know a lot of allergy sufferers do take them frequently,
Nina Agrial: 但有时如果你有类固醇,比如鼻用类固醇,然后有时用抗组胺药作为备用,你可以更好地控制。
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Nina Agrial: but sometimes you can manage it better if you have the steroid like the nasal steroid and then sometimes use the antihistamine as a like a backup.
Rosie Garin: 是的。有时医生说,如果你尝试了这些第二代抗组胺药中的一种,但它对你无效,那就试试另一种。
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Rosie Garin: Yeah. Sometimes doctors say if you try one of these second generation antihistamines and it's not working for you, try another.
Kyra Blackwell: 而且抗组胺药还有不同的几代,对吧?比如,我想我读过你的一篇文章,说第二代药物有Claritin、Zerek、Algra,但还有第一代抗组胺药,也就是Benadryl,你并不是说Benadryl有什么问题,对吧?
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Kyra Blackwell: And there are different sort of generations of antihistamines, right? Like I think I read in one of your pieces that the second generation are things like Claritin, Zerek, Algra, but then there's this first generation of antihistamines which is benadryil and you're not necessarily that there's some problems with benadryil, right?
Nina Agrial: 是的。我的意思是,很明显,它仍然可用,而且我认为被广泛使用,但很多医生,这是我在报道中听到的一些令人惊讶的事情,很多医生说他们会避开Benadryl,尤其是在老年患者中,因为它会导致意识模糊和嗜睡。你知道,有一些研究将长期使用Benadryl与痴呆症风险增加联系起来,但这些研究并非因果关系。但我们确实知道,使用Benadryl可能与意识模糊加剧有关,而第二代抗组胺药在这方面影响较小。
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Nina Agrial: Yeah. I mean, obviously, it's still available and I think widely used, but a lot of doctors, this was one of the surprising things I heard in my reporting, many doctors I spoke with really said they steer clear of benadryil, especially in older patients, because it can cause confusion um and drowsiness. You know, there's been some research linking prolonged long-term use of benadryil to an increased risk of dementia, but those studies weren't causational. And we do know though that the use of benadryil can be associated with increased confusion and the second generation antihistamines don't do that as much.
Kyra Blackwell: 好的。太好了。那么,人们应该了解减充血剂,这个第三类药物的什么呢?
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Kyra Blackwell: Okay. Great. Well, what should people know about decongestions that third category?
Nina Agrial: 是的。所以,一些抗组胺药,比如Claritin D和Algra D,它们与伪麻黄碱结合使用。医生说这些绝对不应该用于儿童。成人如果使用,也应该只使用几天,因为它们会增加心率和血压。
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Nina Agrial: Yeah. So, some antihistamines like Claritin D and Algra D that um come combined with pseudoedran pseudaped and doctors say these shouldn't be used in kids at all. Adults, if they do use them, should only use them for a few days at a time because they can increase heart rate and blood pressure.
Kyra Blackwell: 好的。所以,假设有人尝试了这些各种药物。他们就是得不到缓解。他们仍然流鼻涕,眼睛发痒,而且非常痛苦。他们还能做什么?所以,最终,你知道,如果你尝试了限制你所处环境的接触,并限制你在户外的接触,并尝试了这些各种短期药物,你可能会被转介给过敏专科医生,你可能会被考虑开始过敏注射。这些是过敏专科医生管理的注射,你知道,从非常小的剂量开始,然后逐渐增加你能够耐受的剂量。但它们不会让你在明天或这个季节就得到缓解。它们需要数年才能起作用。嗯,但它们的效果可以持续多年。
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Kyra Blackwell: Okay. So, let's say someone has tried these various medications. They're just not getting relief. They've still got the runny nose and the itchy eyes and they're just miserable. What is another thing that they could do? So ultimately, you know, if you've tried limiting exposure in your environment and limiting your outdoor exposure and tried these various kind of shorter term medications, you might be referred to an allergist and you would might have a talk about starting allergy shots. These are shots that allergists administer, you know, starting with a very small dose and then going progressively higher to sort of increase the amount that you're able to tolerate. But they're not something that's going to like give you relief tomorrow or this season. They take a number of years to work. Um, but they can have effects that last years as well.
Rosie Garin: 哇。所以,这就像是对你的过敏缓解的长期投资。
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Rosie Garin: Wow. So, it's like a long-term investment in your uh allergy relief.
Nina Agrial: 是的。
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Nina Agrial: Yeah.
Rosie Garin: 好的。
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Rosie Garin: Okay.
Rosie Garin: Nina Agaral,《时代》杂志的健康记者,非常感谢你今天加入我们。谢谢你邀请我。
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Rosie Garin: Nina Agaral, health reporter at the Times, thank you so much for joining us today. Thanks for having me.
Kyra Blackwell: 谢谢,Nina。
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Kyra Blackwell: Thanks, Nina.
Rosie Garin: 好的,Kyra,我们在这一集里讲了很多内容。所以,我只想简要回顾一下,为那些现在正饱受过敏困扰,并且想要一个简单的循序渐进的方法来处理这个问题的人。所以,第一道防线,减少你的花粉暴露。所以,这可能是,你知道,在户外戴口罩,然后真正关注你的室内空气质量。当花粉计数很高时,关上窗户,进屋时脱掉鞋子和衣服。可能要洗衣服,洗个澡,保持家里清洁。你可以使用空气净化器来减少颗粒物。使用好的吸尘器和其他工具,你知道,去除家具、地板上的花粉,所有这些好东西。
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Rosie Garin: Okay, Kyra, we covered a lot in this episode. So, I just want to briefly recap for listeners who are, you know, struggling with allergies right now and they just kind of want an easy step by step how to approach this problem. So, first line of defense, reduce your pollen exposure. So, that could be, you know, wearing a mask outside and then really thinking about your indoor air quality. When the pollen count is high, close your windows, take off your shoes and clothes when you come inside the house. probably wash your clothes, take a shower, and keep your home clean. You can use an air purifier to reduce particulate matter. Use a good vacuum cleaner and other tools to, you know, get the pollen off your furniture, off the floors, all of that good stuff.
Kyra Blackwell: 下一步是了解不同过敏药物的区别。当然,如果你有严重的症状,你会想和你的医生谈谈。我们在这里不提供医疗建议,所以你应该咨询你的医生。药物的主要类别是鼻喷剂,含有皮质类固醇的类型。抗组胺药,你会想使用第二代抗组胺药,比如 Zerek、Claritin 和 Algra。最好通常避开 Benadryl。减充血剂,比如 Claritin D 和 Algra D,要谨慎使用。你不想每天都用它们。嗯,如果你得不到缓解,那就是时候去看过敏专科医生了。你可能想考虑免疫疗法,比如过敏注射。
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Kyra Blackwell: The next step is to understand the differences between the different allergy medications. You're of course going to want to talk to your doctor if you're having really bad symptoms. We are not giving medical advice here, so you should consult your doctor. The main categories of medications are nasal sprays, the kind with corticosteroids in them. Antihistamines, and those you'll want to use second generation antihistamines like Zerek, Claritin, and Algra. Probably best to usually stay away from benadryil. Use the decongestants like Claritin D, and Algrad D sparingly. You don't want to use those every day. Um, and if you can't get relief, that is the time to talk to an allergist. you may want to explore having amunotherapy like allergy shots.
Rosie Garin: 如果你想了解更多关于 Wire Cutter 的报道,或者你想看看我们今天推荐的产品,请访问 ny times.com/wirecutter,或者在节目笔记中找到链接。我们今天就到这里。下周再见,非常感谢你的收听。拜拜。
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Rosie Garin: If you want to find out more about Wire Cutter's coverage or if you want to check out the products that we recommended today, go to ny times.com/wirecutter or find a link in the show notes. That's it for us. Till next week, thank you so much for listening. Bye bye.
📌 文中提及的人物和组织
人物: Nina Agrial
公司/组织: New York Times, Wire Cutter
产品/模型: Flonace, Claritin, Zerek, Algra, Benadryl, Claritin D, Algra D